You have to wonder, has Dr. Mann decided to pull a CYA in the face of Climategate, or is he just not cognizant of how ridiculous his statement is in the context of his past behavior?
Since “Climategate” Dr. Michael Mann has been on a nonstop media blitz. It seems he’s given dozens if not hundreds of interviews since the story broke on November 19th. It seem obvious that he’ll talk to anyone in an effort to get his point across. Up until this one interview, the message has been consistent with much of what he’s said and done in the past. That is, until this zinger.
In an interview given to The Morning Call, Dr. Mann was able to alienate both sides of the debate with a single sentence:
“I would call them contrarians or, frankly in some cases, climate change deniers,” he said. “I’m a skeptic. When I see a scientific claim being made, I want to see it subject to scrutiny and validation.”
Climatician, heal thyself. Start with a mirror.
Yet, while saying things like:
“I wish in retrospect I had told him, ‘Hey, you shouldn’t even be thinking about this,’” [reference to deleting emails]
… when his own work is subject to “scrutiny”, he has to resort to FTP data folders labeled “censored“. Look at what happens when that Mann “censored” data is used.
Here’s the complete interview transcript.
You know, The Daily Call only has one side of the story. They really should interview Steve McIntyre or Ross McKittrick next. Their contact page is helpful for such requests.
The media is not asleep, they’re part of the plot.
“I’m a skeptic. ….”
I want to be a Fireman or a Spaceman when I grow up.
Come now all,
You know he’s definitely a mann’s man.
Hmm, why does that seam like a contradiction of terms?
and besides, he’s got nothing else to do.
Enron leaders were toast.
They deprived stake holders of
“honest and best services”
Mann was nasty in
1 Refusing to respond to FOIA requests
2 Colluded to keep unfriendly articles from being printed or even peer reviewed
3 Cherry picked the proxies to support his hypothesis.
Mann could claim he’s a Unicorn if he wants. Nothing he says will change the facts, change his history/legacy, change the Hockey Stick, change the emails.
His best before date is past. He’s just doing the Duck & Cover thingy now.
I would like to see a debate: MM vs M&M
[And I don’t mean Marilyn Monroe vs Mork and Mindy]
Madmann Mann would then have to PUT UP or SHUT UP.
Can someone arrange this?
I think Charles cut someone’s reference to the “National Socialist Party” of Germany (1934-1945?)
I would beg to differ with the poster in making that comparison and saying that people acting in this manner “thought they were right”.
I recall a guard who beat Corrie Ten-Boom coming to her after the war and BEGGING forgiveness for his evil. I recalled a meeting between a British Colonel and a Japanese Captain who beat him mercilessly during WWII.
The Japanese Captain said, “Every time I hit the Colonel, I KNEW I was evil and he was rigtheous!”
I think we give Dr. Mann TOO MUCH SLACK in saying that “inside” he may not know what he does is “junk science”.
Keep the $$$ coming folks!
Max
Think about the worst things people have done, particularly in the name of “progress.” How many of those people thought they were doing the right thing?
Could it be… all of them?
“You can’t make an omelet without breaking some eggs.” — Uncle Joe Stalin
I agree that it is time for the 72 hour hold – for starters.
Maybe he has been eating off aluminum too long.
We need a strategic lawyer working for a foundation – the money has been squandered already on useless activities – so not enough is left for the greedy lawyers.
The M.D.’s should find some great experimental material with Mann.
First the Warmists co-opted the phrase “climate change” and now they’re coming after the “skeptic” label. All they need to do is redefine truth, facts, logic and honesty, and they will have spun themselves full circle…
Watch out for the six finger Mann.
“I’m a skeptic.”
Sure you are. And I am the king of Siam.
Mann: “Ich bin ein Skeptic”
Earth to Mann: “Right! – Pull the other one!”
Climate change deniers? This makes my head explode, no one denies climate changes. I want someone to ask if he would put a percentage on the possibility of cooling vs warming and have they studied the effects of possible cooling?
I’ve heard of the “Stockholm Syndrome”, but is there such a thing as the “Copenhagen Syndrome”?
Any time one of these rent-seeking scientists claims to be a skeptic, they should be asked to provide past documentation showing that they considered and researched other plausible reasons for their observations, such as natural climate variability. But no, it’s all alarmism, all the time. That’s where the government and NGO grant money goes. And skeptical scientists rarely get a dime of it.
On scientific skepticism:
Michael Mann is no scientific skeptic. He is a paid propagandist with the job of alarming the populace by selling catastrophic AGW. And he is very well compensated. For example, he just received a grant of a half-million dollars for… what, exactly? For going on a speaking tour?
From the beginning it has seemed to me that if anyone is going to be first to run for cover it will be Mann. He is a classic bully, with the concomitant attributes of running for cover when the going gets tough.
Listen carefully for someone in the Hockey Team shouting, “Mann overboard!”
Rick K (08:20:44, I prefer “Quote of the weak.”
Would a scientific skeptic write an email like this? :
Also, true skeptics are generally not this incompetent: click
duck season.
rabbit season.
The future playout of climate science direction depends almost solely on those who disburse the funds for grants. It is those people who will decide if people like Mann, Jone, and many others of the old guard CAGW will continue as they have before.
Mainly gov’ts, and some related NGO’s disburse the majority of grant funds. Have they changed their funding criteria since Climategate?
That is the main issue before us.
I see some change factors that should push the disbursers toward more balance in funding.
But this needs to be a main focus for anyone wanting more balance in climate science going forward.
John
In the grocery store yesterday Discover had a pair of interviews looking at both sides of the debate. Mann was one, Judith Curry was the other. Now, I have no substantial complaint with Judith Curry, in fact I might send her a thank you note for her efforts calming down the rhetoric, but Mann + Curry is nowhere near balanced, and certainly not enough to make it worth sending some profit to Discover.
IIRC, Mann claimed in it he discovered the AMO, my poking around led to Richard A Kerr [Kerr 2000] in http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/288/5473/1984 (I don’t have a subscription, my siblings do (or did), I may check with them.
What role did Mann have in defining the AMO?
Well, when you have patronizing boobs like this one claiming that we are just too stupid and that democracy is a major problem having influence on government policy, is it any wonder we come to situations like this?
Globally respected by whom?
The actual MANNifest:
A complete abandonment of fossil fuels within the next 30 years, which must include
specific milestones for every 5-year period. We demand an immediate cut in GHG of
industrialized countries of at least 40% compared to 1990 levels by 2020.
• Recognition, payment and compensation of climate debt for the overconsumption of
atmospheric space and adverse effects of climate change on all affected groups and people.
• A rejection of purely market-oriented and technology-centred false and dangerous solutions
such as nuclear energy, agro-fuels, carbon capture and storage, Clean Development Mechanisms, biochar, genetically “climate-readied” crops, geo-engineering, and reducing emissions from deforestation and forest degradation (REDD), which deepens social and environmental conflicts.
• Real solutions to climate crisis based on safe, clean, renewable, and sustainable use of natural resources, as well as transitions to food, energy, land, and water sovereignty.
http://www.klimaforum09.org/IMG/pdf/A_People_s_Declaration_from_Klimaforum09_-_ultimate_version.pdf
A Mann for one season (summer)