Why Joe Bastardi sees red: A look at Sea Ice and GISTEMP and starting choices

AcuuWeather meteorologist Joe Bastardi has a question about two datasets and asks: If it is darn warm, how come there is so much sea ice?

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Bastardi asks a simple question: how can we have above normal temperatures in the Arctic and the Antarctic and continue to add to the global sea ice trend? After all we’ve been told by media stories that both the Arctic and the Antarctic continue to melt at a frenetic pace. But it looks like this year we’ll see another Arctic recovery as we’ve seen in 2008 and 2009.

Bastardi also wonders about something we routinely ask about here at WUWT: data adjustments. GISS seems to be stuck with Arctic positive anomaly, yet the sea ice isn’t cooperating. Of course just having a positive temperature anomaly doesn’t guarantee melt, but members of the public who are less discerning, who look at red hot color presentations like GISS puts out, usually can’t tell the difference.

For reference here are the images Joe uses in his presentation. I’m going to help out a bit too with some simple comparisons.

First The GISS Dec-Feb 2010 Global Surface Anomaly as Joe presents it in his video:

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Source: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2010&month_last=2&sat=4&sst=0&type=anoms&mean_gen=1203&year1=2010&year2=2010&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=1200&pol=reg

Note that in the warmest places in the Arctic according to GISS, there are few if any land thermometers:

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Above: map of GHCN2 land stations (thanks to commenter Carrick at Lucia’s)

Note the cross section of the GISS data, most of the warmth is at the Arctic where there are no thermometers. The Antarctic comes in a close second, though it has a few thermometers at bases on the perimeter of the continent plus a couple at and near the center. Note the flat plateaus are each pole.

The effects of interpolation become clearer when you do a 250 km map instead of 1200 km:

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Source: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2010&month_last=2&sat=4&sst=0&type=anoms&mean_gen=1203&year1=2010&year2=2010&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=250&pol=reg

All of the sudden, the hot Arctic disappears. It disappears because there are no thermometers there as demonstrated by the cross section image which stops at about 80N.

Interestingly, the global surface anomaly also drops, from 0.80°C at 1200km of interpolation to 0.77°C with an interpolation of 250km.

One of the things that I and many other people criticize GISS for is the use of the 1951-1980 base period which they adopted as their “standard” base period. That period encompasses a lot of cool years, so anomalies plotted against that base period will tend to look warmer.

This famous GISS graph of surface temperatures from weather stations, shown worldwide in media outlets, is based on the 1951-1980 period:

Uncertainty bars (95% confidence limits) are shown for both the annual and five-year means, account only for incomplete spatial sampling of data.”]GISS doesn’t provide a utility to replot the graph above with a different base period on their webpage here http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/ but I can demonstrate what would happen to the GISS global maps using a different base period by using their plot selector here http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/maps/

Watch what happens when we use the same base period as the UAH satellite data, which is 1979-2009. The 1200km interpolated global temperature anomaly for Dec-Jan-Feb 2010 drops more than half to 0.38°C from 0.80°C. That number is not so alarming now is it? As for the graphic,  the flaming red is still there in the same places because the anomaly map colors always stay the same, no matter what the absolute temperature scale is. In the first map with the 1951-1980 base period, the max positive anomaly was 6.4°C for 1200km and  8.8°C  for 250km, while in the one below with the 1979-2009 base period the max positive anomaly of 7.1C  If colors were assigned to absolute temperatures, this map would look cooler than it’s counterpart with the 1951-1980 base period.

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Source: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2010&month_last=2&sat=4&sst=0&type=anoms&mean_gen=1203&year1=2010&year2=2010&base1=1979&base2=2009&radius=1200&pol=reg

And here’s the 250km presentation, note that the global surface temp drops to 0.34°C

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Source: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2010&month_last=2&sat=4&sst=0&type=anoms&mean_gen=1203&year1=2010&year2=2010&base1=1979&base2=2009&radius=250&pol=reg

So it is clear, with the GISS anomaly presentation, you can look at it many different ways, and get many different answers. Who decides then which maps and graphs with what base periods and interpolations get sent out in press releases? Jim? Gavin?, Reto? Consensus over coffee at Monks?

The answer as to what base period GISS chooses in temperature anomaly maps to present to the public is easily answered by looking at their main page here: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

Here’s a thumbnail of the page, and the full size version of the second graph from the top, note the caption on the top of the graph:

Clearly, they prefer the base period of 1951-1980 as the default base period for the public presentation [as well as 1200 km smoothing]  and by choosing that, the GISS results look a lot more alarming than they might be if a different base period was used, such as the 1979-2009 period used by UAH and RSS.

Anomalies can show anything you want based of choosing the base period. For example, a simple thought experiment. I could choose a base period from 11,000 years ago, during the last ice age, and plot maps and graphs of today’s temperatures against that base period. Would we see red? You betcha.

Here’s a graph that shows reconstructed northern hemisphere temps at the end of the last ice age 11k years ago, they were about 4.5°C cooler than today. Granted it’s not a global temp, but close enough for government work.

So if I used a 30 year slice of temperature 11,000 years before the present as a baseline period, our GISTEMP map would look something like this:

Obviously the map above is not an accurate representation, just a visual guesstimate. The more excitable who frequent here will likely cry foul at my abuse of the image. But it does illustrate how choices of colors and baseline periods can have a distinct effect on the final visual. Using a cold baseline period in the past (in this case 4.5°C globally cooler than the present) makes the present look broiling hot.

Anomalies are all about the starting choices made by people. Nature doesn’t give a hoot about anomalies. Generally, people don’t either. Imagine if your local TV weather forecaster gave tomorrow’s forecast in anomalies rather than absolute temperatures. He might say something like:

It’s going to be a hot one folks! Tomorrow we’ll have a high temperature that is 0.8C warmer than the 1951-1980 historical baseline for this city. Dress accordingly.

Useful isn’t it? Even more useful if he’s the weatherman in Svalbaard and people anticipating a heat wave go out in shorts and tank tops in mid February.

While anomalies are fine for illustrating many things, including temperature, bear in mind it’s all about the starting conditions chosen by the individuals doing the analysis. It’s all about choosing a baseline “normal”, which is subjective.

So when Joe Bastardi looks at the GISS map of the world, sees red, and wonders why we have a growing ice presence, the answer is in the choice of baseline and the choice of colors used to calculate and represent the anomaly.

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savethesharks
March 23, 2010 10:45 pm

Grrr. Well done again!
I love this quote: “Anomalies are all about the starting choices made by people. Nature doesn’t give a hoot about anomalies.”
YES!
And also Nature tends to correct her wayward children anomaly brats by balancing them out towards equilibrium.
You are on to something: A moving baseline is like a moving set of goalposts.
They are both on the move…and they both do no represent scientific reality.
Imagine if, at Yankee Stadium, after every pitch, home base was randomly picked up and moved to another part of the field. The pitcher would have to aim for the new “target”….but the batter is not there, nor is the catcher, nor are the other positions adjusted….and the umpire is trying to call the shots from where he was.
Total pandemonium.
A moving baseline is no different.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

debreuil
March 23, 2010 10:46 pm

I would guess if you take the smallish fluctuations in temp in this era, and compare how that affects ice mass vs things like snowfall, ice drift (to warmer water), and calving it would be insignificant. The graphs are obviously slanted, but the real BS its that the ice mass follows temp.
Its not that temp has no effect, but below zero you get no melting, which is most to all of the year on both polar areas. Far below zero and you get no snow either (which is why the south pole isn’t under 10 miles of ice). Most people live in areas that is ‘cold enough to snow’ is about as cold as it gets, so they assume colder is snowier all the way down.

HumanityRules
March 23, 2010 10:46 pm

This seems very weak.
You can complain about colour schemes and so forth but it’s trends that matter and I think you know that.

p.g.sharrow "PG"
March 23, 2010 10:50 pm

The snow line, whether latitude or altitude is the best climate change measurement.
The tree line is the best proxy for improved or degrade of the climate.
Thermometer readings are a very poor measurement of energy in the system. Most of them are poorly sited, and inconsistantly read.
Base line temperatures of 20 to 30 years is totally worthless as a climate forecast tool in a system that has 6o+ year short cycles. Ether climate science people think we are stupid or they are.

savethesharks
March 23, 2010 10:55 pm

HumanityRules (22:46:58) :
“Weak” on a scale of logic on what planet and in what universe?
The only thing that is weak is your attempting to broad-brush and gloss over what has been exposed here on this post.
Res ipsa loquiter.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Doug in Seattle
March 23, 2010 10:56 pm

If Bastardi’s spring snow storm in the east comes as he predicts, I expect we’ll hear some more interesting bleating from usual suspects about global warming and snow.

nc
March 23, 2010 11:00 pm

HumanityRules (22:46:58) : Yes but it depends on where the trend starts and how much of a trend.

savethesharks
March 23, 2010 11:06 pm

Bastardi is one of the more clairvoyant long-range meteorologists out there…I doubt very seriously you [HumanityRules] would be able to win in a debate with him.
I have been following the guy for years and an am Accuweather pro member.
Bastardi wears his forecasts on the sleeves…and pulls no punches when it comes to “spin” when he sees it [And I man not talking about the cyclonic kind of spin].
So it is no surprise when Bastardi raises questions about GISS….not unlike any other “rogue” scientists out there like Spencer, Lindzen and Christy.
Or Bill Gray…
Would love to see them in debate with Hansen, Schmidt, Santer and company.
It would be a classic.
The truth would come out…very quickly.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USa

March 23, 2010 11:13 pm

This is exactly how they misrepresent the Antarctic temperatures.
In Chapman’s paper (http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/Antarctic.paper.chapwalsh.2005.pdf ) he honestly states” Trends calculated using a starting date prior to 1965 have positive trends for land-only, ocean-only, and total area. Starting dates of 1966-1982 show negative trends for the Antarctic land-only grid points with mixed results for ocean-only and total area.”
If you want to make Antartica appear as if its warming then do as as Steig et al and Nature did, choose a trend from the cooler period in the 1950’s.
But if you are really sincere about understanding climate, then they really have to ask “why has Antarctic cooled since the 60’s despite the ever increasing levels of CO2”? Why is Antarctic sea ice increasing? But like Steig’s paper they “hide the decline”

John F. Hultquist
March 23, 2010 11:15 pm

The use of 1951 through 1980, once appropriately defined, is now archaic. The justification would be interesting to see. Since about 1935 these 30 year periods have been used, and moved every 10 years.
A couple of times last year I pointed out that the apparently contrived effort (by the usual suspects) to show (a) how Earth has warmed, and (b) recent decades are the warmest ever — will return to haunt these folks. The mean is a tricky little number skewed by the outliers. They call it average or normal but the standard thing to do is to use the mean of a 30 year period with the last year ending in zero. We are here. 2010. Next year should see the use of this new period as the normal. They have made it high, now we will see what they can do to keep their anomalies above average. They will need to take direction from the children of Lake Wobegon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Wobegon#The_Lake_Wobegon_effect
Did I mention this posting is impressive. Thanks, Joe, Anthony

paullm
March 23, 2010 11:15 pm

HumanityRules (22:46:58)
Pick your trends carefully. Whichever fits your wishes best, eh? Whatever.
To be able to debate this forever it’d be best that we build enough nukes to get us through whatever fluctuations and calamities are in store for us and to get some of us off this very interesting home planet. That way we can cut the chances down of all of us being eliminated at one time.

March 23, 2010 11:22 pm

I have wondered about the GISS and others use of baseline anomalies for a while. It struck me that you could do an anomaly calculation by adding a given station to itself. Here is an example with purely made up numbers:
Year 1 Dec average temp = 10C
Year 2 Dec average temp = 8C
Year 3 Dec average temp = 12C
anomaly = 12-(10+8+12/3)=2C
Year 4 Dec average temp = 7C
anomaly = 7-(10+8+12+7/4) = -2.25C
and so on.
The advantage of this rather simplistic method is that you would consistently measure like with like. The same thermometer, the same station, would be used. And you would compare the same months over and over, year on year.
Now, no doubt I have made a huge howling mistake but it would be interesting to know what it is.

John F. Hultquist
March 23, 2010 11:23 pm

I need to add this to the comment I made earlier:
“Climatologists define a climatic normal as the arithmetic average of a climate element such as temperature over a prescribed 30-year interval. The 30 year interval was selected by international agreement, based on the recommendations of the International Meteorological Conference in Warsaw in 1933. The 30 year interval is sufficiently long to filter out many of the short-term interannual fluctuations and anomalies, but sufficiently short so as to be used to reflect longer term climatic trends. Currently, the 30-year interval for calculating normals extends from 1971 to 2000.”
http://www.aos.wisc.edu/~sco/normals.html
Also, here: http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/26747.pdf

HumanityRules
March 23, 2010 11:25 pm

I’m not unsympathetic to a critical look at IPCC politico-science. The previous Loehle article is more challenging. This just looks more like a PR exercise than science. But hey what do I know.

Richard Sharpe
March 23, 2010 11:25 pm
Paul Vaughan
March 23, 2010 11:28 pm

savethesharks (22:45:20)
“You are on to something: A moving baseline is like a moving set of goalposts.
They are both on the move…and they both do no represent scientific reality.
Imagine if, at Yankee Stadium, after every pitch, home base was randomly picked up and moved to another part of the field. The pitcher would have to aim for the new “target”….but the batter is not there, nor is the catcher, nor are the other positions adjusted….and the umpire is trying to call the shots from where he was.
Total pandemonium.
A moving baseline is no different.”

Hilarious Chris – AND TRUE.

baahumbug
March 23, 2010 11:36 pm

Re: HumanityRules (Mar 23 22:46),

This seems very weak.
You can complain about colour schemes and so forth but it’s trends that matter and I think you know that

And taking a measly 30 years from the current geological time of millions of years and pretending that that means anything usefull is very weak. And taking the last 100 or even 200 years from the same millions is very weak.
And you know that.
(current geological time as in the current geographical positons of the continents)

F. Ross
March 23, 2010 11:40 pm

(emphasis mine)

HumanityRules (22:46:58) :
This seems very weak.
You can complain about colour schemes and so forth but it’s trends that matter and I think you know that.

Trends? Over what period of time? That’s the whole point.
And most people have an instinct for “hot” and “cold” colors – red is NOT a cold color and should not be used to represent anomalies of temperature hovering around 0°C and lower. Ever hear the phrases “red hot” or “ice blue”?

pft
March 23, 2010 11:42 pm

debreuil (22:46:02)
You are right.
The sea ice was not disappearing only because it was melting, it was mainly due to ocean currents and wind patterns. Of course, some melts in the summer when temps get above normal, but It’s still pretty darn cold in the Arctic, even if temperatures are above normal, and most of the year it is cold enough to freeze (unless the currents bring water thats too warm, or the wind carries the ice to warmer waters/temps).

oakgeo
March 23, 2010 11:42 pm

“…, the answer is in the choice of baseline and the choice of colors used to calculate and represent the anomaly.”
Its framing the argument as per Ehrlich, Schneider and others. GISS and Hansen have always framed the argument in a biased way… remember the date selection and non-functioning A/C in his 1988 congressional testominy.

Layne Blanchard
March 24, 2010 12:02 am

Note also the shading on those colors. Red goes to a very deep shade, but the purple? …. not so much. Just like the chosen vertical scale on the GMT chart…. It’s all about the presentation.

pat
March 24, 2010 12:05 am

This is such a telling tape. WE ARE BEING HAD BY THE GOVERNMENT. The USA, Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and others, simply refuse to supply raw data because they know it does not conform to the Hypothesis of AGW. It is fraud.

Layne Blanchard
March 24, 2010 12:08 am

BTW, -35C + 7C anomaly is still quite chilly. No ice melting there.

rbateman
March 24, 2010 12:23 am

HumanityRules (22:46:58) :
These Raw Data Trends are for you
http://www.robertb.darkhorizons.org/WhatGlobalWarming.htm
Color them with any scheme you like.
The Raw Data is still more about long term cycles than trends.

March 24, 2010 12:25 am

But! The Arctic mid-troposphere WAS relatively warm also according to UAH
http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/itlt_0-360E_66-90N_na.png
SST has a bigger effect on ice formation and it is on the level of 1990
http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/ihadsst2_0-360E_66-90N_n_1979:2011a.png
However the ice looks healthy and compact and that counts
http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=03&fd=23&fy=2007&sm=03&sd=23&sy=2010

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