IOP issued a no holds barred statement on Climategate to the UK Parliamentary Committee.
Some criticism ensued. Now IOP fires back:
Concerns raised over Institute of Physics climate submission
A statement submitted by the Institute of Physics (IOP) to a parliamentary inquiry on climate change continues to draw criticism, with one senior physicist saying that it is “not worthy” of the organization. Others have complained that the statement appears to play into the hands of climate “sceptics”, as it criticizes scientists for withholding climate data when requested using the UK’s Freedom of Information Act. The IOP, which owns the company that publishes physicsworld.com, has responded by making it clear that it believes in man-made climate change and that its submission was criticizing instead the practices of the climate scientists at the centre of the inquiry.
The IOP’s submission was sent last month to a House of Commons Science and Technology Committee inquiry into the disclosure of climate data from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia in the UK. The inquiry is investigating the alleged hacking of CRU servers, which resulted in hundreds of private e-mails between researchers over the last 14 years being disclosed online last November. The inquiry solicited responses about what possible implications the e-mail disclosures might have for the integrity of scientific research and whether the scope of a separate independent inquiry – led by Muir Russell, a former vice-chancellor of the University of Glasgow – into the CRU’s practices is adequate.
Some of the e-mails reveal that CRU director Phil Jones, who has since stepped down from the post until the Russell review is published, withheld data from being released even after freedom-of-information requests. One particular e-mail sent by Jones on 16 November 1999 caused a media furore when it was revealed that he wrote “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.”
The [IOP’s] evidence is both misinformed and misguided Stefan Rahmstorf, Potsdam University
“Mike’s Nature trick” refers to a paper published in the journal Nature (392 779) in 1998 by Michael Mann from Pennsylvania State University, Raymond Bradley from the University of Massachusetts Amherst and Malcolm Hughes of the University of Arizona. In the paper, the researchers sought to estimate how the mean temperature of the northern hemisphere has changed over the past millennium by combining various “proxy” temperature records, such as the diameter of tree rings and the presence of hydrogen and oxygen isotopes in ice cores, with thermometer temperature measurements.
[We] focused on the need to maintain the integrity, openness and unbiased nature of the scientific process IOP statement
The resulting “hockey stick” plot shows a relatively flat, but fluctuating, temperature for more than 900 years, from A D 1000 onwards (the shaft of the hockey stick) that then rises suddenly in the past 100 years (the blade). The hockey-stick graph, which is widely considered as a valid result in the climate-research community, was later included into the third assessment report by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in 2001.
The “trick”, as mentioned by Jones in one of his e-mails to Mann, Bradley and Hughes, is a statistical method that is widely accepted in the climate community and is applied to proxy measurements in the years since 1960. It deals with the problem that some tree rings in certain parts of the world have stopped getting bigger since that time, when they ought to have been increasing in size if the world is warming. According to physicist Rasmus Benestad from the Norwegian Meteorological Institute and a blogger for realclimate.org, Jones’ reference to “hiding the decline” could have involved removing some tree-ring proxy data from the analysis after 1960 to produce a curve that agrees better with the evidence for global warming.
However, sceptics of man-made climate change jumped on the phrase used by Jones saying that he and the CRU were hiding temperature decreases in their data and using certain sections of the full data set that most support the conclusions they want to report.
Under fire
The IOP’s submission to the inquiry, which was sent on 10 February following approval by the Institute’s Science Board, says that the disclosed e-mails from the CRU threaten the “integrity of scientific research in this field”. The submission argues that the integrity of the scientific process should not have to depend on appeals to freedom-of-information legislation and says that refusals to comply with such requests harm “honourable scientific traditions”. It also states that the possibility that only a part of the raw data set was included in Jones’ temperature reconstructions was “evidently the reason behind some of the (rejected) requests for further information”.
Arnold Wolfendale, who was president of the IOP from 1994 to 1996, says that the evidence is “not worthy” of the Institute and that the submission “further muddies the waters regarding global warming”. Oceanographer and climatologist Stefan Rahmstorf from Potsdam University, Germany, has gone further, calling on the IOP to retract the statement from parliament. “I was taken aback when I first read it,” he says. “The evidence is both misinformed and misguided.” Rahmstorf, who is a board member of Environmental Research Letters (ERL), an open-access journal published by the IOP, wants the Institute to withdraw the evidence or clarify who wrote and reviewed it.
In a statement, the IOP says it regrets that its submission to the inquiry has become the focus of what it calls “extraordinary media hype” and that the evidence “has been interpreted by some individuals to imply that the IOP does not support the scientific evidence that the rising concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is contributing to global warming”. The Institute adds that it has long had a “clear” position on global warming, namely that “there is no doubt that climate change is happening, that it is linked to man-made emissions of greenhouse gases, and that we should be taking action to address it now”.
The Institute says that its evidence to the House of Commons committee was “like that of other learned societies, focused on the need to maintain the integrity, openness and unbiased nature of the scientific process. The key points it makes are ones to which we are deeply committed – that science should be communicated openly and reviewed in an unbiased way, however much we sympathise with the way in which CRU researchers have been confronted with hostile requests for information.”
There have also been concerns that the IOP’s submission appears to prejudge the outcome of the inquiry. “I consider it not only inappropriate but highly irresponsible for a body like the IOP to appear to presume a judgment on what is clearly not a simple issue without having the full facts and without presumably knowing the full context,” says atmospheric physicist John Houghton, who is currently president of the educational charity The John Ray Initiative and is a former director-general of the UK Meteorological Office. Houghton has also been the lead editor of three IPCC reports.
That view is echoed by Andy Russell, a climate researcher from the University of Manchester in the UK, who has written an open letter to the Institute about the submission. “As it stands, they have written a judgment rather than an evidence statement,” he says. Russell calls on the Institute to retract its evidence and points to a statement by the Royal Society of Chemistry (RSC) that, he says, essentially makes the same points as the IOP but in what he calls a much more diplomatic way. One statement in the RSC’s submission says, for example, that “a lack of willingness to disseminate scientific information may infer that the scientific results or methods used are not robust enough to face scrutiny, even if this conjecture is not well founded”.
Process issues
Benestad, however, does not think that the Institute should retract the evidence to the inquiry, although he wants more transparency about how it submitted the evidence. “I thought the evidence sent the wrong message. Transparency should be the same for all sciences and not just single out climate change,” says Benestad. “Regarding being more open about how the submission was written, the IOP should practise what it preaches and say how this was submitted.” He wants it to be made clear who specifically wrote the document, as well as who independently checked it before it was submitted.
In its statement, the Institute says that the evidence submitted to parliament followed “the process we always use for agreeing documents of this kind”, noting that it submits 40 to 50 evidence statements to parliamentary inquiries per year. “We asked the energy sub-group of our Science Board to prepare the evidence, based on its analysis of material that is in the public domain following the hacking of the CRU e-mails last year,” says the IOP. “The draft was circulated to the Science Board, which is a formal committee of the Institute with delegated authority from its trustees to oversee its policy work, and approved. However, we are already reviewing our consultation process for preparing policy submissions, and the comments we have received on this submission reinforce the need to make sure our procedures are as robust as possible.”
The Institute also says it “strongly rebuts” accusations of “being overly influenced by one ‘climate-change sceptic’ on the energy sub-group, and then of a lack of openness about the authorship of our evidence”. It adds that “The individual in question had no significant influence on the preparation of the evidence. Responsibility for the evidence rests with our Science Board, whose members’ names are openly available on our website.”
The parliamentary inquiry came as the UK’s Meteorological Office published a review of the latest climate-change science. The report says it is “very likely” that man-made greenhouse-gas emissions are causing the climate to change and that the changes bear the “fingerprint” of human influence. The House of Commons Science and Technology Committee is expected to publish its findings in late April.
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Maybe what needs to happen is that the countries of Europe, along with Great Britain, accept AGW completely, become carbon-less societies, and watch what happens. At the same time, mass exodus from those countries cannot be allowed, as that would polute other countries with masses whose thought process would cause the destruction of even more countries.
No, let them go for it. See if they survive the collapse of countries that were once great.
Climate scientist square off against physicists?? Sorry, this song has been running through my mind all day….
If a drug company tried to get a product on the market using the kind of sloppy, poorly documented, make-it-up-as-you-go-along, retrofit and then lie about it, etc., methods that the “climate science community” has plainly used over and over again, their executives would be broke at best, and quite possibly in jail. The most disturbing part of this story is how thoroughly fundamental principles of science have been perverted in the name of this myth. Remember the Newsweek reporter commenting on the Duke rape case, in which the district attorney continued to pursue prosecution after he knew the charges were false: “The narrative was correct but the facts were wrong.”
The alarmists don’t really care about facts, they care about narrative and what it can do to increase their power. They won’t go away without a serious fight, because they don’t care about the truth and will not quit until they’re made to quit.
The IoP’s submission to Parliament was right on the money. It was a clear statement of scientific method as it applied to the work of Mann, Jones, and their fellows. The objections to the IoP’s submission have nothing to say about scientific method. All of them are political objections. They change the topic from scientific method to advocacy. In the heated, nay hysterical, climate of these times even the IoP is made to bow to the sacred cow of global warming. What rubbish. To achieve the utter silliness of AGW advocates one would have to find something like a historical record of a panic caused by fears that the Ether had caught fire and would consume the entire universe.
Theo Goodwin (21:28:16) :
” To achieve the utter silliness of AGW advocates one would have to find something like a historical record of a panic caused by fears that the Ether had caught fire and would consume the entire universe.”
Not quite! In my field (public health), we do this all the time. Remember all the panic regarding the worldwide pandemic from H5N1 avian influenza (“bird flu”)? Don’t hear squat about bird flu, do we?
When the latest H1N1 flu broke out, I had colleagues who totally freaked and thought it was the return of the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic. They were stockpiling anti-virals etc.
However, public health rarely has a chance to re-align the world’s economy and transfer wealth, as is the case with the AGW scenario. I’ll have to suggest that to the virologists some time….
The IOP has its’ own Fakers to protect as some of its’ foundations are built on fudged data. In the world of physics, experiments cost millions to conduct and are designed to yield the result needed to justify the cost. The setup is run many times to develop the data and then the setup is dismantled and not likely ever to be done again.
The IOP is not upset that the CRU was fudging the data, they are upset that the CRU got caught and is it being made public.
All fields have a problem with fakers but generally they are “hung” if caught, End of problem. To cover it up just makes the cleanup harder and regaining public trust more difficult.
Anticlimactic (16:26:34) : “I am not sure at which point alarmists will accept they are wrong. I suspect it will be when an ice sheet covers most of the northern hemisphere!”
Nope. They’ll be “Johnny one-notes” until we cut off their funding. Canada could be under 100 feet of ice, and alarmists would still spew their pseudoscience.
“Rahmstorf, who is a board member of Environmental Research Letters (ERL), an open-access journal published by the IOP”.
I think it is unacceptable that Mr. Rahmstorf is still a board member and possibly reviewing articles in a respected journal before allegations against him have been investigated.
see for example
http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/01/opportunism-and-the-models/
http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/03/the-secret-of-the-rahmstorf-non-linear-trend/
http://climateaudit.org/2009/07/08/rahmstorf-et-al-reject-ipcc-procedure/
As a much earlier poster noted, one should really read the comments following the original post from physicsworld-dot-com. It didn’t take long before the whole army of alarmists descended on their website. A plurality, if not a majority, of the posts carried links to RealClimate. Even Eli Babbet chipped in with remarks to find and expose the “skeptic” that he has assumed must have been responsible for the IoP’s initial message to Parliament. It would seem that the “Chicago Way” is gaining favor with the community of proponents, and scapegoating their opponents is one of their tools of the trade.
It also seemed apparent that most of the other mostly non-committed (re AGW) posters had no idea of the objectivity or lack thereof of the RC connection. It was also apparent that the AGW counter-attack is underway in full force. The IoP’s slavish endorsement of AGW was an exercise in overt obsequiousness that in effect tacitly declared the science itself irrelevant.
One needs to look no further for an example of the power of money to corrupt
Norman “I can only conclude (and perhaps indirectly) that the “greenhouse effect” is a fairly small effect when compared to the effect of clouds.”
Cliamate forecasters, simply don’t seem to understand clouds dramatically affect temperature. Everyone who has seen frost after a cloudless night, knows the dramatic affect of clood cover. So, it really is incredible that they keep reporting: CO2 and “water vapour” and totally ignore the effect of cloud cover. To give you an idea of the difference, I used a cheap IR thermometer, and on a cloudy night it read around 4C, but on a cloudless night/day it read around -35-?? (below lowest reading which is -40C).
” science should be communicated openly and reviewed in an unbiased way, however much we sympathise with the way in which CRU researchers have been confronted with hostile requests for information.”
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Speaking of hostile requests, the University of East Anglia received 58 FOI requests of similar nature asking for details on confidentiality agreements with different countries, many of which were identical except for the specific countries mentioned. Apparently, this was an organized effort, but the following rather amusing request was from a participant who failed to follow instructions:
I hereby make a EIR/FOI request in respect to any confidentiality agreements)restricting transmission of CRUTEM data to non-academics involing the following countries: [insert 5 or so countries that are different from ones already requested1]
1. the date of any applicable confidentiality agreements; 2. the parties to such confidentiality agreement, including the full name of any organization; 3. a copy of the section of the confidentiality agreement that “prevents further transmission to non-academics”. 4. a copy of the entire confidentiality agreement.
The 58 FOI requests can be seen at —
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/25032/response/66822/attach/2/Respons
IOP blog Comment 69 contans a common half-truth put around by catastrophic AGW proponents.
John Mashey gives the “oh-so-simple physics” account of AGW and adds this challenge:
“To reject AGW, one must reject at least one, maybe two of:
a) All that is known about the absorption/emission characteristics of GHGs, i.e., that they absorb infrared.
b) First Law of Thermodynamics, i.e., Conservation of Energy
c) Second Law of Thermodynamics, energy flows hot=>cold”
John Mashey fails to acknowledge that none of this is in dispute. But in equal measure, it does not get AGW to the catastrophic end of the argument.
Claims of high climate sensitivity rely on untested arguments of amplification by positive feedback. So predictions of catastrophe are not a simple matter of applying simple physics afterall.
Prof. Stefan Rahmstorf of the University of Potsdam has personally had more than two million euros in climate related funding over the past 3 years, yes, I would also be very vocal for that amount of money.
Norman (18:39:01) :
Long post, if anyone reads it let me know if it seems logical. Thanks!
Something else that comes into play is the terrain and elevation of those cities, Norman.
The altitude of the reporting stations (according to the Citizens’ Weather Observation Program)
Las Vegas: 2,211 MSL (however, the city is spread over what’s essentially an area of foothills 2000 MSL – 3100 MSL with mountains to the west)
Tulsa: 764 MSL (slightly rolling prairie with scablands to the west and north)
Knoxville: 1086 MSL (in a valley between the Blue Ridge and Smokey Mountain ranges)
Home page for the CWOP is http://www.wxqa.com/
kwik (14:16:20) :
At last some national bodies are standing up for themselves instead of “Towing the AGW line”
pat,
“So it seems it took a perfect storm of snow, scientific doubt and political failure to dent public acceptance of the reality of global warming by about 10%.
For greens that could be encouraging, as all those factors will fade. For sceptics, it’s more likely to be worrying, as they have never had it so good..”
Perhaps. Unless of course the cherry picking science, scientific retractions, suppression of the medieval warm period, poor surface stations management, biased peer review, cool-normal summers, cold-normal winters, stable hurricane seasons, Antarctic ice growth and skeptics like me, all CONTINUE. Funny thing about mixing science with politics, it eventually looks a lot like religion.
RockyRoad (20:45:17) :
Do you mind, there are about 60 Million of us in the UK alone, why should be subjected to the SCAM just to show the rest of the world it doesn’t work.
Would you voulunteer your country to do it?
“Wren (00:35:36) :
” science should be communicated openly and reviewed in an unbiased way, however much we sympathise with the way in which CRU researchers have been confronted with hostile requests for information.”
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Speaking of hostile requests, the University of East Anglia received 58 FOI requests of similar nature asking for details on confidentiality agreements with different countries, many of which were identical except for the specific countries mentioned. Apparently, this was an organized effort, but the following rather amusing request was from a participant who failed to follow instructions:”
Wren, you have repeatedly expressed your view that FOI requests are evil because they stop the poor geniusses from devoting all their time running more computer simulations, forcing them instead to devote time to organizing their data collections, which they didn’t as Jones admitted.
Ask yourself a question: Wouldn’t it be possible to spend a little bit of the tax payer millions on some accountants who take care that the data is organized well enough so that a FOI request (whether hostile or not) can easily be answered? And isn’t that the exact purpose of the FOI act?
And if a lot of people send similar FOI requests “in an organized way”, oh perish the thought, like the organized mass e mail campaigns where GreenPeace makes their members flood MPs with protest letters, well, wouldn’t all these necessarily similar FOI requests be answerable in one go?
You really seem to have problems with the FOI act. Or with accountability of climate science in general, but then, maybe you are a climate scientist yourself – they seem to have exactly the same problem.
“Mike Haseler (23:51:10) :
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knows the dramatic affect of clood cover. So, it really is incredible that they keep reporting: CO2 and “water vapour” and totally ignore the effect of cloud cover.”
Speaking of clouds, here’s McGuffie, Henderson-Sellers, 1987,
“Will clouds provide a negative feedback in a CO2-warmed world?”
http://iahs.info/redbooks/a168/iahs_168_0619.pdf
Wren (00:35:36) :
Speaking of hostile requests, the University of East Anglia received 58 FOI requests of similar nature asking for details on confidentiality agreements with different countries, many of which were identical except for the specific countries mentioned.
Did the UEA receive any “friendly” requests from Climate Scientists wanting to check the basis/validity of the “science” underlying their own profession?
“… science should be communicated openly and reviewed in an unbiased way, however much we sympathise with the way in which CRU researchers have been confronted with hostile requests for information.”
Yes, one must sympathise with anyone confronted with “hostile requests.” How utterly terrifying it must have been for them.
“… science should be communicated openly and reviewed in an unbiased way, however much we sympathise with the way in which CRU researchers have been confronted with hostile requests for information.”
Yes, one must sympathise with anyone confronted with “hostile requests.” How utterly terrifying it must have been for them.
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Science itself is on trial …. All scientists have got to know that now. The wrong outcome will doom them all to mere political “white coat stand-ins” at press ops. As if the grant system hasn’t already done that.
It’s the hocus-pocus runaway positive feedback that make the whole laughable AGW dispute. Not to say anything about the now known falsifying of the surface temperature records. But — If the positive feed backs were true, then earth would either be a snowball, or fiery hot. Neither of which is true. Positive feed backs cause latch conditions, from which there is no recovery, barring catastrophic events, like a possible a giant meteor strike, or the earth’s surface turning to red-hot lava.
Maybe a little overly dramatic hand waving on my part, but not by much.
Bill Tuttle (02:58:18) :
Thank you for the info on elevation. I know as you go up in mountains it cools but only up a ways. I think a valley or below sea level is cooler at night (cold air is heavier). Do you know what effect the elevations you listed would have on the temperatures of the cities I selected. (I am also looking at other cities as well, I just have to find ones at roughly the same latitude so that the solar energy flux is similar).
To Jeff Alberts, Dave Andrews, et al,
I accept the tree ring data as reliable (when not cherry picked or a “bad” species is used) for the following reasons.
The “divergence problem” is the trees reporting colder temperatures than the instrument record since about the 1960’s. As shown on this site and others, they have been fudging the historical temperature record with adjustments, including strange selective ones for certain years and periods. The tree ring data cannot be selectively fudged as the same technique is used throughout a given sample and a given study.
Thus the trees used are acting as rural un-fudged thermometers, honestly reporting the temperature. There is sufficient real proven science to trust these records before the 1960’s, the only problem is they don’t agree with the major temperature databases after then. Therefore, simplest explanation, the trees are saying there is something wrong with those major temperature databases. Which has been shown many times to be true on this site and others.
So trust the trees, within appropriate error ranges. They are really agreeing with us.