From the UK Express
PRINCE CHARLES ON CLIMATE CHANGE: GLOBAL WARMING SCEPTICS ARE ALL LIARS
Charles, who has campaigned on global warming for more than 20 years, said: “I have watched with growing dismay and alarm the glee with which the sceptics have leapt upon the recent news stories that question the science that climate change is man-made and suggesting it is nothing more than a myth.
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| Prince Charles: ‘I’m not willing to play Russian Roulette over climate change’ |
“Well, if it is but a myth, and the global scientific community is involved in some sort of conspiracy, why is it then that around the globe sea levels are more than six inches higher than they were 100 years ago?
“This isn’t an opinion – it is a fact.”
He added: “And, ladies and gentlemen please be in no doubt that the evidence of long-term and potentially irreversible changes to our world is utterly overwhelming.”
Charles spoke after arriving in Manchester by Royal Train pulled by a coal-fired steam locomotive, named the Tornado, which was rebuilt from a 1948 design.
Read the entire article at the UK Express
First let me say that I like trains. But Charles apparently has no clue about how such a pronouncement might be viewed by commoners when he’s apparently doing nothing to curb his own carbon footprint. Will Jim Hansen denounce him for riding on a coal powered “death train”?
Charles also seems to think that sea level is a static feature of our dynamic Earth. Here’s a few reminders about sea level change the prince probably hasn’t discussed in polite conversations. He might also benefit from a visit to Israel, where sea level has been variable for the last 2500 years.
Here’s the last 9000 years which appear almost flat in the graph above due to scale used:
In our current era, while sea level has in fact been rising, continuing the trend started thousands of years ago, it recently appears to have slowed a bit:
Clearly we live in the golden age of relative stability, but Earth is very seldom that way. The rise of man just happened to get lucky…thanks to a warming world.
But who to believe, a coal powered prince or your own lying eyes?
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coniston (01:59:51) WHAT? No public money? What are you smoking? http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23710926-prince-charles-gets-235-more-cash-from-taxpayer.do
Most families have an idiot somewhere in the gene pool. Why should the Queen be any different?
Some of you may missed this UK pro-sceptic piece from another Spectator blogger:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/5745566/by-the-waters-of-denial-they-sit-and-weep.thtml
“Miliband resembles one of those people who are discovered living in the jungle decades after the end of a war without realising it is all over. Someone should sit him down with a nice strong cup of hot sweet Fairtrade tea and a blanket over his shoulders, and embark him without delay upon a course of post-traumatic stress counselling. An awful lot of reputations are about to be reduced to, um, carbon – his included.”
… And anyway, we like our Royalty (as long as they have no real power). Would you rather have Gordon Brown as Head of State??? Or some other here-today-gone-tomorrow lickspittle politician? Charles will ascend to the throne when his mother (long may she reign) leaves this mortal coil. And when he’s King Charles III, he’ll no longer opine on things. It’ll be Prince William who’ll be doing that.
Well, all the British (German) royal families changed their names during the “Great war to end all wars”. For instance, Battenberg, changed to Mountbatten. The “Windsors”, and the current “queen”, are not English. Either French or German descent.
Never mind the tree-whisperer.
Love the train. Fanstastic work by volunteers, funded by donations.
http://www.a1steam.com/
Came to the rescue of snow-bound rail passengers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8428097.stm
Hurrah for the coal-powered life-train!!
@Rebivore (03:35:43) :
“… And anyway, we like our Royalty (as long as they have no real power).”
Speak for yourself Rebi.
“Would you rather have Gordon Brown as Head of State??? Or some other here-today-gone-tomorrow lickspittle politician?”
That’s *exactly the position we are in in the UK today, with the here-today-gone-tomorrow one being Blair, who governed as a president without any effective opposition or the checks and balances that a republican constitution provides against tyranny. And Brown behaves in the same autocratic way. This has happened precisely because the supposed head of state is a cipher.
Hi, folks.
Just recently, on another thread, I replied to another poster that Prince Charles was advised by one Jonathon Porrit. Google this man to find out where HRH’s ideas come from.
“DaveF (04:01:38) :
Hi, folks.
Just recently, on another thread, I replied to another poster that Prince Charles was advised by one Jonathon Porrit. Google this man to find out where HRH’s ideas come from.”
As well as “potted” plants?
For those who mock the Briish monarchy and refer to the superiority of the US alternative, I would point out that in 2000 Al Gore, but for the grace… just failed to ascend the throne of the United States. The Queen/King has no real power, they must be consulted, that is all. The polititians can then go ahead and do whatever they want. The President, on the other hand, can start a war, if he wishes.
I am not suggesting that if one was starting from scratch today, that you would select the British model, bur I would defy anyone to implicate the Royal family in the descent of the UK from being a world power to the proto-third world sh*thole that it is today. For that, you would need to look at the polititians.
Charles is a weak, sad and vain little man but he is only the heir to the throne, as in a sense am I and every other subject, for we are all probably related. As such he is a private individual and is entitled spout whatever codswallop he wants. And we, can form whatever opinion of him we like. That is the root of his foolishnes.
If Charles becomes King however, if he wants to keep the job, he will need to keep his thoughts to himself. As Head of State his utterances become the official word of the nation. It is the same for all nations, US included. Charles’ great uncle, Edward VIII, the previous Prince of Wales didn’t toe the line and was booted out. Nobody missed him because there was an almost infinate number of possible replacements. That is how our system works.
It has been said that: “It is better to remain silent and be thought foolish than to open your mouth and remove all possible doubt.”
I hope one of Charles’ advisors chisels the above into his noble if sloping brow.
I wouldn’t be so harsh with Charles.
He’s in principle a conservationist and a traditionalist, so he’s all for natural food, classical architecture, preserving Nature etc. And, unfortunately, AGW in its “preserve our Mother Earth as it is” form struck a chord with him.
And I totally agree with Prince’s take on the oh so “modern and proggressive” architectural fads from unstable materials and needing a constant maintenance, that deface the cities now.
“EW (04:14:47) :
I wouldn’t be so harsh with Charles.
He’s in principle a conservationist and a traditionalist, so he’s all for natural food,”
Sure! It was “his” elite that drew millions into war, in the past as well, I guess their family “cock” was bigger, eh? God and all that!
He is a total idiot, shame he is on the “civil list”, as I recall, Dianna “received” 90,000 pounds per year, for what? Being a “Royal” or popular? Who cares!
Strange that Charles has some support from your contributors. I had previously assumed that it was a good general rule to adopt the contrarian position to all of his public beliefs.
I had some time for his Grandmother, who went through life enjoying herself largely without saying anything noteworthy. A good rule for him to follow.
‘ and that’s a fact.’
Wrong.
‘…evidence that long-term and potentially irreversible changes to our world is overwhelming.’
Wrong.
Like the train, though….
@EW
So you and Charles want to get away from modern materials which require constant maintenance … what do you want to go back to – Portland stone? It looks terrific, but for me it spends too much time under tarpaulins being abraded back to its original colour. When it isn’t being abraded to improve its colour it is being surface treated to avoid micro cracking to prevent spalling. Oh yeah, Charles has a great understanding of architecture.
interesting the images, santa catarina is my state in brazil! 🙂
Is that site, (www.globalwarmingart.com) reliable, from a quick look at it, seems a warmist propaganda tool.
Inbreeding reduces critical thinking and analytical skills, along with everything else.
John Diffenthal,
do you think that the concrete housing blocks age better? Let’s see them after some, oh, 300 years…
Luboš Motl (01:53:01) :
Well, it’s not too surprising that Prince Charles wants to terminate the Enlightenment.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article7013764.ece
Frankly, after reading what he actually said, I have to side with Charles.
From the author, emphasis added:
Since we humans are involved, and we tend to be illogical unreasonable creatures, it is patently obvious that reason alone will never suffice. Not all components behave in a logical manner, thus logic alone cannot control all the components.
Way back at the start, it looked like Science would have all the answers. Everything could be explained by equations and deduced from logic. Instead, we keep finding further complexity, and chaotic systems whose behavior cannot be absolutely predicted. “Science” is not a direct path to the goal of knowing everything. Instead it is a meandering walk through endless woods, where one may stop briefly to carefully examine something before moving on and finding something else.
The problems with “solutions” formulated at the top and universally implemented locally are known. One size does not fit all. You have to know the local conditions to best fix problems that are manifested at the local level. Example, you have problems in an agricultural area with drought and soil erosion. Does top management whip out the Big Scientific Manual that says this is what causes it, and immediately start working down the list of Things That Will Fix IT? No! They send people out to examine the local conditions, then formulate the local solutions.
And how about healthcare? Someone goes to the doctor, mentions they’ve been feeling depressed. Doctor says Science says that’s a neuro-chemical imbalance, take this drug, problem’s solved. Reason has been applied, all perfectly Scientific. What’s wrong with that? Plenty. Where does the person fit in? A human with a problem is not a malfunctioning machine. The “old-fashioned country doctors” knew better. It is better to know about the whole person, what is going on in their lives, their diet and exercise and whatever stresses they are under. In simple terms, a holistic approach works best.
Science should not be a goal until itself. Science is a tool that serves us, we do not serve Science. The goal of the Enlightenment was to reduce everything to reason, so reason may fix everything. But this is impossible, for we are human. The Enlightenment has failed. Charles is right.
Although I will disagree on building our houses so birds can nest on them. While it might be different in more crowded areas, here there is normally enough space for a separate bird house. And I’d rather put up a nice bat house, I will willingly trade singing birds while I’m trying to sleep for less mosquitoes and other annoying insects.
Charles would so fail a course on eighteenth-century history and culture. Here’s the heart of his critique of the Enlightenment:
“I believe it is of crucial importance to work with, in harmony with nature, to rediscover how it is necessary to work with the grain of nature, as it is necessary to work with the grain of our humanity. . .”
May the ghost of Jean-Jacques Rousseau swat him upside his tabula rasa.
I like his train though. Isn’t that one of the Big Engines from Thomas the Tank Engine? I wonder if he lets Pachuri drive it? [insert ribald Freudian references here]
It would be interesting to see if chuckie uses the same carbon credit broker as algore
Yep.
I wish the engineer on that locomotive had been Choo Choo, just to add to the absurdity of it all.
There’s a wonderful surface treatment coming that may eliminate the need for such maintenance. This suggests that progress may come to the rescue in other fields. (E.g., safe etc. nuclear power as a way to cut down on CO2 and cheap power for desalinization, alleviating the water-shortage problem.)
he he
I am not a royal family fan,but I am amused by people who think that Prince Charles or the queen is dumb for believing what so called intelligent scientists tell them.I believe there is only one political leader who has called the scientists out.I don’t have much time for Charles,but he is probably a true believer,and he does a lot of good for charity,the ones I condemn are the ones who know that AGW is not a certainty,but are willing to promote the lie in their own interests.Mann and Jones are not dumb,they are shrewd,dirty rotten scoundrels.Australia becomes a republic,and replaces one branch of AGW believers(who do not interfere with the Australian way of life),to replace them with a AGW believer who will interfere in any way he or she can.No thanks.
Too bad he can’t be swapped out for Monckton.