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The world of climate change alarmism just got a new ally. No I’m not kidding.
CAIRO (AP) – Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden has called in a new audiotape for the world to boycott American goods and the U.S. dollar, blaming the United States and other industrialized countries for global warming.
In the tape, aired in part on Al-Jazeera television Friday, bin Laden warns of the dangers of climate change and says that the way to stop it is to bring “the wheels of the American economy” to a halt.
Umm, where have we heard this before?
h/t to Leif Svalgaard
First Gore now Bin laden, what is it with these guys and Bush…….
He obviously is making a play for the soon to be vacant top slot on the IPCC. As an employee of the UN he will have diplomatic imunity.
If you support the IPCC, the terrorists win?
/obligatory
Tim Osman of AlCiada?
They needed him in Copenhagen last month. Perhaps he can guest edit RC.
That’s good, the IPCC needs a new spokesperson.
Global Warming has officially jumped the shark!
Warmers, when a terrorist mastermind agrees with your views, perhaps its time to reconsider
Allah akbar.
He is grooming impaired as is Rajendra.
Is that Choo-Choo with a turban?
Support for the AGW hoax from beyond the grave! I’ve seen nothing that would incline me to doubt that Bin Laden has been dead since 2001. But his war against western civilization does have some eerie parallels with the AGW conspirators.
Bin Laden is not stupid.
He has identified AGW policies provide a much more potent tool to harm the US economy than any terrorist attack.
Yes, Obama and Bin Laden, all good friends now:
http://link.email.washingtonpost.com/r/ZTVJ68/76PP2/KFUBOT/MLDXF7/BYHZD/36/t
At least he is honest in his prescription to “bring the wheels of the US economy to a halt,” instead of hiding behind unjustifiable optimism about the capabilities of cap and trade and alternative energy sources to reduce CO2 emissions without killing the economy.
He must be feeling the heat.
Does he provide training bootcamps for the Earth Liberation Front division of PETA?
I wonder how much CO2/carbon and other nasty chemicals is emitted by a suicide bomber when he/she pushes the button? Has anyone calculated whether it’s carbon neutral or not? Should they have to buy carbon offsets in order to blow themselves up? After all somebody has to use manufacture all the materials, transport them to the bomb factory, possibly use a fossil fuel vehicle to deliver the bomber and bomb to the target, etc. Has Al Gore explored this potential market for offsets?
I wonder how much CO2 was put into the air on September 11, 2001.
johnh (07:49:28) :
“He obviously is making a play for the soon to be vacant top slot on the IPCC. As an employee of the UN he will have diplomatic imunity.”
Just had a vision of Algore in a Burnoose and beard….
He’s just heard that Pachauri’s on his way out and is making a bid for the leadership of the IPCC!
My enemy’s enemy is my friend.
An inconvenient truth perhaps?
I expect this to be in the AR5.
peer reviewed of course
I suppose it will only be a matter of time before Bin Laden appears in a new WWF commercial.
Pretty soon we have a nice little freak show collected.
A new bedfellows?
Bin Laden, Al Gore, Tony Blair, George Bush, Margaret Thatcher, etc!
What a strange world we live in.
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
Amazingly, Osama’s climate change policy is identical to Obama’s climate change policy… :laugh:
OT: Study: Water vapor may help ‘flatten global warming trend’
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/environment/2010-01-29-watervapor29_ST_N.htm
So now water vapor doesn’t amplify global warming but dampens it? What happened to all the feedbacks that were supposed to be causing a runaway greenhouse effect?
Where do these guys get their talking points… the New York Times?
So he’s finally broken his self-imposed silence on this important issue. Did he also go on to bemoan Arsenal’s lack of financial clout in the transfer market?
[snip – while I realize you may have been using satire, the comment is a bit OTT]
The guy is right you know. NASA GISS and Michael Mann are responsible for the data sets that created global warming.
For someone, who has spent so much thought on how to damage the US economy, I’m surprised that he has realised this only now.
Hah!
I can’t call it irony, since OBL and the warmists both share the same goals.
I can’t call it funny, since OBL and the warmists would both destroy our way of life.
And yet… and yet… maybe one or two of the passive warmists might figure it out from this. Nah.
[snip – a bit OTT as base’ F’s comment was].
Coming soon to a headline near you: “Direct link found between global warming and terrorism.”
It was only a matter of time. Those that wish to “expose” and teardown the US supposed malfeasance (environmentalist and statists) have provided the perfect vehicle for those outside the US – Global Warming. Think of this, Bin Laden is now on the same “moral ground” as Mann, Hansen, Gore, et al.
Great post! Both funny and obvious. Why would anyone be surprised that OBL would sign up with a lie ained at hurting the west? Only surprise is he apparently waited until it was certain it was a lie.
Remember this story a couple weeks back:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/01/the_cia_takes_on_global_warmin.html
Now it makes complete sense. They knew OBL was an Alarmist and where else would you find an alarmist but out checking the melt of glaciers.
Curious george:-) Funny.
sorta off topic, but on the American caused issue is this
something I blogged, minutes ago:-)
http://agmates.ning.com/forum/topics/its-looking-like-a-race-for
the link to USA govt paid and approved alaskan warming program???? wtf?
Well, El Sid himself .
The probability that bin Laden is alive is minuscule, voice can be easily created by computer. The last video I had seen was obviously a stand in that could only fool westerners who think any swarthy man with a beard is bin Laden. Benazir Buto years and years ago had said he was dead.
Anyway, of course al Qaeda will be all for cap and trade. Nothing like making your enemy commit hara kiri.
Now when a warmist goes all irrational on me I can come back with “Ah. An ally of Osama. Eh?”
The wheels are coming off.
BTW any one notice the parallels between the Lebensraum arguments and the warmist arguments?
I discuss that and Osama at:
http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2010/01/warmists-gain-new-ally.html
I can only paraphrase the Godwin rule.
You know AGW is done when bin Laden turns up to support it.
Stick a fork in it.
You say Obama, I say Osama…
I always thought it but didn’t dare to say it. He knows that Cap&Trade will destroy the US better and sooner that his Jihad suicides. So, logically, there are a few guys out there sharing goals with Al-Qaida, but who’s the original idea.
Funny too…think Al “baby” a Jihadist! though I suspect he loves himself too much to commit suicide.☺
No joke, with all his money he could lobby for Cap&Trade. LOL!!!!
Actually nothing new here. OBL has sporadically done this climate change riff since 9/11.
Never thought I would see Bin Laden sign on to a new religion! On the other hand, he was never much of a Muslim, what with that murdering all the other muslims is okay bit.
But wiping out large parts of humanity in order to cleanse the world is one of the basic beliefs of his new religion, so I guess it’s not really surprising he’s found a home there!
This is gutter talk at best. The guy is a mass murderer. I find it deeply troubling that he be compared to Mann, Hansen, Gore etc… you all should be deeply ashamed of yourselves.
I was starting to take some of your arguments seriously. you have now completely lost me.
Will the MSM ignore the association of OBL now has with global warming?
What’s the difference between AGW and OBL?
None… they are both dead!
He must really hate his family – whose wealth comes exclusively from oil exports.
I wonder where he thinks his funding will come from if those oil reserves become worthless because of the policies he promotes.
At least James Hansen can produce a peer reviewed tape that backs up his views.
“He obviously is making a play for the soon to be vacant top slot on the IPCC. As an employee of the UN he will have diplomatic imunity.”
Maybe. I think it more likely that he’s angling for a Nobel Peace Prize. Given the recent awards, he has a pretty decent shot at it.
And you did notice that he released this staement on video, didnt you? The production values arent quite up to Algore’s standard, but there may yet be an Oscar in the wings …
@jim Watson
“I wonder how much CO2 was put into the air on September 11, 2001.”
Probably much less than usual. The planes would have burnt all their fuel continuing to their destinations anyway, and the grounding of flights would have cut a lot more. I have heard stories that the cleaner air over the US resulted in lower temperatures, so perhaps the IPCC see this as a benefit…?
If SPY Magazine had still been around, there would be an immediate Pachauri/Bin Laden “separated at birth” item.
I think Mr. Bin Laden is making an environmental plea against further use of drones and guided missiles. He is a very unselfish individual, full of love for the planet.
I think the Pentagon buys carbon offsets for those items, Mr. Bin Laden.
Sounds like a recruiting appeal to Greenies. It’s worked for the Islamists before, with leftist-fanatics orphaned by the ideological collapse of Communism.
This from a man who condones the use of an Airplane as a weapon. That’s not very green thinking.
This should just about do it for the AWG lobbyists!
Hey George Monbiot, Al Gore, Jones, Hansen, Gavin, Pachauri & company!
… how do you like your new colleague !
CRU, NASA & Al-Quaeda in the same bed ? who is going to let that one go!
Please shut down your industry which is making bullets to kill us happy innocent muslims.
Is it ok to complain about global warming when you live in a friggin’ DESERT!!
It’s nice to see the destruction of Western economies tied to AGW beliefs. I’ll be mentioning the backing of OBL to the complex climate deniers in the future.
John Galt (08:08:15) :
“OT: Study: Water vapor may help ‘flatten global warming trend’
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/environment/2010-01-29-watervapor29_ST_N.htm”
Also reported here:
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=9689224
Oh, dear. So let’s see: 2000-2009 claimed to be the hottest decade. Has highest levels of CO2 since humans appeared. But water vapour has decreased. All the climate models assume that water vapour must increase with higher CO2 and temperature (positive feedback). That is why this result is so ‘unexpected’. If you make assumptions about feedback, then the wrong sort of feedbacks sure are ‘unexpected’. So, which is right – the models or reality? (Rhetorical question!)
I am seeing more and more reports that the magnitude and sign of the feedbacks in the models are hopelessly wrong. Remeber, ALL attributions to anthropogenic factors come from modelling (when the models include positive feedback they can’t track past climate changes without adding the effects of increased CO2). I can see the wheels coming off this bandwagon fairly soon. AGW will soon be a busted flush. Bin Laden’s endorsement will do it no favours.
John Galt beat me to the punch. That looks like a very important paper as far as modeling goes….. Everyone remember; “The Science Is Settled”!
Maybe he’s contemplating an alliance with ELF and James Hansen.
Scaling down to civil disobedience.
lol, and the hits keep rolling. These stories(all of today’s in the various media outlets) are related, yet OT, here’s one from the DUH!!! dept.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7007238.ece
The wheels are falling off the wagon!!!
Green jihad is coming!!
Also on BBC now…
‘Bin Laden’ blames US for global warming
Wow, Bin Laden is pretty spunky for a dead guy. Orwell’s Emmanuel Goldstein is a dove compared to the perpetually spooky enemy Osama, the top of the list in “the database” of CIA jihadi assetts… or al qaeda in Arabic.
This just goes to show which side of the global warming debate more closely resembles the “intelligent design” side of evolution. So far we have the Pope, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Evangelical leaders, and numerous other Christian leaders declaring their solidarity with the warmist ideology. Now we have Osama bin Laden firmly in the warmist camp as well. It would appear that the forces of faith are not, in fact, aligned with the science when it comes to the issue of AGW.
Big surprise, that!
“Why would anyone be surprised that OBL would sign up with a lie ained at hurting the west? Only surprise is he apparently waited until it was certain it was a lie.”
Yes, he rather waited too long for this tactic, It would be embarrassing enough to have done this just before ClimateGate, this long after the wheels have started to come off just makes him look the fool.
OBL must be concerned about the amount of CO2 that each 2,000 lb paveway bomb releases on impact.
Bombs away!
Mike Ramsey
It seems a bit late to jump on the AGW bandwagon when the wheels are falling off.
Nothing about bringing the wheels of the Chinese economy to a halt.
I wonder who this is supposed to appeal to. Those in Third World countries encouraged to play up over the damage caused to them by climate change and now likely to lose their handout as the scam collapses?
I look forward to reading OBL’s posts on Real Climate. He’ll be in good company over amongst the other nutters there.
Hmm – can’t be in the mountains – perhaps OBL is hiding in an urban location!
Great endorsement for the IPCC!! I mean, we already have the WWF and GreenPeace backing them….
No chance this story is true. Bin Laden has been dead for years. IMHO
If you like fiction, you’re living the dream. As many have said, before, “how can this guy release tapes (not vids anymore since people recognize it isn’t him) and NOT be caught, when we pulled passports from a fiery pit where no plane survived?”… ummm, right?
BS – 9 11 has its scientific critics in the form of pilots, engineers, firefighters, ex-military, architects and it MUST be investigated using their facts, not the govs ‘adjusted’ data and their theory (it IS a theory).
OBL is nothing… he is just given the role of our ‘enemy’ as we don’t have them all over the world thanks to imperialism.
Haigh,
LOL!
Osama doing peer review for NASA GISS and James Hansen? Priceless.
Give him a lifetime free Greenpeace membership.
“The science is settled – – – or else !”
Nuts. He’s been dead for years, and his pronouncements are authored by one or more moonbats. It’s laughable. They read like a list of lefty talking points.
Real bin Laden screeds were florid and filled with religious imagery and exhortations. That has not been the case since Tora Bora.
ZT (09:02:49) : Hmm – can’t be in the mountains – perhaps OBL is hiding in an urban location!
If I was OBL, I would be on Miami beach.
Mike Ramsey
That was about as deep as his usual rants. The sheer ignorance of these Islamic terrorists never fails to amaze. Speaking of ignorance, i wonder if Obama has any real science advisers or if he is surrounded by crazies to protect him from reality?
Obviously I disagree with Bin Laden, but from a strategic standpoint this is quite brilliant. He sees the democrats as enemies of this country or at least willing pawns and is attempting to use them to advance his position. The mere association between CAGW, Bin Laden and those attempting to foist cap-and-tax on this nation should be shocking. In saner times, that might cause many to rethink their stance…but we don’t live in sane times!
Why destroy a country yourself when you can get others to do it from within?
I suppose he will qualify for European funding now!
Fox News is scrolling a statement from SPPI regarding temperature records were altered to show global warming when there was none. Authored by Joseph D’Aleo & Anthony Watts. Link is
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/policy_driven_deception.html
Good job guys! The scroll keeps going and references Himalayagate, Amazongate. Wonder if anyone at the other networks will notice?
Check out the name of the UN envoy to Afghanistan ;
UN names new envoy to Afghanistan
“UNITED NATIONS, New York — Ban Ki Moon, the United Nations secretary general, has named the Norwegian diplomat Kai Eide as his new envoy for Afghanistan, an appointment that the West hopes will help to bolster the international presence there.”
– yes it is pronounced like a well know terror group. His nickname has to be Al!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/world/asia/07iht-envoy.1.10799482.html
cheers David
I recall Saddam Hussein (No relation to Barry Hussein) was the first eco terrorist. He lit up 600 oilwells in Kuwait after invading Kuwait. Since that oil was NOT burned by an internal combustion engine, it was disregarded as polution.
“In the tape, aired in part on Al-Jazeera television Friday, bin Laden warns of the dangers of climate change and says that the way to stop it is to bring “the wheels of the American economy” to a halt”
For all those who fear that jihad is winning… Well, there you go. If it was winning, he wouldn’t say our economy needs to be stopped. Apparently it’s still enough to piss off bin Laden, depressed as it is.
Anyway, I just heard this story on CBS and I had to laugh. He urged people to not buy American made goods. I haven’t seen any “made in America” labels in many, many years. Kill the nonexistent.
I guess he’s been in that cave of his for longer than he’s thought to have been!
This is really THE sign that they are really desperate to pass the Cap & Tax legislation. If ever it was true (zero confidence on my part), then if they wanted to really get under OBL’s skin, they would drop the whole idea of a green economy… take that Osama! OSAMAAAAAAaaaa!
[snip – OTT]
How is the climate (weather) over there in Talibanistan?
The caves can be rather cold.
Imagine the expression on the face of that little girl (with the drowning dog, remember?) if it was OBL reading the book about CO2 and Global Warming. That would be scary. LMAO!
You can just picture the headlines…
“Already the carbon dioxide bombs are being prepared. Thousands of cans of cola and other fizzy drinks are even now being stockpiled in a remote mountain retreat close to the Pakistan border.
It is thought that “sleeper cells” of undercover “openers” in US major cities will have crates of fizzy drinks despatched to them, and at a given command (probably by mobile phone), the toxic gas will be simultaneously released on the unsuspecting American public…”
Maybe OBL ought to start his own climate blog:
CO2 Jihad.com
Climate Jihad.com
AllahisGreatClimate.com
ClimateAllah.com
WahhabistWarming.com
AllahTruthClimate.com
And the sceptic infidel blogsites can rename to:
Climate-Infidels. com
Occupiers.com
CarbonCrusaders.com
ClimateGitmo.com
MJK (08:30:25) :
This is gutter talk at best. The guy is a mass murderer. I find it deeply troubling that he be compared to Mann, Hansen, Gore etc… you all should be deeply ashamed of yourselves.
I was starting to take some of your arguments seriously. you have now completely lost me.
Get a life baby!
Folks,
This isn’t new. As I recall, it was in the original 10 ??? point diatribe that was released around the 9/11 attack. I remember this because it suggested a possible explanation something I was curious about back then. The muslim oil producing states were gaining massive amounts of the world’s wealth and it didn’t make sense for there to be an outright attack at that time since waiting and biding time would continue to put them in better circumstances unless there was something that would cause the opposite. Running out of petro was not the problem. However, accepting the notion of global warming and the destruction of the planet would provide the impetus to ‘act now’ rather than delay for even better conditions.
That means that this global warming factor is not just a fundamental reason for OBL’s jihad against the west, but that it might be an even more key effort in the timing of the effort or even a prime reason in the reason for this course of action rather than an ecomonic course of action.
does that mean algore is actually guilty of inciting terrorism against the west by misleading others who decided to do something about it?
Increase your emissions or else the terrorists will win!
With ‘friends’ like Bin Laden whe needs enemies? A busted flush indeed! They, the warmists are now a laughing stock. Derision will destroy them. Enjoy!
O/T
Britain’s FOIA law may be toothless, but Phil Jones could possibly be facing some very serious charges related to fraud. An excellent and very detailed legal analysis:
http://www.climategate.com/climategate-professor-phil-jones-could-face-ten-years-on-fraud-charges/comment-page-1#comment-2114
“jj: And you did notice that he released this staement on video, didnt you?”
Actually, the article said “audiotape.”
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The real Osama has been pushing up daisies for years now.
So what would be the intent of the real author of this tape? It does not sound like support for AGW and AGW taxes – it sounds like Republican disinformation to undermine AGW taxes.
Just like when ‘Osama’ (the security services?) conveniently put out a tape four days before the 2004 US election, to help Bush win. This ‘Osama’ is being very helpful to someone.
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LOL ZT (09:02:49) :
Hmm – can’t be in the mountains – perhaps OBL is hiding in an urban location!
May be in Al Baby’s house?
Michael Jankowski (08:17:25) :
Coming soon to a headline near you: “Direct link found between global warming and terrorism.”
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/25/climate.change.security/index.html
Thank you , dear terrorist. If anyone has wondered what the motive is behind this fantasy, wonder no more.
mjk – thanks for reminding us all what a “concern troll” looks like!
Osama is fake.
I seriously doubt that OBL has converted to the AGW religion. What this does indicate though is the enormous success of the message western governments have been sending to developing countries regarding paying climate restitution.
@ MJK (08:30:25) :
“This is gutter talk at best. The guy is a mass murderer. I find it deeply troubling that he be compared to Mann, Hansen, Gore etc… you all should be deeply ashamed of yourselves.”
Not that your point is invalid. But is there any evidence that OBL has directly killed anyone? Isn’t he basically a crackpot leader and fundraiser for terrorist groups who was just very good at his job? I’m perfectly willing to accept that I may be totally wrong here, but from a organizational standpoint, there’s little difference between what the IPCC leaders do, and what OBL does or did on a daily basis (assuming he’s dead). They spout bullcrap to everyone, pimp their organization and goals to those who might fund them, and the end result is potentially chaos and death. Do Jones/Hansen/Pachauri mean to kill anyone? Of course not. Did the people who banned DDT mean to cause the deaths of millions? The road to hell is paved with the best of intentions.
His goal is the same – to destroy the US economy.
http://www.neweconomics.org/
[snip]
[snip]
[snip]
NOTE:
OK This thread is getting a bit too volatile for my taste. While I realize OBL is a volatile issue, please refrain from making comparisons to people…I’ve had to snip a few already.
Keep it clean, Or I’ll shut down the thread.
– Anthony
bin Laden’s dead. Tora Bora, 2001.
If he’s alive, produce him. His appearance would be a tremendous morale boost to his followers, and would really fire them up. So why the ‘audio tapes,’ instead of a live appearance on 60 Minutes, or a BBC interview?
Call me a skeptic.
[snip]
This is not a surprise from Bin Laden. Read some of his earliest pronouncements: he’s all about destroying our economy,… any way he can.
* Get us to spend millions bombing caves in Afganistan,
* Encourage the rest of the world to make us spend trillions on cap n trade (or cap n tax), plus the various payments to every developing nation on the planet,
* Offering bizarro threats so we try to lock down every possible gathering place or venue in the nation against terrorism, or
* Wasting trillions on health care “reform.”
Makes no difference as long as our economy is wrecked. Heck, OBL would probably love it if the US militia and white supremacy groups would take up arms in fear that the massed UN troops are waiting at the Canadian and Mexican borders, plus coming into our ports on the next arriving cruise ships… And if we do it to ourselves, it would be so much easier for him and probably more enjoyable … from his point of view.
The question of the hour should be if Pachauri and the IPCC come forth and accept OBL’s endorsement.
So, after we have had one paper that wants to lower the climate sensitivty number just a couple of days ago, here:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100127134721.htm
We have another paper that wants to lower it here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/29/water-vapour-climate-change
Apparently the paper was published in Science. But the guardian doesn’t give us a link.
Some quotes from the Guardian:
“The research, led by one of the world’s top climate scientists, suggests that almost one-third of the global warming recorded during the 1990s was due to an increase in water vapour in the high atmosphere, not human emissions of greenhouse gases. A subsequent decline in water vapour after 2000 could explain a recent slowdown in global temperature rise, the scientists add.”
“Satellite measurements were used to show that water vapour levels in the stratosphere have dropped about 10% since 2000. When the scientists fed this change into a climate model, they found it could have reduced, by about 25% over the last decade, the amount of warming expected to be caused by carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.”
“The scientists also looked at the earlier period, from 1980 to 2000, though cautioned this was based on observations of the atmosphere made by a single weather balloon. They found likely increases in water vapour in the stratosphere, enough to enhance the rate of global warming by about 30% above what would have been expected.”
Climate sensitivity numbers seem to be dropping as fast as IPCC credibility.
Smokey (10:24:30) :
bin Laden’s dead. Tora Bora, 2001.
I think so too Smokey.
5-Nitrotetrazolato-N2-ferrate hierarchies,
For the responsible suicide terrorist…
Steve Goddard (10:13:48) : The research you refer in your link deserves a new post.
This means if there is to be any chance of avoiding this rise there needs to be a ‘crash’ reduction in greenhouse gases, specifically CO2,.” said Dr Victoria Johnson, co-author of the report and lead researcher of the climate change and energy programme
The same litany…
Total BS! Osama is already dead and not with us anymore..
http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/
Get out of the movie..
cba (09:30:16) :
Folks,
This isn’t new. As I recall, it was in the original 10 ??? point diatribe that was released around the 9/11 attack.
It’s not new. I don’t remember when it was, but I wrote a blog commentary about it back in 2003 or 2004.
“the way to stop it is to bring “the wheels of the American economy” to a halt.”
So, OBL is a liberal democrat? Who would have guessed?
This is bad news for D Suzuki. He will has to share next Nobel Peace Prize
Maybe our anthropogenic emissions of CO2 are affecting the 40 virgins in Paradise?
Has Osama Bin Laden been dead for seven years – and are the U.S. and Britain covering it up to continue war on terror?
By Sue Reid
Last updated at 10:59 PM on 11th September 2009
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212851/Has-Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-seven-years–U-S-Britain-covering-continue-war-terror.html
The funiest quote about OBL comes from Donald Rumsfeld in April 2002;
“We have heard neither hide nor hair of him since, oh, about December in terms of anything hard….We are pretty sure he is either alive or dead.”
never mind Bin Laden – what’s happeningto Arctic ice? The graph seems to indicate a peak this winter of well under 14 MK^2, and probably the lowest since 2002, around 13MK^2.
Any ideas why, anyone?
http://i50.tinypic.com/sdl4cg.jpg
hooah!
[blockquote]Grumbler (09:13:49) :
Check out the name of the UN envoy to Afghanistan ;
UN names new envoy to Afghanistan
“UNITED NATIONS, New York — Ban Ki Moon, the United Nations secretary general, has named the Norwegian diplomat Kai Eide as his new envoy for Afghanistan, an appointment that the West hopes will help to bolster the international presence there.”
– yes it is pronounced like a well know terror group. His nickname has to be Al!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/world/asia/07iht-envoy.1.10799482.html
cheers David
[/blockquote]
I think you are ill informed about norwegian pronunciation…
Btw. Eide has announced that he will step down from his Afghanistan post in March.
Ban names new U.N. envoy to Afghanistan
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/27/AR2010012704693.html
Di Mistura will replace Kai Eide of Norway on March 1.
Slightly O/T but this thread is current and we are talking of ‘strnage bedfellows’ after all… The following story regarding Tony Blair has just appeared ont he Telegraph website
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7054986/Tony-Blairs-climate-change-project-paid-for-by-Oleg-Deripaska-oligarch-who-entertained-Lord-Mandelson-and-George-Osborne.html
Follw the money……… There seems to be a good deal of it to follow!
I wonder when Bindy is going to be revealed as another IPCC source.
Hmmm.
Rush clip is up on Joe Romm board. Rush reads a handfull of warmist talking points direct from Bin Laden. Is Bin Laden in possession of the greenie Manifesto?
It seems the CRU emails have not been translated to Arabic yet.
The comparisons can be charted on a graph. Or even power point sales pitch.
Bin Laden is promised 70 virgins
The warmists promise a utopia without bad weather.
Does it snow in utopia?
Bin Laden and Barack Obama certainly seem to be on the same page. Both determined to fight global warming at any cost.
It takes time to get these tape recordings out of the mountains. I think they travel by Yak back. This one may have been delyed when the Yak was stampeded by a drone passing a half mile over head. It took a month to track the Yak down out on a ledge on a high mountain pass. Then it took another month to get down to Kurdistan, and have the tape shipped to Saudi Arabia via Federal Express.
It actually was suppose to be played at Copenhagen.
Osama can write a ipcc paper on the climate change in caves.
” TFN Johnson (11:22:28) :
never mind Bin Laden – what’s happeningto Arctic ice? The graph seems to indicate a peak this winter of well under 14 MK^2, and probably the lowest since 2002, around 13MK^2.”
Which of the graphs are you talking about? It always depends on extend or area, which satellite, who counts the pixels and who does the smoothing. Comparing DMI-temperatures and Nansen-ice-area, one would have to say that too much cold stops ice from growing.
@MJK:
OBL is a US Puppet. Who was he allied with when the Russians were in Afghanistan?
Well?
Is this an effort to mollify Bin Laden?
Obama Puts Government on Low-Carbon Diet
MICHAEL BURNHAM
See: Executive Order 13514Oct 2009
Hmmm, Al Gore…. Al Qaida.. has a certain symmetry!
I’m nominating this guy for a Nobel Peace Prize!!
The Secret Services are Becoming More and More Nutty
Ok Al BBC Jazeera is largely a British operation and is full of former BBC staff. The UK media is in turn full of secret services personnel. Bin Laden was a CIA man. He was a very sick man and died in 2001 and it was in the Egyptian and Pakistani newspapers.
The subsequent videos and tapes are all just very poor hoaxes by the intelligence services. They don’t have to be good quality because they control the media too. Intel centre are the ones that do such videos. They specislise in terrorist videos: Taliban, Al Qaeda, phoney Uighur terrorists (who threatened the Olympics) anything really and any message to suit (global warming no problem). Intelcentre is run by former US army psychological operations and intelligence officers including one who worked directly for Rumsfeld. Here is a link and price list:
http://www.intelcenter.com/
The FBI are just as bad at this hoax business. Bin Laden is a Spanish Lawyer apparently:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/oye-im-not-bin-laden-spaniard-fumes-at-fbi-over-photo-hijack-20100117-mdtf.html
Oops I made a mistake there. I only intended to make the heading bold not everything.
This is impossible! Bin Laden is neck deep in Big Oil money!
a voice from the grave!
glad he’s not a skeptic.
Steve Goddard (10:13:48) :
His goal is the same – to destroy the US economy.
I agree, but you do not go far enough. He wants to destroy the west economy. if people just realized what they were bleating at the insistence of “Napolean”, they would see that the end results are the same, the only difference between this AGW movement and OBL is in the means.
I never suspected that he was a member of Greenpeace, but now I think about it he seems to fit right in.
When he releases a video with him holding a very recent USA Today, I might believe it.
I’d wager the cost of the Kyoto Protocol that bin Laden is already dead, and I’d really like all these arabic tapes of ‘bin Laden’ to be examined publicly and forensically.
This is a non-story, a tactic and nothing to do with global climate.
What I’d like to see is someone photoshop that image of Osama, and put Al gores face on his! I would give it a try, but I downloaded a trial version of Photoshop a little while ago and now can’t use it! grr
Bin Laden is just parrotting the useful idiots in the West including the Obama administration and Democratic leaders who wish to destroy the economy with Cap and Trade, using as an excuse the lie that the US was until recently the biggest contributor to Anthropogenic CO2. The CO2 figure that should be the basis for discussion is the net figure after subtracting CO2 absorbed because of land use practice from emissions, The paper by Fan et al in Science 1998 (p 442)shows that on a net basis North America is a net CO2 sink whereas Europs and Asis put out far more than they absorb. ( Not that anthropogenic CO2 makes much contribution to warming anyway – as recent lack of solar activity increasingly shows.)
I am racking my brain to come up with an “inspirational poster” for this composite picture. Or maybe a research poster. “Psychologists find new link between eco-terrorists and index finger obsession.” Or maybe, just a “WANTED” poster … “for crimes against humanity for misguiding money away from REAL problems.” Any ideas? ☺
http://photoshare.shaw.ca/image/2/d/8/63987/fettish2-0.jpg
Hey,
it’s pretty obvious this guys been in a cave for the last few years! He reminds me of those Japanese soldiers, thirty years later they still had no idea the war was over! You’re a day late and a dime short buddy.
The latest WUWT Chinese Ice post ‘China Daily’ link also coincidentally reveals a more detailed commentary on the Bin Laden story;
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2010-01/30/content_9401069.htm
This is surely very good news. The last thing that we want is for bin liner to come out as a sceptic. All the lunatics seem to gravitate to the same side as the crooks. In the nature of things I suppose.
No wonder they can’t catch him: he’s probably sailing around in a sloop somewhere ramming fishing boats.
He’s a bit late too the game, just as the AGW side is crumbling too pieces – this loon puts up his hand.
Vote Quimby (14:35:26) :
What I’d like to see is someone photoshop that image of Osama, and put Al gores face on his! I would give it a try, but I downloaded a trial version of Photoshop a little while ago and now can’t use it! grr
Try open source GIMP.
As Margaret Thatcher once declared, ‘publicity is the oxygen of terrorism.’
In my opinion this entire posting should be deleted.
No other comment
In case nobody noticed… Maurice Strong is the standard bearer for the Baha’i Faith in the UN… For such a small, fledgling religion, it sure carries a lot of weight around the UN… New World Order is a Baha’i Faith teaching…
Remember that flooding is required for the Apocalypse of the Age of Aquarius to be realized… The problem I see is that Glaciers creeping across the land is a form of flooding….
I’ll take the warming, if it happens… Who knows when the next Ice Age could happen… Seems to me from everything I’ve read that runaway cooling is a bigger risk, and more likely to come true…
Basing the UN on spirituality has already produced Corruption, Lies, Failures, Genocides, etc…
Baha’i Faith is an offshoot of Islam… New World Caliphate is the Islamic motto… How similar…
btw… Osama likes AGW because of the Islamic Jizya Tax it would impose on the unbeliever…
He has been dead for nearly 10 years,he is only a boogeyman at this point,your all critical thinkers and i am sure most of you are aware that there is no proof that is still alive. As someone made the point above when you see him with a recent USA Today.
TerrySkinner (15:48:09) :
They both want to shut us down, and don’t care how they get it done.
Birds of a feather, I suppose.
Cut it out with the conspiracy theories about Bin Ladin being a special effect. He’s alive, he made a TV appearance prior to the 2004 elections, and he’s connected to a low carbon dialysis machine in Pakistan’s outback where his cohorts are attempting an uprising to make his arrest even more difficult.
And he’s been on the green train for years. It’s not his own doing, Islam generally has the same totalitarian ambitions for bringing around a fantasy version of prehistory as the green movement does.
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/earticle/3812/
http://www.spiked-online.com/articles/0000000CADD4.htm
I will say, that from my Iraq/Saudi experience that it is VERY unusual to see anyone of Yemeni/Saudi cultural heritage evidently support “AGW.”
People in the Arabic cultures tend to reject AGW completely, and not just because their nations are oil producers: they reject it for its status as a “pseudo-religion.”
Apparently Osama is trying to foment some more “anti-American” sentiment from a new angle – but forgot to check how his story would play in Riyadh
Smokey (10:24:30) : “bin Laden’s dead. Tora Bora, 2001.”
Dead, shmed. As any Chicago politician will tell you, death does not necessarily preclude participation in the political process!
Gary Hladik (17:20:12),
But I didn’t say he stopped voting.
@ Al Gore’s Holy Hologram “cut it out with the conspiracy theories”
They aren’t theories there are different people in the Bin laden videos and they came from Intelcentre. That’s evidence. Show me some evidence that he’s alive. Here’s the most realistic video that I could find. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUiNiB2yVCQ
Sound like someone just declared a Global War on Carbon
Bin Laden is like the Loch Ness monster Lots of fake videos, lots of people looking for them both for many years and no proof of the existance of either (not even a photo on a mobile phone, nothing!). Neither of them exist, thats the baseline position. You can’t prove they don’t exist because you can’t prove a negative. You can’t prove they do exist because they don’t.
They must be really desperate if they bring out this hoax as well. Are they going to say that the cold war and SARS are back too?
Al “baby” = Ali Baba?
Scientific data and analyses show that there is no significant human caused global warming.
During the late Ordovician the planet plunged into the Andean/Saharan ice age when the CO2 level was several times the present.
During the last and previous glaciations, atmospheric CO2 increase often lagged temperature increase by hundreds of years
Proxy data from ice cores show temperature trend direction changes. Temperature trend direction changes are not possible if NET feedback from average global temperature is positive.
Average global temperatures for over a century have trended down then up then down then up then down while atmospheric CO2 levels have risen steadily. Lack of correlation proves lack of causation.
A simple model accurately predicts average global temperatures since 1895 without any need to consider the effects of change to CO2 level or any other ghg. The model, with an eye-opening graph, is presented in the October 16 pdf at http://climaterealists.com/index.php?tid=145&linkbox=true. (Replace all references to PDO with ESST which is short for Effective Sea Surface Temperature).
Are the holy AGW believers starting to call out their top guns?
dave t (14:32:31) :
When he releases a video with him holding a very recent USA Today, I might believe it.
With Photoshop available?
THAT’S it for me! I am now a believer in CAGW!
the consensus is complete if Osama bin Laden say it is so then it is!
sorry people I have to join up on the other side now.
sarc/
nice 1 Leif
The “red-green” environmental and left wing western political body of opinion and political movement, closely linked to AGW, does indeed share with Osama Bin Laden a fundamental antipathy to the Western Industrial and capitalistic economy, society and life-style. This is not a trivial or offensive parallel but a correct and informative observation. Many people in the “West” feel ill at ease with a life style dependent on fossil fuel burning technology and mega scale industry as well as bewildering science. They feel real anxiety just from looking at a column of cars at a red traffic lights pumping exhaust fumes into the atmosphere.
The psycological roots of this unease with our industrial lifestyle come partly from a very long-established medieval religious mind-set involving self rejection and loathing linked to a pursuit of a sense of moral and spiritual purity. European society was deeply influenced by such thinking for many centuries, and mind-sets thus formed constitute a large part of peoples’ psycology which change only very slowly over many generations, centuries and even millenia. For instance, Francis of Assisi is often thought of as a benevolent and likeable religious mystic, and no doubt said and did good things. However one thing that he said was:
“St. Francis of Assisi (1181 or 1182–1226) taught, “I have no greater enemy than my body,” arguing that “We should feel hatred towards our body for its vices and sinning!” For St. Francis this attitude entailed fasting and self-flagellation for the disciplining of the body, which he called “brother donkey.””
http://science.jrank.org/pages/8388/Asceticism-Western-Asceticism-Middle-Ages.html
The same article continues indicating the pervasiveness, acceptance and popularity of the concept of inflicting punishment, deprivation and even pain on oneself in order to strive against sin and natural appetites and desires that were seen as iniquitous and as ones own enemy.
Later the article states:
“Many saints of the late Middle Ages individually practiced similar self-punishments; as a collective practice, self-flagellation was institutionalized in convents such as those of the Dominicans in southern Germany. This ascetic act was practiced collectively by the laity as well, at least since the advent of the many flagellant movements from 1260 to 1348, which were reactions against plague and apocalyptic fears; ..”
The part that I would highlight (if I know how to) is “flagellant movements … which were reactions against plague and apocalyptic fears”.
The whole AGW narrative and psycology, Kyoto, Copenhagen, CO2 taxes, cap and trade, emission limits are a modern reappearance of this medieval phenomenon of a flagellant movement in reaction against apocalyptic fears.
What “natural desires” do people have: to have a job, have a prosperous lifestyle and a decent car. To fly from time to time. To be warm in winter, not too hot in summer. The fulfillment of all these desires necessitates fossil fuel burning: thus we are exhorted to mortify and punish ourselves by abstinence from these sinful objects of desire.
The Islamic terrorist link with BIn Ladens “supposed” statement illuminates another aspect: the most virulent Islamic hatred of the west is in Muslims who live in the west. The 911 perpetrators, also the London tube bombers, lived for years in the USA and UK. Muslims in the west are in fact inbibing the wetsern asceticism (subconsciously via the western mindset that we all have – whatever our supposed religion or atheism – few of us realise how superficial such beliefs and opinions are to our subconscious cores). Thus British soldiers in Afghanistan listening in to Taliban radio chatter hear thick Birmingham accents, and later inspecting Taliban corpses they routinely find Aston Villa tattoos on the bodies of these religious martyrs.
You only need to look at anti-government demonstrations in any western capital to see how much institutionalised self loathing exists in the form of loathing of the government of ones own country. Thus patriotism is such a dirty word. Its unacceptable apparently to feel positive about oneself and ones country. Or about our society’s industrial and scientific achievements. We must feel guilt, and punish and deprive ourselves.
Bin Laden is correct. The U.S. invented the hoax!
These takes by veterans are interesting, and they are sure “Osama bin Laden” is dead.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/01/24/israel-please-no-more-bin-laden-tapes-nobody-is-buying-it/comment-page-1/#comment-36698
ISRAEL: PLEASE, NO MORE BIN LADEN TAPES, NOBODY IS BUYING IT! : Veterans Today
CHRISTMAS BOMBING AUDIO TAPE LAMEST YET
YOU WERE CAUGHT, ADMIT IT AND MOVE ON WITH LIFE
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
The new audio tape from “Osama bin Laden” taking responsibility for the idiotic and childish incident in Detroit where moronic Nigerian armed with a useless “bomb” is simply too much…
Spin Laden, “who suffers from renal deficiency (and) has been periodically undergoing dialysis in a Peshawar military hospital with the knowledge and approval of the Inter-Services Intelligence” (July 2001), emerges once more from the dark pages of 1984 to provoke another 2 Minutes Hate.
The Ministry of Truth cannot be said to have purged the web of all the “terrorism experts” who claimed that he was dead. Just google it.
“When seeing, hearing isn’t believing” (WP, Feb 1999), this story appears strange, yes–but not necessarily true. Another Thomas, in his excellent youtube link above, posted a rather clear demonstration of that fact.
ila liqa,
Leon.
It would be interesting to do a poll now amongst the few million Chinese being affected by the unusual amount of sea ice regarding their belief in CAGW.
I think the current cold NH winter will do more to scupper the plans of the warmist’s than any scientific paper.
The globe warms and cools – always did and always will. The IPCC and the ‘scientific’ cabal that underpins them doesn’t have a clue about how our chaotic climate really operates. Their GCM’s have no predictive power.
Jan Wedekind (08:16:23) :
For someone, who has spent so much thought on how to damage the US economy, I’m surprised that he has realised this only now.
He/They’ve included it at least once before. To some degree, AQ’s talking points have paralleled those of the American Left for years.
That’ll work for still pictures. It’ll be 100 times harder, and easier to detect, in a video, especially if OBL waves the paper around and/or flexes it.
I’d have thought he would all be for global warming. It must be pretty cold in that cave in the midst of the Afghan winter.
Many extreme environmentalists, scientists and politicians have used climate change to try to terrify us into accepting their destructive policies. There’s a name for people that use terror as a tool….
Chris
MJK (08:30:25) :
“This is gutter talk at best. The guy is a mass murderer. I find it deeply troubling that he be compared to Mann, Hansen, Gore etc… you all should be deeply ashamed of yourselves….”
Why should we be ashamed? Mann, Hansen, Gore, Maurice Strong, David Rockefeller and Clinton are responsible for the starvation of third world children thanks to the bio-fuel scam and the ratification of the World Trade Organization not to mention World Bank/IMF SAPs.
The results of the politics of Carbon trading/Cap and Trade is increased death of the poor especially children. Osama at least is honest enough to state that his goal is to kill people. Maurice Strong, father of Global Warming also state his goal.
“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilization collapse?”
Do you think the collapse or at least the severe crippling of industrialized civilization, that results from Cap and trade, isn’t going to cause the deaths of millions of people? Are you really that naive?
Look at what happen from the bio-fuel fiasco. Monsanto and Cargill posted record earnings while the third world countries people rioted and starved.
“”The World Bank says that 100 million more people are facing severe hunger. Yet some of the world’s richest food companies are making record profits. Monsanto last month reported that its net income for the three months up to the end of February this year had more than doubled over the same period in 2007…The Food and Agriculture Organisation reports that 37 developing countries are in urgent need of food. And food riots are breaking out across the globe” http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monsanto_and_the_World_Food_Crisis
The whole AGW scenario is about transferring the wealth of the masses into the pockets of the few without getting lynched in the process. And If people die in the process they really do not care, there are always more peasants available to exploit.
vboring (08:37:19) :
“He must really hate his family – whose wealth comes exclusively from oil exports.
I wonder where he thinks his funding will come from if those oil reserves become worthless because of the policies he promotes.”
You forget the Rockefellers, (and Maurice Strong) and the Saudis are in bed together and have been since the 1950’s and before. I have no doubt at all that the result will be MORE money in the pockets of the Rockefellers and the Saudis.
Check out the Saudi Arms Dealer Adnan Khashoggi and his various connections. It is a real eye opener to the threads connecting the very powerful who control world politics.
Gary Hladik (17:20:12) :
Smokey (10:24:30) : “bin Laden’s dead. Tora Bora, 2001.”
“Dead, shmed. As any Chicago politician will tell you, death does not necessarily preclude participation in the political process!”
ROTFLMAO You just found another connection between Osama and Obama…
So, we can expect a Fatwa on Refutniks now?
Issued by ……. Obama?
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“Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden …., blaming the United States and other industrialized countries for global warming.
………, bin Laden warns of the dangers of climate change and says that the way to stop it is to bring “the wheels of the American economy” to a halt.
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If this is now official Al-Qaida policy, what does that make the IPCC ?
Title of top pic:
Portrait of a Genocidal Maniac….
Bin Laden, a hoax like the warming he champions.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/01/bin_laden_a_hoax_like_the_warm.html
Gaia Akbar!
Hitler was “green.”
http://minnesotansforglobalwarming.com/m4gw/2009/06/the-green-nazis-environmentalism-in-the-third-reich.html
Mussolini was “green.”
http://ray-dox.blogspot.com/2006/06/this-is-expanded-version-of-article.html
(scroll down to: “Mussolini the environmentalist”)
Modern Muslims (oxymoron) claim that Mohamad was “green.”
http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1159951461738&pagename=Zone-English-Living_Shariah%2FLSELayout
(but not a very effective one, as most of their lands are deserts)
So why surprised at Bin Laden?
Gary Hladik (17:20:12) :
Barack Obama Al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Washington, likes the way you think.
Bin Laden is no more, he has ceased to be. How can a dead man have an opinion on anything, let alone the climate?
Two probable dates for his demise;
14th December 2001
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/osama_dead.html
13th December 2001
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16526
Bill Sticker (18:37:43) :
You don’t suppose he was the ghost writer from Madame Pacauri’s new book?
P.s., based on the lies those sites tell about Israel, it would be no surprise to me to discover they were no more credible on anything else, a lot like the crew at CRU have been on climate. I.e., if I know they are lying about one thing, I don’t trust them on anything else.
With friends like that they do not need enemies , your job is done.
I’m 99% certain it is fake. Hilarious though.
I think Osama is a pretty cool guy, he talks about global warming and doesnt afraid of anything