From the “weather is not climate department” another report of ice further south than has been recently experienced. Here’s a picture from this China Daily news story:
From Maritime Global.net
CHINA PORTS FREAK WEATHER ALERT
By David Hughes
Published: Tue, 26 January 2010
Freak weather conditions and/or abnormal weather patterns have been reported in several parts of the world during recent months warns the American P&I Club. One of the latest examples is a significant build-up of sea ice in some major northern Chinese ports, the volume exceeding, it says, anything experienced in more than 30 years.
In an alert to its members, the club says the problem is centred around Bohai on the northern Yellow Sea coast, affecting ports such as Bayuquan and Dalian. At Bayuquan, patches of ice 500-600mm thick have formed in some places, while lesser patches have been seen in the immediate vicinity of the port.
Three icebreakers are working to avoid delays to ships, while the local Maritime Safety Authority is strictly supervising inbound and outbound vessel traffic.
Other northern ports – such as Jingtang, Caofeidian and Xingang – are said to be not so seriously affected. On January 17, the Chinese National Sea Weather Forecast Station reported that floating ice around Liaodong Gulf extended as far as some 60 nautical miles from shore, at Bohai Gulf around 22 miles, Northern Yellow Sea around 14 miles, and Laizhou Gulf around 33 miles.
However, with more cold weather fronts expected later, ice coverage around the Bohai coast could expand, according to the club’s correspondents in China, Huatai Agency & Consultant Services Ltd.
The club advises that vessels scheduled to call at northern ports, especially Bayuquan, should be ready for extreme temperatures and ensure Port State Control requirements are strictly followed to avoid unnecessary delay.
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Here’s another news story from AsiaOne News:
Bohai bay turns into block of ice
h/t to Ron De Haan (Note: please fix your email!!)
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“richard verney. (17:49:17) :
Not only in China. Tonight on the news (BBC) there was a brief report about a ship trapped in ice in the Baltic Sea due to worse than usual ice conditions. In the UK, we are again having some snow albeit only very light. It has obviously been a cold winetr in the Northern Hemishere this year.”
I heard about that too on radio here in Australia, but wasn’t carried by MSM news TV (No surprise there). There was a story of a dog being rescued from an ice floe in the Baltic by a ship called “Baltica”. They’ve named the dog “Baltic”.
The weather is not climate department sure is busy these days.
… and all this ice comes from the fact that there is now less water vapor in the atmosphere.
smokey,
sorry, but china has a right to consider per capita emissions. take a look at australia’s emissions for a population of a mere 22 million. and it is australia selling all the coal to china! the ships are piled up offshore waiting to send more coal, nearly a hundred are waiting to load right now.
u expect chinese people to forgo development?
Keep in mind that this must be the “rotten” artic ice which we were told about a few months ago. The rotten ice is simply not behaving. Bad ICE why is it that you are not melting like the IPCC told you to?
No doubt all the heat that Jim Hansen found in the artic is will soon melt the misbehaving ice.
What worries me, with the tempature records (and climate science) in such a shambles, is the possibility that the warming bias in the official records is actually masking significant cooling. Given a choice I would perfer slight warming. But, that is not what is happening in the real world. Computer models and bad science are leaving us poorly prepared for any real cooling.
MSBC picked up on the stranded ship. Of course all the ICE Breaker is too busy to help right away.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/35148252#35148252
Two of my favorite indicators of current cooling and warming are the ice extent graphs, and the UAH and RSS air temp measurements. However current events make me wonder if these measures may miss some things.
Those of you with more surviving brain cells than I have might be able to help me.
First of all, does sea ice extent include the coast of the Yellow Sea? How about Casco Bay in Maine? How about the Great Lakes?
When water turns to ice, the latent heat in the water is freed and joins the heat measured by thermometers in the air. Therefore, though it is in some ways counterintuitive, the more ice you see, the more heat is released.
Of course, this process would be reversed, in order to melt the ice in the spring. Heat from the air would be “used up,” becoming latent heat again, in the melt-water.
Has anyone figured out the math of these shifts of heat from “latent” to “actual,” and back to “latent?” (If not, why not?)
Does this effect the readings of the RSS and UAH satellites?
It does not matter if the ice forms at the poles or in the Yellow Sea; ice is ice, is it not? The math will be the same. Those of you with brain cells need to get to work on this. Meanwhile I’ll sit back and dream. Don’t worry; I’m patient.
Oh, by the way: It seems to me that the change in the AO relaxed the polar vortex in a manner which allowed cold and dense air to spill south, but in many cases that cold air was so dense it pressed flat and was largely found at 6000 feet and below. Does the RSS and UAH data adequately measure the lowest lower-troposphere? Or might such cold be “under their radar” and go unmeasured?
I’d figure out this stuff myself, but for my little business I had to work on IRS form 1099’s this week, to be done by the January 31 deadline, and all my available brain cells are currently in a depleted state. For my own health it is best that I sit back and let you fellows do all the work.
Will the gates open to carbon trading fraud?
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/we-might-be-better-off-without-a-trading-scheme-20100129-n41x.html
Yeah, BPL (Barton Paul Levenson) is a science fiction writer who has postulated that Venus was once populated, but the Venusian SUVs drove up CO2 so much that they had runaway global warming. He seems to frequently confuse reality with fantasy/science fiction.
At anyrate, he frequently points to Venus as the precautionary tale, ignoring such minor facts as atmospheric density and solar proximity that contribute to Venus’ high temperature.
The ice and snow will last for a few weeks to come!
Winter temperature forecast for the NH: cold on the increase until Feb. 14th
Central Asia: http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp11.html
East Asia: http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp5.html
USA: http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp2.html
Europe: http://wxmaps.org/pix/temp4.html
@ur momisugly Paddy (17:29:13) :
Probably that the Constitution limits the ability of the central government to interfere in our lives and pocketbooks. If we were following it, these carbon trading discussions would be taking place on the state level, where individuals are likely to have a little bit more influence than they do in Washington DC.
At least, that’s the way I see it.
“pat (18:43:17) :
smokey,
sorry, but china has a right to consider per capita emissions. take a look at australia’s emissions for a population of a mere 22 million. and it is australia selling all the coal to china! the ships are piled up offshore waiting to send more coal, nearly a hundred are waiting to load right now.
u expect chinese people to forgo development?”
Australia not only exports vast volumes of coal to China (And with KRudd747’s CPRS, Australian taxpayers would pay the Chinese to burn it) it also exports massive volumes of LNG too, at practically give-away prices, and will do for the next 20 odd years.
Every part of the left-wing agenda is a fraud. There is not one part that is true. They continue to invent new dragons to slay because the prior dragons are also frauds. There is nothing in the left-wing agenda except an agenda.
It’s “Big Oil”, paying the ice.
From the weather is(n’t) department of NOAA (a bit dated maybe)
Dozens of scientists from the NOAA contributed to a listing of global storms and climate events, which were notable for their atmospheric marvel and/or impact on human life.
NOAA’s top global climate events were, in date order:
Drought, India 1900
Drought, India 1907
Drought, China 1907
Drought,. Sahel, Africa, 1910-14
Typhoon, China, 1912
Drought, Soviet Union, 1921-22
Typhoon, China, 1922
Drought, China 1928-30
Flood, Yangtze River, China, 1931
Drought, China 1936
Drought,. Sahel, Africa, 1940-44
Drought, China 1941-42
Great Smog of London 1952
Europe storm surge, 1953
Great Iran flood, 1954
Typhoon Vera, Japan, 1958
Drought, India 1965-67
Cyclone, Bangladesh, 1970
Drought,. Sahel, Africa, 1970-85
North Vietnam flood, 1971
Blizzard, Iran 1972
El Niño, 1982-83
Cyclone, Bangladesh, 1991
Typhoon, Philippines, 1991
Hurricane Mitch, C. Americ., 1998
Concerning the Arctic ice: the low extent at the moment is largely due to the very stormy weather in the Barents Sea and the Kara Sea recently. There has been a large blocking High and extreme cold in northern Europe for a month and a half now (it is -20 centigrade outside as I write this in Southern Sweden which is about 15 degrees below normal).
This has deflected the Atlantic storms north into the Barents Sea area and drifted the ice east and north. This is the reason there is a large area of open water east of Novaya Zemlya.
Also please note that the record (for the season) ice in the Baltic, the Caspian Sea and the Bohai sea, does not count, being too far south.
Paris got a fresh coating of snow overnight, to the delight of my kids.
When will the “weather is not climate department” issue an update on the UAH ch05 graph? The next few days are bound to be very exciting. Will the line representing 2010 temperature anomaly go under the 20 year record line or will it continue doing what no line has ever done before?
Freak weather conditions and/or abnormal weather patterns
Wait a minute… didn’t it also say seen 30 years ago? There is nothing ‘freak’ or ‘abnormal’ about this. It’s just that we have a 60 year cycle that swapped from a warm 30 year half cycle to a cold 30 year half cycle. So it’s 1950 again and we’re going to be cold for the next 30 years.
Cue the AGW folks that they need to roll out the 1970’s “Ice Age Is Coming” props and change all their “evil CO2 causes warmth” signs to “evil particulates causes cold”… AGW is just SOOoo last millenium… AGC is all the rage now 😉
Oh the perils of using a 30 year averaging / baseline in systems with 60 year, 80 year, 178 year, even several hundred year cycles in it…
pat (18:43:17),
You misunderstand my post. I have no concern about China emitting CO2, or modernizing. I was pointing out the fallacy of their per capita argument, and the fact that they do not use pollution mitigation on their power plants, thus dumping huge amounts of soot around the world.
The last point is a real problem. No doubt China will say that we did the same thing, and they would be right. But we voluntarily cleaned up our act, while China cares only about money. Pollution abatement costs money, so they don’t use the technology.
In addition, compared with today little was known about pollution prior to WWII – the wind simply blew it away. But after WWII we industrialized very heavily, and cities like Pittsburgh became filled with airborne pollution.
So we fixed the problem. But even with a trillion U.S. dollars in the bank, China will not do the right thing.
A friend of mine travels to China frequently on business. His descriptions of the rampant air, water and other pollution are incredible. He wears one of those masks whenever he’s outside, and when he comes in there’s a black outline of his nose and mouth. Raw industrial sewage is dumped straight into the lakes and rivers. The average Chinese hates it, but since money is all-important to the Chinese, and always trumps their environment, nothing is ever cleaned up.
It’s the same with the atmosphere that we all share. China couldn’t care less that they’re sending megatons of industrial soot around the world every day. If avoiding pollution mitigation makes them a few more yuan, then to hell with it. That’s their attitude.
And that attitude is just fine with the hypocritical enviro lobby, who never seem to point out the damage China is doing to the planet.
Man has allways had problems understanding processes lasting longer than a lifetime. Not to mention when it lasts shorter than, say, a microsecond.
Therefore we have difficulties understanding the effect of the enourmous deep-sea currents.
Hansen is right on that; There is indeed heat in the pipeline.
But its not in the CO2. Its in the deep sea currents.
The problem is ; Everything above -273.15 Kelvin is heat.
You just dont know whether the heat in the pipeline is above or below the level humanity would like it to be.
We dont even know what level we would like it to be.
tarpon (14:11:24) : Is this the same ice marked in red on the GISS temperature reports?
Well, the sea is only red up near Russia, down near China the latest map shows only a deep amber:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2009&month_last=12&sat=4&sst=1&type=anoms&mean_gen=12&year1=2009&year2=2009&base1=1951&base2=1980&radius=1200&pol=reg
that’s a +1/2 to +1 C range. Probably no more than 50 year record warmth.
Now Alaska, that’s a very deep red. Up in the +4 to +7.2 C range. Clearly headed to Palm Tree Land at great speed. Maybe those Chinese can all take vacations in Alaska to warm up? … Just like the whole Arctic Ice Cap (or should I say “Arctic Sauna & Beach Club”. ) Why, other than the area near Fargo, South Dakota and Siberia, the whole darned planet is shades of hot, darned hot, hotter, and Satanic Hot. At least, per the GISS map…
So all you folks waking on frozen water, just cut it right out! You’re spoiling the ‘specialness’ of the effect…
Or, put another way: Since we KNOW that there is ice and snow all over the Northern Hemisphere right now, yet The Map shows rosy reds, clearly the answer is:
But It’s A Warm Snow! (and now: But it’s a warm ice… )
Take a look at that map, it is a nice warming glow…
“Smokey (02:59:07) :”
Well, the developed world did all their “polluting” ages ago. China/India are just doing what England, Europe and the US did to build their economies. And the “west” did not volunteer to “clean up”, it was forced into action, which was a good thing. Only problem now is that with all the environmental laws, they’ve shifted mfg to China/India. Funny that!
And talking of raw sewage discharge, there is one country I know of, even lived in and know the local authorities where I lived also dumped raw, untreated sewage into the local river systems and as the “authority” didn’t apply for a “permit” from the “environment court”, was fined. Who pays? rate payers of course! This country is New Zealand. So not only China!
E.M.Smith (02:58:38) :
Dead right! Look at the cooling experience by China in the period 1940-1969 – Figure 9 here: http://diggingintheclay.blogspot.com/2010/01/mapping-global-warming.html
These are maps of Station Temperature Trends – not anomalies or actual temperature.
More ice just means global warming is worse than they thought.
Smokey 17:07:20 — “The real problem is particulate pollution – soot. About one third of all airborne pollution on the U.S.-Canadian-Mexican west coast comes straight from China. That kind of pollution causes real health issues, unlike harmless and beneficial CO2.”
Ah, Smokey. Always right on the money. Always clarifying. There now are so many commenters (a marker of fine growth and development on WUWT) I haven’t read your contributions as regularly. I have missed them, and your wisdom.