Guest post by John A
It’s always a difficult place for me to deal with interviews with Michael Mann, because on previous occasions Mann gets to say ridiculous things and get praised for them by fawning interviewers. One of the great mysteries of climate science is why Mann never gets interviewed by an informed and intelligent interviewer in command of the facts – or maybe it isn’t such a mystery after all.
Today’s journalistic pulpit was provided by “Faye Flam” and published on Philly.com
For openers, Mann hasn’t lost his touch for the paranoid conspiracy theory:
Though he has been accused of dodging the press, Mann, 44, agreed readily to an interview on a bitterly cold day last week. The campus was deserted, as almost everyone was away for winter break. Mann was affable and calm as he answered the assertions of his critics.
The hardest part for him, he said, is having his integrity questioned. Scientists, he said, are “not trained to deal with these kinds of attacks.”
“My suspicion is, this has been orchestrated at a high level,” he said of the hacking.
What? Where? This is Michael Mann, famous for questioning the integrity of others (especially if their surname begins with “Mc”) in the most lurid terms yet when he’s caught out orchestrating boycotts of scientific journals, journalists and scientists who dare peek at his data and methodology, undermining and subverting the whole scientific process, it’s all a big conspiracy.
Now I have to reach for the Mylanta:
Mann points out that the hockey stick is not widely seen as a smoking gun implicating human activity in global warming. And it was not the giant graph used in Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth. That was a graph of the carbon dioxide component of our atmosphere – which also is rising sharply.
Erm. The Hockey Stick was shown on AIT but misrepresented by Gore as “Dr Thompson’s Thermometer”.

All of this was worked out in November 2007 on Climate Audit but for some reason “Faye Flam” can’t get a clue. What do you expect from journalists? Background research? Basic checking?
Here’s Steve McIntyre’s replication of the AIT graph using the Hockey Stick, the CRU temperature record and some free software:

Look similar, Faye?
Another gulp of antacid, please:
The paper that contained the first hockey stick appeared in 1998, with a more complete reconstruction in 1999. Mann said he was surprised it got so much news coverage. After the first paper, he said, he was asked by the Clinton administration to advise the president on climate change for the 1999 State of the Union address.
He was just shocked, shocked when he phone started ringing off the hook. Yeah, right.
That’s when Mann said he realized the hockey stick had taken on a life of its own.
In 2006, U.S. Rep. Joe Barton (R., Texas), a global-warming skeptic, commissioned an investigation into the hockey stick papers, led by statistician Edward Wegman of George Mason University.
Woah! Woah Faye! Back off a little! In between 1999 and 2006 Mann was Lead Author of the key chapter on paleoclimate of the IPCC Third Assessment Report which featured the Hockey Stick no less than SIX TIMES. Why is he surprised at the reaction to the Hockey Stick, Faye? Helloooo?
Wegman said Mann made a mistake in the way he centered the data in the graph. He suggested that Mann and his colleagues were brash young researchers who should have gotten more help on their math.
Now here’s where I get most annoyed – the willingness of journalists to selectively misquote and misrepresent historical documents or allow their interviewees to misrepresent them. Nowhere did Wegman suggest that the Hockey Team were “brash young researchers who should have gotten more help with their math”. What he actually said and put into the Congressional record was this:
While the work of Michael Mann and colleagues presents what appears to be compelling evidence of global temperature change, the criticisms of McIntyre and McKitrick, as well as those of other authors mentioned are indeed valid.
“Where we have commonality, I believe our report and the [NAS] panel essentially agree. We believe that our discussion together with the discussion from the NRC report should take the ‘centering’ issue off the table. [Mann’s] decentred methodology is simply incorrect mathematics …. I am baffled by the claim that the incorrect method doesn’t matter because the answer is correct anyway.
Method Wrong + Answer Correct = Bad Science.
and furthermore Wegman’s Team did a stand-up job showing that the peer-review process was likely to have been short-circuited:
It is important to note the isolation of the paleoclimate community; even though they rely heavily on statistical methods they do not seem to be interacting with the statistical community. Additionally, we judge that the sharing of research materials, data and results was haphazardly and grudgingly done. In this case we judge that there was too much reliance on peer review, which was not necessarily independent.
Of course, now we know that such short-circuiting was entirely deliberate – it was subverted by Mann and his friends in Rocky Mountain High places. Did you read the emails, Faye? No.
Mann’s friends certainly like to rally to the cause, demonstrating that some people have no shame:
A different picture is painted by statistician Douglas Nychka, who examined Mann’s work as part of a similar panel assembled by the National Academy of Sciences, also in 2006. “There are some things that he could have done better, but there’s no fatal flaw,” said Nychka. “There’s nothing that would make you discount the whole analysis.”
Hey Doug! Did you read the Wegman Report? He said the Mann Analysis was “bad science” and “incorrect mathematics” so which part of that didn’t you understand?
Nychka, who works for the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., said the paper became so controversial because it was misinterpreted as proof that humans cause global warming.
Now, where did we get that idea? Who could have misinterpreted it and why didn’t Mann warn them? Think, think…

And Nychka manages to re-saddle several hobby-horses and send them stampeding:
Nychka said he would like to see Wegman and Mann’s other critics create their own graphs of past climates: “Why don’t they come back with a positive contribution, put some alternative forward?”
Of course, spotting that Mann misused statistics in a horrible way cannot be seen as positive – positive for the integrity of the scientific method, yes – but not positive by people surprised at the publicity of their own badly calculated statistical nonsense portrayed over and over.
I wonder if Hwang woo Suk tried that line with the bloggers who exposed his lies – did he ask them to produce their own stem cell lines before they could criticise him?
But I digress…
The data are all easily available at several sites, said Nychka. Mann, for example, has posted his data leading to the “hockey stick” online through the National Climatic Data Center.
Yes, NOW the data is online. But the methodology and the identification of that data certainly wasn’t because Mann claimed that as his personal property and it took a Congressional Committee to pry it from him. But then you didn’t do any of the background did you Faye?
Since 1998, other people have made their own “paleoclimate” reconstructions. Putting those together, the National Academy report in 2006 created what has been called the spaghetti plot – a chart that superimposes different researchers’ graphs of global temperatures over the last 1,000 years. The spaghetti strands curve up and down, but all rise dramatically in the 20th century. The overall pattern, notes Nychka, is the same.
I think we should let Wegman shoot this lame nag through the head:
Based on the literature we have reviewed, there is no overarching consensus on [Mann’s work]. As analyzed in our social network, there is a tightly knit group of individuals who passionately believe in their thesis. However, our perception is that this group has a self-reinforcing feedback mechanism and, moreover, the work has been sufficiently politicized that they can hardly reassess their public positions without losing credibility.
It is clear that many of the proxies are re-used in most of the papers. It is not surprising that the papers would obtain similar results and so cannot really claim to be independent verifications.
Different researchers, but all of them connected directly to Mann and used the same proxies over and over. It’s not independence as we know it, Doug.
And then to Climategate. Faye is obviously well out of her depth and sinking fast
Mann recalls a Friday night when a colleague alerted him that the hackers had tried to expose the e-mails on RealClimate, the blog he founded with another climatologist.
Over the ensuing weeks, pundits have shifted their focus from one set of e-mail exchanges to another, dubbing the issue “climategate.” First, the spotlight shone on an exchange between two other researchers referring to a “trick” Mann had used in plotting his data.
But not even Mann’s critics can cite any evidence of deception in the now doubly investigated hockey stick papers. The term trick, said Mann, described a technique he used to display his data.
Again this fascination with deception, but I’m willing to bet this is Mann misrepresenting what actually happened with a journalist too lazy to check facts.
Other pundits criticized Mann and colleagues for agreeing to shun the journal Climate Research after it published work by climate-change skeptics. Mann said the particular article was bad science and was “polluting” the journal.
Pundits, Faye? They were scientists including the editor of the journal.
The article finishes with a tear-jerker:
There is still much debate over how big a role human activity plays in the current warming trend, and how the future will be affected. Climate science – and earth science in general – is not expected to make the kinds of sharp predictions that chemists and physicists can make with repeated experiments. “It would be nice if we could do controlled experiments,” Mann said. “But we have only one Earth.”
Yes, and all of these nasty questions make baby Jesus cry.
I wonder why newspapers are sinking fast into the mud of history and then Faye Flam arrives to remove the wonder.
Excellent article! The mainstream media is, in the UK at least, beginning to show some cracks in its solid adherance to CAGW, including an interviewer recently grilling the CEO of the Met Office over its inability to forecast this snowy Dec-Jan until it was upon us, when commercial forecasters got it right months ago. As an aside, it is interesting to note that the CEO of the UK Met office is a former UK head of the WWF!
Keep up the good work, the truth will ultimately be recognised by a majority of citizens. Sadly, mainstream political parties here are still joined at the hip with warmist loonies; I guess the chance to invent ‘green’ taxes which will disappear into the black hole that the UK economy has become is too good for them to want to recognise truth and sanity.
JohnA, great post. Instead of reaching for the Mylanta, maybe you need some of that calcium carbonate from the echinoderms. Sorry, Anthony. Lol!
Flim Flam
http://blowerwhistle.com
A whistleblower is a person who raises a concern about wrong doing occurring in an organization or body of people
Sharon (12:25:15) :
I’ve heard that it’s *always* sunny in Philadelphia! That might explain Faye’s bias toward purveyors of statistics that prove AGW is real.
She must have had a hard time denying the snowstorm in mid October.
“Early (Earliest) Snow – October 15-16, 2009
A very heavy and wet snow fell across Central Pennsylvania during the daytime on Thursday the 15th and all night into Friday the 16th of October, 2009.
This storm was noteworthy for two reasons:
1) This storm made the earliest measurable snow of any winter season on record in many places.
2) This storm produced a large amount of damage to trees (which also downed power and telephone lines) across much of the northern mountains and even down into State College.”
Andy (13:40:14) :
“Journalism majors are usually in the back of the class with the education majors. Why did you expect she would know what she was talking about?”
According to another commentator she has these credentials:
“Faye Flam (’88) B.S., geophysics, Caltech”
That means she is either very lazy or an outright liar. Either way she should be called on it. I for one am getting sick of being fed lies by the MSM, especially lies designed to strip my wealth from me and give it to billionaires, and that is what CAGW is all about.
thethinkingman (21:41:26) :
“So . . the AGW crowd changed from Global Warming to climate change because the facts didn’t fit too well with the warming thing . . .
Now we are changing our attack from AGW to Catastrophic AGW . . .
Come on people, have we become so insecure we have to build parachutes “just in case” ?”
Finally some one has noticed.
This is an example of what I refer to as rope ladders. These are devices which are employed to give the fraudulent scientists an escape root. Much the same way as concentrating on temperature has done. If we destroy the greenhouse gas theory and show conclusively that CO2 does not trap heat, which of course it does not, then we remove all escape routes and all those who have helped AGW fraud along the way will be caught in the headlights, pants down.
These people do not deserve an escape route, they have shown themselves to be far too dangerous. The time has come to come clean about CO2 and accept that it does not trap heat. Once we take this step we will finally be able to draw a line under AGW fraud.
Blago Shampoo deal? “I’m gonna wash that Mann right out of my hair?”
This is one of those cases where if they’d just kept everything open and aboveboard the entire time… it would not even be an issue, and would have never gotten this far.
Where is my post?
[Reply: You just posted it one minute ago. It’ been approved now. ~dbs, mod.]
Anthony,
Send a copy of this post to her and especially her editor and point out that corrections to the article are required. It’s not much, but enough of these things will put her competence and credibility in doubt with the boss. That’s the only way to get better reporting.
What’s with the name? Faye Flam reminds me of names like Scoop McCoy from the early movies.
This Flim, I mean Faye Flam is just like mann. She had her answers before she did the math because they were “correct”.
Wrong Wrong + Answer “Correct” = Bad Journalism.
Maybe someone should photoshop a tin foil hat onto the picture of Mann at the top. 😉
Cuz it’s a high level conspiracy. Maybe even aliens involved!
Interesting article from 2007:
http://www.phillymag.com/articles/science_al_gore_is_a_greenhouse_gasbag/
Eric @ur momisugly 07:28:16
I wonder if Mann uses an Anti Radiation Safety Enhancing Wideband Insulating Phone Extender for the same reason..
http://blort.meepzorp.com/fenestration/arsewipe.jpg
Eric @ur momisugly 07:28:16
Or maybe Mann has yet to be abducted by aliens and needs to join Non-Abductees Anonymous
When Michael was very young, his mother said to him, “Michael, if you keep on telling lies like that, you will grow up to be a climate scientist!”
Actually, we are just too naive. We believe that people will detect Mann’s evasions and diversions. His approach has served him well so far, he is very unlikely to stop now.
Mann is a doofus only interested in the psychology of the MSM. Jones doesn’t know what is going on anymore and doesn’t understand the math. Hansen is only a political figure now. I actually believe that Gavin may be smart. Which makes me think that he knows the truth. Seeing RC though, makes me doubt that he would ever roll over.
Politicians cost lives (05:36:01)
The time has come to come clean about CO2 and accept that it does not trap heat
You have touched an interesting issue: Indeed CO2 it is endothermic (sucks in heat) only when reacting, as when forming a carbonate, and this means that IT TRAPS HEAT WHEN “SEQUESTERED”!!! (precisely what money’s counterfeiters want: to print money out of nothing, paying carbon credits for a penny and selling them for a million to carbon polluters, a variation of the “plastic money” scheme-making money without going to jail-)
Well, now the whole damned world knows what kind of crap we suffer in the Delaware Valley in lieu of a legitimate big-city newspaper. The Philadelphia Inquirer and its tabloid North Broad Street stablemate, The Philadelphia Daily News, have been spiking the Climategate story with stakhanovite enthusiasm from the moment it broke in November.
Big suppressio veri, suggestio falsi in Center City.
Not at all surprisingly, the reader responses on the papers’ Web site – Philly.com – have been overwhelmingly condemnatory of Ms. Flam’s Mann-slurping article and of these rags’ general editorial denial of the AGW fraud in general.
You’d think these ex-journalism school jerkwads could buy a clue, couldn’t you?
JonesII (08:44:12) :
There’s that ladder I was talking about.
NO SUBSTANCE CAN TRAP HEAT.
On another thread, R. Courtney has been arguing for the need to propose adaptation measures as a means to let politicians back away from AGW gracefully. But it looks to me that the theory in this paper would do a better job of getting them off the hook.
Oops–I indented the last paragraph instead of de-indenting it.
Since RC got a heads-up on these e-mails a few days earlier than our side, Mann might have been expected to have had even earlier warning.
Looking at this from a different perspective, it appears that Dr. Mann is following in the illustrious footsteps of Major Hubert-Joseph Henry (the French Intelligence officer who manufactured evidence to frame Captain Dreyfus), Senator Christopher Dodd, Sr. (caught stealing campaign funds for personal use), Michael Bellesiles (who doctored many of the sources in his book, Arming America, so he could claim that guns were a rarity along the US frontier), Louise Woodward (an au pair accused of slamming her young charge against the side of his crib, causing serious head injuries), and of course O. J. Simpson.
What all these characters have in common is that none of them will ever admit to any wrongdoing. The tactic seems to be to keep fencing against your opponents until they are worn out or lose interest. Working in their own defense, these people can perform feats that probably few of us could match (both Dodd and Woodward gave spell-binding performances, one in the US Senate chambers, the other on the witness stand). Now, Michael Mann appears intent on demonstrating that he is quite up to the high standards of his predecessors.
Unfortunately, I haven’t come up with a good name for this particular species of humankind (and since I don’t feel like sitting on this comment until I think of one, I’ve decided not to try any longer). I did think of Artists of Deceit and Artists of Disimulation, but these strike me as too broad. If anyone else has a better idea, I’d be interest to hear it.