The Unbearable Complexity of Climate

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Figure 1. The Experimental Setup

I keep reading statements in various places about how it is indisputable “simple physics” that if we increase the amount of atmospheric CO2, it will inevitably warm the planet. Here’s a typical example:

In the hyperbolic language that has infested the debate, researchers have been accused of everything from ditching the scientific method to participating in a vast conspiracy. But the basic concepts of the greenhouse effect is a matter of simple physics and chemistry, and have been part of the scientific dialog for roughly a century.

Here’s another:

The important thing is that we know how greenhouse gases affect climate. It has even been predicted hundred years ago by Arrhenius. It is simple physics.

Unfortunately, while the physics is simple, the climate is far from simple. It is one of the more complex systems that we have ever studied. The climate is a tera-watt scale planetary sized heat engine. It is driven by both terrestrial and extra-terrestrial forcings, a number of which are unknown, and many of which are poorly understood and/or difficult to measure. It is inherently chaotic and turbulent, two conditions for which we have few mathematical tools.

The climate is composed of six major subsystems — atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere, lithosphere, biosphere, and electrosphere. All of these subsystems are imperfectly understood. Each of these subsystems has its own known and unknown internal and external forcings, feedbacks, resonances, and cyclical variations. In addition, each subsystem affects all of the other subsystems through a variety of known and unknown forcings and feedbacks.

Then there is the problem of scale. Climate has crucially important processes at physical scales from the molecular to the planetary and at temporal scales from milliseconds to millennia.

As a result of this almost unimaginable complexity, simple physics is simply inadequate to predict the effect of a change in one of the hundreds and hundreds of things that affect the climate. I will give two examples of why “simple physics” doesn’t work with the climate — a river, and a block of steel. I’ll start with a thought experiment with the block of steel.

Suppose that I want to find out about how temperature affects solids. I take a 75 kg block of steel, and I put the bottom end of it in a bucket of hot water. I duct tape a thermometer to the top end in the best experimental fashion, and I start recording how the temperature changes with time. At first, nothing happens. So I wait. And soon, the temperature of the other end of the block of steel starts rising. Hey, simple physics, right?

To verify my results, I try the experiment with a block of copper. I get the same result, the end of the block that’s not in the hot water soon begins to warm up. I try it with a block of glass, same thing. My tentative conclusion is that simple physics says that if you heat one end of a solid, the other end will eventually heat up as well.

So I look around for a final test. Not seeing anything obvious, I have a flash of insight. I weigh about 75 kg. So I sit with my feet in the bucket of hot water, put the thermometer in my mouth, and wait for my head to heat up. This experimental setup is shown in Figure 1 above.

After all, simple physics is my guideline, I know what’s going to happen, I just have to wait.

And wait … and wait …

As our thought experiment shows, simple physics may simply not work when applied to a complex system. The problem is that there are feedback mechanisms that negate the effect of the hot water on my cold toes. My body has a preferential temperature which is not set by the external forcings.

For a more nuanced view of what is happening, let’s consider the second example, a river. Again, a thought experiment.

I take a sheet of plywood, and I cover it with some earth. I tilt it up so it slopes from one edge to the other. For our thought experiment, we’ll imagine that this is a hill that goes down to the ocean.

I place a steel ball at the top edge of the earth-covered plywood, and I watch what happens. It rolls, as simple physics predicts, straight down to the lower edge. I try it with a wooden ball, and get the same result. I figure maybe it’s because of the shape of the object.

So I make a small wooden sled, and put it on the plywood. Again, it slides straight down to the ocean. I try it with a miniature steel shed, same result. It goes directly downhill to the ocean as well. Simple physics, understood by Isaac Newton.

As a final test, I take a hose and I start running some water down from the top edge of my hill to make a model river. To my surprise, although the model river starts straight down the hill, it soon starts to wander. Before long, it has formed a meandering stream, which changes its course with time. Sections of the river form long loops, the channel changes, loops are cut off, new channels form, and after while we get something like this:

Figure 2. Meanders, oxbow bends, and oxbow lakes in a river system. Note the old channels where the river used to run.

The most amazing part is that the process never stops. No matter how long we run the river experiment, the channel continues to change. What’s going on here?

Well, the first thing that we can conclude is that, just as in our experiment with the steel block, simple physics simply doesn’t work in this situation. Simple physics says that things roll straight downhill, and clearly, that ain’t happening here … it is obvious we need better tools to analyze the flow of the river.

Are there mathematical tools that we can use to understand this system? Yes, but they are not simple. The breakthrough came in the 1990’s, with the discovery by Adrian Bejan of the Constructal Law. The Constructal Law applies to all flow systems which are far from equilibrium, like a river or the climate.

It turns out that these types of flow systems are not passive systems which can take up any configuration. Instead, they actively strive to maximize some aspect of the system. For the river, as for the climate, the system strives to maximize the sum of the energy moved and the energy lost through turbulence. See the discussion of these principles here, herehere, and here. There is also a website devoted to various applications of the Constructal Law here.

There are several conclusions that we can make from the application of the Constructal Law to flow systems:

1. Any flow system far from equilibrium is not free to take up any form as the climate models assume. Instead, it has a preferential state which it works actively to approach.

2. This preferential state, however, is never achieved. Instead, the system constantly overshoots and undershoots that state, and does not settle down to one final form. The system never stops modifying its internal aspects to move towards the preferential state.

3. The results of changes in such a flow system are often counterintuitive. For example, suppose we want to shorten the river. Simple physics says it should be easy. So we cut through an oxbow bend, and it makes the river shorter … but only for a little while. Soon the river readjusts, and some other part of the river becomes longer. The length of the river is actively maintained by the system. Contrary to our simplistic assumptions, the length of the river is not changed by our actions.

So that’s the problem with “simple physics” and the climate. For example, simple physics predicts a simple linear relationship between the climate forcings and the temperature. People seriously believe that a change of X in the forcings will lead inevitably to a chance of A * X in the temperature. This is called the “climate sensitivity”, and is a fundamental assumption in the climate models. The IPCC says that if CO2 doubles, we will get a rise of around 3C in the global temperature. However, there is absolutely no evidence to support that claim, only computer models. But the models assume this relationship, so they cannot be used to establish the relationship.

However, as rivers clearly show, there is no such simple relationship in a flow system far from equilibrium. We can’t cut through an oxbow to shorten the river, it just lengthens elsewhere to maintain the same total length. Instead of being affected by a change in the forcings, the system sets its own preferential operating conditions (e.g. length, temperature, etc.) based on the natural constraints and flow possibilities and other parameters of the system.

Final conclusion? Because climate is a flow system far from equilibrium, it is ruled by the Constructal Law. As a result, there is no physics-based reason to assume that increasing CO2 will make a large difference to the global temperature, and the Constructal Law gives us reason to think that it may make no difference at all. In any case, regardless of Arrhenius, the “simple physics” relationship between CO2 and global temperature is something that we cannot simply assume to be true.


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Peter
December 28, 2009 7:11 am

jorgekafkazar (20:31:08) :
“gtrip (20:00:23) : ‘Where do the proles fit in?’
jorgekafkazar: north prole at the top, south prole at the bottom.”
Don’t forget about the ozone prole hovering over the South prole

Anders L.
December 28, 2009 7:13 am

“It turns out that these types of flow systems are not passive systems which can take up any configuration. Instead, they actively strive to maximize some aspect of the system.”
Natural systems do not “actively strive” to achieve anything.
” As a result, there is no physics-based reason to assume that increasing CO2 will make any difference to the global temperature, and the Constructal Law gives us reason to think that it may make no difference at all.”
In that case, I think it is wise to stick to old-fashioned math and physics for the time being.
As far as I am concerned, “constructal law” is just a longer word for “God”. And I don’t believe in God.

December 28, 2009 7:21 am

[Reply: You are welcome to submit your own article explaining how well computer climate models work. ~dbstealey, mod.]
My friend’s computer model was used to design all the wings of Boeing aircraft since the 767 in the 70’s, which is as relevant as Willis’s analogies! Water flowing downhill tries to get there as fast as possible which would mean following a brachistochrone and this is supposed to tell us something about the response of the climate to CO2? (By the way Willis a response of 3º to a doubling of [CO2] is not a “simple linear relationship”, it’s logarithmic).

DirkH
December 28, 2009 7:25 am

“Dave vs Hal (23:57:26) :
A complex system with negative feedbacks maintaining an equilibrium. Sounds suspiciously like the G… word (the earth behaving like a simple organism). Life co-evolved with this planet and it wouldn’t surprise me if some of the feedbacks are biological. […]”
Of course. A very interesting area here is Phytoplankton. Imagine all the oceans full of gazillion algae. With thousands of different species. All of the time they’re mutating, evolving and adapting. Some species become more plentiful, others rarer. So the composition of the entirety of the phytoplancton changes all the time. What would you expect, that it adapts toward any change very quickly or not?
It would be fascinating to incorporate this into a computer model. Oh, and clouds.

Pat Moffitt
December 28, 2009 7:26 am

Willis- I thought the article quite good. The scientist in me forces me to play Devil’s Advocate. If we increase the sediment load to a river- the river responds by seeking a new equilibrium state-basically the river channel widens in response to the new load. Increasing sediment load causes wider river channels- it does not cause channels to evolve a narrower cross section. (Ths is another area of flawed models- if I recall the best models with perfect input of sediment load, hydraulic inputs,geology etc can predict a natural river channel’s width to about +/_ 50%)
Why could a claim not be made using this analogy (replace CO2 for sediment) that increasing CO2 will produce undefined changes in the climate system but always in the direction of higher temperatures? I know the reasons why- I’m just looking at the applicability of using the analogy in some future debate.

Pascvaks
December 28, 2009 7:38 am

Humans need “simple” answers to deal with the challanges of life, AGW was a simple answer. Now what?

Dave F
December 28, 2009 7:44 am

Somewhat O/T, but it has previously occurred to me that the MWP may be related to the current warming through cities and roads absorbing IR from the sun and releasing it more slowly than the ground or plants (using photosynthesis) that were there previously. Is it not also the ‘developing’ world that is warming the fastest? What are they developing? Is there a figure for land use forcing?

Bulldust
December 28, 2009 7:54 am

Not sure if this has been posted before but it is a year old, so this might be a repeat:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6613938246449800148&hl=en#
I just got a copy of his latest book (“Chill”) and this is what prompted me to look him up on the intarwebs. I am 50 mins into the video so far and thoroughly enjoying his presentation.

December 28, 2009 7:54 am

Very nice and well written Willis. You’ve done a great job explaining this.
If we assume the CO2 heat capture is the only active element changed in the climate system (i.e. no chemical change effects) then the problem is, how does the atmosphere respond to increased energy input.
Of all things I’m sure of, the climate scientist community has oversimplified the feedback mechanisms far too much. The moisture/cloud feedback is simply not understood and it is absolutely key to the right solution.

Lazarus Long
December 28, 2009 7:54 am

“The results of changes in such a flow system are often counterintuitive. For example, suppose we want to shorten the river. Simple physics says it should be easy. So we cut through an oxbow bend, and it makes the river shorter … but only for a little while.”
I don’t know, U. S. Grant tried to do that on the Mississippi River during the Vickburg campaign, to little result.
On the plus side, it confused the heck out of the Rebs.

alex verlinden
December 28, 2009 8:04 am

Willis,
your first example is a nice and simple image and serves as a really good answer to the BBC’s lord King experiment … a bottle and an alka seltzer is a simple experiment, but how is someone going to calculate your thermometer’s temperature when not only the thermal resistance of your body is impossible to calculate theoretically, but also a unknown amount of positive and negative feedbacks are into play … and moreover, in this problem you are able to do a lot of empirical work … you have the possibility of immobilising yourself for a day, use an extremely sensitive thermometer, and take some readings … how are we going to do an identical experiment with the whole world ?
I remember (vaguely) the “meandering river” from my hydraulics exam (1978) … it was a 5 page calculation that was considered rather difficult to reproduce … but even if complicated, that is small change compared to “calculating” the temperature of the globe 50 years into the future … as you said: “The Unbearable Complexity of Climate”

TJA
December 28, 2009 8:10 am

Chris Mooney “Discovers” that he is mentioned in the climategate emails after assuring us that there was “nothing to see there.”
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/intersection/2009/12/28/my-cameo-in-the-climategate-emails/

Spector
December 28, 2009 8:11 am

At ground level, I believe that most of the greenhouse effect of added carbon dioxide is mitigated by overkill as existing carbon dioxide and water vapor in the atmosphere are already absorbing 100% of most of those radiation wavelengths that would otherwise be affected by the added CO2.
I also wonder if convection might not be the major heat transfer mechanism in the lower atmosphere, below the tropopause. It is my understanding that well over 90 percent of the total mass of the atmosphere is contained below the tropopause. A continued convective heat transfer from the lower atmosphere can only be supported by an equal flow of radiant heat energy from the cloud tops. Perhaps this process is well understood, but with all the doubts that have been raised on the state of the science, I am not so sure.

JonesII
December 28, 2009 8:11 am

BTW: Breaking news: More complexity..
http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.gif
Can anybody tell me what is it happening down there in the south pacific?

tomt
December 28, 2009 8:12 am

Charlie Martin (02:09:30) : You can be willing to bet whatever you want, but the direct effect that CO2 has on temps is known to be logarithmic. That is why even the alarmists talk about a doubling of CO2 talking about smaller increases is to small to bother with. The issue is what are the feedback effects from a doubling of CO2 and what other effects that aren’t well understood are also at play.

alex verlinden
December 28, 2009 8:15 am

Larry (22:15:42) :
thanks for the link …
even if this might be OT, and even if reading or verifying the paper is difficult for us (or better: me), the summary says a lot, if not all, and basically what I would say to anybody trying to quantify or calculate anything as complex as the world’s climate: utterly impossible, and therefore a lot of bollocks !

Syl
December 28, 2009 8:17 am

Charlie Martin (02:09:30) :
“Willis, I suspect this presentation is imprecise in this respect: it implicitly assumes small changes in CO2 concentration. If you were to add a lot of CO2, say doubling or trebling the concentration of CO2, then I’m willing to bet there would be a substantial observed warming. This would be like, in your river analogy, to substantially increasing the flow of water or some how significantly increasing the gradient.”
But don’t forget the logarithmic nature of CO2. As of now we are 108/280 the distance to a doubling which means that the amount of temperature change so far should be closer to half than 1/3 of the expected amount (maybe more-I don’t remember what Lindzen said exactly). If the rise due to CO2 so far is even 0.5C then the full doubling should be no more than 1.1C. It will be the same for the next doubling which would be 560PPM additional CO2, not merely 280 more.
So we could reach 1120 PPM with a temp rise of only about 2.2C.
Maybe. 🙂

Hank Henry
December 28, 2009 8:24 am

I suppose that the specific mechanism of meander formation has to do with the way water cuts the outer curves of a streambank together with something about the way silt moves and deposits in a stream whose current varies. If you think about the way the earth’s heat is moved by things like the gulf stream together with the greater cooling that happens at higher latitudes, one can see how fluctuations in the gulf stream could make for nonlinear oscillating behavior that make models poor predictors of future conditions. It seems akin to the age old “three body problem” of celestial mechanics. In addition to the gulf stream example: variations in clouds, snow cover, land forms, turbulence, wind patterns, and occasional large volcanoes suggest themselves as things that add tremendous complexity to the earth system. It makes one wonder what amount of computer power would be required to produce an adequate model of the earth’s surface. I know that Bill Gray has said that while weather models which use momentum fields will produce credible weather forecasts a few days in advance, when you try to use more realistic energy fields the problem escalates in complexity because you now are in the realm of factors which are squared. I daresay that because earth has continents mixed with oceans, together with an atmosphere, and temperatures that vary across the freezing point of water; the earth’s climate is much more complex and variable than many other planets.

tom t
December 28, 2009 8:31 am

Some of you might assume that this is not a subject for peer reviewed literature and as written in the post it wouldn’t be. But the the subject is. The earth is a non-equilibrium thermodynamic system and as such the complexities make taking about it in terms of simple concepts such as global average temperature almost meaningless.
http://www.reference-global.com/doi/abs/10.1515/JNETDY.2007.001

CodeTech
December 28, 2009 8:32 am

sustainableloudoun (05:38:25) :

First, the ‘author’ demonstrates how all solids are not alike in conducting heat (everyone who has had basic physics understands this). Then the ‘author’ goes on to show how humans (who are over 90% water and have active temperature adjustment mechanisms) don’t seem to follow the same principle. Doh!

At the risk of repeating the obvious, the point the author was making is that your “simple physics” models don’t work on a planetary atmosphere, because it has “active temperature adjustment mechanisms”. See? You only had to make a tiny leap of creativity.

Then he tries to confuse us about gravity and meandering streams. Erosion and deposition are indeed simple processes, but we are not supposed to think about them lest the ‘author’ fails to get his point across.
Based on these poorest of premises, the ‘author’ attempts a distant but failed leap at a conclusion that there is absolutely no way that the climate can be modeled in any shape or form.

One more rather tiny leap of creativity, unfortunately this one requires that you have at least a nodding acquaintance with the concept of “chaos”.

Such is the fodder for little minds, but having both experience in physics and computer modeling, I find such a conclusion to be arm-waving at best, desperate denialism at worst.

You were doing so well, then you fell into name calling and belittling. BTW, “denialism” is not actually a word.

Syl
December 28, 2009 8:36 am

A thoughtful and thought provoking piece. Thank you.
I agree that there is nothing that really shows the climate sensitivity to CO2. When I’ve read some of the analyses of the past concerning CO2, temperature, and climate sensitivity, what I’m left with is a lot of assumptions and the desire to have someone knowledgeable check the statistics. And any paper that uses a climate model to derive a sensitivity conclusion I regard with a gigantic grain of skepticism–again because of assumptions.

Syl
December 28, 2009 8:41 am

Lindsay H (00:15:30) :
“I see Nature is [creating] some new jobs for a new publication Nature Climate Change and are looking for a Chief Editor & Associate Chief Editor”
My initial reaction to this is that the prestigious publication ‘Nature’ wishes to distance itself from the climate change controversy and not have climate change issues interspersed in its flagship magazine. Let the chips fall where they may, but in an offshoot pub. And they may cover their arses by saying the volume of Climate Change papers has simply gotten too large and is crowding out other science.

Invariant
December 28, 2009 8:45 am

Congratulations Willis,
This is the best article I have read here at WUWT. And I agree, it’s particularly annoying to read trivial (but naïve) arguments by so called experts that do not appreciate the complexity of our climate!

David Jones
December 28, 2009 8:46 am

gtrip (21:08:08)
Don’t let yourselves get caught up into what Bradbury called the family; A circle of people connected via the internet that think that they know each other
Sometimes known as “The Team” !!

JonesII
December 28, 2009 8:52 am

CO2 is dead and its graveyard is at Copenhagen. It is just a ghost (which, as you all know means Gas).

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