The Unbearable Complexity of Climate

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Figure 1. The Experimental Setup

I keep reading statements in various places about how it is indisputable “simple physics” that if we increase the amount of atmospheric CO2, it will inevitably warm the planet. Here’s a typical example:

In the hyperbolic language that has infested the debate, researchers have been accused of everything from ditching the scientific method to participating in a vast conspiracy. But the basic concepts of the greenhouse effect is a matter of simple physics and chemistry, and have been part of the scientific dialog for roughly a century.

Here’s another:

The important thing is that we know how greenhouse gases affect climate. It has even been predicted hundred years ago by Arrhenius. It is simple physics.

Unfortunately, while the physics is simple, the climate is far from simple. It is one of the more complex systems that we have ever studied. The climate is a tera-watt scale planetary sized heat engine. It is driven by both terrestrial and extra-terrestrial forcings, a number of which are unknown, and many of which are poorly understood and/or difficult to measure. It is inherently chaotic and turbulent, two conditions for which we have few mathematical tools.

The climate is composed of six major subsystems — atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere, lithosphere, biosphere, and electrosphere. All of these subsystems are imperfectly understood. Each of these subsystems has its own known and unknown internal and external forcings, feedbacks, resonances, and cyclical variations. In addition, each subsystem affects all of the other subsystems through a variety of known and unknown forcings and feedbacks.

Then there is the problem of scale. Climate has crucially important processes at physical scales from the molecular to the planetary and at temporal scales from milliseconds to millennia.

As a result of this almost unimaginable complexity, simple physics is simply inadequate to predict the effect of a change in one of the hundreds and hundreds of things that affect the climate. I will give two examples of why “simple physics” doesn’t work with the climate — a river, and a block of steel. I’ll start with a thought experiment with the block of steel.

Suppose that I want to find out about how temperature affects solids. I take a 75 kg block of steel, and I put the bottom end of it in a bucket of hot water. I duct tape a thermometer to the top end in the best experimental fashion, and I start recording how the temperature changes with time. At first, nothing happens. So I wait. And soon, the temperature of the other end of the block of steel starts rising. Hey, simple physics, right?

To verify my results, I try the experiment with a block of copper. I get the same result, the end of the block that’s not in the hot water soon begins to warm up. I try it with a block of glass, same thing. My tentative conclusion is that simple physics says that if you heat one end of a solid, the other end will eventually heat up as well.

So I look around for a final test. Not seeing anything obvious, I have a flash of insight. I weigh about 75 kg. So I sit with my feet in the bucket of hot water, put the thermometer in my mouth, and wait for my head to heat up. This experimental setup is shown in Figure 1 above.

After all, simple physics is my guideline, I know what’s going to happen, I just have to wait.

And wait … and wait …

As our thought experiment shows, simple physics may simply not work when applied to a complex system. The problem is that there are feedback mechanisms that negate the effect of the hot water on my cold toes. My body has a preferential temperature which is not set by the external forcings.

For a more nuanced view of what is happening, let’s consider the second example, a river. Again, a thought experiment.

I take a sheet of plywood, and I cover it with some earth. I tilt it up so it slopes from one edge to the other. For our thought experiment, we’ll imagine that this is a hill that goes down to the ocean.

I place a steel ball at the top edge of the earth-covered plywood, and I watch what happens. It rolls, as simple physics predicts, straight down to the lower edge. I try it with a wooden ball, and get the same result. I figure maybe it’s because of the shape of the object.

So I make a small wooden sled, and put it on the plywood. Again, it slides straight down to the ocean. I try it with a miniature steel shed, same result. It goes directly downhill to the ocean as well. Simple physics, understood by Isaac Newton.

As a final test, I take a hose and I start running some water down from the top edge of my hill to make a model river. To my surprise, although the model river starts straight down the hill, it soon starts to wander. Before long, it has formed a meandering stream, which changes its course with time. Sections of the river form long loops, the channel changes, loops are cut off, new channels form, and after while we get something like this:

Figure 2. Meanders, oxbow bends, and oxbow lakes in a river system. Note the old channels where the river used to run.

The most amazing part is that the process never stops. No matter how long we run the river experiment, the channel continues to change. What’s going on here?

Well, the first thing that we can conclude is that, just as in our experiment with the steel block, simple physics simply doesn’t work in this situation. Simple physics says that things roll straight downhill, and clearly, that ain’t happening here … it is obvious we need better tools to analyze the flow of the river.

Are there mathematical tools that we can use to understand this system? Yes, but they are not simple. The breakthrough came in the 1990’s, with the discovery by Adrian Bejan of the Constructal Law. The Constructal Law applies to all flow systems which are far from equilibrium, like a river or the climate.

It turns out that these types of flow systems are not passive systems which can take up any configuration. Instead, they actively strive to maximize some aspect of the system. For the river, as for the climate, the system strives to maximize the sum of the energy moved and the energy lost through turbulence. See the discussion of these principles here, herehere, and here. There is also a website devoted to various applications of the Constructal Law here.

There are several conclusions that we can make from the application of the Constructal Law to flow systems:

1. Any flow system far from equilibrium is not free to take up any form as the climate models assume. Instead, it has a preferential state which it works actively to approach.

2. This preferential state, however, is never achieved. Instead, the system constantly overshoots and undershoots that state, and does not settle down to one final form. The system never stops modifying its internal aspects to move towards the preferential state.

3. The results of changes in such a flow system are often counterintuitive. For example, suppose we want to shorten the river. Simple physics says it should be easy. So we cut through an oxbow bend, and it makes the river shorter … but only for a little while. Soon the river readjusts, and some other part of the river becomes longer. The length of the river is actively maintained by the system. Contrary to our simplistic assumptions, the length of the river is not changed by our actions.

So that’s the problem with “simple physics” and the climate. For example, simple physics predicts a simple linear relationship between the climate forcings and the temperature. People seriously believe that a change of X in the forcings will lead inevitably to a chance of A * X in the temperature. This is called the “climate sensitivity”, and is a fundamental assumption in the climate models. The IPCC says that if CO2 doubles, we will get a rise of around 3C in the global temperature. However, there is absolutely no evidence to support that claim, only computer models. But the models assume this relationship, so they cannot be used to establish the relationship.

However, as rivers clearly show, there is no such simple relationship in a flow system far from equilibrium. We can’t cut through an oxbow to shorten the river, it just lengthens elsewhere to maintain the same total length. Instead of being affected by a change in the forcings, the system sets its own preferential operating conditions (e.g. length, temperature, etc.) based on the natural constraints and flow possibilities and other parameters of the system.

Final conclusion? Because climate is a flow system far from equilibrium, it is ruled by the Constructal Law. As a result, there is no physics-based reason to assume that increasing CO2 will make a large difference to the global temperature, and the Constructal Law gives us reason to think that it may make no difference at all. In any case, regardless of Arrhenius, the “simple physics” relationship between CO2 and global temperature is something that we cannot simply assume to be true.


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MrAce
December 28, 2009 10:58 am

“REPLY: “weather” is known to be chaotic. Climate is a long term collection of weather events, so it stands to reason that it is also chaotic, but on a longer, slower time scale. – Anthony”
Averages in chaotic systems can be pretty stable. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LogisticMap_BifurcationDiagram.png
My guess is that the averages in our climate will be pretty stable too, when the forcings are unchanged. Forcings being: solar radiation, albedo, greenhous gasses, ocean currents, vegetation etc.

RJ
December 28, 2009 11:00 am

“I find it hard to believe that people don’t see something is happening.”
There’s something happening here
What it is ain’t exactly clear
there’s a man with a hockey stick over there
tellin’ me I got to beware

December 28, 2009 11:02 am

Good article Willis, good discussion from all. We geologists have been taking the climate guys to task for years about oversimplification and treating dynamic systems as static. This comes from the profession that has proven mastery in the creation of oversimplified models. dennis

Hank Henry
December 28, 2009 11:03 am

ThinkingBeing makes a fair point. Nothing in the example of the meandering stream negates the basic principal that water still seeks the lowest level. I suppose the basic principal that he would like skeptics to confront is that because of basic principals of physical chemistry there must be a degree of warming from any increase in a so called “greenhouse gas.” I personally agree that this is where the rubber meets the road; namely, the degree of warming to expect from a doubling of CO2. I also believe that most of the direst predictions result from speculations about positive feedbacks such as increases in methane from melting permafrost and reduced albedo due to lessened snow cover. I can speculate too though. Perhaps there is a homeostatic “iris effect” at work where warmer temperature makes for more clouds and more clouds make for less sunlight and less sunlight makes for less insolation – resulting in a cooling effect. Frankly I don’t know and I’m wondering if anyone else really does have a firm grasp in a quantitative way of the positive and negative feedbacks. There’s just too much human imagination at play when you get into the topic of the feedbacks.

Spector
December 28, 2009 11:05 am

I believe there is a big difference between the public perception of the effect of increasing CO2, as presented by the popular media and films like “An Inconvenient Truth” and that understood by climate scientists — even those who believe this poses a dangerous problem. I believe the activist public perception is that CO2 is a linear climate forcing climate factor and we absolutely must hold the line at 350 ppm to prevent a global catastrophe.
From what I have seen, the scientists readily admit that the basic forcing factor is logarithmic. They may argue over the amount, 1, 3, or 6 degrees Celsius each time the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is doubled and whether this effect will be enhanced by positive feedback or diminished by natural compensation, but the logarithmic relation is readily admitted. Reports of recent studies that I have seen on the web seem to suggest the effect is closer to the low end of the range.
[As I type this, I am hearing a ‘Please save the magnificent polar bears from extinction, stop global warming now.’ TV spot appeal.]

December 28, 2009 11:09 am

I take exception to one part, where W.E. says climate is chaotic.
Edward Lorenz (in the Danz Lectures) said he didn’t know whether it was or not.
In one sense, it is antichaotic. If a mathematically chaotic system can show big changes in output for tiny changes in input, then that does not describe Earth climate, which seems to show small changes in outputs even for large changes in inputs.
Considering the range of temperatures that are possible, the range of those ever achieved is tiny.

crosspatch
December 28, 2009 11:10 am

An official of the India Meteorological Department (IMD) in Delhi said: “It looked a little uncertain on Saturday, but Sunday’s further fall seems to have sealed the deal, with the minimum temperature likely to be around 10 degrees Celsius by Wednesday. It could turn out to be the coldest Calcutta winter ever.”

Has Al been to India lately?

JonesII
December 28, 2009 11:12 am

P Gosselin (09:32:46) : Try not to laugh: Bolivian president Evo Morales and his partners, Hugo Chavez, etc. are calling for a new and urgent International Climate Conference of the “peoples of the earth”….
http://www.erbol.com.bo/noticia.php?identificador=2147483922037
(in spanish but you can use google translator)

Galen Haugh
December 28, 2009 11:17 am

We’ve seen some pretty good graphs of the Antarctic ice core data, as here:
http://www.daviesand.com/Choices/Precautionary_Planning/New_Data/
What they looked at in detail was the temperature variations based on isotopes, CO2 in the entrapped bubbles, and the amount of dust in the ice.
I’ve seen very few presentations showing the dust component. Why, I don’t know. However, I finally found a graph that included the dust component:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok-ice-core-petit.png
(I apologize for the wikipedia reference but I believe the graph is valid.)
One article offered a detailed graph that shows that as climate temperatures get colder, dust goes up.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v452/n7187/fig_tab/nature06763_F3.html
Indeed, The Little Ice Age was dusty:
http://antarcticsun.usap.gov/science/contentHandler.cfm?id=1481
The interpretation I’ve heard (and I agree with it), is that a warmer climate means less desert from which dust can be blown. This squares with the fact that as temperatures rise and CO2 increases, plant life flourishes and deserts are turned into vegetation-supporting ecosystems. The above reference states: “We propose that the observed 25-fold increase in glacial dust flux over all eight glacial periods can be attributed to a strengthening of South American dust sources, together with a longer lifetime for atmospheric dust particles in the upper troposphere resulting from a reduced hydrological cycle during the ice ages.”
This is quite different from what the AGWers are saying. They’re telling us that deserts will increase as temperatures increase. Well, as a geologist I tend to believe the past is the key to the future, and if warmer periods contribute less dust (less deserts) to the ice layers while colder periods show more dust (more deserts), I have a hard time getting all worried about increased CO2.
Why are they countering geologic history?
At the same time, studies of China over the past 20 years have seen a 25% increase in foodstuff production because of increased CO2. Plants tend to need less water when CO2 increases, so there is an overall “greening” of China and this greening is more pronounced in the more arid parts of that country.
And this “greening” isn’t limited to China—it is happening over most of the world. And that’s a good thing.

niphredilflower
December 28, 2009 11:19 am

Wow what a marterpiece, I think this article should be essential reading for anyone of influence.
Amazing that something that seems so obvious – i.e. the complexity and caotic behaviour of the climate, should be so amazingly overlooked and ridiculed.
I’m a flat earther cos I know its more complex than that… amazing.
Nice aricle

Glenn
December 28, 2009 11:24 am

RJ (10:20:33) :
Par5: “Arrhenius also concluded that the sun was made of coal, and that the earth was less than ten thousand years old.”
“Can Par5 or anyone else provide a reference for this? Does anyone here doubt or dispute the claim?”
Neither, but closer to not doubting the possibility. Arrhenius said some pretty bizarre things, such as Venus being 117F and plants growing.
http://books.google.com/books?id=xd2-nYXa-HUC&pg=PA130&lpg=PA130&dq=Arrhenius+Only+low+forms+of+life+are+therefore+represented&source=bl&ots=f1VqW13kRf&sig=ye9_JCY7EnIdK53TsGthi-P0i_c&hl=en&ei=Ifs4S9WqNJDMsgOPmKjWAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAwQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Arrhenius%20Only%20low%20forms%20of%20life%20are%20therefore%20represented&f=false

Galen Haugh
December 28, 2009 11:25 am

May I add that at 150 ppm CO2, plants stop uptake. That means we die because they die. Note that CO2 levels during glacial periods got down to 180 ppm, so the earth’s plants were barely able to breathe. Now at 200 ppm CO2, plants do better, but they do much better at 1000 ppm. Maybe it’s from living in the frigid north, but I wouldn’t mind having a wetter climate with plants growing luxuriously all around. It sure beats shoveling all that white stuff.

Brad Gagnon
December 28, 2009 11:30 am

Willis your article is the best I have read in 2009. Cheers, to your work.

Dave F
December 28, 2009 11:35 am

Seeing much in the above conversation about feedbacks, I wondered if H2O vapor has a logarithmic effect like CO2 on temperature. Does it?

Steve Hempell
December 28, 2009 11:39 am

Willis Eschenbach
Thanks very much for your comments and the time you took to do them. I viewed that video at approx 1am so was somewhat brain dead. Have copied your comments and will look at the video again.
Now, if I could get your view on the validity of http://justdata.wordpress.com/. Know I am being pushy on this but would like to put it to bed if it is garbage.

December 28, 2009 11:41 am

Thanks Willis. It is so encouraging and refreshing to see someone explain clearly the workings of Complex Adaptive Systems and far from Equilibrium non-linear states. I am not a scientist but have done a lot of work with Complexity Theory in the Social Sciences. Your piece here comfirms that there is one key number missing in the whole AGW debale and that is THE magnitude of CLIMATE SENSITIVITY to CO2. i.e. What is the effcect of a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere? We are told anything from 0.6C to 6.0C. (A huge variation). Unless and until this is settled, then there is no way the science can be settled.
It is noteworthy that one of the original pioneers of chaos theory was Edward Lorenz, who was also a pioneer of climate models.
He discovered what is known as the ‘Strange attractor’, which I htink you hint at in your post. ‘The strange attractor’ depicts systems that are stable, confined, and yet never do exactly the same thing twice, like schools and weather systems and the climate. They never repeat their trajectory or behaviour exactly. Each event, each interaction, each end-state, each process is never precisely identical to any other. The most famous strange attractor is the ‘Lorenz attractor’, whose publication in 1963 marked the start of chaos theory. It is a marvellously shaped series of spirals with two bifurcating wings looking like a butterfly.
‘It is this silent swerving from accuracy by an inch that is the uncanny element in everything. It seems a sort of secret treason in the universe’. (G.K.Chesterton)
‘We must have a little chaos in us to give birth to a dancing star’. (Friedrich Nietsche)

Allan M
December 28, 2009 11:44 am

Willis Eschenbach (11:00:03) :
At that point I couldn’t stand it any longer, and I turned it off. You’ll have to tell me how it comes out. My conclusion is that if you believe temperature change is mostly from CO2, you will interpret data that gives possible CO2 values from zero to 3700 ppmv as supporting your cause. And if you check this “observational data” with models that believe warming is mostly from CO2, they will tell you that it is mostly from CO2 … be still my beating heart.
I find that the nutters always have proof; the rest of us just have evidence.
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rantingcynic (10:42:27) :
I find it hard to believe that people don’t see something is happening.
Good grief, we mustn’t allow anything to happen; something might go wrong; a cat’s astrophe even.
If nothing is happening we may have to rethink the Third Law of Thermodynamics!

rbateman
December 28, 2009 11:45 am

The only evidence I see from the IPCC is that they have signaled the death of the long-range forecast as a useful tool. They have pretty much destroyed all confidence in such.

Clive
December 28, 2009 11:49 am

Willis .. thanks again.
This idea is way less technical, but another ” thought” concept I’ve used a couple of times..and been posted here previously. It has to do with the mega volumes of the oceans and simply asks, “How can driving my car and heating my house affect THAT much water?” … from my notes … I calculated how much ocean water there is for every person on earth…
For the purpose trying to form a mental image of this volume of water it is suitable to say “there are about 200,000,000 cubic meters of sea water per person on earth.” That is equivalent to a lake that measures 10 meters deep by 4,000 meters (4 km) by 5,000 meters (5km).
A “lake” for a family of five therefore has about 1 billion cubic meters of seawater. This a body of water that is 10 meters deep by 10,000 meters (10 km) by 10,000 meters (10 km).
It is a lot of water.

Compared to the sun and clouds, I just can’t see me (or a family) having much of an effect over time.
Thanks again.
Clive

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