Geomagnetic Forcing of Earth’s Cloud Cover During 2000-2008?
Guest post by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.

I’ll admit to being a skeptic when it comes to other skeptics’ opinions on the potential effects of sunspot activity on climate. Oh, it’s all very possible I suppose, but I’ve always said I’ll start believing it when someone shows a quantitative connection between variations in global cloud cover (not temperature) and geomagnetic activity.
Maybe my skepticism is because I never took astronomy in college. Or, maybe it’s because I can’t see or feel cosmic rays. They sound kind of New Age to me. After all, I can see sunlight, and I can feel infrared radiation…but cosmic rays? Some might say, “Well, Roy, you work with satellite microwave data, and you can see or feel those either!” True, but I DO have a microwave oven in my kitchen…where’s your cosmic ray oven?
Now…where was I? Oh, yeah. So, since I’ve been working with 9 years of global reflected sunlight data from the CERES instrument flying on NASA’s Terra satellite, last night I decided to take a look at some data for myself.
The results, I will admit, are at least a little intriguing.
The following plots show detrended time series of monthly running 5-month averages of (top) CERES reflected shortwave deviations from the average seasonal cycle, and (bottom) monthly running geomagnetic Ap index values from the NOAA Space Weather Prediction Center. As I understand it, the Ap index is believed to be related to the level of cosmic ray activity reaching the Earth. (I will address the reason for detrending below).
Note that there is some similarity between the two plots. If we do a scatterplot of the data (below), we get an average linear relationship of about 0.05 W per sq. meter increase in reflected sunlight per 1 unit decrease in Ap index. This is at least qualitatively consistent with a decrease in solar activity corresponding to an increase in cloud cover.
(I’ve also shown a 2nd order polynomial fit (curved line) in the above plot for those who think they see a nonlinear relationship there.)
But just how big is this linear relationship seen in the above scatterplot? From looking at a 70-year plot of Ap data (originally from David Archibald), we see that the 11-year sunspot cycle modulates the Ap index by at least 10 units. Also, there are fairly routine variations on monthly and seasonal time scales of about 10 Ap units, too (click on image to see full-size):
When the 10 Ap unit variations are multiplied by the 0.05 scale factor, it suggests about a 0.5 W per sq. meter modulation of global reflected sunlight during the 11 year solar cycle (as well as in monthly and yearly variations of geomagnetic activity). I calculate that this is a factor of 10 greater than the change in reflected sunlight that results from the 0.1% modulation of the total solar irradiance during the solar cycle.
At face value, that would mean the geomagnetic modulation of cloudiness has about 10 times the effect on the amount of sunlight absorbed by the Earth as does the solar cycle’s direct modulation of the sun’s output. It also rivals the level of forcing due to anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions, but with way more variability from year to year and decade to decade. (Can anyone say, “natural climate variability”?)
Now, returning to the detrending of the data. The trend relationship between CERES reflected sunlight and the Ap index is of the opposite sign to that seen above. This suggests that the trend in geomagnetic activity during 2000-2008 can not explain the trend in global reflected sunlight over the same period of time. However, the ratio of the trends is very small: +0.004 Watts per sq. meter per unit Ap index, rather than -0.045. So, one can always claim that some other natural change in cloud cover is overpowering the geomagnetic modulation of cloudiness. With all kinds of climate forcings all mingled in together, it would be reasonable to expect a certain signal to emerge more clearly during some periods, and less clearly during other periods.
I also did lag correlation plots of the data (not shown), and there is no obvious lag in the correlation relationship.
All of this, of course, assumes that the observed relationship during 2000-2008 is not just by chance. There is considerable autocorrelation in the reflected sunlight and geomagnetic data, which I have made even worse by computing monthly running 5-month averages (the correlation strengths increased with averaging time). So, there are relatively few degrees of freedom in the data collected during 2000-2008, which increases the probability of getting a spurious relationship just by chance.
All of the above was done in a few hours, so it is far from definitive. But it IS enough for me to keep an open mind on the subject of solar activity affecting climate variations. As usual, I’m just poking around in the data and trying to learn something…while also stirring up some discussion (to be enjoyed on other blogs) along the way.
UPDATE (12:30 p.m. 10 December 2009)
There is a question on how other solar indices compare to the CERES reflected sunlight measurements. The following lag correlation chart shows a few of them. I’m open to suggestions on what any of it might mean.
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Leif Svalgaard (04:40:51)
Lighten up Leif, hope your day in SF goes well.
rbateman (18:56:47) :
Ray (08:22:34) :
This is the largest one I have seen so far:
at/near the South Solar Pole
http://www.robertb.darkhorizons.org/COMP_A_latest.jpg
and the corresponding weaker one at/near the North Solar Pole
http://www.robertb.darkhorizons.org/COMP_B_latest.jpg
Good observation there Rob.
tallbloke (05:19:46) :
I’ve found out from this paper that heating by magnetic induction works from the surface inwards rather than the core outwards:
On the Heat Produced in Iron and Steel by Reversals of Magnetization
Now that is interesting.
PJMM are you following?
[Dave Wendt (03:44:54) :
The back and forth that goes on here is what I’ve appreciated most about WUWT. We all set off in pursuit of knowledge, but rarely achieve it. Perhaps, in the end, the best we can hope for is the ability to ask better questions.]
{tallbloke (04:06:30) :I think of it as ‘being confused on a higher plane’. :-)}
Yes, I think your both on the money here.
Inquiry is a power tool to finding the truth, but often ignored when belief and complacency get in the way.
Our climate displays so much deterministic chaos that it often impossible to discover the right questions to ask. Amongst the complex dissonance, quasi-cyclic behaviour can be observed, but an understanding of the effects of the inter-related mechanisms is difficult to achieve.
In an age where people demand certainties, I think it’s good to have a few hard problems to stimulate the brain.
This is, perhaps, why people come back to WUWT time and time again. Keep up the good work Anthony & the team, and thank you all again for the hard work and your dedication to the truth.
“Now that is interesting.
PJMM are you following?”
I think so. Its getting more interesting. Later I will read more because now Im working. 😉 In a completely different subject.
Thanks a lot. I will follow as I can.
Leif Svalgaard (04:40:51) :
tallbloke (01:06:01) :
Can you appreciate the value of following lines of investigation even if an a priori dismissal within the constraints of currently accepted knowledge is plausible?
This is where you go wrong. There is no a priori dismissal and no rancor. Since what you propose is extraordinary, it requires extraordinary evidence. You [and others] have not provided any, so the claims must be dismissed.
I think this goes to the heart of the issue. I am merely following interesting lines of investigation, but you think I’m ‘making claims’. I’m not. Look at my blog by clicking on my name. I’m just presenting the correlations I’ve found, coming up with ideas for experiments and throwing it open for comment. No grandiose claims, no pet theory, just open debate and free exchange of ideas. All I ask is that I’m allowed to do that without people shouting “Astrologer” “Pseudo-scientist” “Numerologist” “Heretic” etc at me. There’s just no need for it.
Maybe it’s just the internet changing things. I’m talking about my lines of investigation in public, and welcoming comment and input. In the past, scientists tended to play their cards close to their chests until they were ready to publish. I believe we’ll achieve more, faster, by collaborating and sharing. I don’t care if there is one or a hundred names on the paper that finally gets published, I’m content just to have contributed in my own way.
Carla (06:24:21) :
tallbloke (05:19:46) :
I’ve found out from this paper that heating by magnetic induction works from the surface inwards rather than the core outwards:
On the Heat Produced in Iron and Steel by Reversals of Magnetization
Now that is interesting.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Skin effect is the tendency of an alternating electric current (AC) to distribute itself within a conductor so that the current density near the surface of the conductor is greater than that at its core. That is, the electric current tends to flow at the “skin” of the conductor, at an average depth called the skin depth. The skin effect causes the effective resistance of the conductor to increase with the frequency of the current because much of the conductor does little. Skin effect is due to eddy currents set up by the AC current. At 60 Hz in copper, skin depth is about a centimetre. At high frequencies skin depth is much smaller.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_field
“the electric and magnetic fields are not completely separate phenomena; what one observer perceives as an electric field, another observer in a different frame of reference perceives as a mixture of electric and magnetic fields. For this reason, one speaks of electromagnetism or electromagnetic fields.”
Oooer, relativity, now we’re in trouble. 🙂
[snip – you might want to rephrase your reply to Dr. Svalgaard or take it off WUWT to private email – Anthony ]
Anthony,
I find it hard to believe that a forum will snip-censor some minor comments like I made but it then openly questions the science community at large, and even it’s creditability on some occasions. Very odd and very selective. But no surprise considering how the good old boy system works. Leif brings them in around here so he’s protected. But he can throw around the term nonsense in regards to others peoples comments, which I replied to, and you have no problem with this.
REPLY: Your beef with Dr. Svalgaard is personal, take it to private email. I don’t want person to person fights breaking out here. My prerogative. – A
tallbloke (07:06:51) :
I am merely following interesting lines of investigation, but you think I’m ‘making claims’. I’m not. Look at my blog by clicking on my name. I’m just presenting the correlations I’ve found, coming up with ideas for experiments and throwing it open for comment.
I have no beef with your blog, but with the assertion that my behavior was ‘as bad as them’. I have forgotten even what it was all about, but comments on somebody’s behavior [in casu: mine] are not called for, that was all.
PJMM (04:31:32) “Gravitacional forces is enouph to sustain sincronism between solids and gases? Or the air circulation is affected because solids change velocity an gases have kinetic energy like water? […] If not is only air circulation changed by Jerks or LOD? And changes in High and Low atmosferic presures?”
Interesting questions.
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PJMM (04:31:32) “[…] if the low magnetic solar activity induces changes in the earth core and induces jerks, for example, what effects have in the gases in atmosfere?”
Reading the works of Russian scientist Yu.V. Barkin can eliminate the apparent need to imagine forces to which some refer as mag(net)ic.
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tallbloke, your 30 year lag is nothing more than the orbital period of Saturn. (This same issue about (mis)interpreting lags came up during the thread about Perry’s work.) I suggest that you read the works of Russian scientist Yu.V. Barkin sooner rather than later. I stand not against your cheerful interest in solar system dynamics etc., but rather against your (seeming) insistence that the sun is where most of the (terrestrial climate) money is.
I enjoy your enthusiasm & *spark* in these threads. You stimulate the discussion, so I always scan for your name in every [science-oriented] WUWT thread.
(Note: I am not saying there is no [as in zero] solar effect.)
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My impression is that many contributors to this thread have cause & effect backwards – (a more precise diagnosis is more complicated than what I have time for). I again encourage people to think about what is affecting decadal geomagnetic patterns besides the sun. [Anecdote: I find variables that, for example, lead geomagnetic activity by 39 months – and I’m not talking about trivial, insignificant correlations …and to be clear: I am not talking about solar variables. I’m not presenting my findings at this time as there are serious data-homogenization issues which I need to explore in detail …so hardcore skeptics have grounds for dismissing this whole bracketed comment.]
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PJMM (04:31:32) “[…] maybe the cause is low magnetic activity […]”
Maybe magnetic activity is like the low-gas light that comes on just before my car stalls (i.e. an indicator of something else…)
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Re: Jack in Oregon (22:01:39)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles
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Tenuc (06:38:13) “In an age where people demand certainties […]”
Are we witnessing the slow & tortured death of paths to enlightenment? …Operational optimism demands believing otherwise..
“Reading the works of Russian scientist Yu.V. Barkin can eliminate the apparent need to imagine forces to which some refer as mag(net)ic.”
Thanks a lot for your tip. I will read too.
Apologies if this has already been posted. Interesting link from commenter “Global Cooling” in this Telegraph article on December 15, 2009
at 09:47 AM
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/Solar_Cycles_24_and_25_and_Predicted_Climate_Response_22nd_October.pdf
found in comments here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/steve-jones/6812466/Atmospheric-change-is-part-of-the-the-Earths-history.html
Paul, thanks for that. OK OK, I’ll read some Barkin!
I also enjoy your contribution and intriguingly cryptic hints.
Leif,
You called me out and I rose to the bait and said something which annoyed you as much as you had annoyed me. I already apologised for my bit so I don’t think I need to do that again.
we’re both bigger people so we don’t need to drag out any kind of animosity. Life’s too short and we like each other really.
This time will pass, Leif.
Elevation
PJMM, should we start at the FOK ring current?
CCMC has a desktop widget available. You may find this intersting to monitor PJMM.
Available for Mac and PC.
http://ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov/downloads/widget.php
Can’t do a polar watch with out it.
tallbloke, like reading you dude.
Kid named Johnny Lang had this song called, RACK EM Up, lyrics have a line that says, “aint no sin in being beaten by a master.” rack em up
Kids got a great band and rocks this song off.
Signature debut was “Lie to Me.’
Used to go out with a guy who had a bachelors in Micro Biology, family had a pool table when he was growing up, so did mine. Never won a game of pool with the guy. One time, he scratched on the eight ball, so I technically won. But if you had seen the execution of the shot…..well.
“CCMC has a desktop widget available. You may find this intersting to monitor PJMM.
Available for Mac and PC.
http://ccmc.gsfc.nasa.gov/downloads/widget.php
Can’t do a polar watch with out it.”
Thank you very much. For an amateur this is very useful. Thanks again Carla.
I was reading Barking and he gives a lot of good material. But looks to me that I didnt reach some material that I think he published. Especially concerning air masses changes, that he refers sometimes, without more deeply insigth. And the oceans too. I was looking in his spanish institute but I didnt find nothing. (I read spanish better than english.) If someone has some tips to me, how to get more barkin´s works, I will be thankfull.
Anyway, In my free time I´m getting like a new education on that subject. I thank to all and mr. Watts in particular to give space to laymen like me. 😉