Breaking News Story: CRU has apparently been hacked – hundreds of files released

UPDATE: Response from CRU in interview with another website, see end of this post.

The details on this are still sketchy, we’ll probably never know what went on. But it appears that University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit has been hacked and many many files have been released by the hacker or person unknown.

UPDATED: Original image was for Met Office – corrected This image source: www.cru.uea.ac.uk

I’m currently traveling and writing this from an airport, but here is what I know so far:

An unknown person put postings on some climate skeptic websites that advertised an FTP file on a Russian FTP server, here is the message that was placed on the Air Vent today:

We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to

be kept under wraps.

We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code, and documents

The file was large, about 61 megabytes, containing hundreds of files.

It contained data, code, and emails from Phil Jones at CRU to and from many people.

I’ve seen the file, it appears to be genuine and from CRU. Others who have seen it concur- it appears genuine. There are so many files it appears unlikely that it is a hoax. The effort would be too great.

Here is some of the emails just posted at Climate Audit on this thread:

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=7801#comments

I’ve redacted email addresses and direct phone numbers for the moment. The emails all have US public universities in the email addresses, making them public/FOIA actionable I believe.


From: Phil Jones

To: mann@vxxxxx.xxx

Subject: Fwd: John L. Daly dead

Date: Thu Jan 29 14:17:01 2004

From: Timo H‰meranta

To:

Subject: John L. Daly dead

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:04:28 +0200

X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510

Importance: Normal

Mike,

In an odd way this is cheering news ! One other thing about the CC paper – just found

another email – is that McKittrick says it is standard practice in Econometrics journals

to give all the data and codes !! According to legal advice IPR overrides this.

Cheers

Phil

“It is with deep sadness that the Daly Family have to announce the sudden death of John

Daly.Condolences may be sent to John’s email account (daly@john-daly.com)

Reported with great sadness

Timo H‰meranta

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Timo H‰meranta, LL.M.

Moderator, Climatesceptics

Martinlaaksontie 42 B 9

01620 Vantaa

Finland, Member State of the European Union

Moderator: timohame@yxxxxx.xxx

Private: timo.hameranta@xxxxx.xx

Home page: [1]personal.inet.fi/koti/hameranta/climate.htm

Moderator of the discussion group “Sceptical Climate Science”

[2]groups.yahoo.com/group/climatesceptics

“To dwell only on horror scenarios of the future

shows only a lack of imagination”. (Kari Enqvist)

“If the facts change, I’ll change my opinion.

What do you do, Sir” (John Maynard Keynes)

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Prof. Phil Jones

Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0)xxxxxx

School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) xxxxxx

University of East Anglia

Norwich Email p.jones@xxx.xx.xx

NR4 7TJ

UK

—————————————————————————-

References

1. http://personal.inet.fi/koti/hameranta/climate.htm

2. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/climatesceptics


From: Phil Jones

To: ray bradley ,mann@xxxxx.xxx, mhughes@xxxx.xxx

Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000

Cc: k.briffa@xxx.xx.xx,t.osborn@xxxx.xxx

Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,

Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or

first thing tomorrow.

I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps

to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from

1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual

land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land

N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999

for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with

data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.

Thanks for the comments, Ray.

Cheers

Phil

Prof. Phil Jones

Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) xxxxx

School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) xxxx

University of East Anglia

Norwich Email p.jones@xxxx.xxx

NR4 7TJ

UK

—————————————————————————-


From: Jonathan Overpeck

To: “Michael E. Mann”

Subject: letter to Senate

Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:49:31 -0700

Cc: Caspar M Ammann , Raymond Bradley , Keith Briffa , Tom Crowley , Malcolm Hughes , Phil Jones , mann@xxxxx.xxx, jto@xxxxx.xx.xxx, omichael@xxxxx.xxx, Tim Osborn , Kevin Trenberth , Tom Wigley

Hi all – I’m not too comfortable with this, and would rather not sign – at least not

without some real time to think it through and debate the issue. It is unprecedented and

political, and that worries me.

My vote would be that we don’t do this without a careful discussion first.

I think it would be more appropriate for the AGU or some other scientific org to do this –

e.g., in reaffirmation of the AGU statement (or whatever it’s called) on global climate

change.

Think about the next step – someone sends another letter to the Senators, then we respond,

then…

I’m not sure we want to go down this path. It would be much better for the AGU etc to do

it.

What are the precedents and outcomes of similar actions? I can imagine a special-interest

org or group doing this like all sorts of other political actions, but is it something for

scientists to do as individuals?

Just seems strange, and for that reason I’d advise against doing anything with out real

thought, and certainly a strong majority of co-authors in support.

Cheers, Peck

Dear fellow Eos co-authors,

Given the continued assault on the science of climate change by some on Capitol Hill,

Michael and I thought it would be worthwhile to send this letter to various members of

the U.S. Senate, accompanied by a copy of our Eos article.

Can we ask you to consider signing on with Michael and me (providing your preferred

title and affiliation). We would like to get this out ASAP.

Thanks in advance,

Michael M and Michael O

______________________________________________________________

Professor Michael E. Mann

Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall

University of Virginia

Charlottesville, VA 22903

_______________________________________________________________________

e-mail: mann@xxxxxx.xxx Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) xxx-xxxxx

http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml

Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:EOS.senate letter-final.doc (WDBN/MSWD) (00055FCF)

Jonathan T. Overpeck

Director, Institute for the Study of Planet Earth

Professor, Department of Geosciences

Mail and Fedex Address:

Institute for the Study of Planet Earth

715 N. Park Ave. 2nd Floor

University of Arizona

Tucson, AZ 85721

direct tel: +xxxx

fax: +1 520 792-8795

http://www.geo.arizona.edu/Faculty_Pages/Overpeck.J.html http://www.ispe.arizona.edu/


It appears that the proverbial Climate Science Cat is out of the bag.

Developing story – more later

UPDATE1: Steve McIntyre posted this on Climate Audit, I used a screen cap rtaher than direct link becuase CA is overloaded and slow at the moment.

UPDATE2: Response from CRU h/t to WUWT reader “Nev”

http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/11/hadleycru-says-leaked-data-is-real.html

The director of Britain’s leading Climate Research Unit, Phil Jones, has told Investigate magazine’s TGIF Edition tonight that his organization has been hacked, and the data flying all over the internet appears to be genuine.

In an exclusive interview, Jones told TGIF, “It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago that someone had hacked into our system and taken and copied loads of data files and emails.”

“Have you alerted police”

“Not yet. We were not aware of what had been taken.”

Jones says he was first tipped off to the security breach by colleagues at the website RealClimate.

“Real Climate were given information, but took it down off their site and told me they would send it across to me. They didn’t do that. I only found out it had been released five minutes ago.”

TGIF asked Jones about the controversial email discussing “hiding the decline”, and Jones explained what he was trying to say….

UPDATE3: McIntyre has posted an article by Jean S at climateaudit.org which is terribly overloaded. We have mirrored it.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/20/mikes-nature-trick/


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Anonymouse
November 24, 2009 6:13 pm

Bonnie,
Thank you for your comment and defense of my comment. I had no idea what Mr. Bright was doing was an attempt at humor. I deal with people ever day that spout that same thought and attitude.
From my point of view, Bright was telling his opinion.

Jennifer Hubbard
November 24, 2009 9:18 pm

For all those who wonder what we would find if we hacked a climate skeptic’s website, or who defend these e-mails as “science as normal” in terms of behind the scenes communication – I have spent many years doing research based on archived scientific correspondence, and I’ve never seen anything in the twentieth century correspondence of scientists in my chosen area (marine science) communicating with the juvenile vitriol and lack of professionalism revealed by the CRUtape letters. True scientists are gentlemanly and in the past have even assisted the work of scientists whose views they oppose. As for what the skeptics’ e-mails look like: what the heck do you think you’re reading?

November 24, 2009 10:04 pm

Ah, the good ship non sequitur hove into sight, guns blazing at bugger all. From ‘Deb’:
“Hmm, I wonder what embarrassing information we’d find if we hacked the computer records of climate change sceptics (Andrew Bolt in Australia for example) and made the information public? Anyone’s draft documents, from any side of any discussion would look bad, guaranteed”
Whatever dastardly, black composition you may or may not find in a sceptic’s correspondence is completely beside the point.
The discussion is about what HAS been found in the correspondence of scientists who are responsible for dodgy data upon which much of the assessment for GW has been formulated. This includes the data relied upon by the IPCC in their prognostications of doom.
If you are in the Warmaholic camp, just tell people why they should believe the hysterical outpourings from that side of the argument when they are based on junk science.

Deb
November 24, 2009 11:25 pm

@jennifer Hubbard and @Allen Lyne,
Looks like comments here can only be in agreement to yours huh? If generalisations – “True scientists are gentlemanly” (you’re a scientific researcher?: don’t make me laugh) and emotive statements – “hysterical outpourings” are the only comments allowed, it’s no wonder sceptics have a poor reputation and lack of credibility. I’m off to a well-balanced discussion elsewhere.

November 24, 2009 11:54 pm

Al Gore’s “AIT” was on the other nite. Not seen it yet. One of the hockey stick guys said, “this graph charts 1000 years of temperature change, and the graph doesn’t lie.” My girlfriend said see? see? I said, “What does that prove? 1000 years? Big deal. The earth is over 4 billion years old. Charting 1000 year trend of anything on a 4 trillion year old eco system is like measuring the last 30 seconds of a patient’s medical data to examine a lifetime of chronic illness. It’s just stupidity. You don’t need secret email communications to figure out that the fix is in. The deep core drilling segment in AIT is my favorite… the scientist stated outright: over the last 20,000 years there have been _dozens_ (repeat= DOZENS) of _quote_ “UNEXPLAINED” periods of rapid temperate change for which science has to date found no explanation.
And this statement is in Al Gore’s own movie.
Besides… already on “mainstream” news sites the SIXTY megabytes of email data is being described as “a few emails”….
Turn off the media. Use your common sense.
If any of the hackers are reading this though…. nice hack guys.
Major respect!!!!!

Tom Bright
November 24, 2009 11:58 pm

Should I apologize for a childish post about a government crackdown on the hackers who exposed the open secret of all those grant seekers? I suggested revoking ration cards, withholding health care and canceling retirement income, at least one of which (food) I admit I cadged from dear Ayn.
The worldwide mania to mandate death by a thousand economic cuts in the name of saving the planet is not the only crackpot plan being rushed right now into law. Before it’s removed, download “Principles for allocation of scarce medical interventions” (The Lancet, Jan 31, 2009, p. 423) by Govind Persad, Alan Wertheimer and Ezekiel J. Emanuel.
The graph on P. 438 suggests virtual death sentences based on age alone. Under one year old? Over fifty? It’s your time to sleep with the fishes.
Other criteria are used right now, today, in England’s National Health Service, the model for our new system. The paper lists Lottery; First-Come, First-Served; Sickest First; Youngest First; Save the Most Lives; Prognosis or Life-Years; Instrumental Value; and Reciprocity, all of which sound harmless enough.
At the risk of all our eyes glazing over, allow me to quote, word for word, one of many troubling ideas, this one under Instrumental Value: “… prioritses specific individuals to enable or encourage future usefulness … where a specific person is genuinely indispensable in promoting morally relevant principles, instrumental value allocation can be appropriate.” Yes, welcome to Chicago style, where thumbs judiciously on the scales can and will be buried deep, but it will be there. Getting your life saved at the expense of others will not be outlawed, just transferred from achievers to the politically connected.
Is this merely a fringe article, one whose thoughts will never be implemented? You may recognize the third author, whose brother Rahm is our current President’s chief of staff.
As Robespierre learned too horribly, when committees may decide life and death, those who benefit or even rule today may face the snarling mob tomorrow. From the death panels we are assured are not in today’s exact version of the new, thousand-page law (a latecomer to the Thousand Year Reich?), it is but a few quick steps to jolly public shows urging oldsters to step off smartly to make place for the young ones, then denying inexpensive appendectomies to pensioners to get them fortuitously off the dole roll, then outright mandating cutting off food rations when one’s calendar strikes Old.
According to the keen and well-placed Zeke, Old happens precisely at fifty.

MB
November 25, 2009 12:56 am

Pappekak: Let’s not become guilty of judging the content based on the personality presenting it.
The fact is that Glenn beck reaches 10’s of millions of people, what he says gets heard. How many millions of US voters do you think are reading this blog?!

Charles. U. Farley
November 25, 2009 1:07 am

txt.1255550975
From: Tom Wigley
To: Kevin Trenberth
Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:09:35 -0600
Cc: Michael Mann , Stephen H Schneider , Myles Allen , peter stott , Philip D. Jones , Benjamin Santer , Thomas R Karl , Gavin Schmidt, James Hansen , Michael Oppenheimer
Kevin,
I didn’t mean to offend you. But what you said was “we can’t account
for the lack of warming at the moment”. Now you say “we are no where
close to knowing where energy is going”. In my eyes these are two
different things — the second relates to our level of understanding,
and I agree that this is still lacking.
Tom.
++++++++++++++++++
Kevin Trenberth wrote:
> Hi Tom
> How come you do not agree with a statement that says we are no where
> close to knowing where energy is going or whether clouds are changing to
> make the planet brighter. We are not close to balancing the energy
> budget. The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the
> climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless
> as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not! It is a
> travesty!
>
> Tom Wigley wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> At the risk of overload, here are some notes of mine on the recent
>> lack of warming.
txt.1255538481
From: Phil Jones
To: Tom Wigley
Subject: Re: FYI–“Phil Jones and Ben Santer respond to CEI and Pat Michaels attack on temperature data record”
Date: Wed Oct 14 12:41:21 2009
Cc: Ben Santer
Tom,
What you’d need to point this out is a pdf of his thesis! Or is there a paper where
the thesis is referred to?
I recall Pat wasn’t very good at writing stuff up. There was one paper about warming in
Alaska that I recall either you or me reviewing. It related to surface warming in Alaska
and the borehole from Lachenbruch/Marshall (?) from about 1986.
With the pdf you wouldn’t need to say that much, as it is as you say stupid to leave the
Trend in with the rest of the variance.
Did the NCDC info help you sort out that data. Tom P told me that they don’t infill
certain areas in early decades, so there is missing data. Tom P isn’t that keen on the
method. He rightly thinks that it discourages them from looking for early data or including
any new stuff they get – as they have infilled it, so it won’t make a difference. It won’t
make a difference, but that isn’t the point.
Cheers
Phil
At 02:45 14/10/2009, Tom Wigley wrote:
Dear folks,
You may be interesting in this snippet of information about
Pat Michaels. Perhaps the University of Wisconsin ought to
open up a public comment period to decide whether Pat Michaels,
PhD needs re-assessing?
txt.1254832684
From: Phil Jones
To: Andrew Manning
Subject: Re: Fwd: Co2 Data
Date: Tue Oct 6 08:38:04 2009
Andrew,
Getting a bit fed up with these baseless allegations.
You could point out several things to Martin.
1. Projections aren’t made with observed data – instrumental or paleo. They are made with
climate models.

Kirsty
November 25, 2009 1:15 am

Not only is that email from 1999 but it looks as if it has been majorly edited to me. And doesn’t anybody think that this is a very convenient time for this so called ‘climate change is not our fault, it’s been made up by scienctists evidence’ to be released!!

MB
November 25, 2009 2:58 am

Kirsty:
Yes, the timing is suspicious.
What we need is a full disclosure of all of the data and all of the correspondence and a full and extremely public inquiry on both sides of the pond.
The investigation should include finding out about the hack itself – who did it? Who funded it? Why was it done now rather than earlier?

bruce spivey
November 25, 2009 3:23 am

One need only to read “The Report from Iron Mountain” to know that climate change is political in origin. Al Gore et. al. are simply not original thinkers!

Gail Combs
November 25, 2009 7:07 am

VictorP (11:06:59) :said:
GW skeptic, I find it difficult to believe that Dr. Jones and many of his colleagues have been doing what many people seem to believe they were doing. Let’s wait for Dr. Jones’s explanation and, maybe, an objective investigation before declaring him a crook.
If they have tempered with surface temperature data sets, it would mean a catastrophy for climatology and many other theoretical and applied sciences and their practical applications. This goes beyond and above the global warming controversy. Let’s hope it has not happened.

Victor, I have worked as a chemist in industry for more than 30 years. I have been asked to change, manipulate and down right falsify data on a number of occasions. If upper management has an agenda – honesty goes out the door. That is a fact of life. The only question is if you, as a scientist, will compromise your principles for a pay check.
I even checked with a lawyer in 1979. Someone who is a certified “Professional Engineer” is protected under law, otherwise if the boss asks you to lie you must lie, quit or be fired. Being asked to lie is no defense agains being fired. — GRRrrrr

Pamela Gray
November 25, 2009 7:57 am

Same thing happened to me. Fudging happens lots more than the out-of-the-loop people would like to believe. It was the only reason why I left research. I loved doing it. I loved following the data to wherever it led. And I didn’t care of the results were significant or not significant, it was always fascinating. But I honestly could not stand the terribly bad ethics and the back peddling that happened when I brought it to anyone’s attention. It was a nasty experience.

MB
November 25, 2009 8:05 am

After all that has been revealed, the Guardian is still banging on about doom and gloom climate change and the Copenhagen thing as though nothing happened:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/climate-change
Looks like this is all going to be forgotten and brushed under the carpet.

Starbuck
November 25, 2009 8:12 am
David Fairbairn
November 25, 2009 8:31 am

There is significant and demonstrable distortion in the evidence advanced to support the view that warming is occurring at a level that demands political action.
In the same week we have seen the opening of the Chilcot Enquiry and the revelations about the University of East Anglia and the alleged distortion of climate change statistics.
There is a connection.
Chilcot is reviewing the issue of distortion of evidence of WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction) advanced to justify the declaration of war on Iraq. The issue is one of amplitude. If the WMD available to Saddam Hussain was capablE of only local and low level deployment then there was no case for war. If delivery by ICBM to devastate areas of London was a serious risk then the need for action could be made. The dividing line between the point at which wmd (low-threat) became WMD (serious and actionable) was not precisely defined although it clearly existed.
The climate change issue hinges on the reality of GW (Global Warming). This is in practice quantified as GWC or Global Warming occurring over the period of a Century. It has also been assigned a specific value at which it is deemed to become critical so that major action on an international scale is justified. That level of GWC has been set at 2 degrees C, so that beyond that point gwc (low-threat warming) becomes GWC and action needs to be instituted or reinforced. That is what the Copenhagen meeting is for.
In both cases much depends on the validity of the assessment of the defined value and the determination of when the amplitude reaches the critical level.
Can that assessment be subject to major distortion without departing from reliance upon the truth? In other words is it possible for there to be substantial deception without provable lying?
To answer that let us consider a relevant analogy.
We have in the past formed a company, the Secure Consolidated Automated Machine company or SCAM Ltd. It has traded successfully for two years producing profits of £1m in each year. It has now come unstuck, and shows a loss of £0.5 million in the third year. We need to effect a sale quickly but the ability to do so depends on a critical number. That number is the AP or Annual Profit.
The solution lies in a measure of statistical manipulation. This requires no departure from the truth. What we report is average AP. Over the three years this is £0.5 million per year. Without lying we can therefore conceal that the current reality is a loss of half a million and convey the impression of a profit of that amount.
We can however do better than that. Profit commonly relates to turnover. We have seen the combination of some expansion and inflation yield a 10% growth in revenue in each of the three relevant years. If we therefore make a projection based on these correctly stated facts we can now show a PAP (Projected Annual Profit) ten or so years ahead at the level of £1m. That should make the sale.
We will have avoided any lie but soundly cheated any buyer.
Now let us apply this model to the Climate Change issue. The objective is yield a PGWC figure (projected warming over a century) that exceeds the 2 degree C threshold.
In 1998 that is easy. In the first two decades, or more precisely between 1976 and 1998, there was a measured 0.5 degree C warming. This is the equivalent of our first two years trading at SCAM Ltd. The GWC figure is correctly stated as 2.2 degrees C and exceeds the threshold.
However in the third decade, as in the third year of trading for SCAM Ltd, there is a dramatic downturn. Actual temperature gain as measured by the ground stations recorded by Hadley is only 0.7 of a degree C, or one third of the required level to qualify as GWC rather than gwc. Moreover the more reliable satellite figures show less than half that amount of gain.
We can however tackle the issue as did SCAM Ltd, that is by some manipulation that at no point departs from the truth. The 32 year gain has been 0.57 degrees C and can therefore legitimately be represented as an average GWC over that period of 1.7 degrees C,
This is close to the required 2 degrees C but is capable of further extension by quoting a projected level, as was done in the SCAM prospectus. As gain is associated with CO2 concentration and that has been rising at 2 p.p.m each year we can project a doubling in the century and on that basis double the value we compute as the PGWC figure or projected gain over the century.
This therefore becomes 3.4 degrees C and comfortably exceeds the 2 degree C threshold.
It is of course in one sense a ‘true’ figure, in that it does not depend upon any misstatement of fact, just as the SCAM prospectus adhered to factual data. With current losses of £0.5, SCAM could declare a projected £1m profit. With current warming of less than 0.7 degrees C, the IPCC, based on Hadley representations, can assert a level in excess of 3 degrees C.
It is however a gross distortion of the truth, fully comparable with that which parlayed wmd into WMD and took the world to war on a substantial deception.
Manipulation of data really does matter. We are being offered a false prospectus. This time we should not wait for a Chilcot Enquiry well after the damage is done. Let us insist on the real truth now.

Tom Bright
November 25, 2009 8:44 am

Dear MB —
Exactly! It will indeed be forgotten and brushed under the carpet. And why would it not? The pirate ship now has a full crew of cutthroats, their banners are flying, and they have productive citizenry cornered in the shallows.

MB
November 25, 2009 9:38 am

“Recent global temperatures demonstrate human-induced warming: Over the past 25 years temperatures have increased at a rate of 0.19°C per decade, in very good agreement with predictions based on greenhouse gas increases. Even over the past ten years, despite a decrease in solar forcing, the trend continues to be one of warming. Natural, short-term fluctuations are occurring as usual, but there have been no significant changes in the underlying warming trend.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/25/copenhagen-diagnosis-ipcc-science
Have these people even heard of ClimateGate?

philincalifornia
November 25, 2009 10:10 am

David Fairbairn (08:31:02) :
That analysis is so excellent David and so understandable to the non-scientist that I would urge you, if it’s OK with the moderators, to repost it on a more current thread, such as today’s HARRY thread.

David Fairbairn
November 25, 2009 11:06 am

Philincalifornia
Thanks for the suggestion. I have now posted in Harry’s Place.
My email is dvdfairbairn@googlemail.com and I also have a booklet published on this issue and a policy analysis that can be accessed on these URLs
[snip – these are for pay links – blog policy violation]

Akram
November 25, 2009 2:19 pm

Any interpretation without of hackers work spells “EXHORTION”, and it spells
COMMUNISTS, BATHISTS in any form they care to raise their fazcist heads.
A Freedom revolt against corruption should inspire union thugs to run for the coward’s hole they cqame from

Minion
November 25, 2009 10:09 pm

The offhand remark, above, about the President should give the hacker a medal personally calls to mind that the President has problems of his own and will soon be busy blasting his grandmother with ridicule.
As a much younger woman she witnessed the birth of her grandson IN KENYA!
http://obamacrimes.com/philjberg/BergasRelator/Berg,%20QuiTam%20Complaint%20Exb%20B-D.pdf
Sooner or later your pants fall down and everyone sees you aren’t as big as you said you were.

Bonnie
November 25, 2009 10:43 pm

Thanks, David Fairbairn!!

LanceManco
November 25, 2009 11:37 pm

The most blaring flag that man-made GW is a bunch of crap is the false concern for people and their disapearing habitat. If we as a species are to blame for the problem, and if our distruction is an end, then why would they be concerned about the elimination of the problem? This has always been about power and money. Control what the people do and skim the money as you redistribute it. Problem is, the major population centers of China and India are never going to sign on to any treaty and will continue their ways. So after you have taken any wealth left in the West, China will crush the West and continue polluting. Listen up you whining manatee hugging freaks who still think the end is near, there have been 5 major mass extinction events in the history of the earth. Nothing we can do can stop one. Weather or not we make it through, life will continue.

Keith
November 26, 2009 2:29 pm

Ian Plimer at Adalaide University has been saying this sort of stuff has been going on for years. People like Monbiot have been refusing to enter into public debate and just making the usual expected personal attacks.
I hope this will help in a return to genuine science -but I understand UEA has “lost” all its base data and only has the manipulated figures for what used to be called global warming, and has recently become known as climate change.
Perhaps other “honest” researchers may instead of concentrating on manipulating facts, words and opinions begin the quest for real data and real
answers. Maybe the internet has a role to play in this much needed process.
The trade in carbon emissions is becoming big business – there is money backing both sides of this argument and none of us can honestly claim to have the whole truth.

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