HadCRUT watch

Normally we see the HadCRUT monthly temperature data released by about the 20th of each month. It is now November 2nd, and the data has not yet been published. I can’t recall them ever being two weeks late.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1b/Hadley_Centre.svg/140px-Hadley_Centre.svg.png

HadCRUT (Hadley Climate Research Unit Temperature, UK)

HadCRUT3 anomaly data which can be found here

description of the HadCRUT3 data file columns is here

Perhaps they are a bit flummoxed with recent developments, such as the erasing of “sensitive” temperature  data, or maybe they are just busy processing FOI’s?

Or maybe its the new supercomputer holding up the data?

Maybe the row over one tree has them delayed. Or maybe the 25% funding cut?

Who knows, but it sure is odd to see them so late getting the data out the door.

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Frank K.
November 2, 2009 1:24 pm

George E. Smith (11:54:35) :
“Same time, same station next year !”
Yup, next May, tune in for the 2010 season of the “Arctic Ice Follies,” starring Mark “the Arctic is screaming” Serreze and Walt Meier of the NSIDC, and sponsored by the IPCC, bringing you the best in AGW alarmism for over twenty years…

Gene Nemetz
November 2, 2009 1:25 pm

Lucy Skywalker (09:27:58) :
so those at least are beyond the dog to eat.
But what about the bears? You’d be astonished what a bear will do to get food.

enduser
November 2, 2009 1:52 pm

Ron de Haan (10:24:08) :
Surprising:
NOAA site states:
“It has been thought that an increase in carbon dioxide will lead to global warming. While carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been increasing over the past 100 years, there is no evidence that it is causing an increase in global temperatures”.
_________________________________
What?!
Link please.

Ed Scott
November 2, 2009 1:55 pm

Current Global Temperatures Impossible According to IPCC ‘Science’.
By Dr. Tim Ball Monday, November 2, 2009
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/16460

Ed Scott
November 2, 2009 2:31 pm

An apocalypse is a “revelation” or a “disclosure,” not a “disaster.” Well, it could be a disaster for the UN/IPCC and Algore, when the global lie and dishonesty of AGW, which they perpetuate, is revealed/disclosed.
May the apocalypse succeed.
————————————————————-
The Eco-Apocalypse Craze
by Merv Bendle
November 2, 2009
High Priest of the Eco-Apocalypse
http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2009/11/the-eco-apocalypse-craze
————————————————————-
Controlfreakonomics!
by John Izzard
November 2, 2009
It isn’t easy being green
http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2009/11/controlfreakonomics

Jon-Anders Grannes
November 2, 2009 3:06 pm

If what we observe on the Sun and the work to validate much of the “science” that has been made up to support UNFCCC continues it is just a matter of time before the UNFCCC is technically dead.
So they are running out of time and they are getting desperate?

SandyInDerby
November 2, 2009 3:09 pm

This may be off topic but interesting as this is a mainstream newspaper in Scotland. Also there are comments by some names who haven’t been seen here for a while! Perhaps some of the experts here could post in support?
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/opinion/Richard-Courtney-Biblical-lessons-lost.5747333.jp

Editor
November 2, 2009 3:13 pm

enduser (13:52:04) :

Ron de Haan (10:24:08) :
Surprising:
NOAA site states:
“It has been thought that an increase in carbon dioxide will lead to global warming. While carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been increasing over the past 100 years, there is no evidence that it is causing an increase in global temperatures”.
_________________________________
What?!
Link please.

It was at the bottom of his comment:
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/srh/jetstream/atmos/ll_gas.htm
This is the wrong place to bring this up – the Tips and Notes article (see the
top of any WUWT page) is the right place.

vg
November 2, 2009 3:13 pm

Pearland: Wunderbar, great so now I am prepared to listen to Hathaway. You see all they have to do is admit to the error and they regain trust and super credibility once again. Its got NOTHING to do with pro or anti AGW. Snip if editorializing too much

vg
November 2, 2009 3:17 pm

BTW i am getting truly sick and tired of this link appearing everytime you look at any climate (pro or anti agw)
http://www.america.gov/climate_change.html?gclid=CPfU9a2r7Z0CFRtO2godDQQLMg
can anything be done to stop it?

vg
November 2, 2009 3:17 pm

re previous climate site

vg
November 2, 2009 3:20 pm

copy this quickly before its pulled hahahah
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/srh/jetstream/atmos/ll_gas.htm

Jordan
November 2, 2009 3:29 pm

“Didn’t they recently lose something like 25% of their funding or something?”
Bang goes the 2 days per month set aside for quality control.

Ian Cooper
November 2, 2009 4:00 pm

NIWA (National Institute of Air & Water) in New Zealand weren’t slow out of the blocks in announcing that this October was the coldest recorded here since 1945.
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/coldest-october-since-1945-in-nz-3107957
1.5 degrees C below the October average for the country. This in a year with the record lowest May temperatures. In fact we have had a double peak of cold in the past seven months. Very cold from May through to July, mild in August, and back to cold and colder in September-October.
By my own (unfortunately incomplete) records covering the period 1980-2009 this year has been the record breaker in the number of physical ground frosts, i.e. ice on the ground, at my altitude of only 15 metres above sea level. the 34 frosts recorded is 25% higher than the previous record holders of 1982 and 1989.
The most snowfalls for the mountains in my vicinity (the Tararua and Ruahine Ranges, average height 1500m or 5,000 ft), 29 so far with still the possibility of more to come. The highest weighted aggregate of snow based upon a density and altitude scale that I have worked out to quantify this aspect. This years total of 129 so far beats out 2008 with 111 points as the previous record holder for the the past three decades.
People rightly say that weather is not climate, but a large number of weather events of a similar kind, in this case cold related, are very good climate indicators, in alliance with the temperature record. I guess that I am just one of those people who like to see the evidence for myself. Living in a rural situation for the whole of the period that I have been recording these natural weather related events around me has led me to two conclusions. 1. is the obvious variablity of these climate indicators in the period, and 2. the trend lately has been towards more colder events dominating.
As to the future, all I can say from my own observations is that I would expect the variability to continue as usual, but as for a long term trend I feel that the thirty year data base is far too short to come to any meaningful conclusions, but it sure is fascinating for me to look at my numbers and compare them with various global SST’s, or polar ice sheet estimates over the same period.
Cheers
Coops

David
November 2, 2009 4:02 pm

“Fast Facts
To see the full effect of a greenhouse effect, look to the planet Venus. The atmosphere of Venus consists of 96% carbon dioxide, 3.5% nitrogen, with the remaining amount, less than 1%, of other gasses.
The carbon dioxide atmosphere has allowed the temperature of the surface to exceed 900°F (482°C). This is hot enough to melt lead. Space craft that have successfully landed on venus, despite being well protected, have lasted only about an hour in the excessive heat and crushing pressure.” From De Haan’s link to NASA.
Really?! CO2 did it? It wasn’t the proximity to the sun? Or the atmospheric pressure that crushes spacecraft? Atmospheric pressure is an interesting tack. I wonder if Earth’s temperature fluctuates on any reasonable level with the expansion/contraction of Earth’s atmosphere.

Aligner
November 2, 2009 4:15 pm

I smell a rat. Something is going down here.

crosspatch
November 2, 2009 4:46 pm

Alinger:
Yeah, something’s fishy here:

Dr Schmidt wishes us to point out that he is not “involved” in Dr Hansen’ s GISS temperature record …
I am of course happy to publish the correction he asked for, but I am intrigued that Dr Schmidt should want to dissociate himself from this increasingly controversial source of temperature figures.
Like others, it seems I was misled by the fact that twice in the past two years, when GISS has come under fire for publishing seriously inaccurate data, it was Dr Schmidt who acted as its public spokesman. The first was in 2007, when Dr Hansen’s data was revealed to have been systematically “adjusted” to show recent temperatures as higher than those reported by the other three official sources. This embarrassing business, which resulted in GISS having to revise its figures, was exposed by two science blogs, Watts Up With That, run by Anthony Watts, and Steve McIntyre’s Climate Audit.
The second intervention came this time last year, when GISS had startlingly shown the previous month as the hottest October on record. The same two expert blogs revealed, as the reason for this improbable spike, that GISS had reproduced many of its September figures for two months running. Dr Schmidt may have had no responsibility for this error, but it was he who was wheeled on to explain this hilarious blunder to the world – with the somewhat curious plea that one of the four official sources relied on by the IPCC did not have sufficient resources to maintain proper quality control on its data.

Why would Schmidt suddenly want to put distance between himself and GISS? Have they discovered some major problem with GISSTemp or is Hansen possibly on the way out due to his “activism” and Schmidt wants to make it known he has no part of it?
Who knows but this sure seems interesting that Schmidt has gone from Cheerleader in Chief to “I am not involved”.

Telboy
November 2, 2009 4:53 pm

O/T, but following SandyinDerby (15:09:26)
This quote from Richard Courtney puts the case against AGW very succinctly-
“Some people still promote the hypothesis, for several reasons (personal financial gain, protection of their career histories and futures, political opportunism). But support of science cannot be one such motive, because science denies the hypothesis.”
Possible quote of the week?

Aligner
November 2, 2009 5:32 pm

Monbiot: see here

There is no point in denying it: we’re losing …

Fascinating, not a hint of CH4 ratcheting/face saving here yet. But eye’s left … here and now here and here. Hmm? Looks suspiciously like the US has pretty much already pulled out of the train wreck. Either that or open season on green shirts has started early this year :-). A Hansen sideways manoeuvre next up maybe? Anyone with a different perspective?

John Silver
November 2, 2009 6:12 pm

The Swedish numbers are out: -2 C (3.6 F) to -3 C (5.4 F) lower than the reference period 1961-1990.
http://mobil.svt.se/2.52865/1.1752573/oktober_2009?lid=puff_1675210&lpos=extra_0
Note the curiosity of the span between lowest to highest temperature: 37.8 C (100 F)

Bulldust
November 2, 2009 6:19 pm

I am picturing the scene with HAL9000… I think Deep Black has become sentient and realised that the Met Office is humanity’s own worst enemy and locked them out in the cold. I had a demotivational poster featuring Hal9000 saying “Well, tell whoever it is that I can’t accept the AGW theory without proof.” Sadly I can’t upload images from here.
Also Alan the Brit (07:35:06) :
Referring to the rabble as NuLabor amuses me down on the bottom end as we have an area called the Nullabor:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullarbor_Plain
A vast area spanning between Western Australia and South Australia on the southern coastline which features nothing… it is vast, desolate and treeless (Nullabor being contrived from the Latin for “no trees”). Actually it does have an outstanding feature… it has a massive and awe inspiring cliff into the Southern Ocean which makes one feel like one is at the edge of the world… suitable launch pad for AGW lemmings I would say:
http://www.ceduna.net/webdata/resources/images/nullarbor_cliffs_.jpg

Phil
November 2, 2009 6:30 pm

crosspatch (16:46:06) :
Alinger:
Yeah, something’s fishy here:
Dr Schmidt wishes us to point out that he is not “involved” in Dr Hansen’ s GISS temperature record …
I am of course happy to publish the correction he asked for, but I am intrigued that Dr Schmidt should want to dissociate himself from this increasingly controversial source of temperature figures.
Like others, it seems I was misled by the fact that twice in the past two years, when GISS has come under fire for publishing seriously inaccurate data, it was Dr Schmidt who acted as its public spokesman. The first was in 2007, when Dr Hansen’s data was revealed to have been systematically “adjusted” to show recent temperatures as higher than those reported by the other three official sources. This embarrassing business, which resulted in GISS having to revise its figures, was exposed by two science blogs, Watts Up With That, run by Anthony Watts, and Steve McIntyre’s Climate Audit.
The second intervention came this time last year, when GISS had startlingly shown the previous month as the hottest October on record. The same two expert blogs revealed, as the reason for this improbable spike, that GISS had reproduced many of its September figures for two months running. Dr Schmidt may have had no responsibility for this error, but it was he who was wheeled on to explain this hilarious blunder to the world – with the somewhat curious plea that one of the four official sources relied on by the IPCC did not have sufficient resources to maintain proper quality control on its data.
Why would Schmidt suddenly want to put distance between himself and GISS? Have they discovered some major problem with GISSTemp or is Hansen possibly on the way out due to his “activism” and Schmidt wants to make it known he has no part of it?
Who knows but this sure seems interesting that Schmidt has gone from Cheerleader in Chief to “I am not involved”.

Make that Cheerleader in Chiefio.

jae
November 2, 2009 8:00 pm

Apologies if I’m repeating a previous post (don’t have time to read all), but the explanation is Simple: the morons probablylost the data, AGAIN! Just WHO has any faith in HADCRUT anymore?

GP
November 2, 2009 8:10 pm

I expect the data is stuck in a Royal Mail sorting office somewhere.
(For those of you not in the UK you may like to know that some of our postal workers are undertaking a series of strikes which is likely to be causing some problems with snail mail.)
They should have stuck with using pigeons.

Pamela Gray
November 2, 2009 8:59 pm

What if all the sensors happened to be located, all 126 or however many they use now, on rather conservative soil (or liberal soil for that matter) and the volunteer folks have rather suddenly “got it” and all decided to just shut the shutters and thumb their noses at whatshisname? I have been thinking that the backyards where all these screens are located look a lot like the backyards here in Wallowa County, tucked away up in the NE corner of Oregon. Has there possibly been a quiet rebellion and all they are left with are “really out there” temperature gauges monitored by potheads?
And this brings up a point about the fragile nature of the gauge network. What if we the people, the keepers of the sensors, just decided to get off this silly train?