German Climate Adviser: "industrialized nations have already exceeded their [carbon] quotas" – Pay Up

Luboš Motl writes about the alarming opinion from the German Climate Adviser published in the Spiegel. If you’ve ever doubted that Climate Science has become politicized, this should end any doubt. – Anthony

By Luboš Motl

In his previous life, Hans Joachim Schellnhuber used to be a fairly good theoretical physicist. For example, he would solve the Schrödinger equation with an almost periodic potential in 1983. He has spent a year or so as a postdoc at KITP in Santa Barbara (1981-82).

But the times have changed. For a couple of years, he has been the director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research and the main German government’s climate protection adviser. What he has just said for Spiegel, in

Industrialized nations are facing CO2 insolvency (click),

is just breathtaking and it helps me to understand how crazy political movements such as the Nazis or communists could have so easily taken over a nation that is as sensible as Germany. A few rotten steps in the hierarchy is enough for a loon to get to the very top. He is proposing the creation of a CO2 budget for every person on the planet, regardless whether they live in Berlin or Beijing. Let us allow him to speak:

Humankind has to limit itself to emit only fixed amount of carbon into the atmosphere until 2050. […] Because the industrialized nations have already exceeded their quotas if you take into account past emissions. […] With the current output you see that Germany, the US and other industrialized nations have either already used up their permissible quota, or will do so within the next few years. […]

The industrialized nations are facing CO2 insolvency. This means that they have to notch up their efforts to reduce climate change, otherwise they will use up the CO2 budget actually designated to poorer countries and future generations.

Question: So industrialized nations would have to pay massive sums of money?

Yes. Up to €100 billion ($142 billion) annually. If the richest sixth of the world’s population were to pay this amount, each person would have to pay €100 per year. The West would give back part of the wealth it has taken from the South in the past centuries and be indebted to countries that are now amongst the poorest in the world. It would, however, have to be ensured that the poorer nations use the money for the proposes it is intended — namely to help them to develop a greener economy.

Of course, Schellnhuber is not the first hardcore nutcase of this kind who has been saying such things, pretending that he is oh so smart. Many of you may remember Richard Feynman’s popular book, Surely You’re Joking, Mr Feynman, where he also described a crazy “interdisciplinary” conference where a similar “thinker” has been proposing the same “reparations” paid to the poor countries, based on the same assumptions that Mr Schellnhuber has used.

In order for me to save some time, let me just copy Feynman’s entertaining description of the crazy conference he attended in the 1950s. The amount and basic types of pompous fools haven’t changed: they have just taken over many institutions that apparently include the German government:

There was a special dinner at some point, and the head of the theology place, a very nice, very Jewish man, gave a speech. It was a good speech, and he was a very good speaker, so while it sounds crazy now, when I’m telling about it, at that time his main idea sounded completely obvious and true. He talked about the big differences in the welfare of various countries, which cause jealousy, which leads to conflict, and now that we have atomic weapons, any war and we’re doomed, so therefore the right way out is to strive for peace by making sure there are no great differences from place to place, and since we have so much in the United States, we should give up nearly everything to the other countries until we’re all even. Everybody was listening to this, and we were all full of sacrificial feeling, and all thinking we ought to do this. But I came back to my senses on the way home.

The next day one of the guys in our group said, “I think that speech last night was so good that we should all endorse it, and it should be the summary of our conference.”

I started to say that the idea of distributing everything evenly is based on a theory that there’s only X amount of stuff in the world, that somehow we took it away from the poorer countries in the first place, and therefore we should give it back to them. But this theory doesn’t take into account the real reason for the differences between countries — that is, the development of new techniques for growing food, the development of machinery to grow food and to do other things, and the fact that all this machinery requires the concentration of capital. It isn’t the stuff, but the power to make the stuff, that is important. But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time.

The conference made me so nervous that a girl I knew in New York had to calm me down. “Look,” she said, “you’re shaking! You’ve gone absolutely nuts! Just take it easy, and don’t take it so seriously. Back away a minute and look at what it is.” So I thought about the conference, how crazy it was, and it wasn’t so bad. But if someone were to ask me to participate in something like that again, I’d shy away from it like mad — I mean zero! No! Absolutely not! And I still get invitations for this kind of thing today.

When it came time to evaluate the conference at the end, the others told how much they got out of it, how successful it was, and so on. When they asked me, I said, “This conference was worse than a Rorschach test: There’s a meaningless inkblot, and the others ask you what you think you see, but when you tell them, they start arguing with you!”

Even worse, at the end of the conference they were going to have another meeting, but this time the public would come, and the guy in charge of our group has the nerve to say that since we’ve worked out so much, there won’t be any time for public discussion, so we’ll just tell the public all the things we’ve worked out. My eyes bugged out: I didn’t think we had worked out a damn thing!

Finally, when we were discussing the question of whether we had developed a way of having a dialogue among people of different disciplines — our second basic “problem” — I said that I noticed something interesting. Each of us talked about what we thought the “ethics of equality” was, from our own point of view, without paying any attention to the other guy’s point of view. For example, the historian proposed that the way to understand ethical problems is to look historically at how they evolved and how they developed; the international lawyer suggested that the way to do it is to see how in fact people actually act in different situations and make their arrangements; the Jesuit priest was always referring to “the fragmentation of knowledge”; and I, as a scientist, proposed that we should isolate the problem in a way analogous to Galileo’s techniques for experiments; and so on. “So, in my opinion,” I said, “we had no dialogue at all. Instead, we had nothing but chaos!”

Of course I was attacked, from all around. “Don’t you think that order can come from chaos?”

“Uh, well, as a general principle, or…” I didn’t understand what to do with a question like “Can order come from chaos?” Yes, no, what of it?

There were a lot of fools at that conference — pompous fools — and pompous fools drive me up the wall. Ordinary fools are all right; you can talk to them, and try to help them out. But pompous fools — guys who are fools and are covering it all over and impressing people as to how wonderful they are with all this hocus pocus — THAT, I CANNOT STAND! An ordinary fool isn’t a faker; an honest fool is all right. But a dishonest fool is terrible! And that’s what I got at the conference, a bunch of pompous fools, and I got very upset. I’m not going to get upset like that again, so I won’t participate in interdisciplinary conferences any more.

Feynman’s book continues with a story involving the young rabbis whose main concern was whether electricity was fire.

I wonder how Feynman would feel if he had to be talking to not just a few nuts of this kind but e.g. to 2,500 similar nuts who would be moreover described by the media as good scientists, if not the best ones in the world. 😉

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Nogw
September 7, 2009 1:30 pm

Ron de Haan (11:34:41) :
The modern equivalent of snake oil I presume? Yes, but it works very well for treating flatulence in babies, given in each milk bottle.

Ron de Haan
September 7, 2009 1:50 pm

We all know the UN is behind the AGW/Climate Change Scare, right?
And that their aim is Global Governance, right?
So, they honor a Marxist dictator so we know what we’re up against, right?
And now you think I am I am nuts, right?
WRONG, TOTALLY WRONG!
http://www.openmarket.org/2009/09/04/un-declares-dictator-fidel-castro-world-hero-of-solidarity/
I am glad that this corrupt organization is digging it’s own grave.

September 7, 2009 1:54 pm

Click on Peter Taylor’s name on his post. [snip, play nice ~ ctm]
It must pay well.

Nogw
September 7, 2009 2:21 pm

Ron de Haan (13:50:03) :
I am glad that this corrupt organization is digging it’s own grave.
…Or perhaps they feel now in a winning position having taken the most importants governments in the world.
That UN building is out of place in NY.

Aron
September 7, 2009 3:07 pm

If you think you have it bad just look at our British government. We have an unelected prime minister surrounded by Marxists. Peter Mandelson is a Marxist who is also a close friend of Russian oligarch and organised criminal Oleg Deripaska who helped draft European climate regulation. Then there is David Milliband, son of a Marxist lecturer. Just like a Marxist elitist he created a government position so that his brother Ed could have a job as Climate Change Secretary in this unelected government. Then there is Secretary of State for Environment Hillary Benn, son of the infamous Marxist Tony Benn who has protested against the liberation of Iraq alongside members of the banned terrorist group al-Muhajiroun and visited Saddam before his downfall. Then we have our dear Zoologist Marxist George Monbiot who co-founded the Respect Party (Britain’s first radical Marxist-Islamist alliance) with George Galloway, the closet Islamist who was a dear friend of Saddam Hussein’s regime. Then we have Ken Livingstone, the Marxist ex-Mayor of London who made life expensive for Londoners and then had the gall to invite Hugo Chavez to London to celebrate the spread of global Socialism.
You Americans keep the fight up. Your liberty means a lot to all of us. Without you freedom collapses like a domino effect and totalitarianism will rise again everywhere. One day we’ll need you again.

Kevin Kilty
September 7, 2009 4:26 pm

pinkisbrain (06:15:11) :
how to top manns hockey stik:
http://www.wissenslogs.de/wblogs/blog/klimalounge/debatte/2009-07-10/2-grad-aquila
from schellnhubers propaganda minister rahmstorf…just look at the figure. isnt he funny?

That sort of high sticking deserves time in the penalty box.

Kevin Kilty
September 7, 2009 4:35 pm

Peter Taylor (07:47:55) : …the third world has little to play with..
I can imagine no place having less to play with than Hong Kong did in 1950 or so, but they instituted reasonably limited government (for whatever reason) and enforced contracts, and, well, the rest of the story is history.
Perhaps there are places with nothing at all to play with, but in most cases people are held back by culture and ideology alone.

Ron de Haan
September 7, 2009 4:45 pm

Nogw (14:21:35) :
“Ron de Haan (13:50:03) :
I am glad that this corrupt organization is digging it’s own grave.
…Or perhaps they feel now in a winning position having taken the most importants governments in the world.
That UN building is out of place in NY.”
That building is exactly in the right place.
Americans simply don’t dig communists and they certainly won’t accept the schemes the UN is up to.
Give it some time.

Kevin Kilty
September 7, 2009 4:45 pm

Dennis A:
…Cross-fertilization is common:
June 15, 2005 John Schellnhuber elected to the US National Academy of Sciences (Max Planck Press release)

Feynman I am pretty certain refused induction into the NAS because he couldn’t stand to be a member of an orginization whose only visible effort was to discuss which other people were august enough to join.

Jim
September 7, 2009 6:12 pm

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Kevin Kilty (16:35:55) :
Perhaps there are places with nothing at all to play with, but in most cases people are held back by culture and ideology alone.
************************
Some are also held back by bloody dictators. I guess that might count as “culture.”

Sloane
September 7, 2009 6:32 pm

Beware of the green shirts banging on your door…

Polar Bears and BBQ Sauce
September 7, 2009 7:16 pm

So……am I supposed to cut up my house so we can all share it as kindling as we huddle in the dark, or do I take in 50 or so homeless?

mr.artday
September 7, 2009 10:04 pm

All the wealth in the world is called by economists M3, it amounts to 60 trillion dollars. Divide it equally among the worlds population and we’re all worth $9,000. As to the greens not practising humanity-cide. Please go to green-agenda. com and disabuse yourselves.

ThomasK
September 7, 2009 11:27 pm

Ron de Haan (10:44:02) :
IMHO the “german team” (Schellnhuber, Rahmstorf, Edenhofer, Töpfer, Steiner etc.) must be taken seriously, their influence is great, chancellor Merkel relies on their advice.
A closer look to the conference program i mentioned:
http://www.greattransformation.eu/index.php/component/content/article/31
Many of the usual suspects are involved.

Vincent
September 8, 2009 1:23 am

Aron,
“son of the infamous Marxist Tony Benn who has protested against the liberation of Iraq.”
“Infamous?” Your arguments are discredited by your own predjudice. I also believe we should not have gone into Iraq. And were the million British citizens who protested in Trafalger square also “infamous Marxists?” What business is it of ours to “liberate” another country. Forgive me, but isn’t even the word “liberate” a euphemism for “conquer?” Why don’t we “liberate” Zimbabwe or Burma for that matter?
Tony Benn is actually one of the more sensible people regarding AGW. I once remember a couple of years ago Benn was on the “Any questions” radio talk show. A member of the audience asked a question about man made global warming and why we aren’t doing more to stop it. All the panel members gave the predictable PC comments, except for Benn. He was the only respondent to mention that the science is not settled. He actually said “there’re a number of very serious scientists who do not beleive that man made greenhouse gases are significantly warming the planet.”

Stefan
September 8, 2009 1:34 am

Dodgy Geezer (09:07:50) :
“The greens of the West should please just try asking the rest of the world what all these different peoples want…” — Stefan
A problem with asking is that a typical third-world country (hey, ANY country) will reply ‘Yes Please’ to any attempt to give them carbon cash. Or any other cash. And similarly, they would say ‘Yes Please’ to any offer to bomb, so long as they could define the target as their internal enemies.
What people want and what they need are two different things…

Very true… I don’t know how it could work in practice. At least if the greens could begin by questioning their own assumption that they know what’s best for the world… maybe this is how they get round having to question themselves… merely by offering African countries money, Africans are going to “agree” with the greens. I see now that’s how it works? Greens are looking to buy supporters?

Aron
September 8, 2009 2:24 am

“Vincent (01:23:57) :
Aron,
What business is it of ours to “liberate” another country. ”
As a libertarian I don’t think we should be meddling in another country’s affairs, but as a friend to many Kurds over the years I can’t argue against their pleasure of being liberated. We really had no choice. Saddam was going to die sooner or later and his regime would have imploded because he had nobody to take over (forget his sons). In the power vacuum that was going to occur, the Kurds would have attempted to liberate themselves which would have triggered off a conflict with the Turks, which then would bring in the Iranians (who would offer support to the Kurds) and then the Syrians. The place was going to erupt between neighbouring countries, divided Iraqi generals, sectarian strife and Islamist actions. Forget about the violence we have seen. It’s nothing compared to what would have happened and then we would have had a war like we haven’t seen for over half a century. We had no choice but to prevent the worst case scenario.
The question is, how come the Left doesn’t mind us taking expensive actions (including selling our liberties) against a climate change hysteria based on bad science but no expensive action against a definite violent scenario that would have engulfed a large portion of the world?
As for Tony Benn, I am glad to hear that he said the science is not settled but his son doesn’t seem to agree and he’s the one in government.
Reply: Let’s try and avoid spinning off into political tangents such as these. ~ ctm

September 8, 2009 6:05 am

PIK is also home to “Visiting Scientists” like Bill Hare, who is “Director of Climate Policy at Greenpeace International” : http://www.pik-potsdam.de/news/press-releases/archive/2004/what-is-dangerous-climate-change
It’s not an Institute, it’s a Prostitute.

Ron de Haan
September 8, 2009 9:04 am
Ron de Haan
September 8, 2009 9:06 am

ThomasK (23:27:18) :
Ron de Haan (10:44:02) :
IMHO the “german team” (Schellnhuber, Rahmstorf, Edenhofer, Töpfer, Steiner etc.) must be taken seriously, their influence is great, chancellor Merkel relies on their advice.
A closer look to the conference program i mentioned:
http://www.greattransformation.eu/index.php/component/content/article/31
Many of the usual suspects are involved”.
Very Unfortunately.
But don’t tell me, tell it to the Germans.
There are elections going on right now and they have the chance to send Merkel out although I doubt they have any viable alternative.

September 8, 2009 9:28 am

From Ron de Haan’s link:
“Nicholson, the former head of sustainability at Newcastle-based Grainger plc, says he was dismissed…”
IMHO, any company that has a ‘head of sustainability’ is wasting the shareholders’ money. Unless, of course, the company is a comedy troupe.

Burch Seymour
September 8, 2009 10:49 am

Ayn Rand was on top of this back when she wrote Atlas Shrugged:
http://www.working-minds.com/money.htm

riffenberg
September 8, 2009 5:07 pm

and why does he think people will pay this? Screw him! Atlas has shrugged!

riffenberg
September 8, 2009 5:10 pm

and why does he think people will pay this? Screw him! Atlas has shrugged!
Oh and of course I forgot this,
“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill … All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself.”
The Club of Rome