Luboš Motl writes about the alarming opinion from the German Climate Adviser published in the Spiegel. If you’ve ever doubted that Climate Science has become politicized, this should end any doubt. – Anthony
By Luboš Motl
In his previous life, Hans Joachim Schellnhuber used to be a fairly good theoretical physicist. For example, he would solve the Schrödinger equation with an almost periodic potential in 1983. He has spent a year or so as a postdoc at KITP in Santa Barbara (1981-82).
But the times have changed. For a couple of years, he has been the director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research and the main German government’s climate protection adviser. What he has just said for Spiegel, in
is just breathtaking and it helps me to understand how crazy political movements such as the Nazis or communists could have so easily taken over a nation that is as sensible as Germany. A few rotten steps in the hierarchy is enough for a loon to get to the very top. He is proposing the creation of a CO2 budget for every person on the planet, regardless whether they live in Berlin or Beijing. Let us allow him to speak:
Humankind has to limit itself to emit only fixed amount of carbon into the atmosphere until 2050. […] Because the industrialized nations have already exceeded their quotas if you take into account past emissions. […] With the current output you see that Germany, the US and other industrialized nations have either already used up their permissible quota, or will do so within the next few years. […]
The industrialized nations are facing CO2 insolvency. This means that they have to notch up their efforts to reduce climate change, otherwise they will use up the CO2 budget actually designated to poorer countries and future generations.
Question: So industrialized nations would have to pay massive sums of money?
Yes. Up to €100 billion ($142 billion) annually. If the richest sixth of the world’s population were to pay this amount, each person would have to pay €100 per year. The West would give back part of the wealth it has taken from the South in the past centuries and be indebted to countries that are now amongst the poorest in the world. It would, however, have to be ensured that the poorer nations use the money for the proposes it is intended — namely to help them to develop a greener economy.
Of course, Schellnhuber is not the first hardcore nutcase of this kind who has been saying such things, pretending that he is oh so smart. Many of you may remember Richard Feynman’s popular book, Surely You’re Joking, Mr Feynman, where he also described a crazy “interdisciplinary” conference where a similar “thinker” has been proposing the same “reparations” paid to the poor countries, based on the same assumptions that Mr Schellnhuber has used.
In order for me to save some time, let me just copy Feynman’s entertaining description of the crazy conference he attended in the 1950s. The amount and basic types of pompous fools haven’t changed: they have just taken over many institutions that apparently include the German government:
There was a special dinner at some point, and the head of the theology place, a very nice, very Jewish man, gave a speech. It was a good speech, and he was a very good speaker, so while it sounds crazy now, when I’m telling about it, at that time his main idea sounded completely obvious and true. He talked about the big differences in the welfare of various countries, which cause jealousy, which leads to conflict, and now that we have atomic weapons, any war and we’re doomed, so therefore the right way out is to strive for peace by making sure there are no great differences from place to place, and since we have so much in the United States, we should give up nearly everything to the other countries until we’re all even. Everybody was listening to this, and we were all full of sacrificial feeling, and all thinking we ought to do this. But I came back to my senses on the way home.
The next day one of the guys in our group said, “I think that speech last night was so good that we should all endorse it, and it should be the summary of our conference.”
I started to say that the idea of distributing everything evenly is based on a theory that there’s only X amount of stuff in the world, that somehow we took it away from the poorer countries in the first place, and therefore we should give it back to them. But this theory doesn’t take into account the real reason for the differences between countries — that is, the development of new techniques for growing food, the development of machinery to grow food and to do other things, and the fact that all this machinery requires the concentration of capital. It isn’t the stuff, but the power to make the stuff, that is important. But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time.
The conference made me so nervous that a girl I knew in New York had to calm me down. “Look,” she said, “you’re shaking! You’ve gone absolutely nuts! Just take it easy, and don’t take it so seriously. Back away a minute and look at what it is.” So I thought about the conference, how crazy it was, and it wasn’t so bad. But if someone were to ask me to participate in something like that again, I’d shy away from it like mad — I mean zero! No! Absolutely not! And I still get invitations for this kind of thing today.
When it came time to evaluate the conference at the end, the others told how much they got out of it, how successful it was, and so on. When they asked me, I said, “This conference was worse than a Rorschach test: There’s a meaningless inkblot, and the others ask you what you think you see, but when you tell them, they start arguing with you!”
Even worse, at the end of the conference they were going to have another meeting, but this time the public would come, and the guy in charge of our group has the nerve to say that since we’ve worked out so much, there won’t be any time for public discussion, so we’ll just tell the public all the things we’ve worked out. My eyes bugged out: I didn’t think we had worked out a damn thing!
Finally, when we were discussing the question of whether we had developed a way of having a dialogue among people of different disciplines — our second basic “problem” — I said that I noticed something interesting. Each of us talked about what we thought the “ethics of equality” was, from our own point of view, without paying any attention to the other guy’s point of view. For example, the historian proposed that the way to understand ethical problems is to look historically at how they evolved and how they developed; the international lawyer suggested that the way to do it is to see how in fact people actually act in different situations and make their arrangements; the Jesuit priest was always referring to “the fragmentation of knowledge”; and I, as a scientist, proposed that we should isolate the problem in a way analogous to Galileo’s techniques for experiments; and so on. “So, in my opinion,” I said, “we had no dialogue at all. Instead, we had nothing but chaos!”
Of course I was attacked, from all around. “Don’t you think that order can come from chaos?”
“Uh, well, as a general principle, or…” I didn’t understand what to do with a question like “Can order come from chaos?” Yes, no, what of it?
There were a lot of fools at that conference — pompous fools — and pompous fools drive me up the wall. Ordinary fools are all right; you can talk to them, and try to help them out. But pompous fools — guys who are fools and are covering it all over and impressing people as to how wonderful they are with all this hocus pocus — THAT, I CANNOT STAND! An ordinary fool isn’t a faker; an honest fool is all right. But a dishonest fool is terrible! And that’s what I got at the conference, a bunch of pompous fools, and I got very upset. I’m not going to get upset like that again, so I won’t participate in interdisciplinary conferences any more.
Feynman’s book continues with a story involving the young rabbis whose main concern was whether electricity was fire.
I wonder how Feynman would feel if he had to be talking to not just a few nuts of this kind but e.g. to 2,500 similar nuts who would be moreover described by the media as good scientists, if not the best ones in the world. 😉

Jim, you say:
“How about this model? We get rid of government regulation in the US and ignore the UN completely. We have targeted regulation of nuclear, but not enough to discourage it or make it more expensive than truly necessary to be safe. We allow private enterprise to determine what energy we use and allow people freedom to use as much or as little as they please. I think that would work for the best.”
This type of misguided thinking would require that we honor the constitution of the USA… Surely you don’t think it would require such drastic measures?
Mike
Michael (01:25:56) :
“But one thing in Motl’s blog that I strongly object to is his rather dumb comparism of Schellnhuber’s mindless ramblings to the rise of the Nazis.”
The Germans used to be war-like and mean
But that couldn’t happen again.
We taught them a lesson in 1918.
And they’ve hardly bothered us since then.
-Tom Lehrer (American songwriter)
“All political power comes from the barrel of a rifle” -Chairman Mao
I think that the mention of Nazis is quite appropriate. All countries are at risk of going collectively insane and massacring millions of “undesirables.” Just look at your history books. It has happened before, it is happening now (think Zimbabwe), and it will happen again.
The only way you can possibly enforce global equality is at gunpoint. So who gets to point the guns, and who are the “pointees?”
I know… The Germans are very efficient, lets give them the job of forcing carbon equality on the world and bringing about worldwide peace and prosperity. The rest of us can quietly lay down our arms and march proudly toward the Utopian 4th Reich. Remember, if everyone is totally equal there will be no more envy and no more war. The Enforcers, will of course, will need to be slightly more equal so that they can do their jobs and keep us all safe.
/sarc off
Ron de Haan (09:11:37) : In the link you gave, among the catastrophic menaces,
the “pandemic” one is mentioned.
BTW and to ruin business to those engaged in the last UN’s WHO invented pandemics, the AH1N1 virus, here you can find that antiviral “Tamiflu” it is nothing else but an extract of Star Anise, which you can find anywhere:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_anise
Fortunately first world countries and its governments’ green policies are being deceived by third world countries.
“Yes. Up to €100 billion ($142 billion) annually. If the richest sixth of the world’s population were to pay this amount, each person would have to pay €100 per year. The West would give back part of the wealth it has taken from the South in the past centuries and be indebted to countries that are now amongst the poorest in the world. It would, however, have to be ensured that the poorer nations use the money for the proposes it is intended — namely to help them to develop a greener economy.” Hans Joachim Schellnhuber.
I propose a different solution: Stick the good Mr. Schellnhuber in the nuthouse and save the $142 billion.
wws (07:10:53) : “Seig Heil, GruppenFuhrer Schellnhuber.”
Nein, nein! Das ist Kommissar Schnellhubris. Nach der Katastrophe des Kommissars kommt die Fuehrer! Wie letztes Mal.
Peter Stroud (04:38:28) :
I have been doing the same with the same response and in my last message, (the German scientist letter to Merkel), I asked that his PA not send me any more copies of their FoE-written energy policy). I did get a surprising response from Letwyn who said he found it very interesting. He is on their policy committee.
Scellnhuber is very popular within the network: 01/11/2004
Tyndall Centre Director receives CBE (Tyndall Press Archive)
Professor John Schellnhuber, a Director of both the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research at the University of East Anglia and the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impacts Research in Germany, has been awarded an honorary CBE in recognition of his key contribution to climate change science and to UK and German co-operation.
Professor Schellnhuber will be congratulated on his award when he meets Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II when she opens the major British-German climate change conference ‘Climate change: Meeting the challenge together’ at the British Embassy in Berlin on 3 November, 2005.
“John’s dual role as Research Director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research and the Potsdam Institute has created a unique working relationship between our two institutes” says Prof. Chris Vincent, Head of the School of Environmental Sciences at the University of East Anglia, home to the Tyndall Centre’s headquarters.
Cross-fertilization is common:
June 15, 2005 John Schellnhuber elected to the US National Academy of Sciences (Max Planck Press release)
Professor Hans Joachim (“John”) Schellnhuber, external scientific member of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg, Director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research and Scientific Director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, was recently elected to the US National Academy of Sciences as foreign associate. The National Academy of Sciences is one of the leading science academies in the world.
Here’s another example of the close links between Potsdam, Schnellnhuber and East Anglia University, home of Climate Research Institute, (Phil Jones et al) and the Tyndall Centre.
Tipping elements in the Earth’s climate system
“Society may be lulled into a false sense of security by smooth projections of global change,“ the researchers around Timothy Lenton from the British University of East Anglia in Norwich and Hans Joachim Schellnhuber from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research report. Global change may appear to be a slow and gradual process on human scales. However, in some regions anthropogenic forcing on the climate system could kick start abrupt and potentially irreversible changes. For these sub-systems of the Earth system the researchers introduce the term “tipping element”.
Drawing on a workshop of 36 leading climate scientists in October 2005 at the British Embassy, Berlin, Germany, a further elicitation of 52 experts in the field, and a review of the pertinent literature, the authors compiled a short-list of nine potential tipping elements. These tipping elements are ranked as the most policy-relevant and require consideration in international climate politics.
At least they admit it is political.
Feynman’s revulsion for pompous fools would make a good Quote of the Week. But IMHO he understated the situation.
The Science Establishment and humanity on the whole have slipped into intellectual decline. There has been little scientific advancement in any field for 50 years, with the possible exceptions of microbiology and semiconductors.
The entire world seems to have gone mad, or stupid. Quack religions have supplanted true rational inquiry, and stultification of thought has engendered many tragic consequences. AGW and fascist non-solutions to a non-problem are but one example. What is less clear is how to break this downward spiral.
We live in interesting times. We are witness to the decline and fall of civilization and the headlong rush into the New Dark Ages. Mass hysteria, superstition, quackery, self-inflicted disasters, worldwide infanticide, genocide, and hemoclysms are the hallmarks of the modern era. Humanity descends and devolves right before our eyes.
Who is John Galt?
ThomasK (03:51:24) :
“Mr. Schellnhuber often gives valuable insights into his state of mind.
Not a long time ago Mr. Schellnhuber asked for a “Cultural Revolution” to deal with climate change. After realizing this term is burned since Mao Tse-Tung, he now calls the same crap “Great transformation” http://www.greattransformation.eu
In June 2009 a conference took place in Germany to answer questions like “How can democracy cope with this climate Stress?”
“Democratic regimes are not well prepared for the level of participation that is required: Can free democratic societies cope with the effects of grave changes in the global climate, or might authoritarien regimes possibly be better placed to enforce the necessary measures?””
Right, and there are still people like Reinhard Bösch (09:06:09) who believe this is not a serious topic.
http://green-agenda.com first made me laugh but today….
Mike D. (10:23:23) : “…Humanity descends and devolves right before our eyes.”
The only question is whether the media are a cause of this decline or only innocent message-bearers.
Ron de Haan (10:44:02) : I think americans have much more simple and fast methods to end all this global non sense, beginning with their holy prophets and messiahs. I think some far west methods will work.
Enduser
“I know… The Germans are very efficient…”
I’d say they are very good organisers.
But that’s precisely what makes them a threat to society.
And when you get someone with off-the-wall ideas like Schellnhuber near the top, I start to worry.
Schellnhuber and that hothead Ramstorf make van Jones look like a child playing in the sandbox. These guys are dangerous in my view.
What is it with people here who write books and volumes?
I don’t know about the other readers here, but I certainly don’t waste my time reading these long, rambling diatribes. Keep it short!
[Reply: Yes, a sentence or two, with a link to the article is sufficient. ~dbs, mod.]
Think about what Schrillhooter is proposing…and that based on a science that’s been willfully distorted and wildly exaggerated.
If that aint dangerous, I don’t know what is.
Obama, leader of… none:
http://townhall.com/columnists/PaulDriessen/2009/09/05/leader_of_none?page=full&comments=true
Nogw (09:50:37) :
“Ron de Haan (09:11:37) : In the link you gave, among the catastrophic menaces,
the “pandemic” one is mentioned.
BTW and to ruin business to those engaged in the last UN’s WHO invented pandemics, the AH1N1 virus, here you can find that antiviral “Tamiflu” it is nothing else but an extract of Star Anise, which you can find anywhere:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_anise”
The modern equivalent of snake oil I presume?
“but I certainly don’t waste my time reading these long, rambling diatribes.”
I forgot to add: “BORING”
Wouldn’ t it be a good idea to relocate WUWT server at a third world country so as to be able to collect all that money ?
I got here late and I’m sure that the old chestnut of the North robbing the south has been dealt with. Any continent is loaded with resources and under democratic governments and free enterprise, these resources are converted to weath which leads to…. well you get the picture. We have not robbed the wealth of the south. It is not a zero-sum game. Indeed, the north has brought medicine and no-how to the south. Imagine we northerners suing Rome because the Romans “exploited” us. This is how we got our start.
According to the OECD (I don’t have a link but I read this recently) we have officially (government to government called ODA – official devel. assist.) given about $3 trillion away in the last 40 years. This does not count NGO’s, private philanthropy, loans that are unlikely to be paid back, etc. There are a slew of scholarly studies and articles saying economic aid (as apart from disaster assistance) doesn’t work and indeed many state that it harms African economies, promotes corruption (over 40 years ago I bought rice in a market place in Nigeria that came from a cardboard drum labeled ” A gift to the people of Nigeria from Oxfam”). In our cities we are advised by authorities not to hand out cash to homeless people because they use it for drugs and alcohol – even our own local aid is harmful to the recipient. Now we have another scheme to “compensate” for our exploitation of the South”. Such a grand scale handout may kill off the South. I’m sorry about lack of links but try googling ODA OECD.
I have one for aid is bad:
http://www.munkdebates.com/debates/against.cfm
“Enduser
“I know… The Germans are very efficient…”
I’d say they are very good organisers.
But that’s precisely what makes them a threat to society.”
I vote for bringing back the British Empire. Their generally bumbling nature, individual charismatic heroism and inate sense of fair play made them the best of all the empires to live under.
But you would have to put up with lukewarm beer, afternoon tea, and cricket…
Peter Taylor
“sorry for the long polemic – I need to write another book!”
You just did! And a very good one at that.
Gary Pearse (12:02:57) :not to hand out cash to homeless people because they use it for drugs
Are you homeless?…because we can’t stop producing drugs down here for you!
🙂
@ur momisugly Gary Pearse (12:02:57) :
” I got here late and I’m sure ………………………….. the north has brought medicine and no-how to the south. ………………………..This is how we got our start. ”
I think you meant know-how, and not “no-how” as in ” no how, no way “. But I could be wrong. 🙂 Just joshin’ with ya. 🙂
re: Reinhard Bosch: “until today I thought this to be a interesting climate blog.”
Well, who is it that is politicizing science these days, Reinhard? Is it not the Climate Advisor to Angela Merkel who is quoted above saying, “The West would give back part of the wealth it has taken from the South in the past centuries and be indebted to countries that are now amongst the poorest in the world.”? This relates to science how, exactly?
As several have pointed out, Schellnhuber’s point of view betrays a common and fundamental misunderstanding of how wealth is created. Poor nations are poor not because freer nations have made them so. Poor nations have been poor since long before the rise of the west, and have mostly remained so despite vast amounts of transferred wealth over the past couple of generations. People will remain poor in places where they are not free. Transferred wealth will mainly enrich the governing elite, and further corrupt already corrupt systems. Homegrown wealth is the answer, produced by a liberated citizenry, whose basics rights and freedoms are respected and protected by their government, which will necessarily be limited and representative in nature. Unlimited government is incompatible with basic individual freedoms.
Among these fundamental individual freedoms are the freedom to own property without fear of arbitrary seizure, freedom to sell one’s intellectual property without fear that it will be appropriated by others or by the government, and the freedom to contract with others for use of one’s physical or intellectual labor, property, or capital.
Human beings are by nature industrious, energetic, clever, and ambitious problem solvers. Given the freedom to do so, they will achieve solutions to most problems, including the problem of how best to produce the most energy at the least cost and with the least impact on the environment. They will produce enough wealth to provide not only for themselves but to try to help others less free, and therefore less productive.