There is a lot of wailing an gnashing of teeth today over this Associated Press story title:
Please take a moment to read that story above as I can’t post it here. AP has declared war on bloggers.
First a few caveats:
- Yes (as mentioned about the northeast USA beach water temperatures in the AP article) we have some very warm sea surface temperatures this summer, we also had the coolest summer surface temperatures on record in many places in the USA.
- The AP story is written by Seth Borenstein. Seth tends to report the warmest side of things in the worst way, so take the story with a grain of salt. For example, Portland Maine also set a new record low for July Temperatures, see here. I don’t think Seth covered that one nor the -50°F all time statewide Maine record low on January 16th, 2009 seen here. One should also note that NOAA reported “July Temperature Below-Average for the U.S.” How quickly we forget. I’m not trying to pick a weather -vs- climate food fight, but simply pointing this out for balance. We’ve had some cold events this year also.
- Sea temperature spikes like this have have happened before. More on that later.
In the story Seth says: “The result has meant lots of swimming at beaches in Maine with pleasant 72-degree water.”
To check that out, I utilized the Rutgers SST satellite page here. This image showing coastal Maine from NOAA-15 on August 18th seemed fairly representative and was one of the few that was almost completely filled with SST data. As you can see on this summary page, there is a lot of missing data. With this much missing data, one wonders if SST data averages are accurate.

I’ve annotated the image to give you landmarks and cities. Our warmer buddy “Tamino” lives in Portland, I wonder if he’s taking a dip. As you can see, indeed there is some 72 degree water around Portland. But up in the Bay of Fundy and tip of Nova Scotia, there’s some pretty cold water also, and it is in the 45 to 55 degree range.
A wider view SST of the northeastern US shows the reason for this juxtaposing of opposite ends of the sensing range:

I’ve also annotated this image to give you landmarks and cities.
Note the prominent tongue of warm water and the eddies and swirls. That is the warm water of the Gulf Stream mixing with the cold water of the north. In the middle mix, pleasant swimming temperatures. The earth is doing what is has always done, transporting warm water northward via the Gulf Stream. Yes it is a little stronger this year and maybe a little closer to the coast than usual.
Here’s a view of the source in the Gulf of Mexico, Oh…wait…I had to use a different source since the NOAA/Rutgers imagery was missing so much data in the Gulf – see for yourself here
This Weather Underground plot of buoy based sea temperature measurements shows that indeed the Gulf is warm and around the 90 degrees indicated in the article.
But the question is: is this warmth an event to be concerned about? From the Rutgers map above, it appears that the Gulf Stream has come closer to shore than it normally does, which of course makes it more noticeable to people recreating in the water.This of course generates attention, and reporters naturally pick up on these things. The question is: weather or climate?
Here’s a NOAA Ocean Explorer SST image from a 2005 article that shows how the Gulf Stream tends to hang off the coast a bit more.

And of course, we have an El Nino going on, so a warmer Pacific is certainly not unexpected.

Note the the temperatures above are anomalies, not absolute measurements.
As the AP article mentions, the last time we saw ocean temperature this high was in 1998 during the super El Nino.
What I find most interesting though is this NOAA Hovmoller graph as pointed out by Paul Vaughn in Bob Tisdale’s thread:
Hovmollering the SST: T-shirt tie-dye design or climate science?

Just looking at the 1982-1983 and 1997-1998 SST spikes, it does seem like we are due for another at the bottom doesn’t it?
The point I’m making here. Yes the ocean is warm, it has gotten warm before. Should we panic? No.
A couple of closing points. The AP article that I referenced at the beginning of this post makes no references as to sources other than generally mentioning NCDC.
However I did find a more in depth NPR/AP article that did reference the NCDC sources which you can read here.
The two sources listed were:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?reportglobal&year2009&month7
http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/all.html
But there is no mention of this on either source:
“The average water temperature worldwide was 62.6 degrees, according to the National Climatic Data Center”
The latest summary NCDC offers ( which AP referenced: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?reportglobal&year2009&month7 ) is for July 2009 where they say this:
The global ocean surface temperature for July 2009 was the warmest on record, 0.59°C (1.06°F) above the 20th century average of 16.4°C (61.5°F). This broke the previous July record set in 1998. The July ocean surface temperature departure from the long-term average equals June 2009 value, which was also a record.
So that makes me wonder, did NCDC give Seth Borenstein some inside information for the middle of August that the rest of us aren’t privy to? Or, could it be a misprint or C to F conversion error?
I simply don’t know, but I do find it odd that I can’t find a NOAA or NCDC press release or data table that has that 62.6 degrees mentioned in it. If anyone knows where that figure came from, please post it in comments. Google is saturated with so many news stories with the keyword combination of NCDC and 62.6 that I’m unable to locate the original source. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, but if it does, I’m sure our WUWT readers will find it.
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OK, lets do some other cherry picking. According AMSRE Sea Ice Extent we have at the moment at about 45 Nord and 145 East, between Sachalin and Hokkaido, sea ice?
Apologies. I did not take the time to observe that the version of Borenstein’s article linked above was different from one I’d already commented upon elsewhere which I paste below:
[snip – sorry Harold, I can’t publish the AP article in toto here, see the note in my article about AP declaring war on bloggers, Anthony]
From NOAA release on July
Please Note: Effective with the July 2009 State of the Climate Report, NCDC transitioned to the new version (version 3b) of the extended reconstructed sea surface temperature (ERSST) dataset. ERSST.v3b is an improved extended SST reconstruction over version 2. Most of the improvements are justified by testing with simulated data. The primary difference in version 3b, compared to version 2, is improved low-frequency tuning that increases the sensitivity to data prior to 1930.
In ERSST v3b, satellite data was removed from the ERSST product. The addition of satellite data from 1985 to present caused problems for many users. (wonder who complained?)
Although the satellite data were corrected with respect to the in situ data, a small residual cold bias remained at high southern latitudes where in situ data were sparse. For more information about the differences between ERSST.v3b and ERSST.v2 please read Summary of Recent Changes in the Land-Ocean Temperature Analyses and Improvements to NOAA’s Historical Merged Land-Ocean Surface Temperature Analysis (1880-2006) paper.
I think the warmists have won.
Everybody is acting as though warm is bad.
Warm: more food, prosperity, civilization, growth, peace.
Cold: privation, droughts, desertification, plagues, unrest, war.
see Heaven and Earth by Ian Plimer
Even if the AGW promoters were right about CO2 ( they are not) they are wrong about warming being anything but good.
AGW claims the arctic sea ice is melting. AGW claims that the Greenland ice sheet is melting. AGW claims that this will shut down the Gulf Stream and prevent warmer waters from coming north. Northern waters of Maine are “the warmest ever recorded”.
1 + 1 + 1= 4
Now I understand.
Nice shot of the 8/20 SST’s what I notice is the continued decline of El Nino note a month ago:
http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2009/anomnight.7.20.2009.gif
I still say it’s neutral or Nina by December….
In other words No-NIno…
last week visited the Southern Oregon coast,(Coos Bay) saw a couplle of old friends,
including my ret.Coastie CPO pal who’s still active in the reserves,and aux.
He says-with considerable authority,as he was a USCG Weather guy,No sign of Nino yet.
Maybe never.No warm water,no increase in southern species.Still cold and getting fall like-warm days followed by thick stratus and fog…
Stephen Wilde: You wrote, “SST measure the rate at which the oceans release heat to the atmosphere.”
To use SST in this calculation, you also assume that a change in SST over time reflects only heat released to the atmosphere. Surface waters also subduct and rise back to the surface (overturn) over time scales of days, weeks, months, decades…
Adam Grey:
Do you know the difference between “Weather” and “Climate”? :O 😉
I did two simple searches.
1) US Climate cooling 2009 2.2 mil. results
2) US Climate warming 2009 4.3 mil results
You just gotta ask the right questions!
LOL!
M
And despite all this warm water and “favorable environmental conditions” Hurricane Bill continues to weaken. Now a weak category three. I’m wondering how much the depth of this warm water plays a role.
Google.com hits
hot: 913,000,000
cool: 549,000,000
cold: 267,000,000
warm: 186,000,000
hot + warm totals: 1,099,000,000
cold + cool totals: 816,000,000
Performing a search in which the word “cool” is not specifically associated with a weather-specific noun — examples include “cool weather” or “cool temperature” — will generate totally meaningless results. (Are you listening, Adam?)
The two terms (adjective + noun) must be tied together with quotes. Cool has to be used in proper context as the term is mainly used for non-weather related stuff. You’d think that an Aussie would know that. One could also search for complex phrases but the simplest approach is to use a noun plus modifier.
Google.com hits
news america july 2009 “warm weather”: 51,000
news america july 2009 “cool weather”: 15,100
news america july 2009 “hot weather”: 43,500
news america july 2009 “cold weather”: 73,600
warm + hot totals: 94,500
cool + cold totals: 88,700
Assuming that these searches yielded meaningful results — and that is a big if — the bias is still towards the hot + warm side of the picture.
For those who want to use google to prove a point, please learn how to use it properly.
Final note:
The total for “cool” when used alone exceeded the total for “warm” by 195%. This pretty much guarantees that one will get a larger number of hits for cool no matter what one is looking for. Using cool loosely is totally uncool.
The real question is what is causing the “record” SST? It’s not from greenhouse gases, as the atmosphere isn’t any warmer.
_ Is it geothermal heat under the sea bed?
_ Is it (gasp), more solar energy heating the ocean surface?
_ Is it simply warmer water moving towards cooler water? (Question, does cooler temps in higher latitudes cause more warm water to move from lower latitudes, and doesn’t this warmer SST release more heat, meaning more future cooling?)
_ Is it a repeat of previous ‘record temperature’ mistakes?
_ And what does ‘on record’ mean? Since the end of the LIA, since 1979, or somewhere in between?
Since the Argos floats aren’t measuring any warming below the surface, does this really mean anything, anyway?
Someone please explain this quote to me from the article:
“The heat is most noticeable near the Arctic, where water temperatures are as much as 10 degrees above average. The tongues of warm water could help melt sea ice from below and even cause thawing of ice sheets on Greenland, said Waleed Abdalati, director of the Earth Science and Observation Center at the University of Colorado.”
How will warmer ocean water melt the land based ice sheets in Greenland pray tell?
Doesn’t it make sense that SST would be warmer if the atmospheric temperature is lower.
I reference Newton’s Law of Cooling, “that the rate of heat loss of a body is proportional to the difference in temperatures between the body and its surroundings, or environment.”
The cooler the “air”, more heat will be lost from a body ( “Ocean Surface”, “Land Surface” )…Wouldn’t this register as higher SSTs
Bob Tisdale (06:00:05) :
“Anthony, the Borentein article is factually incorrect in places and it raises alarmism to ridiculous levels in others. It’s tough to find that area of the Arctic Ocean that’s10 deg F above average.
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/08/borenstien-sea-surface-temperature.html”
Bob, I am sure it’s a coincidence but the red arrow in your map is pointing at Archangels, the Russian harbor where all the nuclear military ships and submarines are laid to rest. Who knows, something is cooking there.
Strange anomaly.
Bob Tisdale (06:25:01)
Not me, Bob.
I was quoting someone else before commenting on what he said.
I’m sitting on a porch overlooking the harbor in South Bristol, Maine, right now as I write this note. I’m east a bit north of Portland. I’ve been swimming all week in the water here, and here’s my first-hand report.
It’s cold. About 61-63 degrees, and notably, the heat is in the top 6-12 inches of water. Just below that level, it’s decidedly more frigid, icy cold. So you try to do as much floating as possible, and you don;t stay in the water for more than a minute or two.
BTW, I know Seth Borenstein. Question — what is his college degtee in – journalism. How many science classes did he take in college — one, intro biology. Don;t expect a lot of critical thinking from Seth.
I can Speak about Ocean City Maryland. Here is the current Ocean temp, August 21, 2009 10:00 AM the Temperature: 79.07° F, recorded at 8th street. I was there two weeks ago and it was in the low 70s. I read the AP article on Yahoo News last night and my BS detector went off. Having lived in the area for 40+ years and have gone to OC MD every year, 88° F would make local news, not a peep.
http://www.surfassateague.com/
The Author “SETH BORENSTEIN”, is a warmist. Google his name.
@Adam Grey:
So what *if* this is the warming SST on record? What does it prove? Yes, the earth warmed during the 20th century, but that fact does not imply any specific cause.
In other words, just because the climate warmed and *may* still be warming does not imply that AGW has anything to do with it! Where is the evidence it’s not natural causes. Where is the evidence that we have observed is outside the scope of natural variation?
Harold Ambler gave a very useful link to the buoys and I checked those for the UK. I’m still laughing at the one that reckoned a sea temperature of 70F but most were around 63F or so. During a long hot summer SST might be around 68F (after lots of sun) in the winter it might drop to 46F-depending on location.
At what temperature does the sea surface change from being a net outgasser to a net absorber of co2? Is there a hard and fast rule or ‘does it depend?’
Presumably the waters round the UK change from one state to the other during an average year whereas the seas surrounding say Mauna Loa are always going to be outgassing.
Tonyb
Klimate Kip (00:03:57) :
My apologies for not checking the links and other stuff, but I’m on vacation….
One thing about east coast waters, especially north of NJ, is that on shore winds often blow warm water towards shore. In shallow beach areas this can make for some comfortable swimming (comfortable is > 70F (20C) and is not a metric used in the south east!).
OTOH, off shore winds blow the warm water away and cold water wells up in its place, and even New Englanders decide it’s a nice day for a walk instead.
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The Gulf Stream sheds eddies of warm waters, but I don’t know how they generally track towards shore. Perhaps someone has time to look for a site that studies and tracks them. The eddies are interesting scientifically and for fishing opportunities so they get a fair amount of attention in the right circles.
John Galt – Maybe all those bags of dirty water at 98.6 F have warmed the east coastline? Now that would be anthropogenic warming!
Many thanks to Capn Jack Walker for the information, your explanation was simple, understandable and to the point.
Cassie K.
This FAO graphs means we are down in temperatures and high in cold water fish catches:
http://www.giurfa.com/fao_temps.jpg
Adam Grey (01:08:02) :
“Hundreds to thousands of media articles cover warm events, very few cover cold events.
I ran a search to see if that assertion stacked up.”
One can’t choose exceptional years for the no.- of-hits surveys to determine bias. For example it was a remarkably cool July 2009 over 80% of N. America including frosts in every month this far in Edmonton, Alberta. Similarly when we had snow storms in South Africa, Buenos Aires, Saudi Arabia and frost in Alice Springs, Australia, there were, of course, a lot of news reports. I think one thing that may be starting to happen as the global warming issue is beginning to die is there will be a big up-tick in “cool” stories because, in the propaganda blitz of the past two decades, cool temperatures are now getting to be a story. I’ve noticed a shriller edge to protestations from AGW proponents and of course this has increased as the number of defections increases – including shutting down of one of the major AGW blogs until warming resumes in 30 years!! (real climate was it?).