From the Huffington Post, Dr. Hansen is more than a little upset over the failure of G-8 to produce any meaningful CO2 cuts. Once again he tries to take the “representing himself as a private citizen” tact while at the same time citing his NASA credentials.
I call BS on that. His opinion would not be sought if he were not a NASA climate scientist. He cannot separate himself from NASA and climate science and the policy springing from it any more that President Obama could write an essay now as a private citizen. Further, Jim, you started it in 1988 with your address before congress. Don’t insult our intelligence by saying you have been acting as a private citizen either then or now.
That being said, we do agree on one thing: “the Waxman-Markey bill, a monstrous absurdity” – Anthony Watts
The world’s major industrial nations and emerging powers failed to agree Wednesday on significant cuts in heat-trapping gases by 2050, unraveling an effort to build a global consensus to fight climate change, according to people following the talks.
Of course, emission targets in 2050 have limited practical meaning — present leaders will be dead or doddering by then — so these differences may be patched up. The important point is that other nations are unlikely to make real concessions on emissions if the United States is not addressing the climate matter seriously.
With a workable climate bill in his pocket, President Obama might have been able to begin building that global consensus in Italy. Instead, it looks as if the delegates from other nations may have done what 219 U.S. House members who voted up Waxman-Markey last month did not: critically read the 1,400-page American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 and deduce that it’s no more fit to rescue our climate than a V-2 rocket was to land a man on the moon.
I share that conclusion, and have explained why to members of Congress before and will again at a Capitol Hill briefing on July 13. Science has exposed the climate threat and revealed this inconvenient truth: If we burn even half of Earth’s remaining fossil fuels we will destroy the planet as humanity knows it. The added emissions of heat-trapping carbon dioxide will set our Earth irreversibly onto a course toward an ice-free state, a course that will initiate a chain reaction of irreversible and catastrophic climate changes.
The concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere now stands at 387 parts per million, the highest level in 600,000 years and more than 100 ppm higher than the amount at the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. Burning just the oil and gas sitting in known fields will drive atmospheric CO2 well over 400 ppm and ignite a devil’s cauldron of melted icecaps, bubbling permafrost, and combustible forests from which there will be no turning back. But if we cut off the largest source of carbon dioxide, coal, we have a chance to bring CO2 back to 350 ppm and still lower through agricultural and forestry practices that increase carbon storage in trees and soil.
The essential step, then, is to phase out coal emissions over the next two decades. And to declare off limits artificial high-carbon fuels such as tar sands and shale while moving to phase out dependence on conventional petroleum as well.
This requires nothing less than an energy revolution based on efficiency and carbon-free energy sources. Alas, we won’t get there with the Waxman-Markey bill, a monstrous absurdity hatched in Washington after energetic insemination by special interests.
For all its “green” aura, Waxman-Markey locks in fossil fuel business-as-usual and garlands it with a Ponzi-like “cap-and-trade” scheme. Here are a few of the bill’s egregious flaws:
- It guts the Clean Air Act, removing EPA’s ability to regulate CO2 emissions from power plants.
- It sets meager targets — 2020 emissions are to be a paltry 13% less than this year’s level — and sabotages even these by permitting fictitious “offsets,” by which other nations are paid to preserve forests – while logging and food production will simply move elsewhere to meet market demand.
- Its cap-and-trade system, reports former U.S. Undersecretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs Robert Shapiro, “has no provisions to prevent insider trading by utilities and energy companies or a financial meltdown from speculators trading frantically in the permits and their derivatives.”
- It fails to set predictable prices for carbon, without which, Shapiro notes, “businesses and households won’t be able to calculate whether developing and using less carbon-intensive energy and technologies makes economic sense,” thus ensuring that millions of carbon-critical decisions fall short.
There is an alternative, of course, and that is a carbon fee, applied at the source (mine or port of entry) that rises continually. I prefer the “fee-and-dividend” version of this approach in which all revenues are returned to the public on an equal, per capita basis, so those with below-average carbon footprints come out ahead.
A carbon fee-and-dividend would be an economic stimulus and boon for the public. By the time the fee reached the equivalent of $1/gallon of gasoline ($115/ton of CO2) the rebate in the United States would be $2000-3000 per adult or $6000-9000 for a family with two children.
Fee-and-dividend would work hand-in-glove with new building, appliance, and vehicle efficiency standards. A rising carbon fee is the best enforcement mechanism for building standards, and it provides an incentive to move to ever higher energy efficiencies and carbon-free energy sources. As engineering and cultural tipping points are reached, the phase-over to post-fossil energy sources will accelerate. Tar sands and shale would be dead and there would be no need to drill Earth’s pristine extremes for the last drops of oil.
Some leaders of big environmental organizations have said I’m naïve to posit an alternative to cap-and-trade, and have suggested I stick to climate modeling. Let’s pass a bill, any bill, now and improve it later, they say. The real naïveté is their belief that they, and not the fossil-fuel interests, are driving the legislative process.
The fact is that the climate course set by Waxman-Markey is a disaster course. Their bill is an astoundingly inefficient way to get a tiny reduction of emissions. It’s less than worthless, because it will delay by at least a decade starting on a path that is fundamentally sound from the standpoints of both economics and climate preservation.
Former Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, who died this week, suffered for 40 years — as did our country — from his failure to turn back from a failed policy. As grave as the blunders of the Vietnam War were, the consequences of a failed climate policy will be more severe by orders of magnitude.
With the Senate debate over climate now beginning, there is still time to turn back from cap-and-trade and toward fee-and-dividend. We need to start now. Without political leadership creating a truly viable policy like a carbon fee, not only won’t we get meaningful climate legislation through the Senate, we won’t be able to create the concerted approach we need globally to prevent catastrophic climate change.

Interesting, it looks like the Waxman-Markey bill has the potential to split AGW politics down the middle (e.g. Hansen and Romm’s diametrically opposed viewpoints).
Lots of the usual hyperbole from Jim, as many have noticed. I can’t help noticing a hypocritical edge from Jim here though. He dings politicians for making hand-waving statements about stuff that will occur long after they are retired (or possibly even deceased). Isn’t that pretty much what Jim himself has spent his life doing?
I wrote to Mr Hansen recently, and amazingly enough he wrote me back. I wont post that exchange but I will post for you what my answer to him was.. I think you will get the gist …….
Actually I have read all the writings on http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1 . I have been following your work for sometime… and yes I did read Temple of Doom as well. I thought you were a bit naive to expect politicians to not to jump on a chance to do nothing and collect taxes:). I guess I’m frustrated, because while “manmade climate change” takes center stage, something which I personally believe the jury is still out on.. real world pollution, distruction, and injustices go unnoticed. Desert floors are being bulldozed for huge solar sites, mountain ridges are being clear cut and flattened for wind power using technology that is about 30 years old and more rain forest falls daily, so biofuels can be made cheaply. I fear for the environment even more now because it’s protection has been taken out of the realm of conscience and given to consensus and politicians. Here in the US .. you and Al Gore were the band leaders of that. Now we all get to live with it.
I used to cross the line for nuclear tests in Nevada. I know how frustrating it is to have a just cause and have it ignored. Playing muscle flex with the Russians gave many people cancers and health problems.. but we did not use scare tactics to achieve our agenda. I remember in the late 70’s the big news was the oncoming ice age, now its the tipping point of heat. Perhaps we do not have the entire picture yet when it comes to climate but in our human hubris we wish we had more control then we actually do. Unfortunately even if the tipping point comes, our current plan for Co2 reduction will not reduce anything. So in that, were all in the same small boat now no matter which side of the debate we fall on.
May you have a good day.
katt.
Wood’s experiment might be acceptable to a physicist, but the experiment Pete described would be understandable to the “Man on the Street”
(And, Possibly even to a Politician – if it were explained to him very carefully in short, simple sentences of monosyllabic words.)
“I prefer the “fee-and-dividend” .. ” -Jim Hansen
Hansen seems to overlook the considerable transaction costs. These would result from the tension between the incentive to cheat (to be unduly rewarded) and the need to maintain fairness within the rules of the game.
An army of bureaucrats would grow around this, including new government departments to administer emissions and determine the resulting payments. There would also be the usual advisers, accountants, and lawyers who would be paid by individuals to keep their CO2 liabilities to a minimum and/or protect them from prosecution.
There would be endless tinkering with this legislation by governments, giving us a moving feast of interference and risk of prosecution.
A large chunk of the money collected would therefore be lost to bureaucracy. So it is not a zero-sum-game for the ordinary man in the street.
chip (17:46:05) :
The numbers disturb me. The amount of CO2 has increased by 1/3 since the start of the industrial revolution? Big deal! And after this 33% increase it will only take a further increase of about 3% from 387 to 400 to doom the earth?
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Chip – I make it 4%.
If you read carefully the qoute only *seems* to say that.
“Burning just the oil and gas sitting in known fields will drive atmospheric CO2 well over 400 ppm and ignite a devil’s cauldron of melted icecaps, bubbling permafrost, and combustible forests”
Actually says “if we burn all known oil & gas” then …yadayada…
So there is “semantic/pedantic deniability” (Warmers 101)
I read it carefully as initially I thought well there’s a measurable proposition for a change but no, it will be un-said. And of course it is patently garbage.
Hansen, as loony as he can be at times, is right.
Waxman-Markey is a joke (but not in the way he says) and the G8 is pulling a fast one on the greenies. “Cap temps, not CO2!”
Hansen keeps saying heat-trapping CO2. Someone needs to explain to him that the st 100 ppm of CO2 does 90% of the heat trapping, while what is added today by humans has practically no effect (other than fertilising plant growth).
Further, Hansen unhinged is not news.
He’s been unhinged 20+ years.
“This requires nothing less than an energy revolution based on efficiency and carbon-free energy sources. […] As engineering and cultural tipping points are reached, the phase-over to post-fossil energy sources will accelerate.”
Hansen seems to demand a lot but says precious little on how one goes about achieving any of this.
If he could just stop a second and really take the point of view of an African villager, or a Indian doctor, or a Russian cafe owner, just stop and start taking these other points of view, and start to wonder about the 6 billion other points of view, he’d immediately realise that what he’s asking for is not going to happen.
Want some more of G8 and CO2?
According to Allianz and WWF your CO2 sins wont be gone by using nuclear power:
From the G8 Climate Scorecards 2009 for France:
http://knowledge.allianz.com/en/globalissues/climate_change/climate_politics/france_scorecard_09.html
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Emissions per GDP: 358 tons CO2 /M$*
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*Adjusted as if electricity from nuclear power was generated from natural gas. Without adjustment: 9 tons CO2 per capita, 276 tons CO2 per GDP, 86 grams CO2 per kWh
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Uh, oh … and why is that?
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WWF does not consider nuclear a viable policy option because of economic, environmental and safety reasons and so France’s emissions are calculated as if nuclear-generated electricity came from burning natural gas—the cleanest fossil fuel—thus moving France down to third place in the WWF/Allianz Climate Scorecards report.
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So, avoiding CO2 is good, but using the wrong source of power is bad … no, worse … no, heresy!
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
The joke is on Hansen. He had visions of agenda based on Green philosophy. He and his kind were taken for a ride on the political bus. When no longer found necessary, he and his kind will find themselves under the political bus.
He was right to voice his scientific opinion. He was wrong to drive politcal agenda by bandwaggoning it.
When the parade is over, the costumes are destined for the closet.
It’s a pity we can’t tax stupidity. Just think of the revenue Hansen and Gore alone could generate…
Well, for once Hansen is right. This is one lousy piece of legislation…
DOA
Hansen can breathe a sigh of relief:
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/inhofe_climate_change/2009/07/09/233910.html
Terry (16:46:01) :
“Of course, emission targets in 2050 have limited practical meaning — present leaders will be dead or doddering by then
Unlike Hansen, who’s doddering today.”
Hansenile Megalomania
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I have a ‘hypothesis.’ I reckon Hansen’s mother was prevented from eating coal when she was pregnant. Now he has to take it out on the rest of us.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthcomment/geoffrey-lean/5789961/Can-Barack-Obama-save-us-from-hell.html?state=target#postacomment&postingId=5794880
Latest offering from the Telegraph’s new enviro-guru Lean. He has decided to climb into bed with Holdren and Prince Charles. Fortunately those who are commenting appear not to be of like mind!
I’m not sure how this is going to play out but the warmists do seem to be getting more panic-stricken by the day. Does Hansen really really believe half of what he is saying?
. The AGW climate doomers and gloomers advocate massive misallocation of money[ really borrowed tax payer’s money and a future debt] to address the false crisis of global warming, when real crises that kill tens of millions every year, like lack of health care, lack of food, lack of shelters, poverty and the preparation for future global cooling go wanting. In the US many people live in tents and in poverty without jobs while the governments spent billions of tax payer’s dollars fighting global warming that has not existed for a decade nor is it likely to return for decades. Surely one must sense the waste that is happening here with the tax payer’s money and the massive deception that now is being recognized by the public. Mother Nature has a plan to cool this planet for the next many decades and those who advocate massive reduction of fossil fuel generated energy better get their global warming furnaces running fast because they are going to be in their Bermuda shorts while a severe blizzard is raging outside. The climate of the 1960-1970s is returning as the oceans cool .The 2008/2009 winter was just the beginning of what has already started in many parts of the world.
Even if it goes down in flames in the Senate, don’t think for a minute that the basic issue is dead and buried. We’ve been down that road before, and this sort of thing rises from the grave like a zombie every few years. The true believers in AC3 (or in the profit/political power to be made from it ) will not be dissuaded by what they will view as a temporary setback. They will simply adopt new tactics, don new camouflage and carry on with their holy mission.
Look beyond this obsession with climate change and plan for the next assault on reason and liberty, whatever guise it may draped in.
Curiousgeorge,
“Forget the fat lady. You’re obsessed with the fat lady.”
😀
A counterfeit bill for a counterfeit problem seems very much like poetic justice.
Now the prophet of doom is finding out that profits of doom don’t really give a rat’s behind what his holiness has to say.
It would be funny if it was not going to cost us all so much before the madness ends.
So CO2 is in the cauldron du jour. It wAs ice, then Y2K, ozone hole . Witch doctors always have a medium. They raise a massive threat. Fore tell evil consequences and then promise they have the key, cure or only hope. That explains where hope and change comes from. If there is no wicked ugly evil threat, they can’t sell their nasty medicine.
Jim Hansen is director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, but he writes on this policy-related topic as a private citizen.….Since his job is related and possibly dependent on perpetuating the global warming catastrophe scare, ya sure we believe that he’s writing as a private citizen.
If he’s truly writing as a “private citizen” then only mention his field of study not for whom he employed with….
We should ignore Mr. Hansen (IMO, he does not deserve the title Dr. He may have earnt it, at some time, but he does not deserve the “prestiege” the title holds).
“Actually Hansen has a peer.”
Lord Stern.
@ur momisugly Mark Young (05:01:03) :
“Curiousgeorge,
“Forget the fat lady. You’re obsessed with the fat lady.”
:D”
I was wondering if anyone would catch that allusion to the movie, and recognize the similarities to the climate change debate. 🙂
Perhaps Jim is a CLOSET CREATIONIST.
He seems to think the world began 600,000 years ago in the garden of Eden.
… and he wants to bring us back there.
If I recall correctly it was a Snake that tempted poor old Eve. Maybe he thinks that this time around it is Snake Oil that we have to fear – and he is right. The Snake Oil of Climate Alarmism is very tempting, especially to the big companies poised to make a fortune out of it.