Real Climate Permits The Continued Presentation Of Misinformation Part II
There are comments on the Real Climate weblog More bubkes regarding why I did not comment further on Arctic sea ice trends. This is because I weblogged on it in June in my post
A Comment On A 1999 Paper “Global Warming And Northern Hemisphere Sea Ice Extent By Vinnikov Et Al
I concluded that weblog with the text
“Until later in 2007, the sea ice areal extent continued to decrease in a manner which, at least visually, is consistent with the Vinnikov et al 1999 predictions (although the actual values of areal coverage differ substantially between the observations and the predictions, perhaps as a result of their formulation to compute areal coverage).
However, since 2006, the reduction has stopped and even reversed. Perhaps this is a short term event and the reduction of sea ice extent will resume. Nonetheless, the reason for the turn around, even if short term, needs an explanation. Moreover, this data provides a valuable climate metric to assess whether the multi-decadal global models do have predictive skill as concluded in the Vinnikov et al 2009 paper.”
It should be recognized that the Vinnikov et al plots are not at the time of the September minumum. I agree completely that the minumum in sea ice coverage in the last few years has been at record low levels, and, currently, the sea ice is melting at a rate that is greater than average (see).
I also want to repeat what I wrote in my July 2 2009 weblog Response By Roger A. Pielke Sr. To The Real Climate Weblog “More Bubkes”
By overstating what is actually occurring within the climate system (which they clearly did in their original weblog and perpetuated in their second weblog), they provide fodder for those who conclude that the human intervention in the climate system is minimal. To emphasize my view, it is summarized in my weblogs
Summary Of Roger A. Pielke Sr’s View Of Climate Science
Roger A. Pielke Sr.’s Perspective On The Role Of Humans In Climate Change
Roger A. Pielke Sr.’s Perspective On Adaptation and Mitigation
I am of the opinion, shared by others, that it is best to simply NOT give that URL ANY traffic – the best way to contribute to their demise !
Gavin Scmidt’s comments and views are also being widely disseminated in the article, 5 Climate Studies That Don’t Live Up to the Hype Friday, July 03, 2009 at Popular Mechanics and FoxNews.
Gavin spins this nicely…Sound like a skeptic but leave the core position alone.
It is becoming (but for the trillions of dollars wasted) kinda fun to watch the alarmists deal with the fact their basic model is flawed in more ways than they can imagine. Donning the skeptic’s cloak and flying the “anti-Hype” flag is clever, if futile, as the science goes against the Team.
It should be recognized that the Vinnikov et al plots are not at the time of the September minumum. I agree completely that the minumum in sea ice coverage in the last few years has been at record low levels, and, currently, the sea ice is melting at a rate that is greater than average.
Do records extend past half my lifetime? What is the definition of forever? Was was the extent of Arctic Sea Ice during the Mideval Warm period?
When you say record low, define the period that you are describing.
I have a different take. Gavin might be building an escape hatch, if things shift the other way. 8^)
I hereby submit an idea for the measurement of the undermining of the AGW theory. The method I propose is the use of Google Ads as proxies for the measurement of the two world views. We all have experienced that no matter which blog we visit, the “Ads by Google” always seem heavily weighted as to how we can “save the polar bears” and such. I predict and submit that trend might be shifting, ever so slightly from where it has been.
A ray of sunlight has parted the overcast skies. I can now report that I am beginning to see some pixels of hope. Are you all taking note of the ad here for Ian Wishart’s “AIR CON” book? Think about it. “Yeah, that’s good” you might say, even, as it is at WUWT. HOWEVER, imagine this ad being displayed on the blogs on the “other side” of the argument. Yeahhh, baby. Now THAT is progress, hee. Go, Google, go! 8^)
I cannot understand why the folks at RC would attack a scientist of such repute as Dr. Pielke – and within their own field of expertise. The only explanation I can come up with is that they feel threatened by the confidence this acclaimed climate expert displays in picking apart their arguments, many of which are no longer supported by recent data. Roger Pielke seems to be far more interested in uncovering the truth than supporting any particular agenda. Isn’t discovery what it is supposed to be all about? When did politics enter into scientific equations?
They’re on the attack (lulo (01:15:46) : ) because he’s putting up measured, sensation-free counters to their alarming positions.
“When did politics enter into scientific equations?”
When politicians see ways to make money out of it and to be seen upon the world’s stage to be “Doing Something” (Gets them to go to nice places like Rio too)
Whilst the likes of our esteemed Messers Watts, Id, McIntyre & Joe the Diatribeguy are merely “amateurs” and so their views are worthless in the eyes of the “professional” climatologists (But I’d say that a weatherman is actually a “Practical Climatologist”), the likes of the Pielkes & Roy Spencer are from their side of the fence and thus are traitors and turncoats, paid by “Big Oil/Coal/Gas/Nuclear, who’s opinions need stamping out before their misinformation diverts innocents from the path of righteousness.
Why aren’t those guys *HAPPY* that there is significant evidence that human produced CO2 is not a problem? Why do they want man to be evil?
Cap’n Aubrey Pielke. I haven’t called him Pielke Pere in vain.
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The Admirable Pielke Pere batters the Fortress Real Climate, stronghold of the alarmist warmistas. Return fire is weak and disorganized and only gives the wily ol’ scientist another target.
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Andy Revkin’s having a deja vu. He heard this all last year on Dot Earth from me and many others. He could look it up.
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I know this is OT & apologies,but on the theme of science facts – it’s no good having these facts if they are silenced.
In the UK we now have this little beauty – Long Live the Beautiful Father! http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/public_sector/article6639289.ece
Your NEXT boys & girls, Stalin never died, he just slipped quietly away into the background waiting to pounce, & now he does!
AtB
The AGW extremists attack Dr. Pielke exactly because he is reputable and accomplished.
One of the most pernicious but effective lies told by the Schmidt and his ilk is that skeptics are led by Rush Limbaugh. If they actually admit that Dr. Pielke and Lindzen and Christy, etc. etc. etc. are peers, they lose a useful tool to control the public debate.
Interesting to note that the AMSRE Sea Ice extent Record High” was set this spring as the 2009 levels exceeded ALL previously recorded extents!
And this only two years after the 2007 season set record low sea ice extents in September.
Then again, I though the “classic” AGW cry of “The icecaps will melt and we’re all gonna die” theory held that low ice coverage increases heat reception which then causes more ice melts and an ever-increasing artic temperature …. Maybe Gore’s AGW theory was wrong?
OT, but interesting from Reuters.
(http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersComService_2_MOLT/idUSTRE5661Q520090707)
Putin treated Obama to black caviar with sour cream, smoked beluga with pancakes and tea made in the traditional Russian samovar, a big coal-fired kettle.
All that CO2, tut, tut!
DonK31 (00:57:53) :
The title says it all, lol.
http://climatesanity.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/dont-panic-the-arctic-has-survived-warmer-temperatures-in-the-past/
We now have wind strong enough to send ice chunks out of the Arctic and into warmer waters. Which has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with the PDO and where the jet stream is. This is so simple.
http://squall.sfsu.edu/gif/jetstream_norhem_00.gif
BTW;-)
I said in a post a while back to our Colonial cousins, watch out what they try to sneak through the net. Today is of course 7/7, the anniversary of the London bombings & a memorial sculpture has been unveiled in London, & yet another son of Britain has fallen in Helmand Province, that’s 5 in as many days. So all the eyes are focussed elsewhere. Watch out for 9/11 guys, did they try to slip something under the radar on 4th July? Watch out for what they try & slip under the radar whilst the MSM lap up a heart rending story or two during your anniversay rememberances. Trust me, these green eco-fascists have no scruples when it comes to getting their own way. I believe you chaps have a wonderful expression for this kind of thing – being “hogtied”!
Science has been tossed out the window and these pseudo scientists ignore the science and continue with their politics.
So corrupt and a reflection of the people that voted for this.
People that so easily fall for the AGW deception are also to foolish to realize that they are destroying the rich lifestyle they so enjoy.
Sea ice extent is a silly metric to use anyway.
I find a bit of irony in all the post about real climate. Lots of pot meet kettle going on here!
Cheers,
Ben
Shawn and most others at WUWT:
I find it amusing that you refer to real researchers as “pseudo scientist”, while this supposedly scientific blog contains close to nothing scientific. Self deception seems to be widespread around here:)
Whenever I read the word ‘weblogged’, I imagine my grandfather trying to get on the interwebs with his typewriter.
Personally I don’t believe human induced warming has had any affect on sea ice as yet and what we’re seeing is a result of short term weather pattern changes. I’m not saying some warming hasn’t happened, it’s just really small and my own guess is that it’s far smaller than HadCrut shows.
Global sea ice is actually up and came near a 30 year record high early this year. We’ll find out in time how bad warming really is and I for one am comfortable with waiting it out rather than plunging into socialism as the cure for a healthy economy.
Sea ice extent is a silly metric to use anyway.
It’s important because the extent (as opposed to volume) directly affects albedo.
I find a bit of irony in all the post about real climate. Lots of pot meet kettle going on here!
Not really. If the message of your post were reversed, it would never see the light of day on RC.
Pamela-what happened to Summer? in NE Oregon? got up to fall like winds and cool temps.So nice to know Global Warming is real.I guess the Warmists are not interested in empirical results until the Ice sheet is in downtown Chicago…
Yet we still convert food to fuel..