Final vote: 219 Yea, 212 Nay
Lets hope for defeat in the Senate. The list of votes is below.
As they say, making legislation is like making sausage. There’s a final product, but you surely don’t want to see the ugly process of it being made.
Today, those of us watching CSPAN, saw the ugliness of the sausage factory.
Here is the link to the vote tally:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll477.xml
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Tom in Texas (16:47:59) :
“Here is a list of the votes. They didn’t bother to indicate party.”
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll477.xml
The republican votes are in italcis.
I kept c-span on in the background and I’ve already heard two reps speak harsh words about the passing of the bill. I did not catch their names.
The second rep was comparing it with the Amish. He can respect the people who make the choice to live like that, but it should not be decided for everybody by the federal government. He said something along the lines that in the future the world can come visit areas in the US like today tourists go visit Amish country.
He proceeded to sketch the effect on metal industry and how in a potential next war, the US will not even have the industry capacity to produce the necessary materials. Maybe the weapons can be bought from China.
Another rep is talking about it now, too.
Sullivan and Flake did not vote…
Another rep talking right now about “science is never settled”.
And he had some strong language on the 300 pages addition that was still needed last minute after all these bragged about 1000’s of hours to put the bill together.
First step? Oh Really?
What is the second step? Nuclear armageddon?
“mapopulistnow (16:50:45) :
Regardless of how you feel abut climate change, cap and trade is a very bad concept. It promotes fraud, corruption and inefficient market responses. With all of the various loopholes and special interests, present and prospective, an appropriate analogy to cap & trade would be the income tax code. Further, cap & trade will accelerate the transfer of many good paying middle class mfgr. jobs to those nations that are not required to follow cap & trade restrictions, such as China, India, Russia and Brazil.”
Russia has made a mint from cap and trade in Europe. They were practically the only country to have done so because they were given tons of free credits based on Soviet Union-era levels of CO2 emissions. With the billions of euros Russia made from the sale of those credits, Putin filled the deep pockets of his friends, forcibly nationalised successful private companies and then give them to friends, then expanded the Russian military to bully neighbouring countries. The Kremlin oligarchy’s puppet Oleg Deripaska is one of 16 global business leaders who drafted CEO Climate Policy Recommendations for the G8 in order to make sure the money keeps rolling his way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_Deripaska
Deripaska is one of 16 global business leaders who drafted CEO Climate Policy Recommendations to G8 Leaders, a document outlining international business community’s proposals to effectively tackle global warming. The proposals were signed by more than 100 of the world’s leading corporations and handed to Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda on June 20, 2008. G8 leaders discussed the recommendations during the summit in Japan on July 7-9, 2008. The process was coordinated by the World Economic Forum in collaboration with the World Business Council for Sustainable Development.
You read correct, a non-scientist who has taken over companies by threatening to kill CEOs and has been implicated in the murder of businessmen who refused to bow to the Kremlin, was one of a handful of people who drafted global climate policy.
Now your elitist cronies are doing the same in the US.
Re: Aron (16:25:08)
“By playing this thing as a Democrat Vs Republican thing many of you fall into the trap…”
I could not agree more. An Indian man talking on public radio said that the US Government was showing signs of becoming an immature democracy. It is painful to have to agree with a man from what we thought of as the third world, but understands us better than we do ourselves. I don’t know how you reconstitute a deliberative body out of this degeneracy. It may be a harder task than the founding fathers had.
So congress fights phantoms (global warming) in the name of party loyalty. It is like children play acting roles that they have witnessed but don’t understand. The motions are made but to no good purpose. Worse, they are destructive.
In the meantime our debt grows. Real progress on energy independence isn’t made. Job losses continue. Federal revenue declines. More core competency is lost. We may be banging pots and shouting from the roofs in a couple of years.
Fortunately (and unfortunately) that’s Mel Watt, my representative. He has a gerrymandered district that’s 1 mile wide and 180 miles long. What do you think the chances are for my climate voice to be heard in DC.
Time to get on your Senators. Let them know how you feel. EPA rushed the endangerment finding, House crammed 300 pages of amendment in at the last second, no one read the [self-snip]ing thing, there is no hurry to flush our economy down the toilet, et cetera.
Nancy had to get this passed…she just bought stock in some clean energy company…and I suppose the price of that stock just went way up…Of course, if all of us leave the country, there will be no one left to pay Nancy’s salary and no one for her to terrorize. 2010 elections can’t come fast enough.
Tom of Texas
Party is clearly shown in the roll call vote by:
“(Democrats in roman; Republicans in italic; Independents underlined)”
IT’S NOT TRUE! CO2 IS NOT CAUSING ANYTHING! ……….. oops, I hadn’t read “the people of great prominence” part ……..
Robert Wood (16:53:29) :
you are quite right Sir. But, the myth has it another way and most people only know the myth.
Well, we must always seek to enlighten if we are to progress.
“…most people only know the myth…” of AGW, too.
This bill needs three reams of paper to make a hard copy. History tells us that although the US may get reamed once, it never gets done twice. Three times is aspirationally laughable!
Re- David L. Hagen (16:47:21):
I’m calling all of the republicans who voted for this bill even though my rep voted against it.
I’m also thinking of calling some of the senators like Snowe and McCain. This bill is wrong.
I’m trying to console myself that my own Congressman votes by using common sense. He voted no.
Sound collision alarm. The USS Economy is going to have a tough time finding utopian energy sources.
I am reminded of the REM Song . .
It’s the end of the world as we know it,
its the end of the world as we know it,
its the end of the world as we know it,
and I feel (substitute my word here) MAD AS HELL!!!!
Arn Riewe (17:04:26) :
Yeah, i saw that right after I posted. Too quick to pull the trigger.
Bono Mack? Mary? CAL
Castle DEL
Kirk ILL
Lance NJ
LoBiondo NJ
McHugh NY
Reichert WA
Smith NJ
Word is that 300 pages of amendments were added in the early morning hours of today. That is sneaky and devious. I wonder if those amendments were designed to buy the votes of the 8 Republicans who moved to the dark side? I would guess that no member of the House actually read what those 300 pages contained or even the original 900 pages.
Didn’t President Obama promise us a four day period of airing all legislation before coming to a vote?
My Rep (Geo. Miller, Jr.) voted for, despite 100% of those who took the time to email his office asked that he vote no. I guess Georgie Jr. doesn’t include representing his constituents as part of his governance philosophy. I guess he is a leftist ideologue instead.
May 26, 2009 now goes down as the day the House Democrats (+8 Republicans) voted for the largest regressive tax in the history of the United States. Shame on all of you.
If this passes the Senate, then within a couple of years I think the consequences will be obvious, and I would like to think it will become a huge political liability to have been on the AYE side of this vote. It may be possible to repeal it at that point, maybe limiting the damage.
On the other hand, what happened to those who passed Smoot-Hawley? How long did it take before a consensus formed that Smoot-Hawley had been economically disastrous? When did this enter into the public perception, if at all? I suspect that the Smoot-Hawley AYE voters escaped any accountability.
If this does become law, I hope people will be clear-minded enough to recognize the relationship between this law and the economic consequences that will follow. Certainly there will be an effort to discredit anyone who tries to connect the two.
Laureate-in-waiting, the POTUS appears not to have recognised that the Chinese saying ‘May you live in interesting times’ was meant as a curse, not a challenge!
If I was a betting man, I’d be putting Nix on his re-election!
Make that June. I’m so angry I can’t think.
ohioholic (16:40:21) :
Haha, yeah those translation websites/softwares are not reliable. But you’re right, maybe it’s a good time to learn Chinese and even start considering a relocation to China. I am all for living under a less socialistic regime.
8 Republicans voted for the biggest tax increase in the history of the world?! Even the CBO admits it will wreck the American economy. Why can’t they see the truth– algore orchestrated everything, hes probably going to gain another 20 pounds tonight eating a really big cheesecake to celebrate.