Final vote: 219 Yea, 212 Nay
Lets hope for defeat in the Senate. The list of votes is below.
As they say, making legislation is like making sausage. There’s a final product, but you surely don’t want to see the ugly process of it being made.
Today, those of us watching CSPAN, saw the ugliness of the sausage factory.
Here is the link to the vote tally:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll477.xml
I’m still trying to find where in the constitution that it says Americans can be taxed for the benefit of other countries.
We need to fight this, either via the courts or by mass protests and lawful disobedience.
We can’t let this bill become live…
Encouragingly, Bill Foster (D) (Illinois) from my congressional district voted against it. Foster (like myself) is a high-energy particle physicist who worked at Fermilab around the same time I did. Goes to show you that there are scientists and Congressman who use their noodle and don’t buy into the AGW hype. He is on record in the past saying he believes climate change is real and dangerous, but I guess W-M was a bit much.
The Senate vote will be a lot tougher. This bill is junk.
Cheers.
Mark (16:29:22) : Not necessarily. If those of you represented by Democrat senators can make enough noise, maybe we can win some converts.
KEEP THE PRESSURE ON!
This was a very positive exercise.
Lessons learned:
• fight the “big lie” head-on. Don’t be shy…
• forget about Republicrats and Demuglicans… They’re all working against us. It’s the “War On You” … it’s a big club and you’re not invited to the club… and if you don’t like it we’ll GPS your front door and send out the SWAT team … ( or maybe use predator drones flown by video-gamers? )
• build a coalition of all the various different groups who are being systematically SCREWED …. and you will find that We The People outnumber the traitors by several orders of magnitude.
• fight for HR 1207 & S.604 and against the Senate version of HR2454 with everything we’ve got.
• join Campaign for Liberty
• join Downsize DC
• End the FED
• get yourself some Liberty Stickers
• educate local politicians about global cooling
• fight global governance every time it pops up
WHOA-LOL, one of the Dem NAYS is named: McIntyre
Coincidence? Hehe…
Very disturbing, I think Jeff11 (10:32:55) makes quote of the week with – “the most expensive suicide note in history.”
Will the last one to leave advanced industrialised western democracy please turn out the lights? Oh, wait, you’re already doing that…
Seriously I am impressed by the effort of those posting here in contacting their representatives in an effort to stop this scientificaly hollow economic madness. Please keep up your efforts. It is not just the future of American freedom at stake. If America gives up control of it’s economy to unelected global scocialists in the UN many other nations will suffer.
Pamela Gray & Mark
See each legislator’s vote at: H R 2454 RECORDED VOTE 26-Jun-2009 7:17 PM American Clean Energy and Security Act
Tell your friends and your legislator what you think of your legislator’s vote.
Here is a list of the votes. They didn’t bother to indicate party.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll477.xml
I noticed Mr. Watt voted Aye.
I haven’t heard of Any political pundits that think this thing has a Chance of getting through “Closure.”
Regardless of how you feel abut climate change, cap and trade is a very bad concept. It promotes fraud, corruption and inefficient market responses. With all of the various loopholes and special interests, present and prospective, an appropriate analogy to cap & trade would be the income tax code. Further, cap & trade will accelerate the transfer of many good paying middle class mfgr. jobs to those nations that are not required to follow cap & trade restrictions, such as China, India, Russia and Brazil.
A much better approach would be to impose a carbon tax and increase motor fuel taxes. At least the marketplace and general public would have certainty and market decisions would be efficient. Responses would be investments in energy efficiency and not more attorney and lobbyist fees to “beat the system”.
Personally, I think we should have graduated annual increases in gasoline taxes over a ten year period of time totaling $1.00 or $2.00 a gallon. It should be designed to give motorists and businesses sufficient time to adjust and purchase more efficient cars and trucks.
When I first saw the picture, I was thinking, not of a sausage, but of something that goes in the toilet and thought that was an appropriate picture of what this bill really is. Then I scrolled down and saw the rest of the picture. Ooops. But this bill does belong in the toilet, consider 222 voted for it without reading, much less understand it. Brilliant.
However, President Obama has to pay for the economic stimulus somehow. After all, nothing encourages a country to get out a recession like more taxes. (note the sarcasm) The problem is that the US economy affects the global economy. More taxes is going to prolong the recession and thus prolong global economy recovery. Already many major corporations have said they are going to leave this county if this bill passes. In 20 years, people will look back at this and see that it was the reason why the economy was so bad for so long. You think the economy is bad now, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
I can’t believe 8 Republicans voted for this green pile of crap. They need to be forced from the party. Barry is rapidly remaking the country I love into a second rate country. I hate it.
Anthony wrote: > Today, those of us watching CSPAN, saw the ugliness of the sausage factory.
Would you elaborate briefly on that? I’m very curious.
Mark wrote (16:29:22): > I doubt the Senate will defeat this bill. It’s almost filibuster proof.
It’s actually not quite so dire, my friend. In fact, on the contrary. Read what Senator Inhofe recently said about it:
http://fortcollinsteaparty.com/index.php/2009/06/26/cap-and-trade-bill-passes-the-house/
Steve Moore,
you are quite right Sir. But, the myth has it another way and most people only know the myth.
If 4 of the 8 republicans had voted no……
Eve,
Canadians thrive on cold, they don’t die from it. 🙂
The Iowa dems; braely, lobsack, and boswell voted for. if I spelled their names wrong, who gives a [snip].
Many say that this bill will die in the Senate. But I wouldn’t take that for granted. There are enough RINOs (including McCain) to put it over. The trick is to get the fossil-fuel-state Democrats to vote against.
I can’t help there. I’m in Massachusetts.
Does anyone know if the same or a very similar bill (plus the 300-page atrocity that Boehner had fun with today) has been introduced in the Senate?
In the long run, the only way (besides kicking all the Democrats out) to undermine the whole farrago is to kick out the support on which it is based: the myth that CO2 is causing ‘climate change’. Without that justification, the argument for cap-and-trade disintegrates.
We just need a few people of great prominence (well, at least one) to stand up and shout, “It’s not true! CO2 is not causing anything!”
/Mr Lynn
Truly an exercise in stupidity. If this passes the Senate, I’m moving out. I also want the names of those who voted for this. I want them out of our congress in the next election. More someone should propose a bill to strip them of any pay or perks after they are out of office.
Unfortunately, there is no cure for stupidity.
Jesse
I just fired off an email to my representative Jared Polis of Colorado who voted yes on the bill and told him, that as far as I was concerned he had violated the trust of the public and his oath of office by voting for a bill he could not possibly have read and understood. More over it was an appallingly bad bill.
As a consequence I felt he could not be trusted, and did not deserve to ever hold another elected office. I told him that I would actively work for his opponent in every future election.
Larry
This is a (modified) repost, Anthony, feel free to delete it.
Folks, every cloud has a silver lining, even this one.
Give them their fleeting moment of celebration. They deserve it after all the hard work they’ve put into the plotting, the manipulation and the manouvering to get where they have gotten today.
They have won a battle and they think they have won a war. This is their Pearl Harbour and they have woken the sleeping giant, personified by Joe the soon-to-be unemployed plumber.
It’ll be bloody, that’s for sure but, at least, it focuses the mind of the reluctant to engage, the slow to react but, ultimately, the unstoppable victors to sweep away, for once and for all, the madness that threatens the very core of our existence that defines who we are and we’d lost track of fior far too long.
Today, the US got caught with its pants down, by the ‘Party for the people that puts Party before the People’
Today, Tora,Tora but not after Tomorrow!
Sow what ye shall reap – repent and we might just forgive you- but you’ll not be forgotten! Some names live on in History for all the right reasons – some don’t!
Re- Lee Kington (16:41:47):
Thanks.
I’ve already called one of them on multiple phones and they are all full of messages. I’m calling every single one of them and giving them an earful, I don’t care that I’m not in their districts. They sold us out over the interests of foreigners.
Wade (16:52:37) :
Said: You think the economy is bad now, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
You are so right. If this passes the senate, it will be the final nail in the coffin of the US. The country I have fought for and worked for is becoming a place where I no longer want to live.
Jesse
Actually if 4 of the 10, since 2 did not vote at all…