The Waxman-Markey pre-vote count – where you can help

OK folks, time to engage in our rights of citizenship. You know what to do. Phones and email contact info at the bottom. – Anthony

UPDATE2: test vote passes narrowly, 7 votes needed to defeat this bill – Anthony

UPDATE: C-SPAN1 is covering this live, there is a live media streaming page which you can access here:

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx

CSPAN also has live phone in. Phone in your comments: (202)585-3885 , -3886, -3887

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Waxman and Markey

From GreenHell blog the Waxman-Markey pre-vote count…

Waxman-markey pre-liminary head-count as of Thursday afternoon (courtesy Myron Ebell):

218 needed to win…

Yes

Yes = 175

Leaning Yes = 35

TOTAL = 210

Undecided = 20

No

No = 190

Leaning No = 14

TOTAL = 204

Undecided or Won’t Say:

Kirkpatrick Az

Boyd Fla

Brown Fla

Bishop Ga

R Kirk Ill

Foster Ill

Donnelly Ind

R Jones NC

McIntyre NC

R Frelinghuysen NJ

Tonko NY

Arcuri NY

Space Ohio (he voted for it in committee)

Carney Penna.

Davis Tenn

Al Green Tex

Jackson Lee Tex

Ortiz Tex

Eddie Bernice Johnson Tex

Kind Wisc

Leaning Yes:

Mitchell Az

Cardoza Calif

Costa Calif

Baca Calif

R Castle Del

Grayson Fla

Meek Fla

Kozmas Fla

Abercrombie Hi

Bean Ill

R Cao La

Kratovil Md

R Ehlers Mich

Kildee Mich

Schauer Mich

Peters Mich

Clay Mo

Skelton Mo

Thompson Miss

Shuler NC

Adler NJ

Lance NJ

Meeks NY

McMahon NY

Murphy NY

R McHugh NY

Maffei NY

Driehaus Ohio

Fudge Ohio

Kilroy Ohio

Cooper Tenn

Edwards Tex

Rodriguez Tex

Nye Va

Kagan Wisc

Leaning No:

Salazar Colo

Marshall Ga

Boswell Iowa

Minnick Idaho

Halvorson Ill

Etheridge NC

Kissell NC

Massa NY

Kaptur Ohio

Boccieri Ohio

R Gerlach Penna

Hinojosa Tex

Mollohan WV

Rahall WV

U.S. readers can use this link…

http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml

…to contact their representative and senators regarding the Waxman-Markey bill.

The link makes it very easy to send an email or make a phone call.

Use the US Representatives link after clicking on the link above since this vote will occur in the House of Representatives.

A one or two sentence email, or a one minute call is all that is necessary. Just mention that you’re a constituent of the Representative or Senator, that it’s a bad bill, and ask him/her to please vote against it.

Elected folks keep score. They have their staffs keep a tally of pro and con calls, letters and emails. If they hear from enough people, it can make a difference.

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Brute
June 26, 2009 9:56 am

Called Congressman Sarbanes office and urged a no vote (for what good it will do). Surprised I actually got to speak to a live person. He’s a radical Leftist (as was his father who he inherited his seat from) but nonetheless, I called.
God, this is crazy…….we must get rid of these people (vote them out).

Pamela Gray
June 26, 2009 9:57 am

Are you saying that the House is full of wussies? I actually believe you. I have seen “token” bills get out of there to be roundly and rightly defeated in the Senate. I will have to ask my Oregon reps (not just my own) if they are given a pill at the outset of their job that brings on this strange malady. Passing token legislation just for your voting record is grounds for “next time around” dismissal as far as I am concerned.

John Galt
June 26, 2009 10:02 am

MarkusR (07:30:58) :
You denialists are going to be responsible for the suffering and mass extinctions that AGW is bringing about onto this planet

What you can’t deny is what the road to hell is paved with nor can you deny the laws of unintended consequences.
Let’s assume AGW will be responsible for future mass extinctions. Will the bill do anything to stop that? Undeniably it will not.
Let’s assume all those computer models are correct. Run the models with the effects of Waxman-Markey. Will it make any noticeable difference? Undeniably it will not.
Whatever else, no one can deny that you carbon irrationalists are in complete denial of reality when it comes to Waxman-Markey, Kyoto, the ‘green economy’ and the untold suffering and economic losses this bill will cause.

Ray
June 26, 2009 10:04 am

TO ALL CANADIANS:
Canada is also going down that same path. Instead of waiting for a last minute protest action, we should start today to tell our elected officials that we don’t want it and will vote against anyone that will vote for suck bill. We must let them know today that they must vote on this according to what the voting people want and not according to their party position.
If all fails, we might have our own Maple Leaf Revolution.

Curiousgeorge
June 26, 2009 10:05 am

The final hours of debate in the House has begun. CSPAN1 is airing on cable/satellite.

Eve
June 26, 2009 10:06 am

I am a Canadian so I cannot call but I certainly hope this bill fails. This is the second year that crops in Canada and the Northern US are 3 weeks late. Not that slowing Co2 emissions will have any effect but…who wants it to be colder? We will see food price increases again this year as we have since 07. The problem in Canada is that since Obama’s election, our government has seen the “light” and is now looking at a carbon emission cap/market scheme. And we just threw out the last nutball who dared to suggest a Carbon Tax. It never ends. These guys have dollar signs dancing in their heads. I know this is not about temperature.

Tamara
June 26, 2009 10:07 am

Pamela,
Your proposed defection has brought a little happiness to this otherwise sad discussion. I am glad that such a thoughtful person as yourself would choose principle over party affiliation. We need more like you in the world. 🙂

April E. Coggins
June 26, 2009 10:08 am

All I am getting are busy signals. Any suggestions?

Stephen Parrish
June 26, 2009 10:15 am

Warm is always better than cold (and often better than cool). This crap is anti-industrialist, anti-liberty and anti-human at its elemental level.

John Laidlaw
June 26, 2009 10:15 am

Unfortunate, not being a citizen (just a taxpayer), there’s not a lot I can do today, and I believe Wisconsin’s representation is already decided (typically, regardless of what the majority think). But I would recommend folks have a look at Roger Pielke Jr.’s post on the subject:
http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2009/06/for-those-of-you-interested-in-w-m-vote.html
He gives his usual level-headed take, albeit briefly.

John Galt
June 26, 2009 10:20 am

For posterity, I wish to claim the terms carbon irrationalist and climate irrationalist.
Thank you

Benjamin
June 26, 2009 10:25 am

I didn’t see my rep’s name anywhere, decided or leaning. I wrote him anyway though (Visclosky, IN-1st) to let him know what I think of this peice of junk legislation.
I think it will pass. Too many “leaning yes” on the list. And hey, if these guys are talking about taxing health care (“free” or otherwise) in economic times like these… well, why wouldn’t they pass this nail in the coffin?

Jeff11 (in the UK)
June 26, 2009 10:32 am

Just to say that I find it truly incredible, sitting here on the “other side of the pond” watching your “Honourable Representatives” preparing to sign what could well be the most expensive suicide note in history.

Les Johnson
June 26, 2009 10:33 am

Eve: How dare you call the author of The Green Shift, a nutball.
Why, he even named his dog Kyoto. (yes, he really did)
Of course, in the Texas vernacular , “that dog cain’t hunt.”

ecliptic
June 26, 2009 10:38 am

We must defeat HR 2454 / HR 2998.
There are no coincidences. As two treasonous bills are being rammed through the congress …
voila!
Two big-name celebrities pass away and the Fawning Corporate Media { “mockingbird media” } are running a full-scale distraction op to keep the American people away from the real news . . .
like magic!
Go to house.gov website and find your Representative by clicking button in the upper-left corner.

Kath
June 26, 2009 10:40 am

We managed to keep the NDP out at the last provincial election. While the current Liberal party did introduce a “revenue neutral” carbon tax, it’s the lesser of two evils. The NDP wanted to replace the carbon tax with cap and trade.

AEGeneral
June 26, 2009 10:44 am

John G. Bell (09:52:37) :
Now that Cohen’s future has been decided for him he is free to vote his mind. Or will he take charge of his fate and listen to his constituents?

He voted for TARP. I know first hand that at one point he had received 57 phone calls, 56 of which were against it (influential people in my office, one of whom has his cell #). In the end, he ignored it.
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=22428&can_id=24340
He hasn’t been listening since he made it to Washington.

Ray
June 26, 2009 10:45 am

DO they really want a full fledged revolution….
After CO2 now they will be looking at phasing out alcohol globally.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8118475.stm

ecliptic
June 26, 2009 10:46 am

“I’m a constituent of Representative ______________ and I strongly oppose HR 2454 / HR 2998.
I strongly oppose all global taxation schemes. Any support for global governance is treason.
The central thesis that CO2 is causing warming is incorrect. The earth is now cooling since 2003…
The “Smart Grid” is nothing short of a total control grid. It would become the infrastructure for Orwell’s 1984.
This is a bad piece of legislation and the Democrats’ attempts to ram it through are reprehensible.”

Irate Patriot
June 26, 2009 10:49 am

Is there a web site that keeps voting records on who voted what on each bill that is ran through Congress? If so, can someone post the web address to it?

Ray
June 26, 2009 10:51 am

Looks like they want to pull out the bill until later today because they are loosing:
http://algorelied.com/?p=2316

George E. Smith
June 26, 2009 10:53 am

“”” twawki (06:08:57) :
Another good article here;
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/06/26/morning-bell-waxman-markey-bill-is-an-energy-tax-that-doesnt-work/
Quote “There’s one thing the Waxman-Markey cap and trade bill doesn’t do: Work. All of the above-mentioned costs accrue in the first 25 years of a 90-year program that, as calculated by climatologists, will lower temperatures by only hundredths of a degree Celsius in 2050 and no more than two-tenths of a degree Celsius at the end of the century. In the name of saving the planet for future generations, Waxman-Markey does not sound like a great deal: Millions of lost jobs, trillions of lost income, 50-90 percent higher energy prices, and stunning increases in the national debt, all for undetectable changes in world temperature. Who’s buying that?” “””
Well anyone who believes this bill and its agenda is going to lower global temperatures; or lower or even limit the growth of atmospheric CO2 is simply living in a dream world. It isn’t going to happen even if they pass this bill; and then turn loose a handfull of unelected, borderline criminally insane beaurocrats to make regulations (EPA) to tax people for breathing.
So they are going to eliminate carbonaceous fossil fuels, and replace them with free green renewable energy ?
Balderdash ! There’s a reason why free green clean renewable energy is so much more expensive that fossil fuels. It takes more energy capital to make market usable free green clean renewable energy available; and that energy capital comes from fossil fuels containing carbon.
The wasteful government subsidies used to bribe ignorant people to install free green clean renewable solar panels and the like, are monies that the government gets from taxing profit making enterprises, at something like a corporate tax rate of 35%. So every dollar used to subsidize renewables so they are only much higher in cost than existing energy supplies; requires someone to make about three dollars in pretax profit. To do that they have to sell something like $50 worth of goods or services to come up with that $1 subsidy. And that $50 worth of goods or services has to be generated from existing energy sources, which are primarily fossil fuel based.
If I use one Joule of fossil energy to manufacture one Joule of free clean green renewable energy; that someone can use in their car; that is just at energy break even; then a total of two Joules of energy is used to do a task that could have been done with just one, by putting that fossil fuel in the car in the first place. Even if the energy gain is two for one; so I only use one Joule of Fossil fuel to get two Joules of say ethanol, or bio-diesel fuel, it still takes three Joules to do the real work that could have been done with just two.
If free green clean renewable energy was energy capital competitive with fossil fuels; it would already have replaced fossil fuels; because the real total cost of any eneterprise is the sum total of all the energies it takes to get there.
Renewable energy amounts to a Ponzi scheme; it relies on the ready availability of fossil fuels to operate the free green clean renewable energy plant.
Well you American Citizens are about to reap the whirlwind; with the fools you have voted into office. History will remember those who created this coming global disaster; and this one will make climate change irrelevent.
George

Basil
Editor
June 26, 2009 10:57 am

My representative (Snyder) voted with 217 to move it to the floor. I just got off the phone with his Washington office, letting the sweet young thing that answered the phone know how unhappy I was with that, and urging him to vote against final passage. I also sent an email.
My representative is pretty much a lost cause, I think, but at least I tried.

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