UPDATE: The SWPC press conference audio is now available, hear it here
Shortly after SWPC dropped on their website their still invisible “press conference” ( I have yet to get the link to audio, even though requested twice from Doug Biesecker) Leif Svalgaard remarked that the 10.7 cm radio flux graph produced by SWPC in that announcement on their web page was “just wrong”.
After spending months as a regular supporting commenter, Leif asked if he could write a guest post about it. After several microseconds of uncertainty, I said “yes”. So for the first time ever on WUWT, I present Dr. Leif Svalgaard as guest author, rather than commenter. – Anthony
The Solar Radio Microwave Flux
Guest Post by Leif Svalgaard, May 2009
(A PDF of this essay is available here)
Since 1947 we have routinely measured the flux of microwaves from the Sun at wavelengths between 3 and 30 cm [frequencies between 10 and 1 GHz]. This emission comes from high in the Chromosphere and low in the Corona and has two different sources [although there is debate about their relative importance]: thermal bremsstrahlung [due to electrons radiating when changing direction by being deflected by other charged particles] and ‘gyro’-radiation [due to electrons radiating when changing direction by gyrating around magnetic field lines]. These mechanisms give rise to enhanced radiation when the temperature, density, and magnetic field are enhanced, so the microwave radiation is a good ‘measure’ of ‘general’ solar activity. As strong magnetic fields are located in specific regions that can live for weeks and often reoccur at or near the same location for months [perhaps even years], there is a strong rotational signal in the emission superposed on a solar cycle variation of a ‘background’ activity level. At solar minimum, especially a ‘deep’ one as we now experiencing, the effect of active regions largely disappears and we observe a sort of solar ‘ground state’.
As the radio flux measurements [as opposed to the sunspot number] are unaffected by changes of [human] observers and their observing techniques and instrumental and atmospheric differences they may be a ‘truer’ and more objective measure of solar activity [to the extent that we can reduce this complex concept to a single number per day] and the many decades-long flux record could throw light on the important issue of the long-term variation of solar activity. The solar microwave flux is nominally an absolute flux, one solar flux unit defined as [the very small amount of] 10-22 Watt per square meter per Hertz. Making an absolute measurement is always difficult and considerable uncertainty and debate surrounded these measurements early on, before being settled by international cooperative work in the late 1960s [Tanaka et al., Solar Phys. 29 (1973) p. 243-262; http://www.leif.org/research/Tanaka-Calibration-F107.pdf]. By observing the radio flux from supernova remnants [Cassiopeia-A, Cygnus-A, and Virgo-A] one can verify the constancy of the calibration.
The longest running series of observations is that of the 10.7 cm [2800 MHz] flux [often simply referred to as ‘F10.7’] started by Covington in Ottawa, Canada in April 1947 and maintained to this day[and hopefully much longer] at Penticton site in British Columbia [http://www.hia-iha.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/drao/solar_e.html]. The data is available from several sources, e.g. from the NGDC at http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/FLUX/flux.html, more timely at ftp://ftp.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/data/solar_flux/daily_flux_values/current.txt. There are three measurements per day with small systematic [and poorly understood] differences. One can either average all three, or as in this work only use the noon value [for Penticton at 20:00 UT, since 1991].
As with all solar indices, there is the issue of the varying distance between the Earth and the Sun. For describing the effect on the Earth’s atmosphere and environment the proper values of the indices to use should, of course, be the ones observed at the Earth, but for studying the Sun, those values must be adjusted to the mean distance [at 1 astronomical unit]. This is not always appreciated and one sees endless discussions about F10.7 changes or flat-lining without the 7% change caused by the varying distance being taken into account. Needless to say, here we use the ‘adjusted flux’.
So, what does the record look like? Figure 1 shows the entire record up to date of writing [14 May, 2009], plotting the ~23,000 daily noon values [pink curve] and a running 27-day mean [black curve]:
The solar cycle variation is obvious, but so is another fact: [highlighted by the green box] that the flux at every minimum is very nearly the same. There has been no clear systematic variation or trend in the ‘ground state’. Figure 2 shows the 1954 minimum overlaid the current minimum, and is a rather dramatic demonstration of the constancy of the ground state (also shows nicely the 27-day recurrence tendency):
Other observatories have long and continuing series of measurements of the microwave flux. Of note is the long series from Japan (Toyokawa 1951 Nov – 1994 Apr; Nobeyama 1994 May – present) at several wavelengths around the 10.7 cm (e.g. 3.75 GHz = 8 cm; 2 GHz = 15 cm; and 1 GHz = 30 cm). The fluxes at these wavelengths are highly correlated with each other. Figure 3 shows the correlation of 3.75 GHz versus 2 GHz:
This means that we can use the regression equations to put all the measurements on the same scale, scaling [marked with an asterisk] them to 3.75 GHz (Figure 4):
This looks very much like Figure 1 [the coefficient of determination of the correlation with F10.7 is as high as R2 = 0.987, which is a welcome finding as one observatory series then supports the other, at least to the accuracy of the scatter plot]. Scaling the average of the Japanese [scaled] observations to F10.7 we obtain (Figure 5):
If you look very closely, you might see that the red curve (Japanese stations) lies a little bit below the green curve (Canadian stations) before 1991 and a little bit above the green curve thereafter. Here is a plot of the ratio of the flux values of the two series (Figure 6) with different colored symbol for the Ottawa and Penticton data:
. Figure 7, above. In any event, the change is but small.”]
Adding 3% to the Ottawa flux before 1991, rescaling the Japanese measurements to the thus corrected Canadian series, and computing the average flux from the two series gives us the composite series shown in Figure 8 below. All of these adjustments are very small, though, and do not substantially alter any conclusions drawn from the measurements. Although the microwave flux measurements are said to be absolute, a further correction [multiplication by the ‘URSI’-factor of 0.9] is required to get the ‘real flux’. We shall ignore that constant factor as only the relative variation is of interest here.
The red and green curves in the composite graph show the Canadian and [scaled] Japanese series going into the composite. On the whole, there is substantial agreement and the microwave flux seems well-determined.
One can now ask how this measure of solar activity compares to other measures, in particular the sunspot number [the Wolf Number]. Anticipating a finding described later, we correlate the sunspot number against the F10.7 flux (Figure 9) for the interval 1951-1988, and obtain a purely formal polynomial fit [as the relationship is not quite linear]:
The fit is good (R2 = 0.977) up until ~1989.0 after which time the observed sunspot number falls progressively below the fitted number (Figure 10):
To quantify the drift we divide the observed sunspot number by the fitted one. When the sunspot number is very low [near minimum, marked by m; worst case, zero] that quotient becomes very noisy or meaningless, so we plot only cases where the sunspot number was above 5 (Figure 11):
The progressive drift is much larger than the 3% correction and is therefore not due to the correction. It seems inescapable that the relation between the sunspot number and the microwave flux has changed significantly in recent years. Another way of showing this is Figure 12:
Ken Tapping has come to a similar conclusion (from the 2009 Space Weather Workshop: http://www.fin.ucar.edu/UCARVSP/spaceweather/abstract_view.php?recid=995):
“The Changing Relationship between Sunspot Number and F10.7”: Sunspot Number and the 10.7cm solar radio flux are the most widely-used indices of solar activity. Despite their differing nature and origins at different places in the Sun, these two indices are highly-correlated to the point where one can be used as a proxy for the other. However, during Solar Activity Cycle 23 we started to see a small but definite change in this relationship…”
So far we have been on the [relatively] firm ground of data analysis, but when it comes to an explanation of the changed relationship, we enter the realm of pure speculation [for now]. Three obvious hypotheses present themselves:
1) The sunspot counting procedure or observers have changed with resulting artificial changes of the sunspot number as they have in the past.
2) Changes in the Corona or Chromosphere accounting for additional F10.7 emission.
3) Livingston & Penn’s observations [http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/1538-4357/649/1/L45/20946.web.pdf?request-id=e22b7626-e93b-4ce3-b6f1-a999655b8888] that the sunspots are getting warmer during the last decade, leading to a decreased contrast with the surrounding photosphere and hence lessened visibility, possibly resulting in an undercount of sunspots.
There has been some criticism of SIDC and SWPC recently related to counting small pores, changing the count inexplicably, and various mistakes, but it seems to this writer that these problems would not be serious enough to account for the continuous and progressive drift shown in Figure 11. The near constancy of the flux at minima since 1954 argues against a change of the physical conditions at the source locations, leaving the exciting possibility that Livingston & Penn may be correct.












Has anyone contacted Livingston and Penn for an update? I realise that there have been precious few sunspots for new data points, but am very curious about whether the few that have occured have shown the same measurement trends observed previously.
David L. Hagen (06:53:14) : “Climate Change and Its causes: A Discussion about Some Key Issues” N. Scafetta. Invited author at the U. S. Environmental Protection Agency, DC USA, February 26, 2009. video Slides
That’s one fantastic paper Scafetta’s preparing, David, thanks a million. That man’s work shown here is genuine Nobel Prize standard IMO.
The weak polar fields told us that several years ago. The planets have nothing to do with that. The rest of your comment is ‘not even wrong’
?? I’m not sure who posted this, but….
You know the planets have no effect on the solar cycle because of why ? And I’ll put my space weather forecasting history up against anyones around the space weather community for the past 15 years. Now theories are nice but results are what matters.
So don’t go judging me or making sarcastic comments when you have no clue about what I have or have not forecasted. Or who has received these forecasts within the space weather community or even outside of it.
And I was well aware of where the polar fields were headed and this was why I forecasted a peak of 115 for Cycle 23 and why I had said we were headed toward another quiet period. And can you tell me what person within the solar community had a more accurate Cycle 23 forecast ?
And the likes of Dr Jo Ann Joselyn, who worked at The Space Environment Center, received this forecast. And everyone within the field knows who she is. But did she agree with my forecast, or my theories?
No of course not because she obviously would not have put out such a higher Cycle 23 forecast if she did. Or I should say the panel that she headed, a worldwide handpicked group of solar experts.
epurr si muoveva?
Leif, thanks for all of your contribution. It is obviously more than writing the article, but also taking the time to answer questions. Really appreciate it.
anna v (12:51:05) My thoughts too. We’ve depended on old Sol for so long, it must be like a cellular memory if there is such a thing. I was impressed by your reference recently in another comment section regarding the placebo effect, something western medicine likes to ignore rather than take advantage of. Another ancient, albeit, pragmatic effect of our conciousness.
Adolfo Giurfa (14:54:14) :
epurr si muoveva?
Adolfo Giurfa,
No. Just an honest individual who forecasts many different things besides Space weather, like the ENSO , Major Stratospheric Warmings, and many other things.
Would you like some links to places where I have forecasted these things in discussions well in advance, where professionals within the science community have interacted with me in these discussions, and I have earned their respect ?
And is this a science forum where certain people can speak about things, or even forecast things well in advance. Or is this a place where certain individuals are held at a higher level because of the status quo?
dgallagher (13:51:31) :
It is unfortunate that L&P don’t have any baseline data that precedes the SSN/F10.7 correlation drift.
Yes, but such is science often.
Perhaps cycle 24 has really already started, we just can’t tell that because we are seeing fewer sunspots, but shouldn’t F10.7 be rising regardless?
SC24 has indeed started about a year ago, and we have seen the magnetic regions and F10.7 increase from that. The sunspot number has been miserable, possibly due to the L&P effect, so I don’t think you were missing anything.
dgallagher (14:00:32) :
Has anyone contacted Livingston and Penn for an update?
Yes, I’m in contact with Bill every time he has a measurement and they have persisted their downward trend [for the field] and their upward trend for contrast and temperature.
Lucy Skywalker (14:06:27) :
That’s one fantastic paper Scafetta’s preparing, David, thanks a million. That man’s work shown here is genuine Nobel Prize standard IMO.
Before we give him a prize worthy of an Al Gore, he needs to stop using the Hoyt & Schatten TSI reconstruction, and the Solanki model [based on Lockwood’s non-happened ‘doubling of the Sun’s magnetic field], and the PMOD data [Froehlich has admitted to a drift in the data]. Scafetta cherry picks obsolete papers and data that happen to fit his ideas. This is not good science.
Jim Hughes (14:33:20) :
And I was well aware of where the polar fields were headed and this was why I forecasted a peak of 115 for Cycle 23 and why I had said we were headed toward another quiet period. And can you tell me what person within the solar community had a more accurate Cycle 23 forecast ?
Yes, Ken Schatten who was on the SC23 panel. His forecast was voted down by the rest of the panel, because the polar fields from Wilcox and Kitt Peak observatories disagreed. We now know [and Ken should have known then] that the noise level of the Kitt Peak data was too high for measuring the weak polar fields [so their result was basically garbage].
Using the polar fields to predict solar activity is correct. This has still nothing to do with the planets. And the rest of the detailed mechanisms of your comment was simply not coherent. What can I say? As a practicing solar physicist with some 40+ years in this field what you held forth with didn’t make any sense to me. Perhaps I’m wrong about this assessment, but as EVERYTHING I comment on, that is just my opinion and you can take it or prefer to leave it [as others sometimes do].
Many people are making a good living selling forecasts based on all kind of things and there will always be a market for ‘alternative’ solutions, simply because there are always people that distrust the ‘official’ ones on principle. We had a discussion about Piers Corbyn recently in another thread, and The Farmer’s Almanac, even my local newspaper has a column that tells me [I’m a Taurus] what’s in for me next week.
Jim Hughes (15:56:13) :
And is this a science forum where certain people can speak about things, or even forecast things well in advance. Or is this a place where certain individuals are held at a higher level because of the status quo?
I don’t think so. You will even find guest postings from such People as David Archibald. This certainly shows that this blog is open to alternative views.
The statements that made no sense to me were these:
Now we know that when the polar strength becomes equal we increase the chances of solar eruptions, coronal holes. So coronal holes are part of the solar cycle development process. And this is why Jack Eddy found out that there was an absence of the northern lights during the Maunder Minimum. [they were not absent].
And the latter [MM} was most likely preceded by a time when the polar field strength was stuck in a much higher continual state, not a much lower state. Even if the current exact opposite state is having a diminishing effect upon the upcoming cycle itself.
Try hard as I may, they still don’t make sense [or if I take them literally, they are wrong]. Perhaps you would like to elaborate?
>>You need an image processing program.
>>And even at that, 1.029 to 1 is a poor contrast even when stretched.
But the point is that these micro-spots would not have registered even 50 years ago – so as far as comparisons with the historical record goes, the Sun is still spotless.
Leif ,
My polar field comments, as well as what led up to this curent solar state, or what will transpire due to the current state of certain variables, was a generalization of how things indirectly either point toward things, or how they possibly enhance or demise things. Nothing more.
As far as everything else. I will leave it alone for now. But I’ll be sure to drop back by with some long range forecasts for you. And they will be somewhat based upon the planetary relationships, just like all of my previous calls.
( Like the couple that I have mentioned to you around here. )
And please contact Jo Ann if you know her because I do not appreciate being called a fraud by the likes of Adolfo Giurfa. Have a good weekend.
Jim Hughes (15:56:13) Please don´t take it that way, what i asked, changing a little Galileo Galilei famous phrase, in front of the inquisition, and putting into past tense “Did it move any way?”, to what you said NO. It´s OK. We do not know, yet, if it is ok or not those theories as the one presented by N. Scafetta, among others, but by presenting alternatives, no matter how naive at a precise moment, be it in a conversation or in a blog like this, and even not being so wise and informed as surely you are, can work as an unexpected catalyzer for someone.
If everything would be like just “roses, roses” we would, for sure, end in a bee hive or in an anthill, doing the same thing all the time.
Excellent article Leif, very educational. I now understand solar F10.7 flux better than I did. I am looking forward to your next guest post (and hoping it concerns UV flux).
Leif Svalgaard (11:46:20) :
But why is everybody so snookered by the idea that these solar effects MUST be important, SOMEHOW?
Leif… I think that we are not trapped by any unscientific idea. Life on Earth depends absolutely from the energy incoming from the Sun. There is no other source of energy for photoautotrophic and chemoautotrophic organisms. We depend, at the same time, from photoautotrophic and chemoautotrophic organisms. That’s why.
Wow! That is one responsive author.
Thank you for Dr. Svalgaard your article and thanks also for the incredible amount of time you have given in your responses – even the dumb ones like mine (I realized the obvious shortly after clicking the submit button).
Leif,
A very informative presentation!
As a new person in this area of science I have been looking at many ways to gauge the solar output changes. With the current reduction of TSI by 10-4w/m(2) there are many hypothesis for why this occurs. Cloud cover, aerosols, etc… one that we have been looking at is this.
In a fission reaction there is always spent fuel (clumped matter). Similarly in a fusion reaction bonds become greater and over time these “clumps” grow in the solar flows and slows the reaction (minutely) much like a control rod in a nuclear reactor absorbing the protons which keep the reaction going. The sun cools slightly and the magnetic tunnels which show sunspot activity fail to surface or are invisible due to cooling. This clumped matter is eventually pulled back into the core. The magnetic signature of activity is there, however the increased UV and Infrared are not, resulting in the decreased TSI of about -1.1%. The decrease in surface disruption slows CME’s and solar wind generation. Polar magnetism is also affected and weakened.
Granted .1% is minuscule and hard to track, but would this internal change disrupt the reaction enough to create a prolonged solar minima?
Can this minute change in the solar reaction recovery be slowed (lengthened) by simple gravitational pulls (galactic position)?
This is only one piece of the complex pie as many others have greater influence but could this be a driving force that triggers others?
Bill
Leif. Bravo! Very well done, and in a humble manner that is very appealing. That gives it great credibility, IMHO. fm
Leif,
Thanks again for intriguing article, and for the followup responses. One great thing about the internet is that it allows you to seek out and find information that interests you in ways that weren’t possible before. When the author replies back to questions or thoughts invoked by the article, well, that’s just powerful media, that all.
I have two other thoughts based on the article, first, assuming for the sake of argument that L&P are correct about the visiblity of sunspots, will F10.7 completely lose correlation with SSN and go through a somewhat normal cycle, even if no sunspots are visible? Secondly, L&Ps data showed quite a range for the phenomena they observed, the ~2015 date was for a linear average trend, and doesn’t actually indicate that there will be no spots after 2015 (at that point 50% wouldn’t be detected) Is it possible to determine, based on the statistical spread of their data, at what point we would be losing visibility on the “outlieing” data points? In other words, we won’t just suddenly not have sunspots, we would expect to lose first 5%, then 10% etc., the outliers that don’t show up must be equal to the drift in the SSN/F10.7 correlation. Probably not enough data to try to tie the two together though.
Anthony,
Based on Dr. Svalgaard’s “first effort”, I assume that your “microseconds of uncertainty” will be in the subnanosecond range going forward?
Steve Keohane (15:38:36) :
Steve Keohane (15:38:36) :
anna v (12:51:05) My thoughts too. We’ve depended on old Sol for so long, it must be like a cellular memory if there is such a thing.
I am sure that at some future date such cellular memories will be identified by genes. 🙂 Biology, like climate, is a complex and chaotic field .
OT, but you might appreciate it. I have come to the conclusion that there must exist a “pyro” gene, i.e. a gene that likes watching and creating flames, which in its extreme is expressed in pyromaniacs . After I stopped smoking 35 years ago, I found that by lighting a match and watching the flame burn out, part of my desire for a smoke went up :). I kept a matchbox on my desk for a year for that purpose. I now come to think that the persistence of smoking in our culture where, in the EU, they are talking of forbidding it even outdoors! , and despite all the medical evidence against smoking, is due to this atavism. We are the end result of mammals who could light fires. Whoever could not, disappeared. That is the second god after the sun, Prometheus, who stole the fire from the sun.
Thank you Dr. Svalgaard.
Very interesting; as for much of it though, my understanding is well illustrated by your Leif missing link
Anna v, “…unconsciously need it to be central in any discussion of weather and climate.”
Not that seasons may have anything to do with it -“it” being distance, inclination of planet Earth in relation to the sun not solar activity-… yes those little changes that produce quite big effects on our little rock…
Bill Howsden (20:03:10) :
The interbal furnace is very stable sumply because it is so big and because it takes 170,000 years for the energy to leak out, so everything is smoothed with a 170,000 year long filter, so it is hard to get any variations. Helioseismolgy has only very recently begun investigation of the the core and our knwledge is still sketchy. With thr lanuch of SDO this fall we should soon be getting much better data.
anna v (21:34:44) :
Steve Keohane (15:38:36) :
My thoughts too. We’ve depended on old Sol for so long, it must be like a cellular memory if there is such a thing.
Sol Omnia temperat
dgallagher (21:04:07) :
Probably not enough data to try to tie the two together though.
You said it for me.
Dear Ann and Steve Keohane… I have to express my disagreement on your opinion:
Although we humans have a set of genes which induces us to think about something supernatural governing our lives, no one of those genes specifies the objects of worshiping. There is no recognizable gene which impels a person to worship a stone rather than a tree, the rain or the Sun. The latter is absolutely cultural heritage and it doesn’t obey to any genetic set or cell memory. Genetics is not a Lamarckian thing.
On the other hand, some microstates of bioprocesses are stochastic, but macroscopically they are not chaotic. Many processes in biosystems have been explained through physicochemical principles.
The theory of reversibility-irreversibility in climatology is different to the biological description. Climate processes are spontaneous, while life processes are no-spontaneous.
All the energy which sustains life on Earth comes from the Sun, and it is the Sun which provides the energy which impedes the ecosystems collapse. Although the Sun is not the only factor which determines the distribution of biomes on the Earth, it is the main one. The distribution of biomes on the Earth depends mainly on the regional insolation, even at twilight zones.
Climate of biomes are modified by regional fauna and flora; however, the main climatic conditions of a biome is determined by the Sun, and fluctuations in solar irradiance affect the climate of biomes.
Very interesting. Perhaps we’ve had the minimum after all at the end of last year. And today even a small cycle 24 spot.
However, there’s another region of some activity coming into view and from its lattitude its a cycle 23 remnant. Actually it has been visible for over a week now by Stereo at at least a similar level of (non?) activity as the current small plague/spot regions. It would be interesting to see if it too has developed a small spot.
Nasif Nahle (23:47:32) :
I was expecting a comment from you 🙂
Though my proposal is very much speculative and tongue in cheek, it is less than the famous gene propagation that was in a decade or two ago. Also I hope that your interest in climate has taught you to never say “never” :).
I have been following on and off some lectures on chaos and complexity in disciplines from physics to biology, they are organized by a biologist in the institute and are supposed to be frontier research. Of course chaos in the mathematical sense, not the colloquial.
A yahoo search turns up this first for “chaos” “biology”, http://www.govhs.org/vhsweb/Gallery.nsf/Files/Fractals+&+Chaos+In+Biology+/$file/fractals_and_chaos_in_biology.ppt