NSIDC's Dr. Walt Meier on Catlin and Ice Survey Techniques

Walt sent me this essay unsolicited, and I think it is very useful for establishing some baseline techniques. There’s more useful information on techniques here than in the entire Catlin Arctic Survey website. UPDATE, a response has been posted at the end of the article. – Anthony

Dr. Walt Meier

Dr. Walt Meier

There have been several recent posts on sea ice thickness, particularly in regards to the Catlin expedition. I don’t have any direct connection to Catlin and in my research focus, I don’t anticipate using the Catlin data. I’m not responding to defend them or their methods. Thus, I can’t address details of their operation. However, from reading the posts and comments it seems like some basics on how sea ice thickness is estimated might be of interest.

Sea ice floats in the ocean. Because sea ice is a lower density than unfrozen water, it floats and a portion (~10-15% depending on density) rises above the water line, while most of the ice (~85-90%) is below the surface. The part of the ice cover above the water line is called the “freeboard”; the portion below is called the “draft”. The sum of the freeboard and the draft is the total ice thickness. There may or may not be snow on top of the ice which can add to the “snow+ice freeboard” and the “snow+ice thickness”.

A variety of techniques have been developed to obtain information about sea ice thickness. Most of these methods don’t actually directly measure thickness but estimate thickness from a related measurement. Here are some examples:

Upward Looking Sonar: Mounted on a submarine or on the ocean floor, these instruments measure the return of sound waves bouncing off the bottom of the sea ice. They measure the sea ice draft from underneath the ice. From this draft measurement, the thickness can be derived with knowledge of the ice and water density and the snow cover.

Altimeter: Compared to sonar, altimeter measure the opposite side of the ice. They measure the freeboard from above the ice, from which the total thickness is derived. The NASA ICESat is a laser altimeter, which actually measures the snow+ice freeboard, so knowing something about the snow cover is particularly important (http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/324868main_kwokfig2_full.jpg). Radar altimeters are also often used (including the European Cryosat-2 scheduled to be launched later this year); these penetrate through the snow and thus measure the ice freeboard. ICESat can take a lot of measurements over a large region of the Arctic, but there are limitations, which are discussed below. Altimeters can also be flown on airborne platforms.

Ground radar: This carried on or near the surface and sends out a radar pulse that echoes off the ice-water boundary. Thus it is an estimate of the total ice+snow thickness.

Drill holes: This is the simplest way to obtain ice thickness and it is the only direct measurement of ice thickness – drill a hole and stick measuring tape through it and you have the thickness (whether it is in units of meters, feet, or smoots [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot]). A variant of drill holes are the ice mass balance buoys that Steven Goddard wrote about – drill a hole and put in instrumentation to estimate thickness automatically over time.

There are errors associated with any estimate, but the errors tend to be higher the farther one is away from a direct measurement. For example, for ICESat, you need to know very precisely: (1) the altitude of the satellite above the surface, (2) the ocean surface topography [sea level isn’t constant], (3) the density of the ice and water, and (4) the density and height of the snow cover. All four of these are challenges, though by far the biggest one is #4. There just isn’t a lot of information about snow. ICESat has already provided valuable information about sea ice thickness over large regions of the Arctic and more results will be forthcoming. However, the goal is to continue to improve these estimates to make them even more useful.

This is where surface measurements, radar and drill holes are particularly valuable because they provide “ground truth” – of both ice and snow thickness. The problem with these ground measurements is that it is difficult to obtain a large number of them over a broad area. And this is particularly important for sea ice thickness, which can vary considerably over short distances. This is a limitation of the ice mass balance buoys. There are only a few within the entire Arctic and they measure thickness on a single floe. Even in the immediate vicinity, ice thickness could be quite different than that being measured by the buoy. Thus, while the buoys provide an excellent measurement of thickness at a point through the seasons, they do not provide good information on the large-scale spatial distribution of ice thickness.

Ideally, we’d send a few thousand people out to the Arctic and drill thousands of holes and get good sampling of thickness, but this is just not possible. Even putting out more than a few autonomous buoys are impractical because of the cost of the buoys and the fact that they only last a few years (the ice melts and the buoys are lost, though people are looking about buoys that can float and could potentially be recovered and recycled).

This is where the Catlin expedition can be particularly valuable. To have a group out on the ice taking direct measurements of thickness across a relatively large region (compared to most field expeditions) of the Arctic is something that has only rarely, if ever, been done before. It is unfortunate that the radar may not have worked as well as hoped, but that is the nature of field work, especially in harsh polar environments – things almost never go according to plan. The radar would essentially provide a continuous transect of thickness estimates over several hundred kilometers. However, the drill hole measurements taken regularly over the route will still likely be valuable.

It is also unfortunate that they are not likely to get as much data from multiyear ice as hoped because that is of greater scientific interest, but any ground truth estimates can help improve data from satellites like ICESat is useful. Their planned route looked like it would’ve taken them over ice of varied ages, but the older ice moved out of the area over the winter and, as Steven Goddard showed comparing their position with the ice age data on NSIDC’s web page, they started squarely in first-year ice. Generally, logistics for an expedition need to be planned several months in advance, long before anyone can know how and where precisely the ice will move. Like many scientific expeditions, it seems like they won’t get as much data as hoped, but ground data from the ice is so rare that every little bit helps.

As a final note, since it seems the measuring tape used by Catlin is of great interest, I’ll end with a bit of information on that. Basically, it is simply a measuring tape, but with a collapsible metal flange at the end of the tape. The weight pulls the tape down through the hole to the bottom of the ice. Then you pull the tape taught and the flange opens and catches on the bottom of the ice. You make your measurement, then pull hard on the tape and the flange collapses and you can pull it up through the drill hole. Since such tapes with flanges are relatively specialized, there aren’t many places to get one. One place is Kovacs Ice Drilling Equipment

kovacs_gauge

http://www.kovacsicedrillingequipment.com/ice_thickness_gauge.html

NSIDC has a gauge from Kovacs and it has units of meters and feet, on opposite sides of the tape. I would guess that the Catlin tape is similar, but I don’t want to jump to conclusions.


Response to Dr. Meier by Steven Goddard.

First, I want to thank Dr. Meier for his candid explanation of how Catlin landed on first year ice, and how ice is measured. As always, he has treated our concerns seriously and that is very much appreciated.

Dr. Meier said that the ice “can vary considerably over short distances” and the Catlin web site has said “the team systematically seeks out flatter ice.” That implies to me that there is a geographical bias to the data which makes the entire data set suspect. (That might be analogous to having a temperature set where a disproportionate percentage of the thermometers were located in Urban Heat Islands.) If I were traveling across the Arctic pulling a 100Kg sledge in -40 degree weather, I would certainly seek out the flattest ice, as they have done.

The Catlin team has reported “Snow thickness, measured by the team during the first 2 weeks of March, shows an average snow depth of around 11 centimeters. Since then the average has risen to around 16cm.” Four to six inches of snow hardly sounds like a serious problem in estimating ice thickness in metres. They also said “March snow depths in this area should be 32‐34 cm on multi‐year ice.” If snow thickness is less than expected, does that imply that the satellites may be slightly underestimating the thickness of the ice?

If the multi-year ice shifted over a period of several months ahead of the expedition launch, why was the Catlin team seemingly surprised upon their arrival to find first-year ice? NSIDC knew it was first year ice in February. This reminds me of Lewis Pugh’s attempt to kayak to the North Pole, at a time when NSIDC maps showed the route blocked by 600 miles of ice.

It sounds like the new European satellite Cryostat-2 will provide the desired ice thickness data, without any geographical bias or concern about snow thickness. Speaking as a former amateur explorer, I certainly appreciate and admire the adventurous nature and grit of the Catlin team. However, I don’t see that there is a lot of scientific value to their ice measurement efforts – particularly given their stated disposition towards arriving at a seemingly pre-determined result.

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bill
April 20, 2009 7:55 pm

Pamela Gray (17:10:06) :
Try this on for size: Question everything, even your own beliefs. Youth used to be really good at this. Not so much anymore

I am sceptical of all sides – the anti AGW and the AGW . I have weighed up all the information. I have looked at the consequences of doing nothing and the consequeces of “going green”.
I am not convinced the AGW is valid. BUT I know I would not be able to say to my children “I did nothing to stop GW” if AGW is true
I am convinced, absolutely, that oil and gas will be in short supply in a couple of decades. I am convinced that nuclear is not the way – dangerous, and if the world goes nuclear then supply will run short in a couple, or so, of decades, (please do not mention sea water as extracting and processing uranium from it will take most of the energy it will provide) AND I do not want to pass the need to attend a festering heap of higly radioactive waste onto the next 5 generations of my family.
I therefore KNOW that renewables are the only option for any future for my children. So consequently following the path of preventing AGW will be hard but at least I will feel at ease with the future I pass on.
AND if the AGW is not happening then at least the world will have a future.
Going the other way my children become fuel impoverished anyway and the world could overheat.
Which way is the right choice?

bill
April 20, 2009 8:03 pm

By the way
Pieter F (11:14:32) :
Yes, Billy, I am beinfg [sic] serious. Think about it: their stated goal is to measure ice THICKNESS, not the amount of ice “from the water top.” 85% of the ice volume is BELOW the water’s surface. They need a Kovacs-style ice thickness gauge with the flange device on the bottom

from Dr. Meier:
Altimeter: … They measure the freeboard from above the ice, from which the total thickness is derived. The NASA ICESat is a laser altimeter, which actually measures the snow+ice freeboard, so knowing something about the snow cover is particularly important …. Radar altimeters are also often used (including the European Cryosat-2 scheduled to be launched later this year); these penetrate through the snow and thus measure the ice freeboard. ICESat can take a lot of measurements over a large region of the Arctic, …
so physically measuring the top of water to top of ice is probably as accurate as satellite data!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

April 20, 2009 8:43 pm

bill (19:55:04) : So what will you tell your children when the economy of the world has been wrecked because the politicians bought into the AGW belief because they were insufficiently skeptical and your childrens’ lives are shorter and much more impoverished as a result? I’m not aware of any looming disasters from the pathetically small amounts of “climate change” that we’ve seen(if indeed we have seen anything significant at all in the last 50 years or so that hasn’t been happening since the last ice age ended) except that the political imperative to “do something” may result in the wrong things being done.
You seem to be convinced of and KNOW a lot of things that many here with science and engineering backgrounds and decades of real world experience would dispute. Can I suggest you read a little more than Greenpeace propaganda re nuclear energy and do some real engineering about the possibilities for renewables. Start with Gen 4 reactors, thorium and figure out if renewables can ever be a solution without lots of pixie dust , Good Intentions and Pious Hopes.

April 20, 2009 8:53 pm

Mike Borgelt (20:43:19) :
bill (19:55:04) : So what will you tell your children when the economy of the world has been wrecked because the politicians bought into the AGW belief because they were insufficiently skeptical and your childrens’ lives are shorter and much more impoverished as a result?
—————————-
You know Mike, someone ought to make a movie about that. They could call it “The Age of Stupid” …

April 20, 2009 9:07 pm

bill (19:55:04) :
Pamela Gray (17:10:06) :
Try this on for size: Question everything, even your own beliefs. Youth used to be really good at this. Not so much anymore
I am sceptical of all sides – the anti AGW and the AGW . I have weighed up all the information. I have looked at the consequences of doing nothing and the consequeces of “going green”.
I am not convinced the AGW is valid. BUT I know I would not be able to say to my children “I did nothing to stop GW” if AGW is true
————————–
Bill, I think some of the responses to your earlier posts related to your belief in the “science” of the Catlin group. Indeed, I thank you for not biting, and telling me that they were “taking advice from their solicitors”, thereby making me spray copious amounts of Pinot noir across my keyboard.
Your views on renewable energy are, however, in my opinion quite valid.
You should stay on this site and I think you will learn something about the real world.

April 20, 2009 10:13 pm

hereticfringe (08:26:38) :
Dr. Meier,
You stated on your website on April 6th that because most of the Artic ice is “thin” first year ice, that it would melt rapidly. The data so far shows that the melt rate is slower than past years, and the ice extent is converging on the 1978-2000 average.

I don’t know where you get this from, it isn’t true. Nothing of significance wrt the ultimate demise of the ice will show up much before July.

April E. Coggins
April 20, 2009 10:30 pm

Any day now, some disinterested wind/mapping/ directional scientist will feel compeled to explain the use of lacy black panties for a wind sock.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/5061498/Lacy-underwear-secret-tool-of-polar-expedition.html
I’m sure it’s all logical.

P Folkens
April 20, 2009 10:49 pm

Bill: at (05:06:55) you wrote “I think I read somewhere that they measure the distance between ice top and water top (in the hole) having left it a few moments for the water to settle.”
Where did you read that? I’ve looked all over the Catlin site, including their 14-4-09 Ice Report and there is no indication of any interest in the freeboard of the ice floes. They want the thickness. The freeboard measurement is used by NASA’s ICESat unit because that is all it can measure: altitude with no way on measuring below the water’s surface. Ice thickness is then extrapolated from that data. The Catlin gang doesn’t need to extrapolate as they can just measure the thickness.
I think you are making that up, but I will reserve judgment on the subject by a day or two to give you a chance to demonstrate Catlin’s interest in the freeboard.

Jim G
April 20, 2009 11:05 pm

I read this today on the Catlin blog under the “Polar Woodpecker” (Thursday 16 April):
“Sea level is not underneath the ice, so when the hole is drilled, icy water surges upwards, sometimes spilling over the top of the hole, before settling. Hadow waits 30 seconds for the water to level and then uses a tape measure to record the distance from the top of the water, which is usually 5 – 20cms from the surface – to the top of the ice.”

pkatt
April 21, 2009 12:21 am

P Folkens (07:25:23) :
bill (05:06:55) : “I think I read somewhere that they measure the distance between ice top and water top (in the hole) having left it a few moments for the water to settle.”
Dude! As Dr. Meier points out “. . . most of the ice (~85-90%) is below the surface [of the water] . . .” If, as you think you read somewhere, their measurement if from the ice top to the water in the hole, they will be missing 85% of the ice because “water seeks its own level.”
You didn’t do well in high school science, did you.

Rude and wrong!! Bill was not wrong in thinking he read this somewhere. From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7897392.stm
and I quote directly Ice surprises
As I drill though the ice, I get what looks like an ice cornflake mound on the surface, and usually I get to about 10cm-down before going through to water.
When I’m through, I push the drill further down to remove any ice crystals, and then as it’s pulled out through the hole, the sea water tends to shoot up.
I need to wait a bit for the water to settle before I can then get down to the measuring process.
The first measurement is easily done with tape measure – the water that comes up the hole naturally settles at sea level (sea level is not below the ice), so I measure the distance between the surface of the ice and the top of the water.

Took one google search to find this. Perhaps you should read before you shoot the messenger:P

pkatt
April 21, 2009 12:29 am

Ohhh I wish I’d read this a couple of Catlin articles ago, but I honestly try my best not to go to BBC website for anything:)
He describes the measurement tool as well:
Essentially, I drop a metal bar vertically down the hole – when it gets to the bottom it naturally swings horizontal, at which point, I can take the measurement.
How to get it back up? Simple – there’s a second piece of string attached to the end of the bar, so I have to lower it, then let the first piece of string go. Then I pull on second string and, hey presto, it’s vertical and can be brought back up the hole.

bill
April 21, 2009 1:31 am

Thanks pkatt.
From the same reference:
I do the drilling in the evenings before dinner and from now on I’ll be doing two kinds.
The first type is on a fairly flat ice floe, from one side to the other, and the second type is an “all terrain” drilling – basically starting at the tent and heading due north, no matter what the terrain, be it thin ice, pressure ridges or rubble fields.

So he does actually measure at a pressure ridge if it is present.
Mike Borgelt (20:43:19) :
bill (19:55:04) : So what will you tell your children when the economy of the world has been wrecked because the politicians bought into the AGW belief

Someone has to design turbines for example. Other have to construct the design, and still more have to erect them. The grid will need upgrading = more jobs.
Renewables will not replace all conventional power stations . But ever kW generated by wind equates to a bit under kW of fossil fuel equivalent that can be passed onto future generations.
At least going this route will give benefit to the futere. Handing out £1000,000,000,000s to bankers will have less lasting effect.

Jack Hughes
April 21, 2009 4:19 am

“I do the drilling in the evenings before dinner and from now on I’ll be doing two kinds.
The first type is on a fairly flat ice floe, from one side to the other, and the second type is an “all terrain” drilling – basically starting at the tent and heading due north, no matter what the terrain, be it thin ice, pressure ridges or rubble fields.
I measure 40m between each drilling, and I will be doing about 10 holes every evening, which takes roughly four hours (although I’ll probably take a tea break after a couple of hours!). “

This is the best description I’ve found of their sampling regime.
It’s not very clear what he is doing.
Maybe he does 5 “flat” and 5 “random” holes in each session. Is the location of the tent random ? Probably not. The 5 “random” holes will presumably be one at the tent and then 4 more at gaps of 40m which will take him 160m from the tent.
This still doesn’t seem very good to me. It cannot possibly show any year-on-year trend. How could it ? They are going to “discover” that April is warmer than February – are they really going to extrapolate from that into the future ?
It’s like wandering round your lawn in the dark measuring the length of blades of grass. It doesn’t tell you anything about year-on-year trends or even very much about anything at all. Using a micrometer will not turn the process into science.
No it’s just a stunt.

Jack Hughes
April 21, 2009 4:23 am

– do you mean kW (kilowatts) or kWh (kilowatt-hours). Big difference.
A scientist or engineer would know the difference.

hunter
April 21, 2009 5:28 am

Once again the AGW fear machine managed to shift the topic of discussion away from yet another of their failed predictions.
Just like with their failed predictions on hurricanes, droughts and temperatures, the AGW community will now focus on ice thickness when they were, less than a year ago, talking about the absence of ice.
Next year, when the ice is increased again, they will find something else to dissemble over.

jack mosevich
April 21, 2009 6:33 am

Posted today from the Catliners about measuring ice thickness etc. etc.
http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/opsroom

April 21, 2009 7:36 am

Jack Hughes (04:19:50) :
This still doesn’t seem very good to me. It cannot possibly show any year-on-year trend. How could it ? They are going to “discover” that April is warmer than February – are they really going to extrapolate from that into the future ?
It’s like wandering round your lawn in the dark measuring the length of blades of grass. It doesn’t tell you anything about year-on-year trends or even very much about anything at all. Using a micrometer will not turn the process into science.

And yet the US Army set their buoys out on the water to wander where they may and take measurements, the Russians do likewise and also set up a manned station each year to drift across the Arctic ocean. Thus expending millions of dollars to acquire data which according to you “doesn’t tell you anything about year-on-year trends or even very much about anything at all”. Don’t you think that perhaps you’re missing something?

Mike Bryant
April 21, 2009 7:44 am

Phil.
I think the Army and the Russians want buoys there so they can know where to surface quickly and let the nukes fly… it ain’t research… of course, I could be wrong.

bill
April 21, 2009 8:14 am

Jack Hughes (04:23:47) :
– do you mean kW (kilowatts) or kWh (kilowatt-hours). Big difference.i>
It’s off topic but ~snip~

April 21, 2009 8:42 am

Mike Bryant (07:44:14) :
Phil.
I think the Army and the Russians want buoys there so they can know where to surface quickly and let the nukes fly… it ain’t research… of course, I could be wrong.

In which case the current deployment is hopelessly inadequate for the task.
Of course they say that what they’re doing is research with different goals than you suggest, but they would wouldn’t they.
http://imb.crrel.usace.army.mil/ourplan.htm

MartinGAtkins
April 21, 2009 9:08 am

April E. Coggins (22:30:28) :

Any day now, some disinterested wind/mapping/ directional scientist will feel compeled to explain the use of lacy black panties for a wind sock.

Perhaps the environmental reporter posted early. April the first was probably the intended date. What do you expect from the useless twerps that call themselves environmental journalists these days?

George E. Smith
April 21, 2009 9:46 am

“”” bill (19:55:04) :
Pamela Gray (17:10:06) :
Try this on for size: Question everything, even your own beliefs. Youth used to be really good at this. Not so much anymore
I am sceptical of all sides – the anti AGW and the AGW . I have weighed up all the information. I have looked at the consequences of doing nothing and the consequeces of “going green”.
I am not convinced the AGW is valid. BUT I know I would not be able to say to my children “I did nothing to stop GW” if AGW is true
I am convinced, absolutely, that oil and gas will be in short supply in a couple of decades. I am convinced that nuclear is not the way – dangerous, and if the world goes nuclear then supply will run short in a couple, or so, of decades, (please do not mention sea water as extracting and processing uranium from it will take most of the energy it will provide) AND I do not want to pass the need to attend a festering heap of higly radioactive waste onto the next 5 generations of my family.
I therefore KNOW that renewables are the only option for any future for my children. So consequently following the path of preventing AGW will be hard but at least I will feel at ease with the future I pass on.
AND if the AGW is not happening then at least the world will have a future.
Going the other way my children become fuel impoverished anyway and the world could overheat.
Which way is the right choice? “””
So Bill; given what you believe; or is it don’t believe, what is your excuse for having children; given that all the ones we have now are helping use up the limited resources left on this planet.
About 100 years ago, the head of the US patent office declared that everything that could be invented, had already been invented. Obviously he thought the future would be pretty grim too.
But I can’t fathom people who see everything wrong with what has been accomplished by those who came before them; not having the self control to stop having children.
There’s 14,000 children available for adoption in just the city of Oakland California. Why would environmentally concerned people want to make more.
George

P Folkens
April 21, 2009 10:56 am

pkatt and Jim G.: thank you both for providing the missing information in good detail; and I apologize to bill for doubting him as to that point.

bill
April 21, 2009 2:38 pm

P Folkens (10:56:23) : you’re a gent! (or gentess!)
George E. Smith (09:46:07) : no point me answering as it will be snipped
Jack Hughes (04:23:47) : I did answer but it was snipped!

Mike Bryant
April 21, 2009 2:58 pm

Phil.
“In which case the current deployment is hopelessly inadequate for the task.
Of course they say that what they’re doing is research with different goals than you suggest, but they would wouldn’t they.”
From the wesite you identified:
“We recognize the importance of international collaborations in building a Sustainable Arctic Observing Network. Towards this end, we will also continue our established collaboration with the European Union scientists involved with Developing Arctic Modelling and Observing Capabilities for Long-term Environmental Studies (DAMOCLES) project.”
Doesn’t “DAMOCLES” pretty much say all that needs to be said?
Thanks,
Mike