Lindzen on negative climate feedback

NEW 4/10/09: There is an update to this post, see below the “read the rest of this entry” – Anthony

Guest Post by Richard Lindzen, PhD.

Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Science, MIT

This essay is from an email list that I subscribe to. Dr. Lindzen has sent this along as an addendum to his address made at ICCC 2009 in New York City. I present it here for consideration. – Anthony

lindzen1Simplified Greenhouse Theory

The wavelength of visible light corresponds to the temperature of the sun’s surface (ca 6000oK). The wavelength of the heat radiation corresponds to the temperature of the earth’s atmosphere at the level from which the radiation is emitted (ca 255oK). When the earth is in equilibrium with the sun, the absorbed visible light is balanced by the emitted heat radiation.

The basic idea is that the atmosphere is roughly transparent to visible light, but, due to the presence of greenhouse substances like water vapor, clouds, and (to a much lesser extent) CO2 (which all absorb heat radiation, and hence inhibit the cooling emission), the earth is warmer than it would be in the absence of such gases.

The Perturbed Greenhouse

If one adds greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, one is adding to the ‘blanket’ that is inhibiting the emission of heat radiation (also commonly referred to as infrared radiation or long wave radiation). This causes the temperature of the earth to increase until equilibrium with the sun is reestablished.

For example, if one simply doubles the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, the temperature increase is about 1°C.

If, however, water vapor and clouds respond to the increase in temperature in such a manner as to further enhance the ‘blanketing,’ then we have what is called a positive feedback, and the temperature needed to reestablish equilibrium will be increased. In the climate GCMs (General Circulation Models) referred to by the IPCC (the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), this new temperature ranges from roughly 1.5°C to 5°C.

The equilibrium response to a doubling of CO2 (including the effects of feedbacks) is commonly referred to as the climate sensitivity.

Two Important Points

1. Equilibration takes time.

2. The feedbacks are responses to temperature – not to CO2 increases per se.

The time it takes depends primarily on the climate sensitivity, and the rapidity with which heat is transported down into the ocean. Both higher sensitivity and more rapid mixing lead to longer times. For the models referred to by the IPCC, this time is on the order of decades.

This all leads to a crucial observational test of feedbacks!

The Test: Preliminaries

Note that, in addition to any long term trends that may be present, temperature fluctuates on shorter time scales ranging from years to decades.

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Such fluctuations are associated with the internal dynamics of the ocean- atmosphere system. Examples include the El Nino – Southern Oscillation, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, etc.

These fluctuations must excite the feedback mechanisms that we have just described.

The Test

1. Run the models with the observed sea surface temperatures as boundary conditions.

2. Use the models to calculate the heat radiation emitted to space.

3. Use satellites to measure the heat radiation actually emitted by the earth.

When temperature fluctuations lead to warmer temperatures, emitted heat radiation should increase, but positive feedbacks should inhibit these emissions by virtue of the enhanced ‘blanketing.’ Given the model climate sensitivities, this ‘blanketing’ should typically reduce the emissions by a factor of about 2 or 3 from what one would see in the absence of feedbacks. If the satellite data confirms the calculated emissions, then this would constitute solid evidence that the model feedbacks are correct.

The Results of an Inadvertent Test

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From Wielicki, B.A., T. Wong, et al, 2002: Evidence for large decadal variability in the tropical mean radiative energy budget. Science, 295, 841-844.

Above graph:

Comparison of the observed broadband LW and SW flux anomalies for the tropics with climate model simulations using observed SST records. The models are not given volcanic aerosols, so the should not expected to show the Mt. Pinatubo eruption effects in mid-1991 through mid-1993. The dashed line shows the mean of all five models, and the gray band shows the total rnage of model anomalies (maximum to minimum).

It is the topmost panel for long wave (LW) emission that we want.

Let us examine the top figure a bit more closely.

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From 1985 until 1989 the models and observations are more or less the same – they have, in fact, been tuned to be so. However, with the warming after 1989, the observations characteristically exceed 7 times the model values. Recall that if the observations were only 2-3 times what the models produce, it would correspond to no feedback. What we see is much more than this – implying strong negative feedback. Note that the ups and downs of both the observations and the model (forced by observed sea surface temperature) follow the ups and downs of temperature (not shown).

Note that these results were sufficiently surprising that they were confirmed by at least 4 other groups:

Chen, J., B.E. Carlson, and A.D. Del Genio, 2002: Evidence for strengthening of the tropical general circulation in the 1990s. Science, 295, 838-841.

Cess, R.D. and P.M. Udelhofen, 2003: Climate change during 1985–1999: Cloud interactions determined from satellite measurements. Geophys. Res. Ltrs., 30, No. 1, 1019, doi:10.1029/2002GL016128.

Hatzidimitriou, D., I. Vardavas, K. G. Pavlakis, N. Hatzianastassiou, C. Matsoukas, and E. Drakakis (2004) On the decadal increase in the tropical mean outgoing longwave radiation for the period 1984–2000. Atmos. Chem. Phys., 4, 1419–1425.

Clement, A.C. and B. Soden (2005) The sensitivity of the tropical-mean radiation budget. J. Clim., 18, 3189-3203.

The preceding authors did not dwell on the profound implications of these results – they had not intended a test of model feedbacks! Rather, they mostly emphasized that the differences had to arise from cloud behavior (a well acknowledged weakness of current models). However, as noted by Chou and Lindzen (2005, Comments on “Examination of the Decadal Tropical Mean ERBS Nonscanner Radiation Data for the Iris Hypothesis”, J. Climate, 18, 2123-2127), the results imply a strong negative feedback regardless of what one attributes this to.

The Bottom Line

The earth’s climate (in contrast to the climate in current climate GCMs) is dominated by a strong net negative feedback. Climate sensitivity is on the order of 0.3°C, and such warming as may arise from increasing greenhouse gases will be indistinguishable from the fluctuations in climate that occur naturally from processes internal to the climate system itself.

An aside on Feedbacks

Here is an easily appreciated example of positive and negative feedback. In your car, the gas and brake pedals act as negative feedbacks to reduce speed when you are going too fast and increase it when you are going too slow. If someone were to reverse the position of the pedals without informing you, then they would act as positive feedbacks: increasing your speed when you are going too fast, and slowing you down when you are going too slow.

gas-brake-pedals

Alarming climate predictions depend critically on the fact that models have large positive feedbacks. The crucial question is whether nature actually behaves this way? The answer, as we have just seen, is unambiguously no.

UPDATE: There are some suggestions (in comments) that the graph has issues of orbital decay affecting the nonscanner instrument’s field of view. I’ve sent a request off to Dr. Lindzen for clarification. – Anthony

UPDATE2: While I have not yet heard from Dr. Lindzen (it has only been 3 hours as of this writing) commenter “wmanny” found this below,  apparently written by Lindzen to address the issue:

“Recently, Wong et al (Wong, Wielicki et al, 2006, Reexamination of the Observed Decadal Variability of the Earth Radiation Budget Using Altitude-Corrected ERBE/ERBS Nonscanner WFOV Data, J. Clim., 19, 4028-4040) have reassessed their data to reduce the magnitude of the anomaly, but the remaining anomaly still represents a substantial negative feedback, and there is reason to question the new adjustments.”

I found the text above to match “wmanny’s” comment in a presentation given by Lindzen to Colgate University on 7/11/2008 which you can see here as a PDF:

http://portaldata.colgate.edu/imagegallerywww/3503/ImageGallery/LindzenLectureBeyondModels.pdf

– Anthony

UPDATE3: I received this email today  (4/10) from Dr. Lindzen. My sincere thanks for his response.

Dear Anthony,

The paper was sent out for comments, and the comments (even those from “realclimate”) are appreciated.  In fact, the reduction of the difference in OLR between the 80’s and 90’s due to orbital decay seems to me to be largely correct.  However, the reduction in Wong, Wielicki et al (2006) of the difference in the spikes of OLR between observations and models cannot be attributed to orbital decay, and seem to me to be questionable.  Nevertheless, the differences that remain still imply negative feedbacks.  We are proceeding to redo the analysis of satellite data in order to better understand what went into these analyses.  The matter of net differences between the 80’s and 90’s is an interesting question.  Given enough time, the radiative balance is reestablished and the anomalies can be wiped out.  The time it takes for this to happen depends on climate sensitivity with adjustments occurring more rapidly when sensitivity is less.  However, for the spikes, the time scales are short enough to preclude adjustment except for very low sensitivity.

That said, it has become standard in climate science that data in contradiction to alarmism is inevitably ‘corrected’ to bring it closer to alarming models.  None of us would argue that this data is perfect, and the corrections are often plausible.  What is implausible is that the ‘corrections’ should always bring the data closer to models.

Best wishes,

Dick


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par5
March 31, 2009 2:37 am

“The most tragic thing in science is that a beautiful theory can be slayed by one ugly fact”. Thank you, Dr. ‘Dagonslayer’ Lidzen.

Richard S Courtney
March 31, 2009 2:47 am

All:
As several have noted, Prof. Lindzen provides a clear and cogent case that empirical evidence indicates negative feedback in the climate system.
Paleo data indicates the same.
The Sun is a g-type star and observation of such stars indicates they get hotter as they age. For this reason, direct radiative forcing of the Earth’s climate by the Sun must have increased by ~30% in the 2.5 billion years since the Earth acquired an oxygen-rich atmosphere. Therefore, if the climate system had no feedbacks then the oceans would have boiled to steam by now. Indeed, the climate system has been bi-stable (i.e. stable in glacial and interglacial states) with remarkably little temperature difference in each state throughout geological ages.
For nearly three decades I have been asking AGW-advocates why ~0.4% increase to radiative forcing from a doubling of carbon dioxide is feared when ~30% increase to radiative forcing from the Sun has had no discernible effect. To date, I have not had a sensible answer.
Richard

March 31, 2009 2:56 am

Archonix (00:27:40) :
@FatBigot: In case you were being serious, the americans have their pedals the same way around as us. The big one is there because they tend to drive automatics and need somewhere to put their clutch foot when they’re emergency breaking.

We Americans drive big cars. We don’t brake for nuthin’.

Graeme Rodaughan
March 31, 2009 2:57 am

Mike Guerin (23:29:36) :
Is it just me? Am I that smart and everyone else that stupid. Isn’t it obvious that for life to exist on earth there must be a strong negative feedback effect in place. Without strong negative feedback does anyone sane really think that the climate on earth would remain stable enough long enough for life to evolve and prosper?

Mike – you are not alone. The premise of a world climate that oscillates about a mean driven by Negative feedbacks and providing a mostly stable environment conducive to life for many millions of years is a common idea.
The problem that I have is the premise that this stable, natural variation has been turned on it’s head within the last 100 to 150 years (AGW).
It’s an extraordinary claim and requires extraordinary evidence – and not even ordinary evidence is available to support it (AGW).

Graeme Rodaughan
March 31, 2009 3:00 am

Roger Carr (23:46:56) :
Graeme Rodaughan (22:55:26) wrote in part: “Mind you in Australia, Ice Ages provide more water and lush rain forests will cover much of the east coast…”
Steady, Graeme. You could break a lot of hearts with statements like that. Australia is fragile. Australia is doomed. You must imprint that on your mind. Drink only seawater (I think that’s what causes the hallucinations) and get back into the mainstream.

Ha Ha…. Australia will Rule the next (Frozen) Millenium (Post 3000 AD). Just take my word for it……

Graeme Rodaughan
March 31, 2009 3:02 am

Richard Heg (23:48:31) :
One thing that puzzles me in the environmental movement with regard to feedback is Gaia theory as proposed by James Lovelock which as defined in wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_theory says:
“The Gaia hypothesis is an ecological hypothesis proposing that the biosphere and the physical components of the Earth (atmosphere, cryosphere, hydrosphere and lithosphere) are closely integrated to form a complex interacting system that maintains the climatic and biogeochemical conditions on Earth in a preferred homeostasis.”
This sounds quite elegant to me, that the biological and geological activity produce a feedback system which unlike our neighbors Mars and Venus has kept the earth in a state which allows life to exist. It goes on to say:
“Some relatively simple homeostatic mechanisms are generally accepted. For example, when atmospheric carbon dioxide levels rise, the biomass of photosynthetic organisms increases and thus removes more carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, but the extent to which these mechanisms stabilize and modify the Earth’s overall climate are not yet known.”
So my reading of Gaia theory says nothing to worry about the earth is full of feedbacks which keep thing relativelyly stable. Problem solved, now lets have a nice cup of tea.
However James Lovelock seems to have a different vision, he seems to see humans as a cancer. Here is a quote from a recent interview:
“Because of this (AGW), the cull during this century is going to be huge, up to 90 per cent. The number of people remaining at the end of the century will probably be a billion or less.”
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126921.500-one-last-chance-to-save-mankind.html
I dont understand how i can look at a theory and come to the exact opposite conclusions of the person who proposed it.

Is he a closet Malthusian?
Does it increase his social status to jump on board the latest alarmist craze?
Does he feel validated?
Inquiring minds would like to know.

Graeme Rodaughan
March 31, 2009 3:06 am

Alan the Brit (01:06:38) :
Excellent, first class. A calm look at reality is what is always needed.
Slightly OT then, IF we’re headed for a new ice age within 1,000 years, is there some organisation that can take the UN & its IPCC & the WMO to task for overt ignorance of this basic fact of life, & sue the hell out of them for shear incompetence! Anyway the south west of England should be realitvely ice free, but rather crowded!!!! I’d better get practicing the flint napping.

The Brits will just have to migrate to the Costa del Sol and other locations on the Spanish Coast…
Whoops – that’s already happening – this Impending Ice Age must be closer than we think…

peter_ga
March 31, 2009 3:07 am

This seems very much in line with what Dr Roy Spencer is saying.

Graeme Rodaughan
March 31, 2009 3:12 am

vg (00:45:39) :
….
I would say that the scientist leading the AGW’res have about 12-24 months before their careers are terminated or they will be required to change “research activities” LOL

One could hope – however AGW is a very well funded and powered movement, and it will take significant public backlash before the Politicians sit up and take notice… and that’s still to happen.

Mike Ramsey
March 31, 2009 3:25 am

Dr. Lindzen has just falsified a key postulate of Anthropogenic Global Warming.  Now we will see if the AGW proponents are scientist or just cheap politicians hustling for a dime.
Seriously, this is very big. Congratulations Dr. Lindzen and a hardy way-to-go Anthony!
–Mike Ramsey

Nick Yates
March 31, 2009 3:33 am

vg (00:45:39) :
Looks like Hansen has decided that the models are no good after all

I find that amazing. So he’s now saying that the empirical evidence supports AGW and is the main basis for his predictions, not the models? This really is game over Hansen.
By the way, this was an excellent article by Richard Lindzen.

Robert Bateman
March 31, 2009 3:36 am

If I am getting all of this correct: The satellites measured the shortwave coming from the Sun, and the longwave being lost by the Earth, and found equilibrium. Is that right? In the case of clouds (water vapor) the satellites could meause both the longwave coming through and the shortwave that was reflected (never reaching the ground) and again found equilibrium.
Is that also right?
So, if all of that above is correct, then Archibald is correct when he says that if the AGW’er ever manage to find a way to remove the CO2 from the atmosphere, they will throw the baby out with the bathwater and both will freeze up.

Norm Kalmanovitch
March 31, 2009 3:46 am

One of the factors used by the IPCC in stating the 90% certainty for human causation of global warming is that the forcing of 3.71watts/m^2 from a doubling of CO2 falls between the 5 and 95 percentiles from the model outputs. Since 5.35ln(2) equals 3.71 it is quite clear that the GCM models are designed to confirm the forcing parameter of the original Hansen model from the 1988 paper. Essentially this parameter was invented to introduce CO2 forcing into the existing climate models in such a way as to demonstrate potential catastrophic warming where none exists. The basis for this was the assumption that natural warming of 0.6°C was caused entirely by CO2 increases which were attributed to fossil fuel emissions (even though the source of these emissions is mostly due to outgassing of CO2 from warming oceans).
The forcing parameter that resulted was
5.35ln(current CO2)/(reference CO2) which leads to a value of 3.71 for a doubling. To use the analogy of the accelerator and the brake this formula does not have a brake and only shows increasing forcing with increasing CO2. The conversion from watts/m^2 to temperature is accomplished with the factor 0.75°C/watt resulting in basic warming of 2.78°C for a doubling of CO2. Since 2002 the concentration of CO2 has gone from about 374ppmv to 386ppmv. The forcing parameter of 5.35ln(386/374) * 0.75 shows that there should have been an increase in global temperature increase of 0.0236°C but the satellite temperature data show that the temperature cooled by about 0.15°C since 2002. The cooling is six times the rate and in the opposite direction of the predicted temperature of the models. This means that even if the models were actually based on fact feedback systems not included in the models dominate the effect tyo the point that the predictions of the models are irrelevant.
Norm K.

Robert Bateman
March 31, 2009 3:49 am

As for this link:
http://www.ianschumacher.com/maximum_temperature.html
SDSS found to thier dismay that u filters they placed inside the cooled chamber with the imaging chip (CCD) changed in properties due to being in a vacuum.
http://www.sdss.org/dr6/products/images/index.html#redleak
There is also some stuff in there about airmass and UV.
Now, that’s an empirical test with a real live filter set.

bill
March 31, 2009 4:02 am

Surely the climate is a metastable system as indicated by ice core records etc:
Super ice age (snow ball earth)(?)
Ice age -2degC
warm age 0degC
Hot age(?) +2degC 40Mybp +8degC 400Mybp
Positive feedback is not an unlimited effect GHGs have logarithmic effects enabling the negative FBs (plant growth, radiation balance etc) to re-take control.Methane trapped in frozen tundra may be released if the temperature increases. CH4 in the atmosphere has a life of about 4 years. So the tipping point when these are released may only produce a pulse of high temeratures for a couple of decades.
However this may be long enough to melt land based ice reducing the albedo and adding to the positive FB. However these effects are self limiting – plant growth, radiation balance (a hotter earth = more heat radiated but same heat input) will attain a new stable temperature.
The question is what will this be? and what will reduce the climate back to the current metastable state?

Robert Wood
March 31, 2009 4:26 am

Graeme Rodaughan 22:55:26
Right, I’m moving to Australia in 3 thousand years 🙂

Squidly
March 31, 2009 4:26 am

Jack Hughes (01:31:30) :
It’s common sense that there is negative feedback. This is what keeps the climate fairly stable.

Thank you Jack, and others that have pointed this out! Finally, some talk about this mechanism, what I call the “impossible tipping point” mechanism. When I first heard the words “tipping point” as it pertains to AGW, I think it triggered my tipping point in the AGW debate. I believe it to be physically impossible on this planet (perhaps any other for that matter) to have a “tipping point” and “runaway greenhouse effect”. Common sense simply tells you this is so, yet one of the fundamental drivers of the AGW theory requires a “tipping point”. There very fact that this “tipping point” cannot exists, for me, completely invalidates the entire theory of AGW, and it didn’t take any kind of model to deduce this very simple observation.

Mike Bryant
March 31, 2009 4:27 am

Just look at the recent articles here.
Chip, chip, chip… the stone wall that has been erected around the false science of AGW is being torn down. The poliscis better climb aboard the train of life and leave the AGW hoax while the getting is good.
Thanks, Anthony, for helping to shine the spotlight of truth into the putrid corners of what passes for science today.
Mike

GK
March 31, 2009 4:28 am

Pffft….this is all a moot point
The AGW propagandists dont care about facts or science. The AGW cause is nothing but a means to spread and enforce the socialist green religious ideology of the modern left.
The MSM media will never ever report these facts. Not unless criminal/legal action is taken against the journalsits and their editors. I dont know if there is a legal basis for this (eg Treason laws). But make no mistake. NOTHING, EVER will make the left wing MSM media report on these facts.
With the exception of a small few in the media (like Andrew Bolt in Australia), most journalists are dedicated “modern socialists” who will do and say what ever is necessary to promote the modern left wing socialist religion/ideology.
We are doomed to live our lives under strict control unless action is taken against those in the media promiting this.

cohenite
March 31, 2009 4:28 am

Clear and lucid and what Miskolczi has been saying; not to mention Spencer and Steve Short and… everyone except IPCC and its associates.

JamesG
March 31, 2009 4:39 am

It would be nice to see an AGWer with a scientific argument against this presentation so we can find out their objections, valid or otherwise. Will it happen? From what I’ve seen so far, despite their oft-stated commitment to science, it’s not clear if any of them even read what Lindzen has ever written; they seem just to expound that RC says Lindzen has been rebutted and that’s all they need. I wait with baited breath, the educated rebuttals.

Douglas DC
March 31, 2009 4:40 am

Very good article-I see the Warmists going off the rails daily.I also see the common
folks-believing less and less of it.Fargo,for instance is NOT a Warming event…

Ron de Haan
March 31, 2009 4:50 am

Dr. Lindzen, thank you very very much for your work and your posting.
Anthony, please have a look at this amazing picture:
http://spaceweather.com/submissions/large_image_popup.php?image_name=Brian-Whittaker-www-BrianWhittaker-com-Redoubt-Ash_1238432595.jpg
Also have a look at the SO2 graph
http://www.spaceweather.com/
Thanks

Boudu
March 31, 2009 5:02 am

O/T Sir Nicholas Stern is shortly due on Radio Five Live in the UK (14:30 BST) talking about Climate Change and his new book. I’m preparing my email now !

March 31, 2009 5:03 am

Kind of a IPCC “adjusted” new greenhouse theory. Where is it the original paper?, how much time lasts the isotherm?

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