Solar Cycle 24 has ended according to NASA. Yes you read that right. Somebody at NASA can’t even figure out which solar cycle they are talking about. Or, as commenters to the thread have pointed out, perhaps they see that cycle 24 has been skipped. We’ll be watching this one to see the outcome. – Anthony
Michael Ronanye writes in comments:
NASA has just changed the name of the project from Solar Cycle 23 to Solar Cycle 24. I would love to have attended that meeting.
B.9 CAUSES AND CONSEQUENCES OF THE MINIMUM OF SOLAR CYCLE 24
Clarified March 10, 2009: All references to “Solar Cycle 23″ have been updated to “Solar Cycle 24.” Reference in Section 1 to “Solar Cycle 22″ has been updated to “Solar Cycle 23.”
See the changed text here:
Causes and Consequences of the Minimum of Solar Cycle 24
Talk about Freudian Slips, what Solar Cycle is it anyway? No wonder they can’t make predications!
But it gets even better. NASA has just declared that Solar Cycle 24 is over. Read the first paragraph in the above PDF:
1. Scope of Program
In 2009, we are in the midst of the minimum of solar activity that marks the end of Solar Cycle 24. As this cycle comes to an end we are recognizing, in retrospect, that the Sun has been extraordinarily quiet during this particular Solar Cycle minimum. This is evidenced in records of both solar activity and the response to it of the terrestrial space environment.
Obviously someone made an error when editing the text of the original document and did not catch their mistake. Quick, make your own backup copy of this “Great Moment in Science”.
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It’s epidemic I say! Lost sea ice. Lost satellite! Lost Global Warming. Now we have lost a Sun cycle! Where are my keys!?!?!?!?!
WHERE IS THE NASA THAT PUT MEN ON THE MOON???
They’ve switched to trying to put a man on the sun.
The sun is dead
The sun has taken you to fantasy
That distant star
Came up to the point of tragedy
Should scientists not help the policy makers consider alternative scenarios and thus force them to address preparations for alternative paths. Anytime politicians place all our eggs in the warming basket, one must be concerned. Should not NASA and NOAA consider the implications of lower solar output and the implications to food crops, energy needs, civil unrest…………… Implications of continued lower solar output needs to be seriously considered.
“WHERE IS THE NASA THAT PUT MEN ON THE MOON???
They’ve switched to trying to put a man on the sun.”
You have to go at night.
The subdued sun is heading back to aphelion from perihelion. Pity the poor southern hemispherians and their impending winter.
Please forgive me for “skeptic.” We forgot to lock the door of the asylum after visitor’s hours. He must have snuck out for a night of trolling. So sorry.
skeptic (11:52:04) :
Nature will respond to climate change in the future in a self-stabilising way, as it always has in the past.” The statement does not mention that this quote (or paraphrase) is quite obviously false. Climate does not “always” respond in a self-stabilizing way. In the PETM it responded in a highly unstabilizing way resulting in the extinction of most life on earth.
If it was not for PETM evolutionary bifurcation we would not be here discussing this.
The overall effect of life has been to cool our planet from long-term increase
in solar radiation eg (Schwartzmann 1999).
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh133/mataraka/faintearthparadox.jpg
Al Fin (20:30:21) wrote: “Pity the poor southern hemispherians and their impending winter.”
Save your pity, Al. In Victoria, Australia, I’m sweating on it. The current restricted global warming here is sending me loco. Let it winter hard as it wants, I’ll be like Scrooge McDuck in his money pile… although I acknowledge winter here does not mean ice.
If this is a typo then it is a case of careless that it happened. If the GISS Oct. 2008 data set was an oversight (?) then that is even worse carelessness.
The hare got careless too. The tortoise won.
“Anthropogenic Solar Chaos (20:05:25) : …Implications of continued lower solar output needs to be seriously considered.”
I agree. But Al Gore has snuffed that out. As Willie Soon said, (para) we need to work to save the earth from Al Gore.
No DR, Leif Svalgaard
The quiet is stunning!
All of his links show we are within normal deviations of a normal cycle….. BUT, what if this is NOT,,,, a “normal ” cycle?……
what a kink in the models eah?
Car 54 where are you?
looks like links/ paper is legit … no typo’s ether.
Michael Ronanye looks like you found something NOT for public consumption.
This thread could get zapped.. so save it to HD. LOL
humm………
It’s obvious that the only way to save ourselves and the planet now is to launch all our worldly goods into the sun and return to the “good old days” of serfdom, famine due to controllable pests, death from preventable and curable diseases or exposure to the elements, etc…
Roger Carr (21:14:48) :
Al Fin (20:30:21) wrote: “Pity the poor southern hemispherians and their impending winter.”
Save your pity, Al. In Victoria, Australia, I’m sweating on it. The current restricted global warming here is sending me loco. Let it winter hard as it wants, I’ll be like Scrooge McDuck in his money pile… although I acknowledge winter here does not mean ice.
I just purchased a metric tonne of wood for the open fire and I’m expecting a sharp, cold winter with an excellent skiing season on the victorian alps.
(-ve PDO, low solar output, indetectable CO2 forcing for warming, etc…)
OT.
Just a question.
If the last centure had an average temperature rise of 0.7 degrees Celsius.
Does that mean that we could calibrate the UHI effect by performing the following test.
[1] Gather data for monitoring sites that are only in cities. (Exclude Rural sites)
[2] For each site, subtract 0.7 from the measured warming.
[3] Repeat for a period from 1900 to approx 1990 (or whenever it was) to match up with the sudden large station drop outs.
One would think that the temperture rise in the cities should still be +ve if UHI is a factor?
Is this reasonable, if reasonable, has someone already done this.
Thanks
Graeme Rodaughan (22:08:25) wrote: “…cold winter with an excellent skiing season on the victorian alps.”
When did we in Australia begin calling our high country “alps”, Graeme? It is used right through the weather news and in many other places, and is beginning to annoy me. At least (for example) when America wanted another York they had the decency to to put “new” in front of it.
Do we Aussies really need a “New Alps” to hide the simplicity of the old high country, ranges, mountains terms?
I guess they peer-review their headlines about as stringently as they do their historic data.
Pamela Gray (19:57:36) :
“It’s epidemic I say! Lost sea ice. Lost satellite! Lost Global Warming. Now we have lost a Sun cycle! Where are my keys!?!?!?!?!”
I think the cat in the “Gravity” article ate them
skeptic (11:18:35) :
What happened skeptic? Did you get out of the wrong side of bed this morning? Did little Tommy steal your dump truck?
If the content here does nothing to stimulate your obviously superior intellect than Troll off and read your IPCC Bible or something…
Al Fin
Pity us indeed! Nine days to the autumn equinox down here in New Zealand, but a month a go someone flicked the switch early. Not too sure if we have skipped a solar cycle or not, but a lot of people around here think that we have skipped autumn and gone straight to winter.
The southern part of the country had snow down to 600m (1800 ft) the other day. Not totally unheard of for March (think September) but not common either.
Watch this space. We’ll keep you posted.
Al Fin (20:30:21) wrote: “Pity the poor southern hemispherians and their impending winter.”
Just a bit less than two weeks into autumn and I drove through slush and flying snow to get to work in southern NZ. Admittedly at 500 feet or so. This may not be unprecedented, but it’s certainly very unusual. Such conditions usually do not occur before June at the earliest, often not until July. I think we were forecast an Indian summer. It’s been cold and wet (and windy) since early February. Just weather.
David Archibald (19:54:53) :
The F 10.7 flux was 71 recently, now 69. Is 68 possible? Or all the way back to 65?
The minimum is not necessarily in yet. The rise over the last six months may have been largely orbital.
Indeed, David. I am watching this like a hawk. I have waited for almost a year to see this play out. I detect a breakover forming, and the matching one from 2008. There is a lag of 6 weeks after perihelion. Mid February.
There are plenty of possible explanations, but one of them might be the the direction the sun takes through the galaxy. Bow shock effect. Drag on the bullet (Sun). Solar Orbital effect.
realitycheck (12:12:09) :
An honest mistake in the normally strictly QC’d output from NASA
Nothing to see here, move along, move along…
Feet? Meters? Mars? CRASH. “Strictly QC’d” nothing to see… move along…
Frozen rubber seals? Need to launch… nothing to bury… move along…
Computer code that is really really lousy (GIStemp) and won’t run as shipped … “Strictly QC’d” move along…
CO2 satellite (CRASH!) nothing to see, up in smoke …
I’ll stop now. At a $billion or two a pop this could add up to real money.
as a member of the peanut gallery:
applause: E.M.Smith (04:37:59)
And: Catania (sun spot), Mauna Loa, NSIDC and others honest mistake
Mr Watts,
You Sir, are a gentleman & a scholar. I thought you were very restrained *& polite despite the obvious & clearly aggressive tone shown by Skecptic. I must be getting too old now I am 51, I saw that diatribe coming him from & or her immediately. Just new it. Well done! Keep up the excellent work.
Squidly;-) I second that too, well said Sir
BTW more doom & gloom from the BBC today, it really is getting boring now. The nearer an idea comes to an end the more the porponts scream & shout the end of the world is nigh! I wish the sea level would make up its mind, it seems to rise up, at first very slowly, then quite quickly, then stabilizes, all over about 6 hours, then it starts falling at a simlar rate that at which it rose, back to where it started from, beats me! (Yes I am joking as I do have an Advanced Powerboat Certificate (Ribs) from the RYA!)
Sorry about the typos, please let’s not have a debate on it, I am too frightend of Skeptic! He he!