Guest post by Steven Goddard
The Senate Budget Committee chairman said today :
Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said he has spoken to enough colleagues about several different provisions in the budget to make him think Congress won’t pass it. Conrad urged White House budget director Peter Orszag not to “draw lines in the sand” with lawmakers, most notably on Obama’s plan for a cap-and-trade system to curb carbon emissions. “Anybody who thinks it will be easy to get the votes on the budget in the conditions that we face is smoking something,”
So who is Senator Conrad referring to with that last comment?
Orszag acknowledged concerns over the budget and added that the budget plan represents the administration’s “best judgments.“
I wonder if the people in Michigan fighting to keep ice from destroying their houses, are willing to pay extra taxes to fight global warming?
“Despite the Obama administration’s claim that its budget wouldn’t raise taxes on families earning less than $250,000 a year, ‘the budget before us assumes large amounts of money’ from the climate-change legislation, Rep. Dave Camp of Michigan, the top Republican on the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, said at a hearing Tuesday. ‘And that means higher prices for Americans for food, for gas, for electricity, and in a state like Michigan for home heating – pretty much anything that they buy.'”
“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”
– Candidate Obama in an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle January 17, 2008
I wonder if any of that huge sum might get passed on to people making less than $250,000? What do readers think?
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All they need to do is insist that the President hold true to his promise made Monday: to base “public policies on the soundest science” as well as to “appoint scientific advisers based on their credentials and experience, not their politics or ideology” and “to develop a strategy for restoring scientific integrity to government decision-making.”
Or is it too late because he has already based the carbon cap policy on weak science from advisers driven by ideology and consequently skirted scientific integrity in government decisions?
OMG! I love that cartoon!
Here’s Candidate Obama on VIDEO, an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle January 17, 2008. Same interview as the audio posted Steven Goddard :
Nearly 70% of Australians polled want “action on climate change”. That is one reason Kevin Rudd (KRudd747 as he’s always flying about here and there etc) secured his victory in 2007. I’d imagine a similar number US voters also wanted action on climate change, one reason why Obama won.
It’s clear most people are stupid (Although I do believe Obama will prove to be a big improvement on Bush).
I’m sure some of the people required to administrate cap and trade will make less than $250,000 per year …
This is what Bloomberg thinks (about Obama)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_hassett&sid=amhpOT5rlR1Y
This is what I think:
NO CAP & TRADE, NO CLIMATE TAX, NO CO2 EMISSION REGULATIONS
OBAMA HAS TO GO BEFORE HE CAUSES FURTHER DESTRUCTION OF THE US
ECONOMY AND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS ASAP
“I wonder if any of that huge sum might get passed on to people making less than $250,000? What do readers think?”
I am always amazed at the number of people who either:
A) Are stupid enough to not understand that at a fundamental level onlypeople can pay taxes, corporations cannot.
B) Understand A) but are able to suspend their critical faculties in order to maintain a belief system.
Many elderly will die in America’s ever-harsher winters once the coal plants of the mid-west are shuttered and energy prices sky-rocket. Snow-covered solar panels will not warm anyone.
Now that savings accounts across the globe have been robbed by Rep. Barney Frank’s special friends, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, many elderly will be unable to afford heating bills, even with meager tax credits.
No compassion will be shown for the poor. It will all be reserved for the anthropomorphic “Mother Earth”. Come to think of it… is this about Anthropogenic Global Warming or Anthropomorphic Global Warming?
To be honest, while Obama does seem a little hung up on the whole global warming thing, he is such an improvement from his predecessor and when you think that we could have had Palin in the white-house… Well, what more can I say.
P Folkens (22:16:19) :
All they need to do is insist that the President hold true to his promise made Monday: to base “public policies on the soundest science” as well as to “appoint scientific advisers based on their credentials and experience, not their politics or ideology” and “to develop a strategy for restoring scientific integrity to government decision-making.”
Or is it too late because he has already based the carbon cap policy on weak science from advisers driven by ideology and consequently skirted scientific integrity in government decisions?
P Folkens
The set policy is nothing more but a smoke curtain.
Those who do not agree with the set science can start a legal procedure.
This will take time and in the mean time the legislation is put through Congress and the Senate.
What is more important is to know the OBJECTIVES behind the set legislation, the Government policies and it’s CONSEQUENCES?
We know that AGW/Climate Change is a Hoax supported by BAD SCIENCE. So why should we take any CO2 mitigation measures?
The frigtning reality lies behind the AGW /Climate Change hoax.
By setting legislation directed at CO2 reduction (80% by 2050) the Government will gain total control over the economy and it’s citizens and their behavior.
The introduction of CO2 Climate legislation is just a step in to start the first Global Revolution.
We risk to be overtaken by an ECO FASCIST REGIME in an attempt to control world population and human activity.
This coup is prepared for a long time (20 years) and Obama is the Trojan Horse to make it happen.
It is in all our interests to prevent the CO2 LEGISLATION and Climate Taxation in any form.
It is also in our interest to see which threat Obama represents and get him out of office as soon as possible.
We need to inform people about the climate hoax and clean up our administrative and political institutions.
If we fail to stop the current process now, we will face a long and bitter struggle.
How soon before fizzy drinks are banned or are subjected to carbon tax? The billions of bottles and cans of carbonated pop and beer sold every year are a catastrophe in the making. Why stop at carbon? Let’s have a methane tax too. Methane is a greenhouse gas and all that flatulence, human as well as bovine, must be wreaking havock. Perhaps they should be investing in methane capture technology for underwear? They can transform the captured carbon into charcoal filters to neutralise nasty smells.
Makes you wonder how far this madness will go and where it’s going to stop. ;0)
It should be obvious that the real issue is not and never has been “climate change”. Induced climate change hysteria is simply a means to an end. That end is the heart and soul of the enviro-political movement, which has always been the abandonment of “dirty” fossil (and nuclear) energy sources in favor of “clean” renewables. The demonstrable fact that neither the scale nor ecnomics of renewables necessary to achieve parity with traditional forms of energy are even remotely achievable with present technology has never deterred proponents of alternatives. Penalizing carbon while subsidizing renewables is a perverted way of “faking” economic parity while conveniently offering up the excess “penalty over subsidy” funds for other “good” governmental programs. The problem of scale is one of inherent “energy density”; there is no solution to that one in sight and no way to “fake” that unfortunate physical reality. That being the case, carbon “cap and trade” will simply become just another tax on every citizen and business in the U.S. at a time when we can ill afford the additional drag on our economy.
Pat (22:25:27) :
Nearly 70% of Australians polled want “action on climate change”. That is one reason Kevin Rudd (KRudd747 as he’s always flying about here and there etc) secured his victory in 2007. I’d imagine a similar number US voters also wanted action on climate change, one reason why Obama won.
[snip – this is way OT, let us stick to climate cap and trade please – Anthony]
Pat (22:25:27) : I’d imagine a similar number US voters also wanted action on climate change, one reason why Obama won.
Actually “climate change / global warming” had a very, very, low priority in the election.
Public Priorities & Climate Change
http://penoflight.com/climatebuzz/?p=284
That is given even more highlight by the fact that Conrad is a democrat… speaking out against Obama and carbon caps. That really hurts Obama because he was counting on scamming (taxing) Americans to the tune of almost 3/4 trillion dollars per year in carbon taxes. Americans are slowly learning that the ONLY thing that the AGW agenda will accomplish is an increase in taxes / revenue for the government.
Most people are learning that our CO2 emissions, for the most part, are inconsequential. The miniscule amount that they affect global temperatures is essentially a non-issue. On the other hand.. The greatest changes caused by man are due to deforestation, land-use, and urbanization. Yet, no one advocates reforestation of agricultural lands, removal of roadways, leveling of cities and towns then replacing them with forests, etc.
Well, talking of effects of basic forces, this is of interest:
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/The_Ice_Caps_are_Growing.pdf
that claims the slowing of the clocks recently are best attributed to increase of ice on the poles.
So that is why the seas are falling :).
“Pat, which pole was that?
I know of a Pole which has been published stating that 90% of the Australians don’t believe Global Warming /Climate Change is caused by humans.”
Not seen that one, my quotes are from current affairs prograns recently discussing impacts of CC. Clearly one must be vary cautious about what reports get reported.
I don’t quite understand that for both Obama and KRudd to gain power, one of the pre-election promices was squarely directed at CC action. Politicians are not to be trusted.
“UK Sceptic (23:48:48) :
How soon before fizzy drinks are banned or are subjected to carbon tax? The billions of bottles and cans of carbonated pop and beer sold every year are a catastrophe in the making. Why stop at carbon? Let’s have a methane tax too. Methane is a greenhouse gas and all that flatulence, human as well as bovine, must be wreaking havock. Perhaps they should be investing in methane capture technology for underwear? They can transform the captured carbon into charcoal filters to neutralise nasty smells.
Makes you wonder how far this madness will go and where it’s going to stop. ;0)”
I wonder how politicians will tax termites as they produce more methane than all other living things? I wonder how politicians will tax forrests as they produce more CO2 and methane than all of human activity?
You can’t grow the economy by transferring wealth from the productive to the non-productive sectors.
Obama is virtually forced to push Cap & Trade – whether he wants to or not. The environmental elements in his party are so powerful that they would never tolerate him backing down.
Obama is between a rock and a hard place.
“slowing of the clocks recently are best attributed to increase of ice on the poles.”
Actually, it is not having to add leap seconds that the article is talking about. The clocks go the same speed. It is the rotation speed of the Earth that is changing and the article is about how only one leap second has been added since 1999.
Also, as the icecaps are not symmetrical in their mass distribution and not situated directly on the pole, what we should also see with ice building up is a very slight shift in the rotational axis. The rotational axis will align with the center of mass distribution. If ice builds up in Greenland, it will slightly change the mass distribution and therefore the rotational axis. But one must look at the total distribution at both poles. Even so, any significant change in mass distribution at the poles should cause a slight drift in the rotational axis that should be measurable over time.
“I know of a Pole which has been published stating that 90% of the Australians don’t believe Global Warming /Climate Change is caused by humans.
See: http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/wrong_answer”
Appears to be a poll about the recent heatwave(Still DID not beat the 1926 or there abouts record) bushfires and if listeners believed it was due to GW. It appears ABC wipped it off their site PDQ due to the answers, a bit “Gaurdian-like” IMO. Fools!
No-one I know here, some fireies (Aussie term for people who work for fire services), do not consider the heatwave and bushfires as a result of GW. Politicians and “Politically motivated groups” will tell you that however, the facts are MOST of the deadly fires were started by arsonists.
UK Sceptic;-)
Charcoal is almost pure carbon. That’s the beauty of it all. Thames Water among others use the same technology as domestic water filter companies, granulated activated carbon to filter the treated water just before they add chlorine to it as it goes into the mains! The chief way we could remove particulates from the atmosphere is thro carbon filtration, i.e charcoal filters! The same technology is used in building & car air conditioning systems to remove pollen, dust & dirt, etc. However, you won’t remove CO2 that way & who in their right mind would want to?
I see my forecast has been confirmed, the BBC has been issuing Global Warming doom & gloom all week along with that poor old Prince of Fools. Good old Met Office scientists are allegedly claiming CC is happening faster than experts expected, again, yawn yawn, & that sea levels are guess what, rising faster than experts expected! Didn’t the good Dr Vikiy Pope recently say that climate alarmism doesn’t help the science of CC. Surely there needs to be some level of consitency, but perhaps because climate is so chaotic, the papal bulls issued from the Met Office Inquisition need also to be chaotic. Charlie thinks we’ve got barely 8 years to avoid catastrophic GW, reaching a tipping point for irreversable CC. Perhaps he might be kept on the South American continent indefinitely? He should stick to talking to his plants so that they can benefit from the extra CO2 he breathes out!
On the EU Referendum blog there is an article about a GCSE Physics exam (for 16 year olds) question that is so loaded for brainwashing, the dumb candidate has to fit statements A,B,C,D to answers 1,2,3,4, one statement reads “All fossil fuel power stations produce carbon dioxide which causes…………….” & of course the answer was “Global Warming”! If the candidate isn’t so dumb, & says it is crap they fail their exam, great! Talk about brainwahsing & the Ministry of Information ala 1984.
Be on your guard USA, the rot has well & truly set in the UK & Europe, it may only a matter of time before you too succumb to the insidious malevolence of the enviromental disease that has infected all walks of life here, although the only saving grace is that you don’t have the mountainous state bureaucracy that we have, which has increased by some 650,000 since 1997.
Ron de Haan (23:43:33) :
It is in all our interests to prevent the CO2 LEGISLATION and Climate Taxation in any form.
I think the US is still a democracy with rules, no matter how hard Bush worked to subvert them. Thus there are routes to take to inform legislators of your displeasure in plan for cap and trade and the subsequent large indirect taxation.
It is also in our interest to see which threat Obama represents and get him out of office as soon as possible.
[snip – this is way OT, let us stick to climate cap and trade please – Anthony]
We need to inform people about the climate hoax and clean up our administrative and political institutions.
See above. Are advocating revolution?
Shouldn’t be too difficult!
Obama will push it through. He and Al Gore have chums on the Chicago Carbon Exchange and obviously Gore himself is heavily invested.
After they accomplish the mission of taxing CO2 it will be all greenhouse gases, then it will be water, then it will be every step you take.
“Claude Harvey (00:04:36) :
It should be obvious that the real issue is not and never has been “climate change”. Induced climate change hysteria is simply a means to an end. That end is the heart and soul of the enviro-political movement, which has always been the abandonment of “dirty” fossil (and nuclear) energy sources in favor of “clean” renewables.”
Claude, I disagree. The heart and soul has always been a re-allocation of wealth, period. Any method/means/story line that allows that will be fully supported and repeated until it is “common knowledge”. The people that go along thinking it’s about renewables are more the fools for it.
“Pat:
I don’t quite understand that for both Obama and KRudd to gain power, one of the pre-election promices was squarely directed at CC action.”
Pre-election promises have absolutely nothing to do with what happens when one gets elected. There is no feedback loop…it is indeed an open system, with run away results. In fact, the ONLY thing Obama needed to say to get elected was “I am NOT George Bush…things will be DIFFERENT.”
“Politicians are not to be trusted.”– Okay…now you’re just funnin’, right? 😉
JimB
“Pat:
I don’t quite understand that for both Obama and KRudd to gain power, one of the pre-election promices was squarely directed at CC action.”
Pre-election promises have absolutely nothing to do with what happens when one gets elected. There is no feedback loop…it is indeed an open system, with run away results. In fact, the ONLY thing Obama needed to say to get elected was “I am NOT George Bush…things will be DIFFERENT.”
“Politicians are not to be trusted.”– Okay…now you’re just funnin’, right? ;)”
I realise that, unfortunately, the unwashed, gullible masses don’t.