ASOS (left) AWOS (right) – both at airports click for larger images
People send me stuff. Last night I got an email from reader Andrew Schut that said:
See public information statement below. I’m perplexed.
ASOS was put in for “aviation purposes” given its tolerances, yet we use it for climate purposes, why should AWOS be any different?
Not to mention the sensor that AWOS uses is a Vaisala sensor and at least a decade ahead in terms of sensor technology compared to the prehistoric 1088 RTD thermistor that the NWS has been using since the mid 80’s.
What Andrew was referring to was this unusual public information statement from the National Weather Service in Chicago, nullifying an apparently new low statewide temperature record from Rochelle Illinois:
PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO IL
432 PM CST FRI JAN 16 2009
…REGARDING ROCHELLE`S LOW TEMPERATURE THIS MORNING…
THE AUTOMATED WEATHER OBSERVING SYSTEM (AWOS) AT THE ROCHELLE
AIRPORT RECORDED A TEMPERATURE OF -36F AT 745 AM THIS MORNING.
WHILE THE THERMOMETER ON THE AWOS WAS RE-CALIBRATED YESTERDAY
AND MAY INDEED BE ACCURATE…AWOS OBSERVATIONS ARE NOT QUALITY
CONTROLLED OR CALIBRATED BY THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AND
ARE ALSO NOT DESIGNED FOR CLIMATE PURPOSES.
THEREFORE…THE STATE CLIMATOLOGIST DOES NOT CONSIDER THIS
TEMPERATURE AN OFFICIAL MEASUREMENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF
DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT AN ALL TIME RECORD LOW FOR THE
STATE WAS REACHED. FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING RECORD
TEMPERATURES FOR THE STATE…ONLY ASOS AND
COOPERATIVE OBSERVER OBSERVATIONS WILL BE USED SINCE BOTH OF
THESE OBSERVATIONS ARE QUALITY CONTROLLED BY THE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.
See the original here. Personally, I don’t think airports are a suitable place for ANY climate measurements to be made. Here is why.
Airports are dynamic environments, with changes in air traffic, runway upgrades, new runways, new terminals, more tarmac/access roads, and increased infrastructure in general over time. For the NWS in Chicago to say that one ASOS at one airport is somehow better that an AWOS at another, particularly one calibrated the day before, is simply disingenuous. Throw them both out I say. Airports aren’t “quality controlled” for station siting changes. The claim that ASOS is somehow thus better than AWOS is simply ludicrous. There is no basis for this claim.
Let’s look at some examples of ASOS climate stations and the type of quality control that goes on:
First the issue of encroachment by infrastructure, here’s a new fire station going up next to an ASOS station (which is a USHCN climate station) in Lafayette, LA, I believe the station to the lower right is an older AWOS station:

Click for a larger interactive image
Of course it didn’t always used to be this way, the Google Earth image, which is a bit older, shows the area before the construction started:
Click for a larger interactive image
A call to the LFT airport authority at this contact from their website told me that the contract for the new fire station facility was awarded in July of 2005 and that construction started shortly after that. The new fire station, show being constructed in the top photo is now complete.
Reader Davis Smith writes:
Fifteen miles north of the Lafayette airport is another temperature site named Grand Coteau. It seems reasonable to expect the two to have similar trends (using GISS adjusted data) due to their proximity. A comparison of the two for recent years is here :
Click for larger image
Looks like a divergence circa 2004.
Ok that’s just one example. How about then the issues with the ASOS station in Reno, NV, that the NWS had to move because they didn’t agree with the readings it gave? NOAA uses Reno’s placement problems as an example in a training manual for climate monitoring COOP managers.
See NOAA Professional Competency Unit 6
What was amazing is that the NWS determined that there were significant problems with this USHCN ASOS station placement at the Reno Airport that contributed a significant warming bias to the record.
From that manual:
Reno’s busy urban airport has seen the growth of an urban heat bubble on its north end.
The corresponding graph of mean annual minimum temperature (average of 365 nighttime
minimums each year) has as a consequence been steadily rising. When the new
ASOS sensor was installed, the site was moved to the much cooler south end of the
runway. Nearby records indicate that the two cool post-ASOS years should have been
warmer rather than cooler. When air traffic controllers asked for a location not so close
to nearby trees (for better wind readings), the station was moved back. The first move
was documented, the second was not. The climate record shows both the steady warming
of the site, as well as the big difference in overnight temperature between one end of this
flat and seemingly homogeneous setting, an observation borne out by automobile
traverses around the airport at night.
They were also kind enough to provide a photo essay of their own as well as a graph. You can click the aerial photo to get a Google Earth interactive view of the area.
This is NOAA’s graph showing the changes to the official climate record when they made station moves:

Here is what a surface temperature transect of Reno looks like, I did this one myself:
Click for larger image, note that the airport is in the middle of the UHI bubble.
Russ Steele did a comparison as a guest post here of the data from the Reno ASOS USHCN station to a RAWS station run by the Forest Service a few miles away and writes:
Last year, I found a Remote Automated Weather Station operated by the Forest Service at Desert Springs that is 11.28 miles due north of the Reno Airport, in a remote area well away from urban influences. The annual temperature in desert far from urban influence in 2007 was 52.54 F, which was 2.8 F below the Airport ASOS just eleven miles away. As you can see this site is quite remote.
Desert Springs, click for larger image.
Here is a plot from last year comparing the Desert Springs and Reno ASOS.
But location and encroachments within the airport aren’t the only issues with ASOS, there is the ASOS temperature sensor itself, which has been shown to be inaccurate. There’s the famous HO83 temperature-dewpoint sensor, a product of “lowest bidder” engineering.
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| HO83 ASOS Hygrothermometer
(temperature/dewpoint sensor) |
The HO-83 is know to have a warm bias between 0.5C to 0.7C. as shown here.
The most famous problem occurred in Tucson, AZ in the mid 1980’s where a malfunctioning HO83 unit created dozens of new high temperature records for the city, even though surrounding areas had no such measured extremes. Unfortunately those new high temperature records including the all time high of 117 degrees F, became part of the official climate record and still stand today. Here is a New York Times article that highlights the problem and a research paper from Kessler et al outlining similar problems in Albany New York as well as Tucson.
One of the biggest problems was that the early design of the HO83 allowed exhaust air (warmed by the warm side of Peltier chip) to recirculate from the mushroom shaped cap down the sides of the chamber, and back into the air inlet at the bottom. The problem was solved a few years later by the addition of a metal skirt which deflects the exhaust air.

Unfortunately, even though NOAA has modernization plans in place for the ASOS network, there are still some of the original designs that remain in operation today, such as this USHCN station which is the official climate station of record for New Orleans:
Photo from sufracestations.org volunteer Fred Perkins 8/25/07 click for larger photo.
Thus, the HO83 induced bias first noted in the mid 1980’s continues in the surface temperature record even today.
While only 5% of the USHCN network is ASOS, the biases produced by the HO83 are quite large, and there appears to be no adjustments to remove the bias. Since determining the individual maintenance records and biases of each ASOS station would be a significant task, the simplest solution would be to remove all ASOS stations from the USHCN record set.
But the most damning evidence that ASOS stations are probably lwarmer biased than AWOS stations comes from this internal NOAA technical paper on May 29th, 2001, from Brian Fehrn of the NWS office in Elko, NV who did a year long side by side comparison of an ASOS station being installed just 500 feet away from an AWOS station being decommissioned.
Here, courtesy Russ Steele, is a photo of the Elko ASOS station, which happens also to be a USHCN climate station of record:
Fehrn’s table of monthly data tells the story pretty well:
Figure 1
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Average Temp
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Months
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ASOS
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AWOS
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| September | 57.80 | 55.80 |
| October | 47.61 | 45.60 |
| November | 40.72 | 39.33 |
| December* | 27.06 | 25.94 |
| January | 30.85 | 29.97 |
| February | 36.79 | 35.95 |
| March | 37.68 | 37.27 |
| April | 48.78 | 48.38 |
| May | 54.63 | 53.58 |
| June | 63.87 | 61.72 |
| July** | 69.04 | 66.18 |
| August*** | 69.58 | 67.06 |
**ASOS Data from the 19th are missing
***ASOS Data from the 9th, 10th, 14th, 23rd, and 24th are missing
His conclusion says it all, emphasis mine:
While this study encompasses only a year, the data seem to indicate the uncommissioned ASOS records warmer temperatures than the AWOS. With recent reports and concerns about global warming, it is of note that this comparison of “unofficial” data to the official observations show that instrumentation located only a couple hundred yards apart can give a notable temperature discrepance. It is not the purpose of this study to determine what causes the Elko ASOS to record warmer temperatures than the AWOS. The main message is it appears the ASOS will probably record higher temperature values than the AWOS once the ASOS is commissioned and becomes the official site. This study should prove beneficial to forecasters once the ASOS becomes the official temperature site. Forecasters will be aware of the average temperature discrepancy and, if all other factors remain equal, it is quite possible that Elko may experience a rise in the overall temperature over time when the ASOS is used as the official data for Elko, Nevada.
So when we see public information statements like the one yesterday from the National Weather Service telling us that the ASOS system is more acceptable that an AWOS system calibrated just the day before, I’m quite comfortable in calling BS on that statement.
We shouldn’t measure climate data at airports with aviation instruments, period.
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@ur momisugly MarcH
It’s not only a GISS’ problem, it’s the problem of the whole climate data used by everyone: NOAA, GISS, HadCRU.
Anyway, you can’t blame the GISS’ temperature while, according to Gavin Schmidt himself, just 3/4 equivalent full job is devoted to make it !
@tonawandatom
RTD = Resistance Temperature Detector, made of a determined length of fine resistive metallic coil.
Richard Sharpe (17:51:03) :
More misguided thinking?
A scientist argues that the natural world is bent on self-destruction.
As soon as I got to the part “It needs man to save it…” I lost interest. The planet doesn’t need saving, it’s proven itself over billions of years to survive and adapt. For humanity to survive, it just needs to be less hostile to each other and start working together for its betterment. I know that sounds a bit Star Trek…
tonawandatom:
RTDs operate by a current that passes through a [usually platinum alloy] coil. Resistance is a function of temperature. RTDs have better long term stability than other types of temp sensors, some of which have a hysteresis effect: that is, they don’t always settle down to exactly the same temperature after being warmed.
RTDs are among the most accurate temp sensors. They can easily resolve 0.1 degree. It should be kept in mind that sensors operate on very small voltages/voltage drops, and the calibration of the datalogger [a type of recording voltmeter] is as necessary as the calibration of the sensor itself. If a voltmeter is out of tolerance, obviously the temperature readings will be wrong.
Calibration of RTDs is also easier, and with a 4-wire setup, they are the most accurate temperature sensors available outside of the laboratory. In general, thermocouples and RTDs tend to introduce a bias due to long lead [leed] wires. This can be compensated for by employing a 4 [or sometimes a 3] wire setup that cancels the effect of long connection wires.
This is already getting too technical. Suffice it to say that the government should require an RTD setup, and perform routine periodic calibration traceable back to N.I.S.T.
[sorry to sound so nerdy. It comes from working in a metrology [science of measurement] lab for 3 decades doing temp & humidity calibration. Then I retired and shut off my alarm clock.]
There are all kinds of issues here. What about discarded -36F at Sterling IL AWOS? What about -29F voided all time record low reading at Moline? If you only knew the l truth. Especially about ASOS, AWOS, maintenance and siting issues. Do you really want to go there. Sigh.
One needs to go back and look at the IR satellite images during the times of these minimums. On Thursday, there clearly was a blob of colder air as seen on the IR over this area. I didn’t see Friday morning’s image. I can’t find a good archive of the IR imagery at this point. If we can produce an IR image that shows this pocket of colder air than maybe someone can challenge the state climatologist’s findings.
Oh well, such tough luck that Illinois wont have their record low. Let’s for the moment have a look at other records and draw a US national (weather) conclusion from that.
http://g.imageshack.us/img131/usmaxminfi1.jpg
Looking at Rutgers, http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_daily.php?ui_year=2009&ui_day=17&ui_set=2 the more than normal (blue) has rapidly changed to less than normal snow (red) in the US, suggesting that the temperatures are not collaborating with the global cooling seers. Inconvenient truth one might get the impression.
REPLY: You totally missed the point of this article. It is about equipment, station siting issues, and misguided confidence in the ASOS system, not about the weather patterns, nor the number of record highs versus lows nationwide. Your comment is thus rather pointless in the context of the discussion. – Anthony
Sorry, posted a dead link. Here the correct US temps records
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8192/usmaxminrb7.jpg
I live about 100 miles north of Rochelle.
I regularly view the informal readings from Weather Underground personal weather stations in my area.
Generally the rural staions near me are within a few degrees of one another.
During the recent extrreme cold when Rochelle recorded its cold temperature there was very large variation among the stations. The morning that Rochelle recorded its low, the station located two miles SE of me recorded -34, that located 1.5 miles south recorded -21, that 1.5 mile to the NW recorded -17 and that located 5 miles N recorded -11. Five miles east, a friend reported -30.
The variation appeared to be the result of local topography (I would describe my surroundings as “rolling hills” with differences of only a couple of hundred feet in altitude among the stations. However the -34 reading was in a river valley, and the -11 atop a multi-story building,
There was no recorded wind and I think the air striated, leading to the wide variation in readings. At my own house halfway up a hill my (uncalibrated) reading was -24,, about 1000 feet away at the bottom of my hill the reading on my uncalibrated digital car thermometer was -28 with it visibly recording the drop as one descended and then visibly rising as one drove up the next hill.
Looking at Google for the Rochelle Airport, the general surrounding terrain is flat, with the airport lying in the crotch of a “Y” between the Kye River and Stawberry Creek. A very large paved area, much larger than the airport, and two or three ponds a mile to the NW of the airport might at night create some thermal movement of air.
Slightly OT: but, more official temperatures were “adjusted.” Is it 1984 yet?
From NWS’ Climate Prediction Center:
” Note: The degree days computed for Jan 12 to April 26 (2008) were erroneous due to corrupted temperature grids. The data was re-run and the correct values are now in the archives.
Note: The daily station normals from the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) have been corrected.
Note: The archives have been corrected (on June 28, 2003) for Heating Degree Days back to July 2002 and for Cooling Degree Days back to January 2003″
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/cdus/degree_days/
Roger E. Sowell
Marina del Rey, California
Reading Gilbert’s and EM Smith’s accounts above, it seems there is barely such a thing as a reliable local weather record being taken even now, let alone a reliable global temperature, let alone a reliable global temperature to 1850…
TonyB
Um…these Vaisala-produced detectors are RTD and/or thermistor? I remember that during my web search about Czech GHCN stations there was in the descriptions of some of the stations maintained by Czech Hydrometeorological Institute a mention saying ” just equipped by a new Vaisala 5(?) sensors…
Today’s U.S. highs: click
Where is the evidence of this “soul” you speak of?
The AGW community is increasingly afraid of the looming reality: they were wrong.
Hansen is weasling more, Gore is silent except for fund raising, Schidt is flinging gibberish in defense of AGW, and the climate simply is not responding to any of their pleas or prayers.
We will see, as temps continue to decline to respond as predicted, more of this sort of mealy mouthed hedging.
Sekerob (06:00:15) :
Oh well, such tough luck that Illinois wont have their record low.
Still waiting for you to tell us why the IARC-JAXA sea ice extent data can be dismissed so readily by you and why Nansen’s is so good? Nansen data still not updated since 11th January. Seeing you evaded the question on a previous thread.
Smokey. Those temperatures are observations at 05h00 UK time. That would put things between about 21h00 and 00h30 depending on the location of a weather station in North America (neither minima nor maxima, but closer to the former).
There’s a pretty good basic discussions of Platinum RTDs at the Omega Engineering site. I used to calibrate lots of those during my nuclear power plant days. I’d like to note that while RTDs are very stable and reliable, they are not linear. For truly accurate measurements, one needs to either limit the range, or curve fit the data. The Callendar-Van Dusen equation used to be used to do that, but from reading the Omega Engineering article, apparently now a twentieth-order polynomial is the standard. (I used to know all that stuff…)
Even though Platinum RTDs can be used down to -200F, it occurred to me that -50 degrees F might be out of the linear range of the electronics used to linearize the output.
I had another thought on the alleged “calibration” that was done. Almost certainly the technician didn’t perform an end-to-end calibration where the sensor was immersed in various fluids of known temperatures and the readout at the end device recorded; To do so (s)he would have had to use liquid CO2 or something to cover the cold end of the range, and a water bath for the other temperatures of interest. I really doubt this was done.
Most likely (s)he disconnect the RTD, and used an RTD Simulator to verify the electronic portion of the system. If (s)he was consciensious, the RTD itself would have been removed to a cal-lab and tested on the bench over the expected temperature range. I doubt this last happened, since it’s common to just ass*ume that the sensor meets specifications and hasn’t drifted.
In the nuclear industry, we did a five-point calibration of the sensor in the cal lab, and used an RTD simulator to check the rest of the circuitry. When the two were hooked up in service, we simply did an ambient check, and that was it.
The problem with checking the sensor separately from the electronics is that one can never completely rule out errors due to the added lead length of the test equipment, and the subtracted lead length of the sensor. If I were calibrating this system, I would use the RTD simulator as described, but finish up by doing a single point calibration at ambient temperature with a traceable thermometer to make absolutely sure.
Maybe all this is overkill, since installation errors no doubt swamp calibration errors in this equipment.
A good process is the one we IT/Computer Guys/Programmers use everyday.
We when wake up in the morning, we know (if programmed correctly) computers are really only good at and we can rely on them for one thing: They can answer yes or no real fast.
Since we know the computer is capable of answering yes or no (if programmed correctly), we can program the questions we know the answer is yes and we can program the questions we know the answer is no.
So if we don’t know the question and the answer already, the answer yes or no is meaningless.
Hence, if we don’t know what the time, place, and temp reading (all numbers) already, the computer will give an uncertain answer to the yes or no question:
Was the temperature(x) at this time(y) and place(z)? Yes or no?
If we don’t know what x, y, or z is already, we get an unreliable answer.
If we already know what x, y, and z is we can program the computer to say yes.
If we start answering questions based on an x, y or z that we have not programmed yes correctly to, the answer could be wrong.
Changing the temp(x), time (y) or place (z) at a later date introduces error. That’s the gist of it. Whomever is monkeying with any of these numbers after the fact has some explaining to do.
Andrew ♫
I believe the Rockford, Illinois Airport which is about 20 air miles from Rochelle recorded a temp of -27. I live in Rockford.
So it is possible that the Rochelle temp is in error. I don’t know what kind of instrument Rockford uses.
As they say in radio, I’m a long-time listener and a first-time caller. Since my name came up in the discussion, as state climatologist, let me clarify a few things. First of all, I agree in principal with Anthony about using airport sites for climate observations. However, in Illinois I would have higher overall confidence in ASOS than AWOS (based on past experience – it’s too long a story for this post).
I think Gilberte did a good job summarizing the situation at Rochelle. Let me provide a little more background as well. BTW, the -36F would have tied the state record, not set it as suggested at the top of the original post.
The Rochelle AWOS actually reported a -37F Thursday morning (Jan 15). However, this reading was not supported by nearby observations. For example, the nearby Rochelle coop site reported -28F. Furthermore, Rochelle is in very flat country so cold-air drainage probably would not explain such a large departure. After discussing the situation with the airport manager, he volunteered to contact the vendor to send out a tech. They responded very quickly and found the instrument to be 14 degrees off.
The next morning, Rochelle reported -36F (Jan. 16). The nearby coop site reports -25F. A check with other nearby sites available through weather underground and elsewhere had readings “only” in the -24 to -28F range. While the sensor at Rochelle was recalibrated, it doesn’t mean it stayed that way (maybe it should have been replaced – I have no control over those decisions). BTW,
So if you were in my shoes, how would you call this? An AWOS site, a possible flaky temperature sensor, no likelihood of exceptional cold-air drainage, and little support from the nearby Rochelle coop site or other surrounding readings.
Jim Angel
Hi Jim,
Thanks for the note, your response is truly appreciated. I do understand your position, and I’m glad that we are in agreement about airports. I have some ideas which may not have been considered. I’ll write them up and present them here in a new post.
Can you tell me what the prevailing wind direction was that night, or was it calm?
Anthony
Getting back to the original point of the story about unreliable temperature sensors and the possible updrift in temps from construction or development near the sensor sites, this discussion perfectly exemplifies the confusion lay people (including me) have in trying to understand global warming/climate change. The parable of the three blind men and the elephant seems particularly apt.
I do not understand the science at all, and I wonder if anyone sees the real, “big picture”. Likewise, there seems a veratible cornucopia of think tanks, research groups, institutes, NGOs, etc. etc. with “proof” the climate is warming or cooling.
Now, normally, scientific debates have little relevence or meaning to the average joe. The recent downgrading of Pluto is a great example. But with global climate change, our wise political leaders have taken the bull by the tail and really stuck their collective heads in deep, at a cost of trillions of taxpayer dollars and euros and pounds.
So, who does the average joe trust? Do we trust a grant-funded “Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change” to report than that there isn’t a climate change problem? Seriously?
Or movie stars? or ex-vice presidents?
Sorry to ramble on. I got here following links from a news story on global cooling in the last 10 years oe so.
Your average joe
Austin, Texas
Here they are:
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KRPJ/2009/1/16/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Rochelle&req_state=IL&req_statename=Illinois
Whoops, let’s try that again. Full METARs from KRPJ, Rochelle Koritz Field:
METAR KRPJ 161145Z AUTO 18003KT 10SM CLR M36/M40 A3069 RMK AO2 T13561396 11316 21363
6:25 AM -30.5 °F -37.3 °F 70% 30.68 in 10.0 miles Calm Calm – N/A Clear
METAR KRPJ 161225Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR M35/M38 A3068 RMK AO2 T13471385
6:45 AM -28.5 °F -35.1 °F 70% 30.68 in 10.0 miles Calm Calm – N/A Clear
METAR KRPJ 161245Z AUTO 00000KT 10SM CLR M34/M37 A3068 RMK AO2 T13361373
7:05 AM -32.3 °F -39.5 °F 68% 30.67 in 10.0 miles South 3.5 mph – N/A Clear
METAR KRPJ 161305Z AUTO 17003KT 10SM CLR M36/M40 A3067 RMK AO2 T13571397
7:25 AM -34.6 °F -41.6 °F 68% 30.67 in 10.0 miles SSW 3.5 mph – N/A Clear
METAR KRPJ 161325Z AUTO 20003KT 10SM CLR M37/M41 A3067 RMK AO2 T13701409
7:45 AM -36.0 °F -43.2 °F 67% 30.67 in 10.0 miles SSW 3.5 mph – N/A Clear
METAR KRPJ 161345Z AUTO 21003KT 10SM CLR M38/M42 A3067 RMK AO2 T13781418
8:05 AM -33.5 °F -41.3 °F 66% 30.68 in 10.0 miles South 3.5 mph – N/A Clear
METAR KRPJ 161405Z AUTO 18003KT 10SM CLR M36/M41 A3068 RMK AO2 T13641407
8:25 AM -32.3 °F -39.6 °F 67% 30.68 in 10.0 miles SSW 3.5 mph – N/A Clear
METAR KRPJ 161425Z AUTO 21003KT 10SM CLR M36/M40 A3068 RMK AO2 T13571398
9:05 AM -31.5 °F -38.9 °F 67% 30.70 in 10.0 miles SW 5.8 mph – N/A Clear
METAR KRPJ 161505Z AUTO 23005KT 10SM CLR M35/M39 A3070 RMK AO2 T13531394