ASOS (left) AWOS (right) – both at airports click for larger images
People send me stuff. Last night I got an email from reader Andrew Schut that said:
See public information statement below. I’m perplexed.
ASOS was put in for “aviation purposes” given its tolerances, yet we use it for climate purposes, why should AWOS be any different?
Not to mention the sensor that AWOS uses is a Vaisala sensor and at least a decade ahead in terms of sensor technology compared to the prehistoric 1088 RTD thermistor that the NWS has been using since the mid 80’s.
What Andrew was referring to was this unusual public information statement from the National Weather Service in Chicago, nullifying an apparently new low statewide temperature record from Rochelle Illinois:
PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO IL
432 PM CST FRI JAN 16 2009
…REGARDING ROCHELLE`S LOW TEMPERATURE THIS MORNING…
THE AUTOMATED WEATHER OBSERVING SYSTEM (AWOS) AT THE ROCHELLE
AIRPORT RECORDED A TEMPERATURE OF -36F AT 745 AM THIS MORNING.
WHILE THE THERMOMETER ON THE AWOS WAS RE-CALIBRATED YESTERDAY
AND MAY INDEED BE ACCURATE…AWOS OBSERVATIONS ARE NOT QUALITY
CONTROLLED OR CALIBRATED BY THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AND
ARE ALSO NOT DESIGNED FOR CLIMATE PURPOSES.
THEREFORE…THE STATE CLIMATOLOGIST DOES NOT CONSIDER THIS
TEMPERATURE AN OFFICIAL MEASUREMENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF
DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT AN ALL TIME RECORD LOW FOR THE
STATE WAS REACHED. FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING RECORD
TEMPERATURES FOR THE STATE…ONLY ASOS AND
COOPERATIVE OBSERVER OBSERVATIONS WILL BE USED SINCE BOTH OF
THESE OBSERVATIONS ARE QUALITY CONTROLLED BY THE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.
See the original here. Personally, I don’t think airports are a suitable place for ANY climate measurements to be made. Here is why.
Airports are dynamic environments, with changes in air traffic, runway upgrades, new runways, new terminals, more tarmac/access roads, and increased infrastructure in general over time. For the NWS in Chicago to say that one ASOS at one airport is somehow better that an AWOS at another, particularly one calibrated the day before, is simply disingenuous. Throw them both out I say. Airports aren’t “quality controlled” for station siting changes. The claim that ASOS is somehow thus better than AWOS is simply ludicrous. There is no basis for this claim.
Let’s look at some examples of ASOS climate stations and the type of quality control that goes on:
First the issue of encroachment by infrastructure, here’s a new fire station going up next to an ASOS station (which is a USHCN climate station) in Lafayette, LA, I believe the station to the lower right is an older AWOS station:

Click for a larger interactive image
Of course it didn’t always used to be this way, the Google Earth image, which is a bit older, shows the area before the construction started:
Click for a larger interactive image
A call to the LFT airport authority at this contact from their website told me that the contract for the new fire station facility was awarded in July of 2005 and that construction started shortly after that. The new fire station, show being constructed in the top photo is now complete.
Reader Davis Smith writes:
Fifteen miles north of the Lafayette airport is another temperature site named Grand Coteau. It seems reasonable to expect the two to have similar trends (using GISS adjusted data) due to their proximity. A comparison of the two for recent years is here :
Click for larger image
Looks like a divergence circa 2004.
Ok that’s just one example. How about then the issues with the ASOS station in Reno, NV, that the NWS had to move because they didn’t agree with the readings it gave? NOAA uses Reno’s placement problems as an example in a training manual for climate monitoring COOP managers.
See NOAA Professional Competency Unit 6
What was amazing is that the NWS determined that there were significant problems with this USHCN ASOS station placement at the Reno Airport that contributed a significant warming bias to the record.
From that manual:
Reno’s busy urban airport has seen the growth of an urban heat bubble on its north end.
The corresponding graph of mean annual minimum temperature (average of 365 nighttime
minimums each year) has as a consequence been steadily rising. When the new
ASOS sensor was installed, the site was moved to the much cooler south end of the
runway. Nearby records indicate that the two cool post-ASOS years should have been
warmer rather than cooler. When air traffic controllers asked for a location not so close
to nearby trees (for better wind readings), the station was moved back. The first move
was documented, the second was not. The climate record shows both the steady warming
of the site, as well as the big difference in overnight temperature between one end of this
flat and seemingly homogeneous setting, an observation borne out by automobile
traverses around the airport at night.
They were also kind enough to provide a photo essay of their own as well as a graph. You can click the aerial photo to get a Google Earth interactive view of the area.
This is NOAA’s graph showing the changes to the official climate record when they made station moves:

Here is what a surface temperature transect of Reno looks like, I did this one myself:
Click for larger image, note that the airport is in the middle of the UHI bubble.
Russ Steele did a comparison as a guest post here of the data from the Reno ASOS USHCN station to a RAWS station run by the Forest Service a few miles away and writes:
Last year, I found a Remote Automated Weather Station operated by the Forest Service at Desert Springs that is 11.28 miles due north of the Reno Airport, in a remote area well away from urban influences. The annual temperature in desert far from urban influence in 2007 was 52.54 F, which was 2.8 F below the Airport ASOS just eleven miles away. As you can see this site is quite remote.
Desert Springs, click for larger image.
Here is a plot from last year comparing the Desert Springs and Reno ASOS.
But location and encroachments within the airport aren’t the only issues with ASOS, there is the ASOS temperature sensor itself, which has been shown to be inaccurate. There’s the famous HO83 temperature-dewpoint sensor, a product of “lowest bidder” engineering.
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| HO83 ASOS Hygrothermometer
(temperature/dewpoint sensor) |
The HO-83 is know to have a warm bias between 0.5C to 0.7C. as shown here.
The most famous problem occurred in Tucson, AZ in the mid 1980’s where a malfunctioning HO83 unit created dozens of new high temperature records for the city, even though surrounding areas had no such measured extremes. Unfortunately those new high temperature records including the all time high of 117 degrees F, became part of the official climate record and still stand today. Here is a New York Times article that highlights the problem and a research paper from Kessler et al outlining similar problems in Albany New York as well as Tucson.
One of the biggest problems was that the early design of the HO83 allowed exhaust air (warmed by the warm side of Peltier chip) to recirculate from the mushroom shaped cap down the sides of the chamber, and back into the air inlet at the bottom. The problem was solved a few years later by the addition of a metal skirt which deflects the exhaust air.

Unfortunately, even though NOAA has modernization plans in place for the ASOS network, there are still some of the original designs that remain in operation today, such as this USHCN station which is the official climate station of record for New Orleans:
Photo from sufracestations.org volunteer Fred Perkins 8/25/07 click for larger photo.
Thus, the HO83 induced bias first noted in the mid 1980’s continues in the surface temperature record even today.
While only 5% of the USHCN network is ASOS, the biases produced by the HO83 are quite large, and there appears to be no adjustments to remove the bias. Since determining the individual maintenance records and biases of each ASOS station would be a significant task, the simplest solution would be to remove all ASOS stations from the USHCN record set.
But the most damning evidence that ASOS stations are probably lwarmer biased than AWOS stations comes from this internal NOAA technical paper on May 29th, 2001, from Brian Fehrn of the NWS office in Elko, NV who did a year long side by side comparison of an ASOS station being installed just 500 feet away from an AWOS station being decommissioned.
Here, courtesy Russ Steele, is a photo of the Elko ASOS station, which happens also to be a USHCN climate station of record:
Fehrn’s table of monthly data tells the story pretty well:
Figure 1
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Average Temp
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Months
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ASOS
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AWOS
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| September | 57.80 | 55.80 |
| October | 47.61 | 45.60 |
| November | 40.72 | 39.33 |
| December* | 27.06 | 25.94 |
| January | 30.85 | 29.97 |
| February | 36.79 | 35.95 |
| March | 37.68 | 37.27 |
| April | 48.78 | 48.38 |
| May | 54.63 | 53.58 |
| June | 63.87 | 61.72 |
| July** | 69.04 | 66.18 |
| August*** | 69.58 | 67.06 |
**ASOS Data from the 19th are missing
***ASOS Data from the 9th, 10th, 14th, 23rd, and 24th are missing
His conclusion says it all, emphasis mine:
While this study encompasses only a year, the data seem to indicate the uncommissioned ASOS records warmer temperatures than the AWOS. With recent reports and concerns about global warming, it is of note that this comparison of “unofficial” data to the official observations show that instrumentation located only a couple hundred yards apart can give a notable temperature discrepance. It is not the purpose of this study to determine what causes the Elko ASOS to record warmer temperatures than the AWOS. The main message is it appears the ASOS will probably record higher temperature values than the AWOS once the ASOS is commissioned and becomes the official site. This study should prove beneficial to forecasters once the ASOS becomes the official temperature site. Forecasters will be aware of the average temperature discrepancy and, if all other factors remain equal, it is quite possible that Elko may experience a rise in the overall temperature over time when the ASOS is used as the official data for Elko, Nevada.
So when we see public information statements like the one yesterday from the National Weather Service telling us that the ASOS system is more acceptable that an AWOS system calibrated just the day before, I’m quite comfortable in calling BS on that statement.
We shouldn’t measure climate data at airports with aviation instruments, period.
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“FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING RECORD
TEMPERATURES FOR THE STATE…ONLY ASOS AND
COOPERATIVE OBSERVER OBSERVATIONS WILL BE USED SINCE BOTH OF
THESE OBSERVATIONS ARE QUALITY CONTROLLED BY THE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.”
An ironic LOL! Wouldn’t “quality control” include removing BBQs that are adjacent to the measuring instruments? Remember that the National Weather Service is a gov’t agency. Therefore, you can’t trust anything they do.
I totally and completely agree with you on this Anthony!
Thanks for an incredibly detailed report. It is another ‘hall-of-fame’ post on your blog.
~Michael
http://www.cookevilleweatherguy.com
Another amazing article.
Calibrated yesterday, and still discredited. There’ll come a time when these guys can’t sleep at night.
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Wouldn’t UHI bias the temperature in the warm direction?
So a low recording could only be warmer than recorded, not colder.
So if a record cold temp is recorded with UHI influence, then dang!
It’s really cold!
Old temperature sensors never die, they just get re-circulated to more recently failed sensor sites. Working or not, that’s the way things are done in that business.
Seen it happen.
Umm, does this mean that there is now “denier” technology that must also be silenced? I’d guess the poor thing is destined to suffer remediation by the torture robot from Star Wars for showing a record low at such an inopportune time and place…
Somehow I get the feeling that if it were a record warm temp it wouldn’t be questioned
REPLY: I thought the same thing, and went looking for an instance where this stations was cited for a record high. Haven’t found one yet, but maybe readers here can expand the search. – Anthony
Amazing that anyone would lie like this, saying that a weather station calibrated within 24 hours would be so out of whack that they couldn’t rely on it.
Sort of insulting to the person who did the calibration. Doesn’t the person in charge trust his own employees? Does he think they’re drunks? Incompetents?
Many who think Global Warming is a fraud are convinced when people involved hide from reality. Worse, such statements destroy trust. And, it has a destructive threat on the souls of people who perpetrate the fraud, compounding the injury to their own souls by more and more fraud, deception, and misstatement.
Theologically, I guess Global Warming is a way to separate sheep from goats.
Well, I can not resist.
I have been in the business of temperature measurement for over 30 years.
I have consulted with the then National Bureau of Standards on some of their test rigs for calibration of high temperature pyrometers.
What I could gather from the post is that the ASOS has an RTD for a sensor whilst the AWOS has sorme sort of thermistor or other solid state contrivance.
Regarding the contention that the sensor from one is superior to another, I suspect there is some misinformation floating about. Many times journalist types, bureaucrats, and even scientists are awfully confused about the difference between a sensing element and the electronics that make said sensing element readable. That being said, I will state flatly that in almost every case an RTD is superior to a thermistor. Now before I have to duck I must qualify that. What I suspect is going on is that the word “sensor” in this case means the sensing element and the electronics which read it. RTDs are remarkably linear, stable, and robust. Thermistors are a bit more fraigle and have been notoriously drifty even though they give better resolution. Thermistors are for the most part nonlinear. They are cheap which is their prime attraction. You will find in the real world that when a temperature must be recorded accurately that RTDs are almost universally used. An example I am familier with is the Pharmaceutical industry where RTDs are used almost exclusively and calibration cycles are monthly or at most every 90 days.
Now with regard to the on going controversy about the alphabet soup I have no doubt that the electronics of the more modern sensor package is superior to that with the ASOS. What I would wonder is what are the calibration intervals for each and is the procedure a good one that can be consistently be performed. I also wonder since the ASOS is reputed to have a warm bias about the mechanical configuration and are they running it with a constant current which can contribute to the phenomena known as self heating. If it were my money, I would be using a clad RTD with potted in lead wires to prevent corrosion with a good mechanical mounting which would eliminate any temperature bias due to mounting. I would also be using a modern wireless transmitter and calibrate the whole bit every 90 days. But maybe that is just me.
How does anyone think we can get a handle on the climate change debate when there are so many problems with the data collected? One doubts everything we are told.
Let’s see…we KICK OUT anything resembling a record of low temperature…but accept ALL of the readings that are recorded as high temperature records…then, we call it ‘CASTASTROPHIC’ AGW….
Sounds like an agenda to me!… 🙂
I can see why they did not like the -36 temperature, the other stations in the area with similar wind conditions and directions were reading -25. I do not know how much variation is normal in these types of readings from place to place in that part of Illinois. Where I live 10 degrees between stations would not be unusual in certain types of weather conditions, but then I do live near the ocean.
The problems associated with analyzing and comparing old and new weather data to prove global warming theory reminds me of self-proclaimed scientists who analyze the bible to prove creation theory. In both instances you start out with flawed data, but because you use methods of scientific inquiry you end thinking you have discovered something of value. All you really have done is once again demonstrate the principle of Garbage In, Garbage Out.
Well perhaps we should rely on satellite data . No!!! That’s a silly idea since UAH and RSS don’t show warming of any significance in the lower troposhere since 1980 so they must be wrong!!!
Steve in SC,
Excellent comments. The news media makes plenty of assumptions about this issue, but most reporters don’t know the difference between a platinum RTD, a thermistor, a thermocouple, and a thermometer.
When measuring temps to a resolution of 0.1 deg C or F, a PRTD is the way to go; thermistors and thermocouples have more accuracy problems than RTDs at this resolution. There is much more to accurately measuring temperature [such as avoiding hysteresis] than is generally assumed.
To get an idea of what’s involved, the N.I.S.T. [the successor to the National Bureau of Standards] engineering statistics handbook outlines some of the metrology concerns in temperature calibration.
It is possible to record consistent, accurate and reliable temperature measurements. The proper setup would cost more than a Stevenson screen. But with ~$5 billion per year funneled into global warming studies, maybe some of those funds could be diverted to a program that would provide accurate temperature measurements — something that the surface station network currently lacks.
Steve in SC;
Ya know sumpin? You just explained a whole lot of technology in a very short time and did it well.
Good Goin!!
Mike
For those who might be interested, Joe Bastardi does a fairly detailed examination of the Rochelle record low controversy on his accuweather pro site.
This really smacks of politics, which has no place in science.
If you agree, I have 2 links for you :
http://www.isws.illinois.edu/atmos/statecli/index.htm
This is the Illinois State Climatologist office.
jimangel@illinois.edu
This is the email for the state climatologist. I would suggest all who agree with Anthony to send a courteous note & link to this page. Maybe they will change their minds .
Interestingly enough, even if this isn’t accepted as a new state record for the state, the old state record was set on Jan 5, 1999 – only 10 years ago – see the web link above.
The second paragraph after the long NWS quote atop this thread contains a typo, I think. Shouldn’t “a basis” be “no basis” in the following?
“There is a basis for this claim.”
REPLY: That was what I meant, fixed, thanks. Anthony
Odd the data collection errors seem always to point in one direction. ya Know, It’s as if there may be a preordained conclusion they are working towards.
This whole temperature measurement plot line follows GIGO to a “T”.
Feeling the Heat, Global Warming and Rising Temperatures in the United States
was published by Environment California a non-profit group in October 2008, claiming 2007 was the tenth warmest year on record and that the mountain west was experiencing above-average temperatures. Copy of the report here.
From the Methods section of that report:
We looked at data from 255 major weather stations. We generated this list of 255 stations from a list of “First Order” stations in the continental United States, obtained from Weather 2000,62 a meteorological consulting firm.
The “First Order” data was taken from National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) of the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration’s DS-3210 data set. Which is automated ASOS data taken from civilian airports and military air bases. According to the data set description there is very little auditing done on the data, mostly by computer, to insure the data fits in an established template. It is considered more accurate that human recorded data according to NCDC.
Wally:
In extremely cold weather conditions large differences between nearby sites is quite normal. The coldest air is usually a quite shallow inversion layer which is heavy and flows and collects in low places almost like a liquid. A distance of a kilometer or two and a few tens of meters in altitude can easily mean a difference of 5 degrees centigrade (= 10 F). In swedish there is even a special word for such places: “köldhål” (“cold-hole”).
“Not to mention the sensor that AWOS uses is a Vaisala sensor and at least a decade ahead in terms of sensor technology compared to the prehistoric 1088 RTD thermistor that the NWS has been using since the mid 80’s.”
Vaisala is a company name not a type of sensor. Most likely a platinum RTD .
A therminstor is a totally different technology.
To accuarately measure air temps I would go with the RTD.
“”””””””The most famous problem occurred in Tucson, AZ in the mid 1980’s where a malfunctioning HO83 unit created dozens of new high temperature records for the city, even though surrounding areas had no such measured extremes. Unfortunately those new high temperature records including the all time high of 117 degrees F, became part of the official climate record and still stand today””””””””
“”””Mike C (13:50:59) :
Somehow I get the feeling that if it were a record warm temp it wouldn’t be questioned
REPLY: I thought the same thing, and went looking for an instance where this stations was cited for a record high. Haven’t found one yet, but maybe readers here can expand the search. – Anthony”””””
The Biases are not the equipment but the upper politics pushing this illogical warming ……..
we can have burn barrels, barbecues , AC exhaust , jet engine exhaust, roof mount,
parking lot asphalt, weed mats, red wood chips, no paint on screens, 2ft snow on top of screen this list goes on and on and on ,,, but forbid we use a newly calibrated AWOS that shows Artic air mass that makes it into Illinois
this air mass was -40 -50F just days before the reading reported!!!!!!!
This contrived disingenuous, is going to come back onto these people in a very bad way.
Anthony, “Pineapple express” is what is pushing Alaska cold air mass down the east side of the Rocky mtn. I have not heard that term in a long while.
Is it indeed a weather term?
and last … Here the road side snow banks are at 4 to 6 FEET high and the road commission will need to get out the ” WING” plows to cut down-move over the tops of the banks so that the front plow and grader can dump-slide the snow. 40 years ago we saw them out every year. maybe then only 2 times in the last 30years.
I under stand cooling is not necessarily responsible for the large amounts of snow, BUT given heat latency of forming ice There is a whole lot of heat going some where to freeze this volume!!!!!!!
Thank You for an honest forum !!!!!!
Not a speck nore a spot But a
tiny Tim!