Shocker: Huffington Post carries climate realist essay

Congratulations to Harold Ambler, who frequents here in comments, for breaking the climate “glass ceiling” at HuffPo. This essay is something I thought I’d never see there. Next stop: Daily Kos? – Anthony


By Harold Ambler on The Huffington Post

Posted January 3, 2009 | 11:36 AM (EST

You are probably wondering whether President-elect Obama owes the world an apology for his actions regarding global warming. The answer is, not yet. There is one person, however, who does. You have probably guessed his name: Al Gore.

Mr. Gore has stated, regarding climate change, that “the science is in.” Well, he is absolutely right about that, except for one tiny thing. It is the biggest whopper ever sold to the public in the history of humankind.

What is wrong with the statement? A brief list:

1. First, the expression “climate change” itself is a redundancy, and contains a lie. Climate has always changed, and always will. There has been no stable period of climate during the Holocene, our own climatic era, which began with the end of the last ice age 12,000 years ago. During the Holocene there have been numerous sub-periods with dramatically varied climate, such as the warm Holocene Optimum (7,000 B.C. to 3,000 B.C., during which humanity began to flourish, and advance technologically), the warm Roman Optimum (200 B.C. to 400 A.D., a time of abundant crops that promoted the empire), the cold Dark Ages (400 A.D. to 900 A.D., during which the Nile River froze, major cities were abandoned, the Roman Empire fell apart, and pestilence and famine were widespread), the Medieval Warm Period (900 A.D. to 1300 A.D., during which agriculture flourished, wealth increased, and dozens of lavish examples of Gothic architecture were created), the Little Ice Age (1300 to 1850, during much of which plague, crop failures, witch burnings, food riots — and even revolutions, including the French Revolution — were the rule of thumb), followed by our own time of relative warmth (1850 to present, during which population has increased, technology and medical advances have been astonishing, and agriculture has flourished).

So, no one needs to say the words “climate” and “change” in the same breath — it is assumed, by anyone with any level of knowledge, that climate changes. That is the redundancy to which I alluded. The lie is the suggestion that climate has ever been stable. Mr. Gore has used a famously inaccurate graph, known as the “Mann Hockey Stick,” created by the scientist Michael Mann, showing that the modern rise in temperatures is unprecedented, and that the dramatic changes in climate just described did not take place. They did. One last thought on the expression “climate change”: It is a retreat from the earlier expression used by alarmists, “manmade global warming,” which was more easily debunked. There are people in Mr. Gore’s camp who now use instances of cold temperatures to prove the existence of “climate change,” which is absurd, obscene, even.

2. Mr. Gore has gone so far to discourage debate on climate as to refer to those who question his simplistic view of the atmosphere as “flat-Earthers.” This, too, is right on target, except for one tiny detail. It is exactly the opposite of the truth.

Indeed, it is Mr. Gore and his brethren who are flat-Earthers. Mr. Gore states, ad nauseum, that carbon dioxide rules climate in frightening and unpredictable, and new, ways. When he shows the hockey stick graph of temperature and plots it against reconstructed C02 levels in An Inconvenient Truth, he says that the two clearly have an obvious correlation. “Their relationship is actually very complicated,” he says, “but there is one relationship that is far more powerful than all the others, and it is this: When there is more carbon dioxide, the temperature gets warmer.” The word “complicated” here is among the most significant Mr. Gore has uttered on the subject of climate and is, at best, a deliberate act of obfuscation. Why? Because it turns out that there is an 800-year lag between temperature and carbon dioxide, unlike the sense conveyed by Mr. Gore’s graph. You are probably wondering by now — and if you are not, you should be — which rises first, carbon dioxide or temperature. The answer? Temperature. In every case, the ice-core data shows that temperature rises precede rises in carbon dioxide by, on average, 800 years. In fact, the relationship is not “complicated.” When the ocean-atmosphere system warms, the oceans discharge vast quantities of carbon dioxide in a process known as de-gassing. For this reason, warm and cold years show up on the Mauna Loa C02 measurements even in the short term. For instance, the post-Pinatubo-eruption year of 1993 shows the lowest C02 increase since measurements have been kept. When did the highest C02 increase take place? During the super El Niño year of 1998.

3. What the alarmists now state is that past episodes of warming were not caused by C02 but amplified by it, which is debatable, for many reasons, but, more important, is a far cry from the version of events sold to the public by Mr. Gore.

Meanwhile, the theory that carbon dioxide “drives” climate in any meaningful way is simply wrong and, again, evidence of a “flat-Earth” mentality. Carbon dioxide cannot absorb an unlimited amount of infrared radiation. Why not? Because it only absorbs heat along limited bandwidths, and is already absorbing just about everything it can. That is why plotted on a graph, C02’s ability to capture heat follows a logarithmic curve. We are already very near the maximum absorption level. Further, the IPCC Fourth Assessment, like all the ones before it, is based on computer models that presume a positive feedback of atmospheric warming via increased water vapor.

4. This mechanism has never been shown to exist. Indeed, increased temperature leads to increased evaporation of the oceans, which leads to increased cloud cover (one cooling effect) and increased precipitation (a bigger cooling effect). Within certain bounds, in other words, the ocean-atmosphere system has a very effective self-regulating tendency. By the way, water vapor is far more prevalent, and relevant, in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide — a trace gas. Water vapor’s absorption spectrum also overlays that of carbon dioxide. They cannot both absorb the same energy! The relative might of water vapor and relative weakness of carbon dioxide is exemplified by the extraordinary cooling experienced each night in desert regions, where water in the atmosphere is nearly non-existent.

If not carbon dioxide, what does “drive” climate? I am glad you are wondering about that. In the short term, it is ocean cycles, principally the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the “super cycle” of which cooling La Niñas and warming El Niños are parts. Having been in its warm phase, in which El Niños predominate, for the 30 years ending in late 2006, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation switched to its cool phase, in which La Niñas predominate.

Since that time, already, a number of interesting things have taken place. One La Niña lowered temperatures around the globe for about half of the year just ended, and another La Niña shows evidence of beginning in the equatorial Pacific waters. During the last twelve months, many interesting cold-weather events happened to occur: record snow in the European Alps, China, New Zealand, Australia, Brazil, the Pacific Northwest, Alaska, the Rockies, the upper Midwest, Las Vegas, Houston, and New Orleans. There was also, for the first time in at least 100 years, snow in Baghdad.

Concurrent with the switchover of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation to its cool phase the Sun has entered a period of deep slumber. The number of sunspots for 2008 was the second lowest of any year since 1901. That matters less because of fluctuations in the amount of heat generated by the massive star in our near proximity (although there are some fluctuations that may have some measurable effect on global temperatures) and more because of a process best described by the Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark in his complex, but elegant, work The Chilling Stars. In the book, the modern Galileo, for he is nothing less, establishes that cosmic rays from deep space seed clouds over Earth’s oceans. Regulating the number of cosmic rays reaching Earth’s atmosphere is the solar wind; when it is strong, we get fewer cosmic rays. When it is weak, we get more. As NASA has corroborated, the number of cosmic rays passing through our atmosphere is at the maximum level since measurements have been taken, and show no signs of diminishing. The result: the seeding of what some have taken to calling “Svensmark clouds,” low dense clouds, principally over the oceans, that reflect sunlight back to space before it can have its warming effect on whatever is below.

Svensmark has proven, in the minds of most who have given his work a full hearing, that it is this very process that produced the episodes of cooling (and, inversely, warming) of our own era and past eras. The clearest instance of the process, by far, is that of the Maunder Minimum, which refers to a period from 1650 to 1700, during which the Sun had not a single spot on its face. Temperatures around the globe plummeted, with quite adverse effects: crop failures (remember the witch burnings in Europe and Massachusetts?), famine, and societal stress.

Many solar physicists anticipate that the slumbering Sun of early 2009 is likely to continue for at least two solar cycles, or about the next 25 years. Whether the Grand Solar Minimum, if it comes to pass, is as serious as the Maunder Minimum is not knowable, at present. Major solar minima (and maxima, such as the one during the second half of the 20th century) have also been shown to correlate with significant volcanic eruptions. These are likely the result of solar magnetic flux affecting geomagnetic flux, which affects the distribution of magma in Earth’s molten iron core and under its thin mantle. So, let us say, just for the sake of argument, that such an eruption takes place over the course of the next two decades. Like all major eruptions, this one will have a temporary cooling effect on global temperatures, perhaps a large one. The larger the eruption, the greater the effect. History shows that periods of cold are far more stressful to humanity than periods of warm. Would the eruption and consequent cooling be a climate-modifier that exists outside of nature, somehow? Who is the “flat-Earther” now?

What about heat escaping from volcanic vents in the ocean floor? What about the destruction of warming, upper-atmosphere ozone by cosmic rays? I could go on, but space is short. Again, who is the “flat-Earther” here?

The ocean-atmosphere system is not a simple one that can be “ruled” by a trace atmospheric gas. It is a complex, chaotic system, largely modulated by solar effects (both direct and indirect), as shown by the Little Ice Age.

To be told, as I have been, by Mr. Gore, again and again, that carbon dioxide is a grave threat to humankind is not just annoying, by the way, although it is that! To re-tool our economies in an effort to suppress carbon dioxide and its imaginary effect on climate, when other, graver problems exist is, simply put, wrong. Particulate pollution, such as that causing the Asian brown cloud, is a real problem. Two billion people on Earth living without electricity, in darkened huts and hovels polluted by charcoal smoke, is a real problem.

So, let us indeed start a Manhattan Project-like mission to create alternative sources of energy. And, in the meantime, let us neither cripple our own economy by mislabeling carbon dioxide a pollutant nor discourage development in the Third World, where suffering continues unabated, day after day.

Again, Mr. Gore, I accept your apology.

And, Mr. Obama, though I voted for you for a thousand times a thousand reasons, I hope never to need one from you.

P.S. One of the last, desperate canards proposed by climate alarmists is that of the polar ice caps. Look at the “terrible,” “unprecedented” melting in the Arctic in the summer of 2007, they say. Well, the ice in the Arctic basin has always melted and refrozen, and always will. Any researcher who wants to find a single molecule of ice that has been there longer than 30 years is going to have a hard job, because the ice has always been melted from above (by the midnight Sun of summer) and below (by relatively warm ocean currents, possibly amplified by volcanic venting) — and on the sides, again by warm currents. Scientists in the alarmist camp have taken to referring to “old ice,” but, again, this is a misrepresentation of what takes place in the Arctic.

More to the point, 2007 happened also to be the time of maximum historic sea ice in Antarctica. (There are many credible sources of this information, such as the following website maintained by the University of Illinois-Urbana: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.anom.south.jpg). Why, I ask, has Mr. Gore not chosen to mention the record growth of sea ice around Antarctica? If the record melting in the Arctic is significant, then the record sea ice growth around Antarctica is, too, I say. If one is insignificant, then the other one is, too.

For failing to mention the 2007 Antarctic maximum sea ice record a single time, I also accept your apology, Mr. Gore. By the way, your contention that the Arctic basin will be “ice free” in summer within five years (which you said last month in Germany), is one of the most demonstrably false comments you have dared to make. Thank you for that

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J. Peden
January 3, 2009 10:58 pm

gondwannabe:
very few of us are qualified to argue the science from either side
Speak only for yourself, gond. But, if you are not qualified to argue the science, then who are you to dismiss Ambler- or indeed anyone? Or to question what we “should be debating”?
At least follow your own rules, gond.
[But if , as you proudly claim, you are a “relativist” then you actually contradict yourself by making any judgments whatsoever. Which essentially leaves you nowhere.]

January 3, 2009 11:06 pm

Rose21 (21:22:20) :
Nobody is going to be duped about the weather again — even if a new ice age starts up — and it looks like it is.

Sure they will. All it takes is a generation or two for people to forget.

January 3, 2009 11:08 pm

Leif Svalgaard (21:29:24) :
Will you publicly abandon your theory and ideas should the prediction fail? As you must in scientific work.

I sure hope Mann, Hansen, Santer, Jones, Briffa, et al get the message…

Greg
January 3, 2009 11:30 pm

goodwannabe:
–the social injustice that results from the current distribution of resource consumption–
This piece of nonsense is one that really irritates me. How is it that some people can look at the relationship between wealth and energy use (i.e., the more energy a country uses, the greater its wealth, due to leveraging human resources through technology) and instead of seeing the obvious need to help poorer countries exploit more energy, think that the answer is to restrict the amount of energy the wealthy countries are using.
Really boggles the mind.

OzzieAardvark
January 3, 2009 11:42 pm

@Poster that think a skeptic leaning article in the Huffington Post is “a good thing” even if it doesn’t stand on solid scientific ground.
No. No. No. No. No.
Meeting alarmist dogma that plays fast and loose with the facts with skeptic dogma that does the same is worse than simply sitting quietly. You deal with politically driven propaganda campaigns by calmly pushing facts and data at people, not by making up your own version of reality in some misguided attempt to “offset” the bad on the other side. Anthony and Steve McIntyre do this quite well. Roger Pielke does this with a balance and intellectual depth that is amazingly effective.
What I’ve learned from reading this and other climate related blogs for a while now:
1) Try to follow the data and methodology, even when it’s being deliberately hidden or obfuscated
2) Don’t feed the trolls
3) When in need of amusement, read Gavin Schmidt at RealClimate (I’m still chuckling over the 1/4 staff-year comment – a babe in the woods, him)
4) When Leif posts, read it and think hard about it
5) Don’t get too upset about politicians being politicians, just label them and move on
6) Get very upset about politicians labeling themselves as scientists (they’re represented on both sides of the issue BTW)
7) Get down on your knees and give thanks every day for this thing called the Internet – it to a certain extent levels the playing field between the politico-scientific elite with access to massive funding and the lonely voices of the dissenters that rely on PayPal donation jars
8) Call out nonsense when you see it, regardless of whether it supports your view of things.
OA

crosspatch
January 3, 2009 11:55 pm

“Not to mention the amount of atmospheric CO2 needed for the atmosphere to affect the CO2 content of the ocean to any measurable degree is probably astronomical.”
Yes. CO2 gas probably goes more from ocean to atmosphere than the other way around. The primary sources of CO2 would be volcanism and decay of organic matter. There are going to be many more volcanoes dumping CO2 into the oceans than there are on land dumping CO2 to the atmosphere. Most “spreading centers” where there is nearly continuous volcanic activity are under the sea. Deep volcanoes dump pure liquid CO2 into the ocean (kept liquid due to the extreme temperature). There is also a tremendous amount of decaying organic material in the oceans.
As sea temperatures change, the amount of CO2 out gassed into the atmosphere changes. Sure, there is going to be some exchange from air to water but I believe that is swamped by the amount moved in the other direction. Atmospheric CO2 is removed by erosion (dissolved CO2 in rain creating weak carbonic acid which reacts with exposed rock to produce insoluble carbonates), production of charcoal from burning of organic material, and through creation of such things as beds of peat in boggy areas where organic material is buried.
As volcanoes dump CO2 into the oceans, this CO2 is, in turn, released into the atmosphere. Yes, water splashing around on the surface can dissolve some CO2 from the air, but looking at the tons of CO2 dumped into the oceans directly from volcanism alone (not to mention the sulfuric acid and other “pollutants”), it would seem to me that most of the gas exchange will go in the other direction … from sea to atmosphere.

crosspatch
January 4, 2009 12:35 am

Just saw this over at News Busters:

Unfortunately, Harold Ambler’s “Mr. Gore: Apology Accepted” wasn’t featured on HuffPo’s home page when it was published late Saturday morning, nor was it included in the site’s featured posts.
Instead, it was buried in the e-zine’s Green section well under eight other articles, some published three days earlier. These included climate alarmist Joseph Romm’s January 1 post “The Top 10 Global Warming Stories of 2008.”

So it looks like HuffPo published it but bent over backwards to attempt to hide it by slipping it in under articles people had probably already read and wouldn’t notice. Sort of like if Mr. Watts were to slip an article in between a couple of postings from last week. People probably wouldn’t notice it.

anna v
January 4, 2009 2:31 am

I will repeat here a part of the article above, with comments, keeping in mind the neutron counts from both Archibald site and the two sites that Leif provided.
Mi> Regulating the number of cosmic rays reaching Earth’s atmosphere is the solar wind; when it is strong, we get fewer cosmic rays. When it is weak, we get more. As NASA has corroborated, the number of cosmic rays passing through our atmosphere is at the maximum level since measurements have been taken, and show no signs of diminishing.
The three site show an undulating correlation with the sun cycle.True the two by Leif do not show much excess over other minima, still the cosmic rays are at a maximum, at the same time as the PDO is cooling and a Nina is developing etc. etc.
The result: the seeding of what some have taken to calling “Svensmark clouds,” low dense clouds, principally over the oceans, that reflect sunlight back to space before it can have its warming effect on whatever is below.
Svensmark has proven, in the minds of most who have given his work a full hearing, that it is this very process that produced the episodes of cooling (and, inversely, warming) of our own era and past eras.

It might be so, the science is not settled on this as far as I have been able to find out, although I would be mightily surprised if the cosmic ray mechanism is not just one part of the forces at play here, sometimes important and sometimes suppressed. In the many coupled oscillators model of the climate this makes sense.
I do not think the article is exaggerating, it is just glossing over controversies that belong to scientific fora and not HP.
As for the volcanic issue, I have never checked it.

David Archibald
January 4, 2009 2:49 am

Ah, Dr Svalgaard, you are a champion data set adjuster – not only aa Index and TSI, but now also neutron counts. I thought the effect you invoked would be too small to have any effect, so I checked with an expert. His reply follows:
“Concerning your question, I am not sure I understand it. What magnetic field do you (Dr. Svalgaard) keep in mind?
If the Earth’s magnetic field is considered, it is definitely not the case, because Oulu NM is located in the polar region, where the geomagnetic cutoff rigidity is already low (below the so called atmospheric cutoff – energy a particle must posses in order to initiate a cascade which can reach the surface). Therefore, Oulu NM count rate is not affected by the changing geomagnetic field during the last decades. However, the decreasing Earth’s dipole moment may slightly affect long-term count rates at lower latitude stations.
If the heliospheric mag. field (HMF) is considered, it is more correct, but many factors should be considered. Important are a very long quiet period in 2007-2008; a proper polarity of the HMF, and a not-very-flat heliospheric current sheet – HCS (its effect is strongest for small but non-zero tilt angle, as it is now).
Concluding, in the current highest count rate you should not blame the geomagnetic field but rather HMF (long undisturbed period) + unusual HCS structure (not flat during the 11-yr cycle minimum).
Because of the latter one should not use the fact of high NM count rate as a proof of unusually weak HMF (again, more important is the length of undisturbed period rather than the HMF strength per se).”
It is written, and it shall be: Oulu neutron count is at an all time high and going higher.

David Porter
January 4, 2009 3:41 am

Marcus.
If you walk up a steep gradiant, which then gets a little easier, are you now walking down hill?
The answer would be yes if you argue that going from pH 8.15 to 8.1 is making the oceans more acidic. And then again, only a believer could answer in the affirmative.
Whoever thought science was the truth!!!!!!

Mike Bryant
January 4, 2009 5:14 am

David,
“Ocean Acidification” sounds much scarier than “the ocean has become slightly less alkaline in the last 100 years”. So it only makes sense that we use the scary one. Also I understand that “Climate Change” will now be known as “Human Climate Mega-Death Kill”.
Reporters, please update all news stories immediately.
Mike

Mark_0454
January 4, 2009 6:25 am

From reading, I know there are other chemists on this site, so they may have different opinions, but I will offer my two-cents-worth.
Are the oceans getting more acidic or less alkaline? I would say that both views are correct. (or at least I think I can see the logic of both views.) If the pH is moving down (actually toward neutral at 7), then the hydronium ion concentration is higher, which would be more acidic. But, I think this is a more simplistic view. The idea that they are getting less basic is probably more correct in that it accounts for the fact they are slightly alkaline to begin with and moving toward neutral. The idea they are getting less alkaline would get full credit, the idea they are more acidic only gets partial credit.

Mike M.
January 4, 2009 6:43 am

It does not surprise me in the least that Ambler’s article would be published in a far left site like HuffPo. Obama’s various appointments reveal that he is a closet moderate. (Appointing the lunatic Holdren as “science adviser” is merely a sop to the remaining leftist tools he hasn’t discarded.) He does NOT need or want to deal with the AGW agenda. Conversations are taking place. Friendly sources in the MSM and on the internet will be glad to change the narrative.
C’mon, now. The only reason why we’re having these discussions in the first place is because of the one-sided message delivery by the media. AGW was an effective weapon as long as the Other Guys were in power and temperatures were relatively warm. Look for more of these “unusual” story placements like the Politico had a few weeks ago or like Chad Myer’s comments during the CNN weather forecast last week. The Conventional Wisdom will change. The media and punditry will provide Obama cover for not acting on climate change.
Nature is, of course, making it very easy for the media to accomplish this. They could certainly use a competing theory produced by scientists who have not had a dog in this fight but that ain’t gonna happen. My guess is you will start seeing a lot more stories on the relatively historic low levels of solar activity in the meantime. (I said “relatively”, Leif.)
For fun, see if you can guess who will cooperate! 🙂

Arthur
January 4, 2009 6:52 am

Dan Lee:
Life would be impossible without C02 in the air, and its only a trace gas (385 parts per million = .000385 = 1/3 of 1% of the atmosphere, 0.0385% ).
You dropped a zero. Should read 1/30 of 1%.
1,000,000 / 385 / 100 = 0.02597 or 1/26th of 1% of the atmosphere.

Rhys Jaggar
January 4, 2009 7:25 am

It is almost like history re-running itself: one of my first great scientific ‘reads’ was a review of the first half of 20th century physics by Banesh Hoffman, a collaborator of Einstein.
In it he described a community of smug, self-satisfied physicists who had solved the world and excoriated anyone who dared say otherwise.
Along came Einstein with the photoelectric effect, special relativity and Brownian motion……
I see the same in the ‘climate change’ arena. Not sure who the ‘Einstein’ is, but the debunking is about to accelerate and usher in a 50 year renewal of climate science, geological research and oceanography. IMHO.
The only amusement to me is the assumption that scientists are rational reasonable people. They have amongst their membership some of the most vain, egotistical, aggressive, rude and totalitarian people I’ve ever met. I’ve also met some of the finest human specimens you could hope to meet in there too.
It’s the same everywhere, despite the ‘scientists are pure gold’ party line taken by the world’s media………

January 4, 2009 7:32 am

David Archibald (02:49:25) :
Oulu neutron count is at an all time high and going higher.
You are very carefully qualifying your statement by limiting it to ‘Oulu’ [cherry picking again].
Here is the count from another polar station [Sanae in Antarctica]:
http://www.puk.ac.za/opencms/export/PUK/html/fakulteite/natuur/nm_data/data/sanaenm_e.html
If anything a decrease.
If in the opinion of your unnamed expert, Oulu should not suffer from the decrease of the Earth’s field, then the Thule station near the northern magnetic pole should even less. Oulu’s cut-off rigidity is 0.81 GV [Moscow 2.42 GV], but Thule’s is really 0.00 GV, so no cutoff.
Thule data can be found here:
http://neutronm.bartol.udel.edu/~pyle/bri_table.html
and a graph here: http://www.leif.research/thule-cosmic-rays.png
Some numbers for Thule:
1965 1 4674
1965 2 4652
1965 3 4668
1965 4 4700
1965 5 4703 <===
1965 6 4663
1965 7 4642
1965 8 4635
1965 9 4625
1965 10 4647
1965 11 4675
1965 12 4674
and
2008 1 4566
2008 2 4561
2008 3 4544
2008 4 4542
2008 5 4553
2008 6 4554
2008 7 4570
2008 8 4594
2008 9 4622
2008 10 4630
2008 11 4645 <===
2008 12 4641 [estimate]
not up to 1965 levels
There are even indications that the primary cosmic ray intensity may be decreasing:
http://neutronm.bartol.udel.edu/reprints/2007bieber.pdf
That link also contains a good discussion of all the factors involved in long-term cosmic ray assessment.
And BTW, Oulu counts have stopped increasing:
2008 Jan 6592
2008 Feb 6576
2008 Mar 6577
2008 Apr 6586
2008 May 6578
2008 Jun 6582
2008 Jul 6598
2008 Aug 6636
2008 Sep 6658
2008 Oct 6678
2008 Nov 6704
2008 Dec 6702
Now, you did not react to my question if you would abandon your theory and ideas if your prediction fails [as you should – unless it was not really a ‘prediction’ but just a WAG], so I ask again.

January 4, 2009 7:35 am
davidgmills
January 4, 2009 7:49 am

Thanks Leif for your response.

MartinGAtkins
January 4, 2009 7:59 am

Bruckner8 (20:32:51)

Then I tried to calculate the the volume of the atmoshpere. OK, so the earth is 8000km in diameter…all I need to know now is how high the atmosphere reaches above the earth. Oops, no one agrees on that either.

You don’t need to do such complicated calculations. You only need know the average air pressure at sea level. This will give you the mass of the gas column over a given unit of area. Although the calculation is complex it has been done by credible scientists. At sea level the average is 14.7 pounds per unit of area. You can of course convert this to metric. This is Andrews area expertise and perhaps he can guide you to a paper that can give you the formula for calculating the total (notional) mass of the atmosphere.
Calculating the volume is extremely complex because it can vary with temperature at any given altitude and in any given area.

hunter
January 4, 2009 8:04 am

Obviously the author, and Huffington Post, need to be indicted, tried and forced to retract this piece of Exxon-funded denialist propaganda.
lol.
AGW is to Climate Science what Eugenics was to Evolutionary Science.

Robert Wood
January 4, 2009 8:22 am

gondwannabe, at least you admit you are undertaking a political argument. The answer to the poverty of a large chunmk of teh human race is increased wealth; not making the entire human race poor.
Now, let’s get back to science if we can.

David Porter
January 4, 2009 8:23 am

Mike Bryant (05:14:41) :
Mike, I couldn’t agree more. Once you start to study this subject you can’t help but become a sceptic when you see the extent that scientists will go to exaggerate even the simple aspects of AGW.

January 4, 2009 8:39 am

KuhnKat (22:50:44) :
“The portal takes the form of a magnetic cylinder about as wide as Earth.”
a link to more info would be great, thank you.

I don’t know what all the excitement was about. This is old news. Here is a link to a 30 year old article on FTEs:
http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/personnel/russell/papers/153/index.html

Harold Ambler
January 4, 2009 8:46 am

A major thank-you to Anthony for the link. I was traveling yesterday and unable to respond sooner.
My offer to go sledding with Dr. Svalgaard in the hills above Stanford University stands. The last time this was possible was at the tail end of the last negative PDO. I believe the current negative PDO will bring snow to the Bay Area sooner than the last one, due to the well-known effects of significant solar minima on global temperatures.
I will be very surprised if the opportunity for sledding on Stanford’s Cow Hill does not exist before 2013. I plan to fly in for the event, if humanly possible, from wherever I am at the time. Also invited for the winter fun: Stephen Schneider and all of his staff and colleagues who have been staring at computer screens for too long.

January 4, 2009 9:05 am

Harold Ambler (08:46:15) :
I believe the current negative PDO will bring snow to the Bay Area sooner than the last one,
And I think you are right on this one, but for the wrong reason:
due to the well-known effects of significant solar minima on global temperatures.

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