Shocker: Huffington Post carries climate realist essay

Congratulations to Harold Ambler, who frequents here in comments, for breaking the climate “glass ceiling” at HuffPo. This essay is something I thought I’d never see there. Next stop: Daily Kos? – Anthony


By Harold Ambler on The Huffington Post

Posted January 3, 2009 | 11:36 AM (EST

You are probably wondering whether President-elect Obama owes the world an apology for his actions regarding global warming. The answer is, not yet. There is one person, however, who does. You have probably guessed his name: Al Gore.

Mr. Gore has stated, regarding climate change, that “the science is in.” Well, he is absolutely right about that, except for one tiny thing. It is the biggest whopper ever sold to the public in the history of humankind.

What is wrong with the statement? A brief list:

1. First, the expression “climate change” itself is a redundancy, and contains a lie. Climate has always changed, and always will. There has been no stable period of climate during the Holocene, our own climatic era, which began with the end of the last ice age 12,000 years ago. During the Holocene there have been numerous sub-periods with dramatically varied climate, such as the warm Holocene Optimum (7,000 B.C. to 3,000 B.C., during which humanity began to flourish, and advance technologically), the warm Roman Optimum (200 B.C. to 400 A.D., a time of abundant crops that promoted the empire), the cold Dark Ages (400 A.D. to 900 A.D., during which the Nile River froze, major cities were abandoned, the Roman Empire fell apart, and pestilence and famine were widespread), the Medieval Warm Period (900 A.D. to 1300 A.D., during which agriculture flourished, wealth increased, and dozens of lavish examples of Gothic architecture were created), the Little Ice Age (1300 to 1850, during much of which plague, crop failures, witch burnings, food riots — and even revolutions, including the French Revolution — were the rule of thumb), followed by our own time of relative warmth (1850 to present, during which population has increased, technology and medical advances have been astonishing, and agriculture has flourished).

So, no one needs to say the words “climate” and “change” in the same breath — it is assumed, by anyone with any level of knowledge, that climate changes. That is the redundancy to which I alluded. The lie is the suggestion that climate has ever been stable. Mr. Gore has used a famously inaccurate graph, known as the “Mann Hockey Stick,” created by the scientist Michael Mann, showing that the modern rise in temperatures is unprecedented, and that the dramatic changes in climate just described did not take place. They did. One last thought on the expression “climate change”: It is a retreat from the earlier expression used by alarmists, “manmade global warming,” which was more easily debunked. There are people in Mr. Gore’s camp who now use instances of cold temperatures to prove the existence of “climate change,” which is absurd, obscene, even.

2. Mr. Gore has gone so far to discourage debate on climate as to refer to those who question his simplistic view of the atmosphere as “flat-Earthers.” This, too, is right on target, except for one tiny detail. It is exactly the opposite of the truth.

Indeed, it is Mr. Gore and his brethren who are flat-Earthers. Mr. Gore states, ad nauseum, that carbon dioxide rules climate in frightening and unpredictable, and new, ways. When he shows the hockey stick graph of temperature and plots it against reconstructed C02 levels in An Inconvenient Truth, he says that the two clearly have an obvious correlation. “Their relationship is actually very complicated,” he says, “but there is one relationship that is far more powerful than all the others, and it is this: When there is more carbon dioxide, the temperature gets warmer.” The word “complicated” here is among the most significant Mr. Gore has uttered on the subject of climate and is, at best, a deliberate act of obfuscation. Why? Because it turns out that there is an 800-year lag between temperature and carbon dioxide, unlike the sense conveyed by Mr. Gore’s graph. You are probably wondering by now — and if you are not, you should be — which rises first, carbon dioxide or temperature. The answer? Temperature. In every case, the ice-core data shows that temperature rises precede rises in carbon dioxide by, on average, 800 years. In fact, the relationship is not “complicated.” When the ocean-atmosphere system warms, the oceans discharge vast quantities of carbon dioxide in a process known as de-gassing. For this reason, warm and cold years show up on the Mauna Loa C02 measurements even in the short term. For instance, the post-Pinatubo-eruption year of 1993 shows the lowest C02 increase since measurements have been kept. When did the highest C02 increase take place? During the super El Niño year of 1998.

3. What the alarmists now state is that past episodes of warming were not caused by C02 but amplified by it, which is debatable, for many reasons, but, more important, is a far cry from the version of events sold to the public by Mr. Gore.

Meanwhile, the theory that carbon dioxide “drives” climate in any meaningful way is simply wrong and, again, evidence of a “flat-Earth” mentality. Carbon dioxide cannot absorb an unlimited amount of infrared radiation. Why not? Because it only absorbs heat along limited bandwidths, and is already absorbing just about everything it can. That is why plotted on a graph, C02’s ability to capture heat follows a logarithmic curve. We are already very near the maximum absorption level. Further, the IPCC Fourth Assessment, like all the ones before it, is based on computer models that presume a positive feedback of atmospheric warming via increased water vapor.

4. This mechanism has never been shown to exist. Indeed, increased temperature leads to increased evaporation of the oceans, which leads to increased cloud cover (one cooling effect) and increased precipitation (a bigger cooling effect). Within certain bounds, in other words, the ocean-atmosphere system has a very effective self-regulating tendency. By the way, water vapor is far more prevalent, and relevant, in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide — a trace gas. Water vapor’s absorption spectrum also overlays that of carbon dioxide. They cannot both absorb the same energy! The relative might of water vapor and relative weakness of carbon dioxide is exemplified by the extraordinary cooling experienced each night in desert regions, where water in the atmosphere is nearly non-existent.

If not carbon dioxide, what does “drive” climate? I am glad you are wondering about that. In the short term, it is ocean cycles, principally the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the “super cycle” of which cooling La Niñas and warming El Niños are parts. Having been in its warm phase, in which El Niños predominate, for the 30 years ending in late 2006, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation switched to its cool phase, in which La Niñas predominate.

Since that time, already, a number of interesting things have taken place. One La Niña lowered temperatures around the globe for about half of the year just ended, and another La Niña shows evidence of beginning in the equatorial Pacific waters. During the last twelve months, many interesting cold-weather events happened to occur: record snow in the European Alps, China, New Zealand, Australia, Brazil, the Pacific Northwest, Alaska, the Rockies, the upper Midwest, Las Vegas, Houston, and New Orleans. There was also, for the first time in at least 100 years, snow in Baghdad.

Concurrent with the switchover of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation to its cool phase the Sun has entered a period of deep slumber. The number of sunspots for 2008 was the second lowest of any year since 1901. That matters less because of fluctuations in the amount of heat generated by the massive star in our near proximity (although there are some fluctuations that may have some measurable effect on global temperatures) and more because of a process best described by the Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark in his complex, but elegant, work The Chilling Stars. In the book, the modern Galileo, for he is nothing less, establishes that cosmic rays from deep space seed clouds over Earth’s oceans. Regulating the number of cosmic rays reaching Earth’s atmosphere is the solar wind; when it is strong, we get fewer cosmic rays. When it is weak, we get more. As NASA has corroborated, the number of cosmic rays passing through our atmosphere is at the maximum level since measurements have been taken, and show no signs of diminishing. The result: the seeding of what some have taken to calling “Svensmark clouds,” low dense clouds, principally over the oceans, that reflect sunlight back to space before it can have its warming effect on whatever is below.

Svensmark has proven, in the minds of most who have given his work a full hearing, that it is this very process that produced the episodes of cooling (and, inversely, warming) of our own era and past eras. The clearest instance of the process, by far, is that of the Maunder Minimum, which refers to a period from 1650 to 1700, during which the Sun had not a single spot on its face. Temperatures around the globe plummeted, with quite adverse effects: crop failures (remember the witch burnings in Europe and Massachusetts?), famine, and societal stress.

Many solar physicists anticipate that the slumbering Sun of early 2009 is likely to continue for at least two solar cycles, or about the next 25 years. Whether the Grand Solar Minimum, if it comes to pass, is as serious as the Maunder Minimum is not knowable, at present. Major solar minima (and maxima, such as the one during the second half of the 20th century) have also been shown to correlate with significant volcanic eruptions. These are likely the result of solar magnetic flux affecting geomagnetic flux, which affects the distribution of magma in Earth’s molten iron core and under its thin mantle. So, let us say, just for the sake of argument, that such an eruption takes place over the course of the next two decades. Like all major eruptions, this one will have a temporary cooling effect on global temperatures, perhaps a large one. The larger the eruption, the greater the effect. History shows that periods of cold are far more stressful to humanity than periods of warm. Would the eruption and consequent cooling be a climate-modifier that exists outside of nature, somehow? Who is the “flat-Earther” now?

What about heat escaping from volcanic vents in the ocean floor? What about the destruction of warming, upper-atmosphere ozone by cosmic rays? I could go on, but space is short. Again, who is the “flat-Earther” here?

The ocean-atmosphere system is not a simple one that can be “ruled” by a trace atmospheric gas. It is a complex, chaotic system, largely modulated by solar effects (both direct and indirect), as shown by the Little Ice Age.

To be told, as I have been, by Mr. Gore, again and again, that carbon dioxide is a grave threat to humankind is not just annoying, by the way, although it is that! To re-tool our economies in an effort to suppress carbon dioxide and its imaginary effect on climate, when other, graver problems exist is, simply put, wrong. Particulate pollution, such as that causing the Asian brown cloud, is a real problem. Two billion people on Earth living without electricity, in darkened huts and hovels polluted by charcoal smoke, is a real problem.

So, let us indeed start a Manhattan Project-like mission to create alternative sources of energy. And, in the meantime, let us neither cripple our own economy by mislabeling carbon dioxide a pollutant nor discourage development in the Third World, where suffering continues unabated, day after day.

Again, Mr. Gore, I accept your apology.

And, Mr. Obama, though I voted for you for a thousand times a thousand reasons, I hope never to need one from you.

P.S. One of the last, desperate canards proposed by climate alarmists is that of the polar ice caps. Look at the “terrible,” “unprecedented” melting in the Arctic in the summer of 2007, they say. Well, the ice in the Arctic basin has always melted and refrozen, and always will. Any researcher who wants to find a single molecule of ice that has been there longer than 30 years is going to have a hard job, because the ice has always been melted from above (by the midnight Sun of summer) and below (by relatively warm ocean currents, possibly amplified by volcanic venting) — and on the sides, again by warm currents. Scientists in the alarmist camp have taken to referring to “old ice,” but, again, this is a misrepresentation of what takes place in the Arctic.

More to the point, 2007 happened also to be the time of maximum historic sea ice in Antarctica. (There are many credible sources of this information, such as the following website maintained by the University of Illinois-Urbana: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.anom.south.jpg). Why, I ask, has Mr. Gore not chosen to mention the record growth of sea ice around Antarctica? If the record melting in the Arctic is significant, then the record sea ice growth around Antarctica is, too, I say. If one is insignificant, then the other one is, too.

For failing to mention the 2007 Antarctic maximum sea ice record a single time, I also accept your apology, Mr. Gore. By the way, your contention that the Arctic basin will be “ice free” in summer within five years (which you said last month in Germany), is one of the most demonstrably false comments you have dared to make. Thank you for that

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VG
January 3, 2009 7:48 pm

Anthony: Maybe a new view on the whole issue is timely now that it is becoming apparent that Co2 does not drive temps.
1. Everyone agrees that co2 does not drive temps (will problably take another full 2-3 years)
2. Everyone agrees there is an environmental problem (browns clouds Asia ect, overpopulation, UHI ect).
BTW UHI could be potentially be considered to be part of local warming induced by humans and of course the warmers will pounce on this but what the heck…
Re Best web site ect beware of dividing the vote between you and CA apparently this favors that other naughty site realclimate LOL

davidgmills
January 3, 2009 8:09 pm

And here is another article linking cosmic radiation and sunspot number to rises and falls in the Parana River of South America (world’s fifth largest) for the last 100 years.
http://www.iafe.uba.ar/httpdocs/reprint_parana.pdf
Title of the article: “Solar Forcing of the Stream Flow of a Continental Scale South American River”
From the Abstract of the article:
“For the last century, we find strong correlation with the sunspot number, in multidecadal time scales, with larger solar activity corresponding to larger stream flow.”
I had posted a similar article about the Vaal River in South Africa several months ago and Lief lambasted it. It also noted the same phenomenon — that solar minimums produce much less rain.
http://nzclimatescience.net/images/PDFs/alexander2707.pdf
It seems odd that rainfall would decrease given the extra cloud cover observed at solar minimum. I guess it would mean that the water vapor fails to precipitate out.

Mike Bryant
January 3, 2009 8:20 pm

Marcus,
I don’t know who you are, and I don’t know what you do. I am a plumber, but I know crXX when I see it and hear it, and AGW is definitely cXXp. I also know when people are trying to feed me a line of XXap, and that would be what you are doing. Why not use your real name and come into the light. Is it because you have seen the writing on the wall, and know that even plumbers know that AGW is full of XXXX?
Mike Bryant, Plumber

Katlab
January 3, 2009 8:30 pm

Leif Svalgaard and gondwannabe, I need to speak as a non-scientist, although I am a trained statistician. I was a true believer in Global Warming, I must have watched the day after tomorrow and and inconvenient truth maybe 20 times. I had been really impressed with “the Mann hockey stick”.
It was like finding out your spouse has been cheating on you and lying to your face. When I found out, that the whole thing was manipulated so that any random numbers would generate a hockey stick; the polar bears were not dying off, that world had been cooling since 1998 and Gore knew that when he made that film. I felt rage, at being lied to, rage. You are arguing about “ocean acidification” and “social injustices”. I want to know, “Why did you lie to me?” Why hasn’t anyone come out and said, “1998 was a bit of anomaly.” ? Why do you go before the Supreme Court saying “Polar bears should be endangered, when they are at near high in population levels?” “Why hasn’t the hockey stick been publically disavowed, so that people like me who believed can hear it?”
You are lying to me and to others to accomplish your social agendas of “social inequalities”. You are scam artists and con men up there with Madoff, out there to seperate countries and people from their money to be spent how you see fit. You are using this to scare people and countries into doing environmental changes that they would never freely choose, if they knew the truth. When the truth comes out and it will, prepare for this rage of betrayal that will follow. I am a foretaste of what is to come.
I found out about this site this summer and I have sent so many people here, because it is one of the few places where science over social agenda has been upheld.

Mike Bryant
January 3, 2009 8:31 pm

“Re Best web site ect beware of dividing the vote between you and CA apparently this favors that other naughty site realclimate LOL”
I think everyone should vote for the blog they want to, and let the chips fall where they may. It’s only for fun anyway.
I’m going with WUWT.

Bruckner8
January 3, 2009 8:32 pm

This is my first post, after reading regularly since last January’s “Globally Cooler in last 12 months” article.
I’m a complete skeptic, religiously agnostic to boot! Finding, describing and reproducing “cause and [ae]ffect” is a Scientist’s #1 responsibility, yes, the very definition of Science.
In that light, my take on AGW has ALWAYS been a simplistic “If they can’t predict local weather, how can they predict GLOBAL ANYTHING?” My respect for the complexities within the Universe almost make me think “Why are they even wasting any time on this?” but I wouldn’t want others to stop trying! I’d put more money on predicting the next volcano eruption or earthquake.
I took an Astronomy course in college–not the “moons for goons” easy course, but the one for students with math aptitude…Calc I was a prerequistie. In that class, we learned that someday, the sun would grow to be so large that its diameter would completely fill the Earth’s orbit. The Earth will certainly burn to a crisp in the future! And we can’t do a darn thing about it. It will be very gradual. Maybe it has started? How will we know? I don’t understand those who think the sun has nothing (or very little) to do with our climate. If the sun went away, we’d be gone! The sun is #1 for cryin’ out loud.
When I see charts of historical temperatures, with all of the “high ones” happening since the invention of the themometer, I think “Hmm, maybe our measuring instruments should be looked at too.” Yup, I’m VERY SKEPTICAL. I can’t even trust the thermometers! I’m amazed at the “pass” given to the simplest charts/measurement processes. That’s why I love Anthony’s site…he’s always slamming on the measurment process! With pictures
I drive a Toyota Matrix. I set out to calculate my personal %CO2 concentration in the athmosphere. First I had to find out how much CO2 my car emits. I found a few sites, and they disagreed with each other. Then I tried to calculate the the volume of the atmoshpere. OK, so the earth is 8000km in diameter…all I need to know now is how high the atmosphere reaches above the earth. Oops, no one agrees on that either.
So I started playing with max/min assumptions, using different driving habits, different gasoline, different estimates for atmosphere height, etc. Pretty soon, i was going to need Calculus, cuz I wanted to do some rates of change tests too. I started feeling like the Climatologist Model Makers! Like a mad scientist, I would add variables, rates of change limits/timeframes, and smirk all the way to my conclusions.
Sure enough, some of them were whacky! “If I drive my Matrix for 10 years non-stop at 80mph using premium gasoline,and the engine gets 3% less efficient every year, I might break into 1 googol-ill-ionth of 1 %!” I kid. My point is: HOW IN HELL CAN WE TRUST ANY OF THESE MODELS? There must be 1000 variables, and infinite different rates of change!
The elitism in these people (Gore takes the cake, obviously) is almost criminal! It should be against the law to look down on other humans as they do. It’s obviously all about POWER [ego] and nothing about science. Too bad most people seem to be willing lemmings in this insect-infested world.
I know Leif is a well-respected poster here. I admit that whenever I’d read an article re: sun, I’d look forward to his replies. He made me take pause with one comment (and ultimately drove me to make this post). His answer to another poster’s claims was “a lot of people disagree with your [point].” This gets my goat to no end, and illuminates the Super Difficulty in Climatology: It’s 1% Science and 99% Consensus. When Galileo proved the Earth revolved around the sun, it was “Consensus” that said it didn’t.
Hopefully, the ratio of Science to Consensus will swing to Science in my lifetime, but I’m not holding my CO2-filled breath.

J.Hansford.
January 3, 2009 8:36 pm

Good article…. He could slow down on the magnetic stuff though and just stick to the atmosphere and the lack of observational evidence in support of the AGW hypothesis.
There is lots of interesting stuff around… But it is best to stick with Pertinent points of contention.

crosspatch
January 3, 2009 8:38 pm

The next piece of misinformation that needs to be addressed is the bunk about “ocean acidification”. When most modern ocean life first appeared, Earth’s atmospheric CO2 content was several times higher than that of today.
In fact, Earth’s atmospheric CO2 was at record low levels before rebounding during this interglacial. In fact, it was getting so low as to lead many scientists to believe that the demise of Earth will be from a lack of CO2 causing plant life to die out resulting in the collapse of the rest of the food chain.
Every bit of oil, gas, coal, limestone, and practically all other carbonates are CO2 removed from the atmosphere. The rise of the Himalayas have resulted in the removal of huge amounts of CO2 through erosion. Earth’s oceans are at record low “acidity” and increases today can be looked at more along the lines of “recovery” than of “pollution”. The oceans are recovering to something closer to what they have been over most of recent geological history.

philincalifornia
January 3, 2009 8:44 pm

Marcus (19:13:43) :
The pH of the ocean is greater than 7. It can’t get more acidic when it’s not acidic to start with. It’s getting less alkaline.

Ron de Haan
January 3, 2009 8:51 pm

Smokey (19:14:06) :
“Lots of new places are starting to carry essays like this: click”
Smokey,
This is a very nice article and I completely agree with it’s conclusion.
“Some pundits are calling 2008 the year global warming was disproven. I prefer to call it the year science triumphed over alarmism”.
I am convinced that Blogs like WUWT, ICECAP and many others earn a lot of the credit for spreading the correct message.
I also underwrite Leif’s efforts and arguments to point out the importance of sound arguments based on sound science.
There are a lot of “confused” people (not only politicians) in this world and it won’t serve any cause to add to that confusion.
This blog, it’s postings and the way the readers respond (with good solid arguments and very often with a lot of patience), results in a remarkable way to get to the very essence of fact finding.
This is the core of it’s success.
Anthony, thank you for the initiative.

David Archibald
January 3, 2009 8:56 pm

Ah, Dr Svalgaard, you would be well aware that Mr Ambler is correct in saying that the number of cosmic rays is the highest since measurements began. Taking the Oulu record found at http://cosmicrays.oulu.fi/, the previous monthly peak was 6,620 in 1965. November 2008 had a reading of 6,704. Neutron count usually peaks a year after solar minimum. So, as Mr Ambler notes, the count is still climbing. My own prediction is 6,900 in July 2010. A 19th century type reading (as backcast by Usoskin) to give us 19th century type winters.

January 3, 2009 8:59 pm

Joseph (18:14:21) :
Those of you here nit-picking the details of Harold Ambler’s well-written essay seem to be missing the big picture. HuffPo’s readers don’t give a damn about the technical details of climate analysis. Their take-away will be that an erudite writer has claimed that Al Gore’s anthropogenic global warming claim is a lie, and supports this accusation with 2,000+ words of supporting information, in a publication that they respect. The significance of an essay such as this, appearing in a well-known liberal publication as HuffPo, is huge. The technical details are irrelevant, largely because, let’s face it, AGW is not a scientific debate, but a sociopolitical debate.
Brick by brick, the façade of AGW is crumbling. Harold Ambler has arrived with a bulldozer to lend a hand. Rather than criticizing the details of his analysis, we should be applauding his achievement of having reached an audience that has been misled for too long.

So misleading crap like this article is OK with you?

David Archibald
January 3, 2009 9:02 pm

My congratulations to Mr Ambler also. His essay structure is much the same as what I do: start with the variability of climate, debunk CO2 as a warming agent with the log curve, then point to solar variability as the climate driver. What he could have added is the plant growth benefit from increased atmospheric CO2. All in all, a very readable piece from a professional wordsmith who as looked at the science.

Christian Bultmann
January 3, 2009 9:20 pm

Marcus,
This is basic high school stuff, everything over pH 7 is alkaline.
A drop from say pH 9 to pH 8 makes it less alkaline and NOT more acidic.
Acidic is a buzz word the AGW folks like to use cause it sounds more threatening.
When the history of mankind has to be rewritten and basic science has to be changed to fit the AGW mantra just maybe the hypothesis of AGW is wrong after all.
Any increase in temperature below 0 degree C is considered less cold at least where I live and that is Canada we know cold.

Rose21
January 3, 2009 9:22 pm

I think that focusing in on global warming in the first place was very short-sighted. If you want to rearrange the economy and redistribute wealth by getting everyone fearful about destructive weather, it would have been much wiser to focus on “cooling” rather than warming. In general, the earth’s climate is below ideal conditions (for most days of the year in most regions). So, since most of us would prefer warmer temps (I’ll bet even people in the Arctic!), it is hard to take the global warming threat seriously — even if it were not phony. But cooling — now, not only is cooling apparently really happening, I personally would be much more likely to modify my lifestyle if there were even a remote chance that what I was doing was causing cooling. Too late — they decided that the issue would be warming. Now it’s all a waste. Nobody is going to be duped about the weather again — even if a new ice age starts up — and it looks like it is.

January 3, 2009 9:29 pm

David Archibald (20:56:33) :
Mr Ambler is correct in saying that the number of cosmic rays is the highest since measurements began.
Neither he nor you have considered that the cosmic ray counts at a given station change slowly over time because the Earth’s magnetic field is slowly changing. At Oulu the GCR rate has crept up. At Moscow, the rate has stayed constant:
http://cr0.izmiran.rssi.ru/mosc/main.htm then click on ‘monthly’
and at Hermanus the rate has declined a bit:
http://www.puk.ac.za/opencms/export/PUK/html/fakulteite/natuur/nm_data/data/hermanus_e.html
Globally the rate at minima has been very constant.
The problem with both him and you is that you cherry pick datasets that match your ideas and ignore the ones that don’t. This is typical for Climate AGITPROP but is not tolerated in scientific work.
My own prediction is 6,900 in July 2010.
Will you publicly abandon your theory and ideas should the prediction fail? As you must in scientific work.

King of Cool
January 3, 2009 9:35 pm

Sorry to set off all your filters Charles. Will try and keep to science rather than social although I have noticed quite a few social issues being raised of late.
Was it the reference to only two bullets?
If so, make it a couple of thousand rounds. Then Al will be safe, provided he has plenty of warm clothing, but will have to face the prospect of killing lots of polar bears.

Ron de Haan
January 3, 2009 9:36 pm

Bruckner8 (20:32:51) :
“This is my first post, after reading regularly since last January’s “Globally Cooler in last 12 months” article”.
I hope you are feeling better now.

Robbins Mitchell
January 3, 2009 9:40 pm

If Harold is going to wait for anAL GOREtentive to apologize for trying to scam the entire planet with his latest fraud,it could be a long wait….he has yet to apologize to the American people for trying to steal the Presidency in 2000…..it simply isn’t part of his character to admit moral or intellectual failing
Reply: Everyone, everyone, please let’s try and avoid political tangents more appropriate for either littlegreenfootballs or dailykos.
And I don’t care who started it.
~ charles the moderator

Mike Bryant
January 3, 2009 9:43 pm

“So misleading crap like this article is OK with you?”
No, Phil., I much prefer the misleading crap that Al Gore shovels. That way he can make big bucks, and I can be taxed within an inch of my life. 🙂

crosspatch
January 3, 2009 9:52 pm

Another thing that needs to be pointed out and driven home every time is the relationship between “warming” and the number of ground stations used to calculate monthly averages. GISS uses today about half the number of ground stations they used in 1989 to calculate global temperatures. Most of the deleted stations are rural. the result is predictable as UHI impacts from a larger proportion of urban stations increases its influence. “Global average temperature” rises as rural stations are removed from the average calculation.
That is another way we can have “man made global warming” … by cherry picking the stations most likely to show warming from urbanization as representative of the globe as a whole.
It is absolutely ridiculous and Hansen should by now be a laughing stock in scientific communities.

Jeff Alberts
January 3, 2009 10:15 pm

2. Man in general is evil: Man is the cause of the CO2 and hence of GW

This is the AGW version of “original sin”. Simply by being alive you are killing the planet and MUST do everything in your power to mitigate your existence.

Jeff Alberts
January 3, 2009 10:21 pm

crosspatch (20:38:18) :
The next piece of misinformation that needs to be addressed is the bunk about “ocean acidification”. When most modern ocean life first appeared, Earth’s atmospheric CO2 content was several times higher than that of today.
In fact, Earth’s atmospheric CO2 was at record low levels before rebounding during this interglacial. In fact, it was getting so low as to lead many scientists to believe that the demise of Earth will be from a lack of CO2 causing plant life to die out resulting in the collapse of the rest of the food chain.
Every bit of oil, gas, coal, limestone, and practically all other carbonates are CO2 removed from the atmosphere. The rise of the Himalayas have resulted in the removal of huge amounts of CO2 through erosion. Earth’s oceans are at record low “acidity” and increases today can be looked at more along the lines of “recovery” than of “pollution”. The oceans are recovering to something closer to what they have been over most of recent geological history.

Not to mention the amount of atmospheric CO2 needed for the atmosphere to affect the CO2 content of the ocean to any measurable degree is probably astronomical.

eric anderson
January 3, 2009 10:27 pm

This is proof that there is climate change even in hell: it has frozen over!

KuhnKat
January 3, 2009 10:50 pm

Leif,
any comments on this recent NASA article:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/30oct_ftes.htm
“The portal takes the form of a magnetic cylinder about as wide as Earth.”
a link to more info would be great, thank you.