Congratulations to Harold Ambler, who frequents here in comments, for breaking the climate “glass ceiling” at HuffPo. This essay is something I thought I’d never see there. Next stop: Daily Kos? – Anthony
By Harold Ambler on The Huffington Post
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You are probably wondering whether President-elect Obama owes the world an apology for his actions regarding global warming. The answer is, not yet. There is one person, however, who does. You have probably guessed his name: Al Gore.
Mr. Gore has stated, regarding climate change, that “the science is in.” Well, he is absolutely right about that, except for one tiny thing. It is the biggest whopper ever sold to the public in the history of humankind.
What is wrong with the statement? A brief list:
1. First, the expression “climate change” itself is a redundancy, and contains a lie. Climate has always changed, and always will. There has been no stable period of climate during the Holocene, our own climatic era, which began with the end of the last ice age 12,000 years ago. During the Holocene there have been numerous sub-periods with dramatically varied climate, such as the warm Holocene Optimum (7,000 B.C. to 3,000 B.C., during which humanity began to flourish, and advance technologically), the warm Roman Optimum (200 B.C. to 400 A.D., a time of abundant crops that promoted the empire), the cold Dark Ages (400 A.D. to 900 A.D., during which the Nile River froze, major cities were abandoned, the Roman Empire fell apart, and pestilence and famine were widespread), the Medieval Warm Period (900 A.D. to 1300 A.D., during which agriculture flourished, wealth increased, and dozens of lavish examples of Gothic architecture were created), the Little Ice Age (1300 to 1850, during much of which plague, crop failures, witch burnings, food riots — and even revolutions, including the French Revolution — were the rule of thumb), followed by our own time of relative warmth (1850 to present, during which population has increased, technology and medical advances have been astonishing, and agriculture has flourished).
So, no one needs to say the words “climate” and “change” in the same breath — it is assumed, by anyone with any level of knowledge, that climate changes. That is the redundancy to which I alluded. The lie is the suggestion that climate has ever been stable. Mr. Gore has used a famously inaccurate graph, known as the “Mann Hockey Stick,” created by the scientist Michael Mann, showing that the modern rise in temperatures is unprecedented, and that the dramatic changes in climate just described did not take place. They did. One last thought on the expression “climate change”: It is a retreat from the earlier expression used by alarmists, “manmade global warming,” which was more easily debunked. There are people in Mr. Gore’s camp who now use instances of cold temperatures to prove the existence of “climate change,” which is absurd, obscene, even.
2. Mr. Gore has gone so far to discourage debate on climate as to refer to those who question his simplistic view of the atmosphere as “flat-Earthers.” This, too, is right on target, except for one tiny detail. It is exactly the opposite of the truth.
Indeed, it is Mr. Gore and his brethren who are flat-Earthers. Mr. Gore states, ad nauseum, that carbon dioxide rules climate in frightening and unpredictable, and new, ways. When he shows the hockey stick graph of temperature and plots it against reconstructed C02 levels in An Inconvenient Truth, he says that the two clearly have an obvious correlation. “Their relationship is actually very complicated,” he says, “but there is one relationship that is far more powerful than all the others, and it is this: When there is more carbon dioxide, the temperature gets warmer.” The word “complicated” here is among the most significant Mr. Gore has uttered on the subject of climate and is, at best, a deliberate act of obfuscation. Why? Because it turns out that there is an 800-year lag between temperature and carbon dioxide, unlike the sense conveyed by Mr. Gore’s graph. You are probably wondering by now — and if you are not, you should be — which rises first, carbon dioxide or temperature. The answer? Temperature. In every case, the ice-core data shows that temperature rises precede rises in carbon dioxide by, on average, 800 years. In fact, the relationship is not “complicated.” When the ocean-atmosphere system warms, the oceans discharge vast quantities of carbon dioxide in a process known as de-gassing. For this reason, warm and cold years show up on the Mauna Loa C02 measurements even in the short term. For instance, the post-Pinatubo-eruption year of 1993 shows the lowest C02 increase since measurements have been kept. When did the highest C02 increase take place? During the super El Niño year of 1998.
3. What the alarmists now state is that past episodes of warming were not caused by C02 but amplified by it, which is debatable, for many reasons, but, more important, is a far cry from the version of events sold to the public by Mr. Gore.
Meanwhile, the theory that carbon dioxide “drives” climate in any meaningful way is simply wrong and, again, evidence of a “flat-Earth” mentality. Carbon dioxide cannot absorb an unlimited amount of infrared radiation. Why not? Because it only absorbs heat along limited bandwidths, and is already absorbing just about everything it can. That is why plotted on a graph, C02’s ability to capture heat follows a logarithmic curve. We are already very near the maximum absorption level. Further, the IPCC Fourth Assessment, like all the ones before it, is based on computer models that presume a positive feedback of atmospheric warming via increased water vapor.
4. This mechanism has never been shown to exist. Indeed, increased temperature leads to increased evaporation of the oceans, which leads to increased cloud cover (one cooling effect) and increased precipitation (a bigger cooling effect). Within certain bounds, in other words, the ocean-atmosphere system has a very effective self-regulating tendency. By the way, water vapor is far more prevalent, and relevant, in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide — a trace gas. Water vapor’s absorption spectrum also overlays that of carbon dioxide. They cannot both absorb the same energy! The relative might of water vapor and relative weakness of carbon dioxide is exemplified by the extraordinary cooling experienced each night in desert regions, where water in the atmosphere is nearly non-existent.
If not carbon dioxide, what does “drive” climate? I am glad you are wondering about that. In the short term, it is ocean cycles, principally the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the “super cycle” of which cooling La Niñas and warming El Niños are parts. Having been in its warm phase, in which El Niños predominate, for the 30 years ending in late 2006, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation switched to its cool phase, in which La Niñas predominate.
Since that time, already, a number of interesting things have taken place. One La Niña lowered temperatures around the globe for about half of the year just ended, and another La Niña shows evidence of beginning in the equatorial Pacific waters. During the last twelve months, many interesting cold-weather events happened to occur: record snow in the European Alps, China, New Zealand, Australia, Brazil, the Pacific Northwest, Alaska, the Rockies, the upper Midwest, Las Vegas, Houston, and New Orleans. There was also, for the first time in at least 100 years, snow in Baghdad.
Concurrent with the switchover of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation to its cool phase the Sun has entered a period of deep slumber. The number of sunspots for 2008 was the second lowest of any year since 1901. That matters less because of fluctuations in the amount of heat generated by the massive star in our near proximity (although there are some fluctuations that may have some measurable effect on global temperatures) and more because of a process best described by the Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark in his complex, but elegant, work The Chilling Stars. In the book, the modern Galileo, for he is nothing less, establishes that cosmic rays from deep space seed clouds over Earth’s oceans. Regulating the number of cosmic rays reaching Earth’s atmosphere is the solar wind; when it is strong, we get fewer cosmic rays. When it is weak, we get more. As NASA has corroborated, the number of cosmic rays passing through our atmosphere is at the maximum level since measurements have been taken, and show no signs of diminishing. The result: the seeding of what some have taken to calling “Svensmark clouds,” low dense clouds, principally over the oceans, that reflect sunlight back to space before it can have its warming effect on whatever is below.
Svensmark has proven, in the minds of most who have given his work a full hearing, that it is this very process that produced the episodes of cooling (and, inversely, warming) of our own era and past eras. The clearest instance of the process, by far, is that of the Maunder Minimum, which refers to a period from 1650 to 1700, during which the Sun had not a single spot on its face. Temperatures around the globe plummeted, with quite adverse effects: crop failures (remember the witch burnings in Europe and Massachusetts?), famine, and societal stress.
Many solar physicists anticipate that the slumbering Sun of early 2009 is likely to continue for at least two solar cycles, or about the next 25 years. Whether the Grand Solar Minimum, if it comes to pass, is as serious as the Maunder Minimum is not knowable, at present. Major solar minima (and maxima, such as the one during the second half of the 20th century) have also been shown to correlate with significant volcanic eruptions. These are likely the result of solar magnetic flux affecting geomagnetic flux, which affects the distribution of magma in Earth’s molten iron core and under its thin mantle. So, let us say, just for the sake of argument, that such an eruption takes place over the course of the next two decades. Like all major eruptions, this one will have a temporary cooling effect on global temperatures, perhaps a large one. The larger the eruption, the greater the effect. History shows that periods of cold are far more stressful to humanity than periods of warm. Would the eruption and consequent cooling be a climate-modifier that exists outside of nature, somehow? Who is the “flat-Earther” now?
What about heat escaping from volcanic vents in the ocean floor? What about the destruction of warming, upper-atmosphere ozone by cosmic rays? I could go on, but space is short. Again, who is the “flat-Earther” here?
The ocean-atmosphere system is not a simple one that can be “ruled” by a trace atmospheric gas. It is a complex, chaotic system, largely modulated by solar effects (both direct and indirect), as shown by the Little Ice Age.
To be told, as I have been, by Mr. Gore, again and again, that carbon dioxide is a grave threat to humankind is not just annoying, by the way, although it is that! To re-tool our economies in an effort to suppress carbon dioxide and its imaginary effect on climate, when other, graver problems exist is, simply put, wrong. Particulate pollution, such as that causing the Asian brown cloud, is a real problem. Two billion people on Earth living without electricity, in darkened huts and hovels polluted by charcoal smoke, is a real problem.
So, let us indeed start a Manhattan Project-like mission to create alternative sources of energy. And, in the meantime, let us neither cripple our own economy by mislabeling carbon dioxide a pollutant nor discourage development in the Third World, where suffering continues unabated, day after day.
Again, Mr. Gore, I accept your apology.
And, Mr. Obama, though I voted for you for a thousand times a thousand reasons, I hope never to need one from you.
P.S. One of the last, desperate canards proposed by climate alarmists is that of the polar ice caps. Look at the “terrible,” “unprecedented” melting in the Arctic in the summer of 2007, they say. Well, the ice in the Arctic basin has always melted and refrozen, and always will. Any researcher who wants to find a single molecule of ice that has been there longer than 30 years is going to have a hard job, because the ice has always been melted from above (by the midnight Sun of summer) and below (by relatively warm ocean currents, possibly amplified by volcanic venting) — and on the sides, again by warm currents. Scientists in the alarmist camp have taken to referring to “old ice,” but, again, this is a misrepresentation of what takes place in the Arctic.
More to the point, 2007 happened also to be the time of maximum historic sea ice in Antarctica. (There are many credible sources of this information, such as the following website maintained by the University of Illinois-Urbana: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.anom.south.jpg). Why, I ask, has Mr. Gore not chosen to mention the record growth of sea ice around Antarctica? If the record melting in the Arctic is significant, then the record sea ice growth around Antarctica is, too, I say. If one is insignificant, then the other one is, too.
For failing to mention the 2007 Antarctic maximum sea ice record a single time, I also accept your apology, Mr. Gore. By the way, your contention that the Arctic basin will be “ice free” in summer within five years (which you said last month in Germany), is one of the most demonstrably false comments you have dared to make. Thank you for that
Wow, those “people” at HuffPo are positively apoplectic at Ambler’s posting. Let’s hear it for reasoned debate.
Actually what has surprised me at Huffingtonpost is the number of people who are skeptical and congratulate Mr. Amber. Hardly a consensus of believers even on Huffington.
Re: Leif Svalgaard (18:33:28)
Re: Leif Svalgaard (18:34:44)
Leif, I respectfully disagree. You still don’t get it. There are two separate and distinct AGW debates occurring. The first is in the arena of science, the second is in the sociopolitical arena. The scientific debate is attended by scientists, such as yourself. The second debate is attended by the average person, otherwise known as voters. The scientists are intensely focused upon the correctness of the details. The average person is not. Politicians and public-policy decision makers, that may or may not make decisions that do more harm than good, have no real interest in the first debate, only the second, for the obvious reasons. Scientists don’t elect politicians to office, the average person does.
Harold Ambler’s essay was clearly directed towards the sociopolitical arena. HuffPo is not a scientific, peer-reviewed journal. HuffPo IS Technorati-rated with an authority of #1! HuffPo is very widely read and respected by a great many people (voters). Harold’s essay may not have been technically correct, in your opinion, but it is very effective in communicating the message that climate science is not settled. Let’s face it, there is very little about climate science that is settled.
Whether you realize it or not, the AGW debate, and how it ends up affecting peoples lives, especially economically, will be decided in the sociopolitical arena, not the arena of science. I don’t like it anymore than you do, but that is the way it is. I understand that those of us who participate here at WUWT thoroughly enjoy debating the details of climate science, but we cannot allow that to distract us from the bigger picture of the social implications of a mistaken perception of climate by the average person leading politicians to make poor policy decisions that may be very damaging. In the greater scheme of things, the average person’s opinion of climate (however misinformed) is of equal importance to that of climate scientists.
Re: davidgmills (18:42:33)
Thank you. Yes, I agree.
Re: Phil. (20:59:08) :
Same response to you as to Leif above.
Mark_0454 @ur momisugly 17:37:26:
Actually what has surprised me at Huffingtonpost is the number of people who are skeptical and congratulate Mr. Amber. Hardly a consensus of believers even on Huffington.
Me too, Mark. Perhaps he has shattered the PC glass ceiling on this issue.
AL GORE HAS GUARANTEED THAT THE NORTHERN POLAR ICE CAP WILL BE COMPLETELY GONE IN FIVE YEARS!!!
When I heard this, I assumed it was a rumor started by skeptics trying to make Gore look bad. It wasn’t until I viewed the video with my own eyes that I realized what Gore had done. Gore has started a five year credibility countdown timer ticking and it’s up to all of us to make sure that he is held accountable and proven to be a fraud when his dire prediction aimed at drumming up support doesn’t come true.
The mainstream media isn’t going to let this video see the light of day because they, unlike Al, understand the precarious position in which he has placed himself.
It is therefore up to us to spread the word about Big Al’s prediction. He must be exposed for the fear mongering opportunist that he has become.
To view the video, please visit the following site and click on the picture of Big Al holding up five fingers.
http://www.hootervillegazette.com
While visiting this site, you might want to watch a preview of the film “Not Evil, Just wrong” which is linked to from the home page or watch “The Great Global Warming Swindle” which can be found in the video section.
Happy Viewing!!!
Les Johnson (14:15:52) :
Basic chemistry says that the ocean cannot become either too acidic or basic.
Carbonate buffering in the oceans keep pH relatively constant. If the water is too basic, then: H2CO3 -> HCO3 + H, and the pH falls when the hydrogen ion is released. If the water is too acidic, then HCO3 + H -> H2CO3, and the pH rises, when the ion combines with the carbonate.
Geological data shows that when CO2 atmospheric levels were 10-20 times higher than today, sea life and coral reefs thrived.
Acidification of the oceans is a non-starter, especially as more CO2 is released from warming waters.
Makes you wonder how the pH of carbonated drinks is 3.7?
The pKa of the carbonic acid system are ~6,3 and 10.25, note that “the buffering capacity of the buffer solution is also likely to be highest at pKa because both undissociated and dissociated forms are present in equal concentration. Upon addition of acid, it will be immediately neutralized by A- and if alkali is added, HA will be plentiful to neutralize it. Hence, a buffer solution is always used in the pH range of pKa-1 to pKa+1.”
http://technical.scienceboard.net/?p=15
Joseph (18:12:31) :
Leif, I respectfully disagree. You still don’t get it.
No, you don’t get it. I understand that the lay person don’t understand the science and that it is hopeless to try to force him, but my point is that it is just as easy to be scientifically correct as to serve half-truths, pseudo-science, and wild ideas [easier, in fact, as you don’t have to make things up]. And the voters deserve to be told the inconvenient truth rather than some mumbo-jumbo, dressed up for public consumption by Joe Six-pack.
MSM picked up the Ambler story from Huffington Post.
Houston Chronicle (my hometown newspaper) is the leading (perhaps only?) daily in the fourth-largest city in the U.S. Although Houston is home to many energy companies and huge petrochemical manufacturing, the newspaper is decidedly left-leaning IMHO. The news articles continually hound and pound the energy companies.
Perhaps the tide is indeed turning?
http://green.chron.com/green/2009/01/03/261149113-harold-ambler-mr-gore-apology
Roger E. Sowell
Marina del Rey, California
Anthony,
WUWT got a plug in the comments section in the Houston Chronicle article shown above. As we would say back there, Way to Fire!
Roger E. Sowell
Marina del Rey, California
A quickly cooling world is making even a far left blog like The Huffington post to acknowledge the truth.
Even with record cold temperatures being reported I still am shaking my head that The Huffington Post, of all blogs, would allow so much lucidity to be posted.
I can only imagine that it has lasted this long because it’s a holiday weekend and tomorrow it will quickly be deleted after it is noticed by the more politically left moderators at the blog followed by an apology for allowing it to be posted at their blog. 😉
Not really. They still have all the alarmist advertising and headlines. I think they allowed the article so they could ridicule it, nothing more.
Leif,
thank you for the link.
The older article suggests 3 events per hour which is a lot slower than every 8 minutes they are now seeing.
I guess I should hunt for some more info!!
This post is of similar quality to those of Deepak Chopra that HuffPo likes to promote.
Leif,
Are you suggesting that Al Gore’s production of the movie by that name was NOT some mumbo-jumbo, dressed up for public consumption by Joe Six-pack? I have no respect whatsoever for Gore bcause he and we don’t really know, nor can we say with certainty what changes will occur or at what rate. (One poster referred to 1,000 variables when there are far more than that.) Yet Gore has rediculously claimed the Arctic will become ice free in five years and was probably well paid to do it. This is clearly mumbo-jumbo dressed up for public consumption by Joe Six-pack. Please don’t make comments that in any way appear to support those who are issuing the mumbo-jumbo in the first place.
Phil. (19:43:54)
If you are seeking a pH of 3.7 you need to look somewhere other than CO2. Buffering solutions are designed to operate within a specific pH range for calibration. They in no way suggest that adsorption of CO2 will produce a pH anywhere close to a figure of 3.7.
Can I repeat a post and ask for replies to be made in the Solar Geomagnetic thread so I can keep an eye out for them. Thanks
“Also can I make a plea for links to national (or regional) temperature records as I want to collect them all together in one place for use as a general resource. The longer the better. I know there are good ones for Armagh (Ellie where are you) Germany and Holland amongst other places. If anyone knows if this has already been done please let me know.”
TonyB
Re: Leif Svalgaard (19:45:00)
Leif, I think we will end up agreeing to disagree on this. I agree with your contention that scientifically correct is always better than hogwash. On the other hand, I also recognize that if the other guy is going to fight dirty, I had better as well or else I am going to lose. I don’t think it is fair to critique Ambler’s essay as if it had appeared in a science journal because it didn’t. The AGW advocates have Al Gore spouting his nonsense, and, well, I guess I don’t mind too much if someone with sceptical leanings spouts a little back at him. With the MSM having stonewalled anything that sounds the least bit anti-AGW, I view the printing of Ambler’s essay as a good sign, even if his claims were flawed. Hmm, maybe Dr. Roy Spencer should consider submitting an article to HuffPo.
I am a bit astonished at how authoritative the author of this piece chooses to be; it seems that a bit of hand-waving is all that is necessary to cool the earth back down again.
Look: I _liked_ what he says. It makes be feel comfortable and complacent. But while he criticizes the IPCC’s models, let’s ask, where are _his_ models? Where are _his_ detailed calculations of heat and vapor transport, adjusting the impact of GCRs on cloud formation, the release of CO2 from the seas as they warm (Really?! Did the IPCC models overlook something as obvious as this?? I don’t know, I haven’t looked, but I call bullshit on that.)
Everyone’s looking for a simple reason to ignore the possibility of global warming; it’s natural. Say, ‘absorption of infrared by CO2 is saturated, so no more global warming, QED’. But when you sit down and run the numbers, and look at how the rot-vib spectrum changes with temperature, guess what, absorption increases. That’s why you write flipping million-line computer codes, stupid.
So enough with the hand-waving already. I don’t think there _is_ a simple answer, this is a massively complicated system. Someone has to sit down and systematically compute the detailed models, and spend a couple of decades testing and refining them until they start to look reliable. And when people go to all that trouble, have the decency to listen with a bit of respect rather than put all your credulous faith in the flavor of the week just published some book – Sventsmark? – who’s got some pet theory with the answer you like and has cherry-picked the data to prove it.
Phil: your
Makes you wonder how the pH of carbonated drinks is 3.7?
Because of the partial pressure of the CO2 above the solution. At 2.5 atmospheres, the pH will indeed be lower, at 3.7.
Carbonic acid in solution, is in equilibrium with the CO2. The vast majority of CO2 stays as CO2, with very little of the CO2 converted to H2CO3.
Carbonic acid is an important BUFFER in blood. It keeps the pH in a narrow range.
Joseph (13:37:23) :
Leif, I think we will end up agreeing to disagree on this. I agree with your contention that scientifically correct is always better than hogwash. On the other hand, I also recognize that if the other guy is going to fight dirty, I had better as well or else I am going to lose.
He will lose in the end. And if we must, we’ll disagree. I find your argument morally reprehensible, but recognize that people have different moral and ethical standards and that my bar may be set too high for some.
dahduh (14:25:36) :
rather than put all your credulous faith in the flavor of the week
I agree with dahduh’s post. People are too often looking for the simply, easy answer, rather than recognizing that the problem is hard and possibly beyond them.
Leif agrees with dahduh who says:
Well, the problem from my perspective is that the IPCC and the AGW crowd look like they have come up with a bunch of post-hoc stuff to try to support their simplistic theory that it is all the fault of human produced CO2.
However, we know that there is more than order of magnitude more H2O in the atmosphere than water, and we know that CO2 levels were up to 30 times as large at times in the past and we never saw any thermal run-aways then.
Moreover temperatures around those of the MWP would be much more salubrious than those of today.
And it seems all it takes is a bit of handwaving to make people think there’s a catastrophe going on.
Roy Spencer puts those CO2 increases in perspective:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/01/50-years-of-co2-time-for-a-vision-test/
(And for the paranoid among, you can click on the link and see what it is all at the same time.)
The beginning of the end for Al. Obama should get off the Gore/Hansen bandwagon before it goes over the cliff.