How not to measure temperature, part 77: Surveying a weather station by watching JEOPARDY!

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Yes, you read the title correctly.

Sometimes I feel like a strange attractor for weather station chaos. Here I am at home tonight minding my own business, in my home office and I have the TV on. JEOPARDY comes on. Alex Trebek announces the categories…and I pay little attention until the last one is announced and he says “National Weather Service”. I practically got whiplash turning to look at the TV.  In 25 years of watching this TV program, that is a category I never expected to see.

Then to explain the category, up pops one of the “clue crew” people standing in front of the NWS office in Upton, New York, in the parking lot.

I didn’t hear a single word she said, because my eyes were transfixed on what was right behind her: a Stevenson Screen and MMTS just a couple of feet from the parking lot with the brick walls of the NWS office right behind it.

WTH!? Then it was gone.

I waited out the first round of JEOPARDY hoping to see more, but the contestants avoided the NWS category. Finally with nothing left they started into it. Then there it was again, the NWS station with visitor parking privileges.

After acing the category (the final answer was supercell) I decided to see if I could find this NWS office in Upton and maybe get a picture. I found that and more.

My first simple Google Image search found it right away, a photo taken during an open house on a Skywarn page:

MMTS and Stevenson Screen, NWS Office Upton NY
MMTS and Stevenson Screen, NWS Office Upton NY - Photo: Bergen Skywarn

It did show the proximity to the brick building, but it really didn’t tell the whole story of what I saw in the TV shot. What was funny was that in the JEOPARDY segment, the NWS employees had apparently done some “sprucing up” and had painted the legs of the shelter and the MMTS mount pole a blue color to match the logo color of the NWS emblem over the office door:

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Upton NY NWS office looking North - Photo: NWS

I found the above picture and the one below at the NWS Upton web page where they have a “virtual tour” of the facility. Here is another angle from the web page that shows the overall NWS complex, including the NEXRAD Doppler radar tower:

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Upton NY NWS office looking Northeast - Photo: NWS

Looking at the style of the automobiles, I’m guessing these photos were taken sometime in the early 90’s when this office was opened. What is interesting about these photos, besides the siting issues with proximity to parking and the building, is the fact that the Stevenson Screen door is facing SOUTH rather than the requisite north. The idea is to keep direct sunlight from hitting the thermometers when readings are taken.

I thought perhaps this station is purely a “figurehead” used for school tours, etc, but then I thought: “Why would they want to show it being done incorrectly?”. I checked the NCDC MMS meta-database to see if the station was active. Oddly I couldn’t find the right station in Upton in the database. Poking around again at the NWS Upton website I found out why: This used to be New York City’s station. It was once on top of the RCA building as I discovered from their virtual tour:

Dec. 28, 1960 to Oct. 24, 1993 RCA/GE Building

30 Rockefeller Center NY, NY

Mezzanine Level

Your National Weather Service office was located in midtown Manhattan on the mezzanine level of this building until October 25, 1993, when we relocated to our current site. The picture depicts the top of the building where our old radar was located (ball-shaped object). NOAA Weather Radio transmitters are also pictured and still reside atop 30 Rock.
Your National Weather Service office was located in midtown Manhattan on the mezzanine level of this building until October 25, 1993, when we relocated to our current site. The picture depicts the top of the building where our old radar was located (ball-shaped object). NOAA Weather Radio transmitters are also pictured and still reside atop 30 Rock.

Once knowing it was the NYC station and not “Upton”, I was able to find it in the NCDC MMS metadatabase and determine that indeed it is an active station. Fortunately it is listed as NOT being part of the climate network, and neither USHCN or GISS uses this station.

From the lat/lon posted there (40.86667 -72.86667 ) I was able to locate the station on Google Earth:

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Using the ruler tool - less than 4 meters from parking - Click for larger image

It turns out that the NWS Forecasts Office happens to be on the grounds of the Brookhaven National Laboratory, and the address is at 175 Brookhaven Ave, Upton, NY.

It seems that there is ample room in the grassy area in the rear to place a weather station, rather than putting it up front in the parking lot. A Microsoft Live maps image also shows the proximity issues up front and with the building.

Upton NY NWS office looking west - Click for live interactive image
Upton NY NWS office looking west - Click for live interactive image

Of course looking at this photo, it would now seem that the rear of the building might not be the best choice either with that bank of 5 a/c units back there. But it could find a site further away to the rear or perhaps cleared more trees.

Even if this station isn’t in the climate network,  it really does beg the question: why does the NWS blatantly flaunt flout their own 100 foot rule? Further, since this NWS Office is located on the grounds of the Brookhaven National Laboratory, wouldn’t you think they’d want to put their absolute best scientific foot forward?

Even is this station is only used to show school kids what a weather station looks like and how it is operated, why not do it right and show proper placement away from biases, proper door alignment on the screen, and explain why these things are important for proper measurements?

Or, maybe, these things aren’t important to the NWS at all.

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Sylvain
November 26, 2008 10:17 pm

Isn’t that much easier having than having field trips

deadwood
November 26, 2008 10:49 pm

Why should the teaching of weather be any more true to science than the curriculum for earth science or climate science in our schools?
Most teacher of science have very little actual science training today. Even a minor is not a prerequisite in WA state where I live. All you need is a core of 12 credits (I think) in undergrad earth sci. This includes many that would be classified as enviro-earth “science” courses, where the emphasis is on political issues rather than science.
The way science is taught is a recipe for failure in a world where science and engineering are the most imprtant ingredients for a vibrant economy.

November 26, 2008 11:19 pm

Obviously you’ve missed the point.
It’s a show station for school groups, and from what we’ve seen of the USHCN, they aren’t demonstrating the RIGHT way to measure temp, they’re demonstrating the TYPICAL way.

Alan Grey
November 26, 2008 11:55 pm

Anthony, you’ve made a huge mistake here….
The final answer was not ‘supercell’ but ‘what is a supercell?’
Lift your game 😉

Fred
November 27, 2008 12:10 am

From their point of view, “the debate is over”, so there is no longer a need to be accurate. Think of it as a museum artifact for show only.

Perry Debell
November 27, 2008 1:14 am

Serendipity jeopardy!!

November 27, 2008 1:22 am

Okay, you aced the NWS catagory, Anthony, but what about the Final Jeopardy question?
REPLY: Never heard it, my nose was burried in my laptop searching Google at the time. – Anthony

Perry Debell
November 27, 2008 1:24 am

This BBC report about science education deserves a few comments from the audience. Let’s be hearing from you all. For what its worth, I found the GCSE Chemistry papers from 4 years ago so simple that I was shocked.
Regards,
Perry

Perry Debell
November 27, 2008 1:25 am

So shocked was I, that I forgot the link.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7750717.stm

Jerry
November 27, 2008 1:40 am

“Flaunt” their 100′ rule?

kim
November 27, 2008 3:38 am

Excellent, Andy. It’s ‘flout’ not ‘flaunt’, but this is a common error coming into the language. You’ll be correct in another century.
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kim
November 27, 2008 3:41 am

Omigod, your error pales in comparison to mine, Anthony. It’s early, I haven’t had my coffee, and maybe I thought I was on DotEarth.
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kim
November 27, 2008 3:44 am

There’s an excellent reason for ‘flaunt’ coming to replace ‘flout’. It is usual to flout flauntily.
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kim
November 27, 2008 3:45 am

And this weather station is an excellent example. Woof!
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kim
November 27, 2008 3:48 am

They are flouting the regulation and flaunting their insouciance. Woof! Woof!
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kim
November 27, 2008 3:50 am

You did want to play Dictionary on this blessed day of games and feasts, didn’t you?
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November 27, 2008 4:43 am

Re #76 Oberlin
The siting of the pole was done by the “government guys” The curator implied, without directly stating, the site was determined by them. The pole was NOT sawed off. It broke. (I think he said the wind blew it over… but that may not be correct.) The curator propped it up and reported the break and prop to the “GG”, who said they would fix it.
The Oberlin curator, and most of the others i interviewed, emphasized the “government guys” have a lot of trouble finding Volunteer curators and sited the stations where they found someone willing to do the work. Volunteer may not be the correct term as one curator said he got $10 a month.
The Norton 9SSE (Kansas) curator had a station for 10 years at her farm. She bought a new farm and the “GG” moved it and sited it… where it has been for the last 15 years… a few feet south of a south facing wall at the new farm.
The sites at Anthony and Coldwater were similarly moved and sited while under the care of their present curators. Both ended up within a few feet of the homes of the curators.
Another site that I observed but did not photograph (at the request of the curator) had the MMTS pulled completely out of the ground and was held about 7 feet from the ground by two two-by-fours near the north wall of a garage. A check of the raw data record shows that site is still reporting data… perhaps waiting for the “GG” to come and re-site it.

Leon Brozyna
November 27, 2008 4:50 am

How apropos for the day — another turkey station.
Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Michael of Brisbane
November 27, 2008 4:54 am

From what I have seen so far Anthony almost every weather station you have looked at in the US has some fault. Either too low or too close to some heat source or something else that interferes with the correct reading of ground temperatures. I was wondering are there any weather stations in the US that do pass the test?
My second question is if the US has all these problems what is it like in other parts of the world. In particular in high population density countries like India, China and on the continent of Africa?

OLympus Mons
November 27, 2008 4:58 am
Jack Simmons
November 27, 2008 5:00 am

Someday, we will have a list of weather stations where things are done right.
Then we can take a look at what these correctly sited and managed stations have to say about climate change.
As to the others, do you think there is a possibility, however remote, of including the rehabilitation of our national network of weather stations as part of the administration’s effort to rebuild our infrastructure? I know it wouldn’t result in a whole lot of work but the pay back would be enormous.
Maybe people would learn to paint the boxes white instead of blue.

Matthew
November 27, 2008 5:12 am

Does Jim Hansen watch Jepardy too??
Since this station is incorrectly sited, I’m sure he would want to add it his list to use !!!!

Ed Hinton
November 27, 2008 5:23 am

I like the white car nearest the screen, backed in so the exhaust can head right for it.

Tom in Florida
November 27, 2008 5:34 am

Perhaps somone who lives nearby could photograph the disclaimer notice attached to the side of the equipment stating that this station is only a mock up for educational purposes and that real weathers stations are all sited in accordance with established protocol. I’m sure it has to be there somewhere.
REPLY: Oh, just wait till you see my next station. – Anthony

November 27, 2008 5:37 am

*LOL McMillan*…you, sir, are correct! Not the right way, but as Anthony has shown us over these 76 lessons, the ‘typical’ way to measure!
Quite amazing………
http://www.cookevilleweatherguy.com

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