Posted by Dee Norris
skep·tic
One who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions.
from Greek Skeptikos, from skeptesthai, to examine.

I have been reading a lot of the debates that inevitably follow any MSM story on Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW). In this story at the NewScientist, one of the comments stood out as a vivid example of the polarization that has developed between the those of us who are skeptical of AGW and those of us who believe in AGW.
By Luke
Fri Sep 12 19:15:22 BST 2008
The difference in response between skeptics and scientists is easily explained as the difference between inductive and deductive reasoning. Skeptics look for evidence to prove their conclusion and ignore any that does not fit what they believe. This makes it possible for them to believe in revealed religion and ignore anything that disputes it. I guess inductive reasoning can best be classified as deliberate ignorance. My condolences to practitioners of inductive thinking for your lack of logical ability. You don’t know what a pleasure it is to be able to think things through.
I was trained as a scientist from childhood. My parents recognized that I had a proclivity for the sciences from early childhood and encouraged me to explore the natural world. From this early start, I eventually went on to study Atmospheric Science back when global cooling was considered the big threat (actually the PDO had entered the warm phase several years earlier, but the scientific consensus had not caught up yet). One thing I learned along the way is that a good scientist is a skeptic. Good scientists examines things, they observe the world, then they try to explain why things behave as they do. Sometimes they get it right, somethings they don’t. Sometimes they get it as close as they can using the best available technologies.
I have been examining the drive to paint skeptics of AGW as non-scientists, as conservatives, as creationists and therefore as ignorant of the real science supporting AGW – ad hominem argument (against the man, rather than against his opinion or idea). Honestly, I have to admit that some skeptics are conservative, some do believe in creation and some lack the skills to fully appreciate the science behind AGW, then again I know agnostic liberals with a couple of college degrees who fully accept the theory of evolution and because they understand the science are skeptics of AGW. On the other hand, I have met a lot of AGW adherents who fully accept evolution, but have never read On The Origin of Species. Many of the outspoken believers in AGW are also dedicated foes of genetically modified organisms such as Golden Rice (which could prevent thousands of deaths due to Vitamin A deficiency in developing countries), yet they are unable to explain the significance of Gregor Mendel and the hybridization of the pea plant,
In his comment, Luke (the name has been changed to protect the innocent) attributes inductive reasoning to skeptics and deductive to scientists. Unfortunately, he has used inductive reasoning to draw general conclusions about skeptics based on his knowledge of a few individuals (or perhaps even none at all).
Skeptics are a necessary part of scientific discovery. We challenge the scientific consensus to create change. We examine the beliefs held by the consensus and express our doubts and questions. Skepticism prevents science from becoming morbid and frozen. Here are just a few of the more recent advances in science which initially challenged the consensus:
- The theory of continental drift was soundly rejected by most geologists until indisputable evidence and an acceptable mechanism was presented after 50 years of rejection.
- The theory of symbiogenesis was initially rejected by biologists but now generally accepted.
- the theory of punctuated equilibria is still debated but becoming more accepted in evolutionary theory.
- The theory of prions – the proteinaceous particles causing transmissible spongiform encephalopathy diseases such as Mad Cow Disease – was rejected because pathogenicity was believed to depend on nucleic acids now widely accepted due to accumulating evidence.
- The theory of Helicobacter pylori as the cause of stomach ulcers and was widely rejected by the medical community believing that no bacterium could survive for long in the acidic environment of the stomach.
As of today, the Global Warming Petition Project has collected over 31,000 signatures on paper from individuals with science-related college or advanced degrees who are skeptical of AGW. Someone needs to tell the AGW world that’s thirty-one thousand science-trained individuals who thought things through and became skeptics.
It was Cassandra who foretold the fall of mighty Troy using a gift of prophecy bestowed upon her by Apollo, Greek god of the Sun. So it would seem fitting that I assume her demeanor for just one brief moment –
- The theory of anthropogenic carbon dioxide as the cause of the latter 20th century warm period was widely accepted by the scientific consensus until it was falsified by protracted global cooling due to reductions in total solar irradiance and the solar magnetic field.
I am a skeptic and I am damn proud of it.
[The opinions expressed in this post are that of the author, Dee Norris, and not necessarily those of the owner of Watts Up With That?, Anthony Watts, who graciously allows me to pontificate here.]
In my humble opinion a good theory is never destroyed. It can be superseded, it can become dated, but if the theory describes the data , and only thus it can be called a solid theory, it will become a subset of a bigger/different theory.
Newton’s gravity has not become invalidated by general relativity; it has just become a limiting form of it. Even the epicycle theory has not been invalidated by the heliocentric system; it was just shown to be a complicated many parameter way of describing something much simpler with fewer parameters.
AGW fails as a theory because it does not describe the data. It is a virtual reality model.
What brazil84 said.
Inductive and deductive reasoning are both essential to science. And to history, I might add.
I can prove conclusively that 0.9-repeating equals 1exactly using either an inductive or deductive method.
The type of skepticism advanced on this site is an insult to the term. Any evidence that AGW might be a problem is dismissed after the most cursory of inspection. Any theory that might challenge AGW is accepted without much thought.
Any scientist who is not skeptical is not worthy of that title. “Luke” is so ignorant of the concept of skepticism that it’s pitiful. Even in religion a skeptic is one who does not accept dogma at face value. AGW has become nothing more than a secular religion, where any facts that do not support the dogma are ignored and any who question the dogma are vilified. Even those who are “lukewarmers” area considered heretics by the Carbonista’s if they don’t accept Gore’s pronouncements on catastrophic AGW.
The central premise, that may not even be at a conscious level, is that anything man does is harmful, ergo generating carbon dioxide must be harmful. It is just a matter of determining what that harm is. So there you have Dan above flacking another Mann study attempting to prove that his incompetent statistical methods gave the right answer, even though the results fly in the face of historical accounts (and other analyses) of the last 1000 years for the MWP and LIA. Only someone who is determined to believe AGW regardless of factual evidence to the contrary would accept this at face value as “proof”.
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Dan
Have you looked at Mann’s data? The raw data doesn’t seem to show a hockey stick but after some math, Stanley cup here we come! Check http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3601.
By the way, if you wanted further confirmation that Mann et al. are on the money with the hockey stick
Yet it is getting hashed on CA. So I would hold on the party for the moment. (The Mann “data screening” is coming under particular scrutiny.)
What stands out most to me is that Mann is simply flying in the face of the historical record.
Why did you change Jim’s name to Luke?
Reply – ‘Luke’ represents a stereotype of one of the mindsets in the current AGW skeptic vs. believer debate and I desired my post today to be about that mindset and not the poster himself. This way each of the subsequent comments that refer to ‘Luke’ are in fact addressing this mindset. – Dee Norris
The raw data doesn’t seem to show a hockey stick but after some math, Stanley cup here we come!
Mystery Math residing in the Tomb of the Undisclosed Algorithm.
The type of skepticism advanced on this site is an insult to the term. Any evidence that AGW might be a problem is dismissed after the most cursory of inspection. Any theory that might challenge AGW is accepted without much thought.
Do I detect a note of skepticism? (Beware tripping over your own induction.)
Hyonmin,
So what if it gets hashed on Climate Audit, Steve Milloy’s site, or [snip]?
I was just talking with my wife last night about one of our friends who lives an admirably green lifestyle. By admirable, I mean they put their money where their mouth is.
Only one small problem. Our friend was talking just yesterday about the benefits of driving less now that gas prices are so high, “… it reduces the hole in the ozone.”
I cringed at the sentence she spoke. It’s hard to give someone a lecture on the science when they try so hard to make a difference.
The point being… our schools need to emphasize being a sceptic a bit more than they do. So that atleast if you are going to change your lifestyle, the reason you are doing so makes sense.
Like any good engineer, I am, and will always be
a septic sceptic.
Unfortunately the unholy alliance between rabid enviromentalists,
sycophantic politicians, large politically-correct companies and morally
duplicit media is making the truth a very unfashionable commodity
these days.
Our best hope is an insanely cold winter to finally put the first nails
in the AGWs’ coffin.
So what if it gets hashed on Climate Audit, Steve Milloy’s site, or [snip]?
The pedigree of the hash itself is more important than that of the cook. (And that Briffa “Mystery Meat” is getting a little rank.)
Where and by whom it gets hashed is secondary.
Also, why is it that the majority of the crowd refuses to see this sham (the Petition Project) for what it is? Were they skeptical over the link between cigarettes and cancer too? My bet is yes.
Brava!
A great read. I enjoyed the links.
And I thoroughly enjoy your pluck.
Evanjones,
What pedigree? You mean Stephen McIntyre’s. Hahahaha. McIntyre, good pedigree of credibility?! Now that’s funny.
Also, why is it that the majority of the crowd refuses to see this sham (the Petition Project) for what it is?
It is what it is. Unless the names and/or degrees are faked, how would it be a “sham”?
Were they skeptical over the link between cigarettes and cancer too? My bet is yes.
It is one thing for an interested party to fund research. It is another thing entirely to alter the results, as in the case of the tobacco companies.
I don’t suppose it’s relevant to point out that the (correct) connection between cigarettes and lung cancer was originally arrived at by inductive means?
Evanjones,
It is what it is. Unless the names and/pr degrees are faked, how would it be a “sham”?
Guess you missed my first comment.
You mean Stephen McIntyre’s. Hahahaha. McIntyre, good pedigree of credibility?! Now that’s funny.
He doesn’t do the science. He audits the statistics. And unlike Mann, he does it out in the open with full disclosure.
Mann et al. won’t disclose their methods or even all their data. That, by definition, means that whatever they are doing, correct or not, isn’t science.
Mann et al. won’t disclose their methods or even all their data. That, by definition, means that whatever they are doing, correct or not, isn’t science.
[snip] You don’t get published without sharing methodology with the reviewers.
Oh, you mean they don’t share it with the general public? Again, so what?
So, whatever is is or is not, by definition it isn’t science. That’s what.
Peer review doesn’t cut it. (Especially regarding any item of controversy and especially these days. Obviously.)
Independent review is a sine qua non.
I am a little surprised that you could say “so what”? The day that the skeptics refuse to disclose is the day I’ll start seriously doubting their honesty.
Evanjones,
Sure, PNAS is a helpless journal promoting pseudoscience, and Stephen McIntyre is a credible “auditor” of science.
LOL
Thanks for the laugh.
Okay, you edited your comment to say:
Peer review doesn’t cut it. (Especially regarding any item of controversy and especially these days. Obviously.) Independent review is a sine qua non.
You know, if it were one isolated study, or one source for proxy-based reconstruction, I’d say you’re absolutely correct. But here we’re talking about data that matches between tree-rings, corals, ice cores, historical records and marine sediments, all independently and corroborating.
So no, you appear to be full of “junk science” B.S.
I didn’t say what it was. I said what it wasn’t.
And without independent review, science it ain’t.
Thanks for the laugh.
Always pleased to have been the conveyor of joy to a fellow world citizen.