Guest essay by Eric Worrall
According to The Guardian, having children is a moral dilemma, if you are concerned about Climate Change. But does the author really believe that the future is going to be such a bleak and horribly place, or is he simply rationalising a personal decision not to have lots of kids, in terms of his “environmental conscience”?
Does climate change make it immoral to have kids?
Bringing children into a disintegrating environment used to be a theoretical fear. Now it’s a very real one.
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The awfulness seems to be getting worse, especially now that climate change has sped up – sea level rise that was supposed to take centuries has recently been projected as taking just decades. This complicates the already difficult decision of whether to have a kid.
We’re living through what scientists call the “Sixth Extinction”, an era of precipitous decline in the number of species able to live on the planet. The last mass extinction, the fifth, happened 66 million years ago, when a giant asteroid crashed into Earth and 76% of all the species on the planet perished.
This time, we’re doing it to ourselves.
“Climate scientists agree that humanity is about to cause a sea level rise of 20 or 30ft, but they have tended to assume that such a large increase would take centuries, at least,” the New York Times’s Justin Gillis reported. But a recent study led by retired Nasa climate scientist James E Hansen, published in Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics, indicates that the negative effects are happening a lot faster than we’d thought, perhaps feet of rise within the next 50 years.
“That would mean loss of all coastal cities, most of the world’s large cities and all their history,” Hansen told Gillis, adding, “We’re in danger of handing young people a situation that’s out of their control.”
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Was I complicit in the damage? I remember every extra paper towel I’ve ever unspooled from the roll, and think about a tree falling in the Amazon, and then think about my son growing up in a gray, dying world – walking towards Kansas on potholed highways. Maybe while trying to protect his own son, like the father in The Road. Will he decide to have a kid? I have foisted upon him a decision even more difficult than my own. It’s all very depressing.
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People who truly believe that most of their children won’t survive, tend to respond by having lots of children. The fact that this primal urge to procreate appears to be largely missing, in the face of what greens claim is an existential threat, makes me wonder just how much people who say such things truly believe in what they are saying.
There seems to be a growing disconnect, a rising tendency for people to give lip service to green causes, but not to practice what they preach. I know a kid who gets deeply upset about rubbish in the school garden – her teachers have taught her that dropping rubbish on the ground kills all the sweet little animals. But its not the rubbish on the ground which most upsets her – its the fact that the teachers aren’t out there every evening, ensuring all those little animals are safe, by meticulously picking up all the rubbish.
The messages are still flowing, but the sincerity seems to have gone.
Update (EW) – David Hoffer points out that the author ultimately comes down on the side of having kids. … perhaps someone who is not yet born, perhaps not yet conceived, is the one super-genius to figure out the invention that could save the planet? … There’s always maybe. And that’s enough to persevere for.
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This is all so remarkable. NOTHING IS HAPPENING OUT OF THE ORDINARY and these people are having kittens over it, panicking at every turn, drumming it into the kids they DO have to be scared of every shadow, of every thought and every human act. Never mind the environment, how do they survive living like THAT? Sheesh!
I wonder whether doom and gloom could be a factor of failing school levels.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all. What’s to strive for if the teachers tell you “scientists” are certain you will fry in a hostile world before you reach adult years? It probably has a lot to do with the suicide rate too. Doom-mongering is criminal in my eyes. Proof should be mandatory. The moment a “scientist” refuses to show his work, he’s lying and should be held in that regard.
I don’t think we yet appreciate just what a “national treasure” we have in Dave Bry. Don’t believe me? Then please google the term: “Dave Bry column opinion Guardian”.
First off, you’ll observe a glamour-shot photo of Dave that is just too good to be true! I mean, like, this guy is the very picture–a once-in-a-lifetime big-score for central casting, I’m talkin’, here–of your basic, standard-issue, New York (City) nerd: a self-identified “hippie” (though judging my Dave’s picture, I doubt he was around within even a decade of the 60’s); a self-absorbed whiny-geekball; and a worry-wart doom-butt–of passing interest only because in some zany moment of crazed-inspiration (or more probably at the promptings of some sort of hack-work demonic-possession (be honest, doesn’t that picture of Dave absolutely convince you, dear reader, that he is fully capable of spinnin’ his head through 360 degrees?)), Dave decided to reduce the gibberings of his spastic-dork, blabbermouth inner-monologues to writing, which he then, in turn, made available for public consumption, in a column appearing in one of the planet’s leading, lefty-puke publications. (My theory being that “The Guardian” has taken Dave Bry’s column on as a laughing-at-you-not-with-you, big-joke, funny-foreigner entertainment-curio (“The Guardian” being a hive-bozo mouth-piece of the dry-writ, Brit persuasion). Which works, I gotta admit.)
But let’s not dwell further on Dave’s mutant-weirdo personal qualities, but rather let us turn to his most recent columns:
-“Valentine’s Days are a setup for heartbreak” is the title of Dave’s masterpiece, if, that is, you can suspend your disbelief sufficiently to imagine this guy actually scoring a date–a pretty challenging “if”, I know.
-Perhaps you are wondering, dear reader, just what it is that Dave is referring to, in the topside blog-post, when he imagines his son walking along a potholed Kansas road, like in “The Road” (huh? is this a movie? a novel? one of those many screenplays that Dave must surely have worked-up, over the years, and then squirreled away after multiple rejections began to grossly affect his emotional state? or what?). If so, then please be advised that Dave provides the answer in his column about the dooms-day clock:: “The Road is a post apocalyptic novel that tells the story of a father wandering the remains of the American east coast, trying to keep his son alive while most of society has descended into rape and cannibalism and human farming….People often say that The Road is super-depressing, but I find great joy in it.” GOOD STUFF!!!
-And in the column, “Thanks to climate change, the future looks awfully warm–and itchy”, Dave further explores climate-change. In particular, Dave’s column opens, sanely enough, with a personal account of an unpleasant itch, caused by a mosquito-bite to the bridge of his nose, but then gets progressively more whip-lash mad-house as Dave recounts the “10 or so nights” in which he was “pushed beyond sanity [Dave’s words, not mine] by the buzzing and biting [of some one or another pesky mosquito]”, so that Dave is left in a “bleary fugue-state” by “the panic, the itching, the maddening frustration of fruitless search [for the offending blood-sucker]…I was at the end of my rope…’This is worse than the Holocaust’, I said…” Only ol’ Dave doesn’t sound (to moi, at least) like he’s kiddin’ around with all this, but rather like he’s genuinely serious about the whole deal, and everything. Really! Check it out! See for yourself!
Lost more great fun, like the above, to be had in Dave’s columns–Enjoy!
And, oh by the way, just remember that Dave belongs to the gene-pool from which our Philosopher Kings and Queens are whelped. Scary stuff!
I’ll bet real money it’s a factor in young people’s depression and high suicide rate.
Re: “NOTHING IS HAPPENING OUT OF THE ORDINARY”
What? But up until about a decade ago, I hardly ever saw a mobile phone video of destructive extreme weather events. And yet now we get to see some startling catastrophe from somewhere in the world almost every other day.
So, explain that with your so-called “science” hat on, Mr Cleverclogs.
And “sheesh” back to you times 100… (sarc)
But up until about a decade ago, I hardly ever saw a mobile phone video of destructive extreme weather events. And yet now we get to see some startling catastrophe from somewhere in the world almost every other day.
…up to a decade ago there weren’t any mobile phones with video capability…
Entire communities were wiped out and no one heard about it.
Google Banqiaou dam….
Hi Leo – I think that’s indefatigablefrog’s point. Like I said, nothing’s happening out of the ordinary. Except mobile phones with video capability – of course. 🙂
“I hardly ever saw a mobile phone video of destructive extreme weather events.”
That was because there were hardly any Internet-connected mobile phones.
Sheesh!
Save the planet for the children by having no children. Logic!
STUPID PEOPLE SHOULDN’T BREED. Which about covers The Guardian’s intended audience.
John Silver
April 3, 2016 at 3:16 am
…………………Logic!
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As mad as it is bad…………literally…….
cheers
Silver – Yes, this is their message exactly. The Progressives always have, as their ultimate goal, total control over the populace. This is almost always in the form of getting to decide who has kids, and how many, and who does not have kids.
The argument made time and again, in the modern era largely beginning with the catastrophism of Nukelar Scientist Harrison Brown, is that we need to severely control our population through top-down means – some combo of a group of elitist intellectuals and the government, or else some catastrophe – plague, weather, drought, famine, etc., will kill off most of us.
Well, how about we just let nature carry out this hypothetical catastrophe instead of bringing it on ourselves, early and according to however these elitist intellectuals decide is most optimal?
[It is interesting that they have also long ago cooked up Plan B: when Earth has to be abandoned, we will colonize the Moon or Mars.]
One of my greatest joys in life, is listening to leftists proclaim how they aren’t going to have any kids.
NOTHING IS HAPPENING OUT OF THE ORDINARY
“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
H. L. Mencken
“When the velocity of progress increases beyond a certain point, it becomes indistinguishable from crisis.”
― Owen Barfield, Night Operation
Well that kid above sure is out of the ordinary and if that’s what comes of climate change……..
Well climate change CCMMGWCAUCC does make it immoral to fly intercontinentally on aeroplanes.
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Actually as the update points out it’s just another justification for boffing boffins, or perhaps one could say boffins boffing…
You know what I mean.
Exactly, Seems this poor fool actually reads, and then believes what he reads in his organ, the Guardian. Most sane people just laugh at it.
We’re living through what scientists call the “Sixth Extinction”, an era of precipitous decline in the number of species able to live on the planet.
Pretty remarkable really. Just how do you get yourself to this state?
The whole piece is just one green ‘factoid’ after another.
30 years ago we worried about nuclear holocaust. I’m not sure worrying about an expensive house on Venice beach being flooded in the next few decades is likely to cause many folks to decide to end it all. But then, I’m applying logic to a group of folks who decide by emoting, so what do I know?
“Does climate change make it immoral to have kids?”
Pose that question to the Muslim nations – wait for the laughter.
Yes. the Islamic State has declared World War III and they intend to win it with their birth rate.
I note that as prepare to click on the [Post Comment] button, yours is the only post out of 80 that touches on that.
Give me a break. Humans are natural. We did not will ourselves into existence. We grew from the very same protoplasm as the Archea. The conceit of alarmists is to believe we are a culmination. We are definitely not. We evolved an astonishing capacity to understand (so far) maybe 5% of how our weird planet works. It would be insane to even guess what proportion of our weird universe we understand.
That Archean protoplasm kicked and scratched and titrated the crust of our planet. So will we. So must we.
Having kids is not a moral choice, it is a natural duty. A duty to perpetuate the force that brought us here.
Duty to who?
Duty to nature.
So I guess homosexuality must be anti-nature, lol…
Don’t discourage them. If they don’t have children, their religion (the worship of Gaia) will die out. It is sort of like the Shakers. They were a Christian sect that believed sex was so immoral none of their members should ever have it. They made a lot of really nice furniture, but they made no Shakers. Nothing remains but antique furniture. Too bad the greenies don’t make nice furniture. There will be nothing left of them in a couple of generations.
There was a great article about this in the economist 5 years ago written by Phil Longman, a demographer, author of The Empty Cradle.
Liberals reproduce at about 1.3 children per couple. Conservatives at about 2.3 children per couple. (according to my memory of the article) It isn’t hard to see where this is going EXCEPT… the liberals run the schools and universities and are in the business of destroying your childrens’ minds.
Liberal don’t reproduce. They steal your kids and fill theirs minds with filth.
Paul Westhaver
April 2, 2016 at 9:12 pm wrote:
“Liberal don’t reproduce. They steal your kids and fill theirs minds with filth.”
And Liberals also import new Liberals from abroad. They don’t need to have children to carry on their Liberal legacy, they just get a bunch of needy/greedy immigrants and promise them the moon if they vote Democrat.
“If they don’t have children, their religion (the worship of Gaia) will die out”
Ever heard of horizontal gene transfer?
only as a retrovirus
“Ever heard of horizontal gene transfer?”
One of many possible positions! 😉
After my great grandfather committed suicide and killed his wife, my grandmother was adopted by her grand aunts who were Shaker women. So she grew up on a Shaker farm, riding bare back, having adventures and all the women there were her ‘mother’ and she told me years later, it was pure heaven.
“committed suicide and killed his wife,”
Time machine???
I don’t understand why the Guardian article’s author is even questioning having children. This was settled by climate change experts 7 years ago.
“Under current conditions in the United States, for example, each child adds about 9441 metric tons of carbon dioxide to the carbon legacy of an average female, which is 5.7 times her lifetime emissions.”
Oregon State’s Murtaugh and Schlax, “Reproduction and the carbon legacies of individuals,” Global Environmental Change 19 (2009) 14-20.
What is most amazing is, liberals saying all this also say we must let in Muslim and Catholic illegal aliens who have many children!
Well without THOSE votes they would rarely win anything. Just shows how crippled they are.
They shouldn’t have kids. They should stop living off the grid. They should become nomads and form villages/communes in the wilderness or desert and live under the stone age principles that would save the world.
…But a recent study led by retired Nasa climate scientist James E Hansen, published in Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics, indicates that the negative effects are happening a lot faster than we’d thought, perhaps feet of rise within the next 50 years…”That would mean loss of all coastal cities, most of the world’s large cities and all their history,” Hansen told Gillis…
“Feet of rise” over the next 50 years would “mean loss of all coastal cities, most of the world’s large cities” ??????????????
How can Hansen actually say stuff like that, and how can people keep believing it? Even an overnight “feet of rise” would not “mean loss of all coastal cities, most of the world’s large cities,” etc. 50 years is plenty of time to plan/adapt.
This exists only in the realm of pure fantasy. Hansen has been making these claims for the best part of three decades. Whilst the most reliable long-term measure of sea level – coastal tidal gauges, show absolutely no significant change from the long term trend observable from the 1930’s.
Fear inducing SLR acceleration can only be conjured from a magic hat by manipulating satellite data using unproven models intended to reproduce the Glacial Isostatic Rebound.
GIA model adjustments are popular precisely because they allow modern measures to be uprated.
But, meanwhile the coastal gauges fail to show the claimed acceleration leading any reasonable observer to conclude that the GIA adjustments are flawed and that SLR acceleration is pure myth and hype.
In the place called reality – where most of us live – it does not exist.
“Hansen has been making these claims for the best part of three decades.”
Ah! Maybe that explains it. Three decades and nothing has come of it yet. That’s enough to make anyone depressed, but only if you found catastrophe exciting and wanted it to happen. That’s the other thing about these guys and gals – they get depressed when told it’s not happening and cheer for joy when they concoct computer code that supports their program that the end of the world is nigh.
(May I say “Sheesh” again?). 🙂
Climate Change Catastrophe Theatre is very profitable for everyone involved (except taxpayers).
50 feet, huh? Woo-hoo! I’m about to have waterfront property . . . value just went WAY up!
“Time” yes. Money, no. Not if you are spending large amounts of it to change the weather.
“and all of that history” like the age of enlightenment and the industrial revolution! The triumph of reason kneecapped by utilitarians, sophists, and Jeremy Bentham.
The climate change alarmists should be held responsible for all the mental health problems they’ve created.
Yeah, CAGW+SLR+GIA+ARGO+TOPEX+NOAA+NASA+HADCRU+RSS+SST = ADHD+PTSD
(I’m sure that another minute of recollection of acronyms could double the length of that list!!!)
You left out APP. Anthropoieophobia, the fear of anything Man does.
And BANANA.
Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone.
Start the ‘rock, paper, scissors’ games now amongst the shrinks. The worst loser gets Lewserandowsky and Cook for patients.
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The awfulness seems to be getting worse, especially now that climate change has sped up – sea level rise that was supposed to take centuries has recently been projected as taking just decades. This complicates the already difficult decision of whether to have a kid.
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Is this person alive and living on this beautiful planet. They need help
No, they are living on a completely different planet. They still need help, though.
Unfortunately the watermelon memes replicate better than watermelon genes.
Bringing children into a disintegrating environment used to be a theoretical fear. Now it’s a very real one for green belivers.
johann wundersamer,
Unfortunately, it’s not theoretical, it is real and they’re taking themselves and their kids out.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1254619/Baby-girl-survives-shot-chest-parents-global-warming-suicide-pact.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/7344329/Baby-survives-parents-global-warming-suicide-pact.html
This is disgusting and should be prosecutable. Being green means never having to accept responsibility.
Well to be fair, crazy people will be crazy. Most of them aren’t that nuts.
Yeah, it is quite perplexing to witness how the same leftists who, here in Europe, are advocating responsible family planning, low growth and low consumption – are precisely the same people who are advocating importing the population of several countries where women typically have upwards of five or six children.
Syria, surprisingly, had, until recently, the seventh highest population growth rate in the world.
The problem of Syria’s burgeoning population was widely discussed in MSM, up until the point where instabilty and youth unemployment and discontent lead to revolution and war.
The problem faced by countries with rapidly growing young populations can not be discussed. Nor can family planning. For fears, I suppose of comparisons to the extremely foolish eugenics policies of former dictators.
So we have areas of the world in which the population is rapidly expanding, leading to social unrest and poverty, leading to migration. And consequently these people will bring their culture and preference for unbridled baby production with them to the west.
This, in the eyes of leftists is beyond reproach.
Just as they criticize intolerance and then import intolerant cultures, they also criticize irresponsible breeding and then import irresponsible breeders.
Sadly, for the quiet and responsible europeans, we are now on the losing side of a breeding war.
The most rapidly expanding population will win by numerical expansion and dominate the minority natives.
The liberal loons will have finally created the total destruction of the tolerant liberal society that they purportedly craved.
Equally mysterious, is the observable fact that the same progressives who rail against growth were consistently opposed to the Chinese one child policy, and expressed delight at its recent suspension.
They are not too brilliant at consistently applying principles or logic!!!
And in the next few decades they and all bystanders are going to be victims of the disaster that they have overseen.
It’s too late to save Europe now. Short of a civil war and deportation – we are headed towards majority islam and all the joys which that will bring.
That’s the most politically incorrect thing I’ve seen all day. And I get up early.
Problem: South and Central America
Solution: Import hordes of horny Catholic Spanish Missionary-Men
Result: Hispanic Race
Language: Spanish and Portuguese
Religion: Catholicism
Problem: Europe
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Yeah, the Pope is pro-growth.
Sadly for the Vatican, many of the people of South America have now discovered the merits of contraception.
Which is why so much of the churches energies are directed toward Africa and the Philippines – where 14 year olds can still start a career in pushing out new slum dwellers.
Of course, now these populations need us to give them lots of money to cope with “climate change”.
And the Pope thinks that’s a brilliant idea. Obviously.
It is so much warmed-over Paul Ehrlich and the Population Bomb. One must remember that the green blob is a mass movement, a term used first to describe the rise of fascism and communism. They do tend to have their own orthodoxy, however strange.
Spot on. Ehrlich grossly underestimated modern agriculture’s ability to produce and feed. And Hans Rosling has completely defused the population bomb by demonstrating very nicely that empowered women free of excess child mortality with modern infrastructure naturally choose to have a number of children close to the replacement rate.
1. Bring the entire 7 billion population access to electric grids and nuclear power (LFTR ASAP).
2. Ensure that women have the right to choose.
3. On to the next problem.
+10,000 “On to next problem”…like the colonization and economic exploitation of space…we’ll need lots of highly skilled workers and engineers operating from sound science to do that!
The birth rate is already falling w/o CAGW hysteria.
Maybe it’s CAGW believers who shouldn’t have kids. That would help solve the real problem.
If they don’t breed it would be great for humanity by thinning the stupid from the gene pool .
I get the feeling this isn’t about THEM not having kids, it’ll be about the REST OF US not having kids. They’re holier-than-thou, sacred, born to rule and all that. They get all the good stuff, we get to to what we’re told. If they can build enough guilt they can bring in a law making it illegal to procreate. They’d love that! “Out, evil humans! Out I say!”
How horrible it must be to be alive and not appreciate it. How sad to hate your own species. Imagine seeing only nightmares and never the world’s beauty. How sobbingly awful it must be to wait each day for catastrophe to hit.
Every day must be infinitely painful to the true believer of CAGW.
I get the same feeling. I think it comes from the fact that these climate alarmists refuse to turn off their own air conditioning, refuse to stop flying on private jets to climate conferences, and refuse to do anything at all to lower their OWN carbon footprint. They just want the REST OF US to lower ours.
These people consider themselves to be elites who will inherit the earth after most of us are gone. (They won’t kill off all of us because they’ll still need some serfs to boss around and do the hard labor they need to continue the lifestyle they’re accustomed to.)
Yes. It’s all about controlling the masses.
my teen years were messed up bigtime BY the schools allowing the Hansens and ehrlichs ideology to be presented as fact
running out of food water fuel etc
dont have kids its overpopulated and theyll have a miserable life
so i dont have kids…
ive missed out on a lot, as i see those around me with their now grown kids and grandkids
I have hounds instead, and have had 40+yrs of love of -and from- them, but the heartbreak of losing them over and over again..unlike the lifetime you get with kids..if youre lucky.
nothing to strive for, no one to leave what you have to in the hope they take it and improve upon it.
id cheerfully strangle hansen ehrlich and the rest of the lying mongrel bast**ds for their part in mindgaming kids like I was.
and theyre still doing it which enrages me more!
I’d recommend that you should stop blaming others for your decisions. It will be the first step to your redemption…
JMHO
Janus100 wake up! The greens and their ilk are doing real damage and have been influencing kids down a false path for years through guilt and manipulation. The greens and their ilk blame healthy societies for all the world’s ills – most of them imaginary – and the moment anyone points out their damage, the greens turn their backs and refuse responsibility. I suppose you’ve got kids so have no idea what Ozspeaksup is talking about. What a cruel response you gave! Think about that.
This an answer to A.D.E.
I wa brought up in communist is Czechoslovakia and as such exposed to much more intense propaganda than genes can dream of. Neither me nor any of my childhood and youthhood buddies believed a single word we heard from the media or teachers.
Mid you we were tha second generation under communism. Our parent,s generation believed the BS more than us.
At any rate, ozspekup,s decision is his own. Blaming it on propandists is a bit cheap escape though self-victimization process.
JMHO
“Will he decide to have a kid? I have foisted upon him a decision even more difficult than my own. It’s all very depressing.”
Well, I vote for ending the line as soon as possible.
Imagine if his son is still young enough to be malleable, jeeze, think of the damage this is guy is doing to the kid that is already hamstrung by his poor genetic bearing.
What? I’d be really happy, if my dad had been the creator of the Muppets.
Oh no wait…I was thinking of Jim Henson. My bad.
Yeah, you meant Jim Hansen. The one who actually is a muppet!!!
Eric, Eric… (shakes head). Questions about “morality” are for the rest of us great unwashed masses. Climate alarmists are exempt from all such concerns. They sail an entire ship to Brazil for a 20-person party, or they own and fly a jetliner around the world, or use enough electricity to power a complete African country. It’s only the likes of us who are supposed to have no kids, starve, and go without light at night. It’s all so obvious, if you look at the world through the CAGW reality distortion prism…
Of course greens should reproduce. When disaster strikes, who else are we going to use to make organic soylent green without having to add unhealthy artificial dyes to make it green?
I’m sure children can adjust to high tides being a little higher better than their idiotic parents who can’t handle a few mm more.
/sarc.
You know how every generation thinks they are smarter than their parents? Well with this one I can understand it.
They have the Internet, so they ‘know’ everything.
Have computer, don’t have to think.
The immorality trip once more?
Only if they’re raised to eat whale as dat’s sinful and unrighteous,
So no ‘Like’ button for you!
“… There seems to be a growing disconnect, a rising tendency for people to give lip service to green causes, but not to practice what they preach. …”
It’s just political correctness, this is what I said in the recent whale ‘immorality’ post:
“… All this talk of morality about killing and eating an abundance of whales is just so much political correctness and hypocrisy, masquerading as a faux-morality. …”
Talk of immorality surrounding human reproduction is just as warped and hypocritical, just as tawdry.
It’s OK for them to live … but it’s ‘immoral’ for another human generation to be borne?
How can I take such hypocritical self-centered greenie intellectual drool, ‘seriously’?
Eric – I think you unfairly represented the article, which I read in full. Yes the guy is an idiot, but the last paragraphs in his article completely change the over all message. The last sentences in fact read:
There’s always maybe. And that’s enough to persevere for.
And, from earlier in the article:
Still, I come down on the side of advocating reproduction.
davidmhoffer,
That’s because he’s a horndog and doesn’t have the confidence of his convictions (and he’s trying to stack the deck in his favor).
/sarc, just in case.
Hi David, fair point, I snipped the original article a bit too much… :-).
Hi Eric. I think it still boils down to – “We shouldn’t have kids. No wait. Maybe some of us should.” Somewhere on a deeper level (where guilt is built in individual hearts) this is setting up an argument for mandatory birth control. That’s my take on it all anyway.
The message I hear is: “Things are so bad now, if we can’t or won’t slash CO2, we have to slash our number. It’s the responsible thing to do.”
These bleeding hearts will then decide who gets to breed and who doesn’t. Hint: They want to take away people’s cars and limit their airplane use, but look who continue to have big cars and fly all over the world, not to mention mansions by the sea and massive carbon footprints. The few to have kids will be carefully chosen from the elite.
It’s a wet dream maybe, but still a dream of control and they’re generating as much guilt as they can in an attempt to get there.
If you believe there are far to many humans on earth and the planet has a fever then by all means stop having kids . It hasn’t stopped Susuki or many scary global warming preachers but they never said they were role models did they .
I think its immoral for AGW believers to reproduce.
Not that they would be capable, with their manic depression syndrome.
Very wrong to bring someone else into the world when we are all going to either fry or drown !!
“…the negative effects are happening a lot faster than we’d thought, perhaps feet of rise within the next 50 years.”
Most of the well-known alarmists, like Hansen, who are making these predictions won’t be alive in 50 years to explain why they were so wrong. But those who are still around will most likely pull a Harold Camping and claim their predictions of doom were correct; they just got the date wrong. Like Camping, they will always believe the end of the world is nigh. The difference is, they believe it is man, not God, who will end it.
Anthropogenic Climate Change Alarmism makes it utterly immoral to read the Guardian, IMHO.