Arguments between climate skeptics (or whatever the hell we’re calling them now) and their opponents very frequently devolve into hypertechnical squabbles over particular scientific issues like sea surface temperatures or Milankovitch cycles (don’t ask).
Generally speaking, this is a Bad Thing. Technical scientific disputes are of limited interest the general public — especially technical disputes litigated with great partisan venom. A discussion dominated by such disputes just causes most people to tune out entirely. What’s more, it creates the illusion that the validity of climate science hinges on how these squabbles are resolved. It doesn’t.
Mr. Roberts actually denied the scientific method prior to making his first point. Science is the process of formulating systematic explanations (hypotheses) for observations, then testing and upholding or falsifying those hypotheses. Science is not about formulating slogans that non-scientists can “tune in” to.
1) Climate science represents a convergence of evidence
Why do so many scientists and scientific organizations accept that climate change is real, human-caused, and dangerous?
It’s not because of any single line of evidence or any one prediction. Rather, says Shermer, “there is a convergence of evidence from multiple lines of inquiry — pollen, tree rings, ice cores, corals, glacial and polar ice-cap melt, sea-level rise, ecological shifts, carbon dioxide increases, the unprecedented rate of temperature increase — that all converge to a singular conclusion.” Scientists call this sort of convergence of independent lines of evidence “consilience.” Biologist E.O. Wilson wrote a very good book about it.
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Mr. Roberts appears to think that the initial observations are the test of the hypothesis. If he knew the least little bit about the scientific method, he would grasp the fact that his version of consilience is nothing more than plain silliness. In the oil patch, we refer to this sort of consilience as “arm waving.”
The “consilience” of rising atmospheric CO2 and various bits of evidence of warming over the past 500 years does not converge on the conclusion that rising CO2 is the cause of the warming. This is what the scientific method dictates that you have to test and verify. Platitudes (citations of Arhenius) are not tests. The claim that CO2 is a greenhouse gas; therefore increasing atmospheric concentrations should cause unquantified warming – is not a test… It isn’t even a scientific hypothesis.
A scientific hypothesis would go something like this…
A doubling of atmospheric CO2 from 280 to 560 ppmv will cause the bulk temperature of the lower atmosphere to rise by 3.5 (±1.5) °C .
Then, climate scientists (whatever the hell we’re calling them now) would devise methods of testing this hypothesis. Since, as Admiral Titley pointed out in his Senate testimony, “There is no Planet B”… Without a control planet, we can pretty well rule out an empirical experiment. The only way to test the hypothesis is to observe changes in atmospheric CO2 and temperature over time and see how well (or poorly) the changes conform to the hypothesis.
With nearly 30 years of climate model failures under their belts, climate scientists (whatever the hell we’re calling them now) have ample data with which to test such a hypothesis.
But….
The troposphere has not warmed as fast as almost all climate models predict.
To illustrate this last problem, we show several plots below. Each of these plots has a time series of TLT temperature anomalies using a reference period of 1979-2008. In each plot, the thick black line is the measured data from RSS V3.3 MSU/AMSU Temperatures. The yellow band shows the 5% to 95% envelope for the results of 33 CMIP-5 model simulations (19 different models, many with multiple realizations) that are intended to simulate Earth’s Climate over the 20th Century. For the time period before 2005, the models were forced with historical values of greenhouse gases, volcanic aerosols, and solar output. After 2005, estimated projections of these forcings were used. If the models, as a whole, were doing an acceptable job of simulating the past, then the observations would mostly lie within the yellow band. For the first two plots (Fig. 1 and Fig 2), showing global averages and tropical averages, this is not the case. Only for the far northern latitudes, as shown in Fig. 3, are the observations within the range of model predictions.
Fig. 1. Global (80S to 80N) Mean TLT Anomaly plotted as a function of time. The thick black line is the observed time series from RSS V3.3 MSU/AMSU Temperatures. The yellow band is the 5% to 95% range of output from CMIP-5 climate simulations. The mean value of each time series average from 1979-1984 is set to zero so the changes over time can be more easily seen. Note that after 1998, the observations are likely to be below the simulated values, indicating that the simulation as a whole are predicting too much warming.
The models have not only been wrong, they are getting “wronger” over time…
Global mean surface temperature over the past 20 years (1993–2012) rose at a rate of 0.14 ±0.06 °C per decade (95% confidence interval)1. This rate of warming is significantly slower than that simulated by the climate models participating in Phase 5 of the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project (CMIP5).
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The inconsistency between observed and simulated global warming is even more striking for temperature trends computed over the past fifteen years (1998–2012). For this period, the observed trend of 0.05 ±0.08 °C per decade is more than four times smaller than the average simulated trend of 0.21 ±0.03 °C per decade (Fig. 1b). It is worth noting that the observed trend over this period — not significantly different from zero — suggests a temporary ‘hiatus’ in global warming2–4. The divergence between observed and CMIP5-simulated global warming begins in the early 1990s, as can be seen when comparing observed and simulated running trends from 1970–2012 (Fig. 2a and 2b for 20-year and 15-year running trends, respectively).The evidence, therefore, indicates that the current generation of climate models (when run as a group, with the CMIP5 prescribed forcings) do not reproduce the observed global warming over the past 20 years, or the slowdown in global warming over the past fifteen years.
The true “consilience” is that the Earth’s climate is far less sensitive to CO2 than has been assumed by climate scientists (whatever the hell we’re calling them now).
Mr. Roberts’ first point was actually semi-reasonable compared to his second point.
Burden of Proof Fallacy
2) Climate “skepticism” does not
Writes Shermer:
For [climate] skeptics to overturn the consensus, they would need to find flaws with all the lines of supportive evidence and show a consistent convergence of evidence toward a different theory that explains the data. … This they have not done.
I’m not sure the disengaged public understands this: Climate skepticism is not an alternative theory. The climate skeptic community is a hodgepodge, a farrago of theories and conspiracies that range all over the map, from sunspots to adjustments in particular temperature data sets to hoaxes by scientists greedy for grant money. There’s no shared alternative framework, just a fixed certainty that the consensus must be wrong.
If the mainstream scientific consensus on anthropogenic climate change is wrong, then we’ll need some other theory that makes sense of present-day changes and harmonizes with data from historical record. Climate skeptics have offered no such theory. Where climate change science is fecund, climate skepticism is moribund, merely destructive.
The burden of proof is not on skeptics of a scientific hypothesis. The burden of proof rests with its proponents to demonstrate that it systematically explains the observations. Mr. Roberts once again confuses the observations with actual tests of the hypothesis. He bizarrely thinks that the AGW hypothesis is upheld unless skeptics can disprove the observations and produce a replacement hypothesis. Science had never worked this way. Science cannot work this way. Politics do work this way. Logical fallacy is to a politician, what an Brunton Compass is to a geologist.
The spectrally sound climate reconstructions and Quaternary geology…
What was the climate doing before 1880? Just about the same thing it has been doing since 1880…
Figure 5. Moberg et al., 2005 demonstrates that the average Northern Hemisphere surface temperature was rising at a rate of 0.2 °C per century since the late 1500’s. The instrumental record indicates a warming rate of 0.4 °C per century. Therefore, at least half of the industrial era warming could be natural.
Pretty well all of the [spectrally] consistent (non-hockey stick) reconstructions yield the same conclusion…
Figure 6. Ljungqvist, 2009 yields the same conclusion as Moberg: We aren’t guilty of at least half of the warming.
If we take Moberg and Ljungqvist back to the year zero, we can clearly see another characteristic of the Late Holocene climate: A millennial scale cycle with a period of ~1,000 years and amplitude of ~0.5 °C.
Figures 7 & 8. Both Moberg and Ljungqvist clearly demonstrate the millennial scale climate cycle.
These cycles even have names…
Figure 9. Ljungqvist with climatic period nomenclature.
These cycles have been long recognized by Quaternary geologists…
Figure 10. The millennial scale climate cycle can clearly be traced back to the end of the Holocene Climatic Optimum and the onset of the Neoglaciation.
Fourier analysis of the GISP2 ice core clearly demonstrates that the millennial scale climate cycle is the dominant signal in the Holocene (Davis & Bohling, 2001). It is pervasive throughout the Holocene (Bond et al., 1997).
Figure 11. The Holocene climate has been dominated by a millennial scale climate cycle.
The industrial era climate has not changed in any manner inconsistent with the well-established natural millennial scale cycle. Assuming that the ice core CO2 is reliable, the modern rise in CO2 has had little, if any effect on climate…
Figure 12. Why would CO2 suddenly start driving climate change in the 19th century?
While the climate may have warmed by 0.2 to 0.4 °C more than what might be expected to occur in a 100% natural warming phase of the millennial cycle, all of the apparent excess warming may very well be due to resolution differences between the instrumental and proxy data…
Figure 13. Ljungqvist demonstrates that the modern warming has not unambiguously exceeded the range of natural variability. The bold black dashed line is the instrumental record. I added The red lines to highlight the margin of error.
All of the estimated sea level rise since 1700 is represented by the light blue blob and dark blue line inside the black oval. Sea level isn’t doing anything now that it wasn’t already doing before All Gore invented global warming. And Holocene sea level changes have been insignificant relative to the Holocene transgression…
Figure 1. Sea 1evel rise since the late Pleistocene from Tahitian corals, tide gauges and satellite altimetry.
Adaptation: “It’s déjà vu, all over again!”If mankind and our infrastructure adapted to this…
Figure 2. Northern Hemisphere temperature, atmospheric CO2 and sea level since 1700 AD.
We can adapt to this without breaking a sweat…
Figure 3. Projected sea level rise through 2100 AD.
Particularly since sea level rose just as fast from 1931-1960 as it has risen since 1985…
The “small glaciers” of Glacier National Park, Montana may have not existed during the Holocene Climatic Optimum (HCO). The geological evidence suggests that they formed about 7,000 years ago as the Earth’s climate began to cool after the HCO.
History of Glaciers in Glacier National Park
The history of glaciation within current Glacier National Park boundaries spans centuries of glacial growth and recession, carving the features we see today. Glaciers were present within current Glacier National Park boundaries as early as 7,000 years ago but may have survived an early Holocene warm period (Carrara, 1989), making them much older. These modest glaciers varied in size, tracking climatic changes, but did not grow to their Holocene maximum size until the end of the Little Ice Age (LIA) around A.D. 1850. While they may not have formed in their entirety during the LIA, their maximum perimeters can be documented through mapping of lateral and terminal moraines. (Key, 2002) The extent and mass of these glaciers, as well as glaciers around the globe, has clearly decreased during the 20th century in response to warmer temperatures.
Climate reconstructions representative of the Glacier National Park region extend back multiple centuries and show numerous long-duration drought and wet periods that influenced the mass balance of glaciers (Pederson et al. 2004). Of particular note was an 80-year period (~1770-1840) of cool, wet summers and above-average winter snowfall that led to a rapid growth of glaciers just prior to the end of the LIA. Thus, in the context of the entire Holocene, the size of glaciers at the end of the LIA was an anomaly of sorts. In fact, the large extent of ice coverage removed most of the evidence of earlier glacier positions by overriding terminal and lateral moraines.
“Mapping of lateral and terminal moraines” clearly demonstrates that the maximum extent of the glaciers was reached during the Little Ice Age (LIA). If “in the context of the entire Holocene, the size of glaciers at the end of the LIA was an anomaly,” how can the current reduced extent be an anomaly? Is there some ideal extent? Something between the LIA maximum and the current extent?
The glaciers of Mt Ranier National Park may date back to the last Pleistocene glaciation, but they also exhibit a similar variability to those of Glacier National Park…
The size of glaciers on Mount Rainier has fluctuated significantly in the past. For example, during the last ice age, from about 25,000 to about 15,000 years ago, glaciers covered most of the area now within the boundaries of Mount Rainier National Park and extended to the perimeter of the present Puget Sound Basin.
Geologists can determine the former extent of glaciers on Mount Rainier by mapping the outline of glacial deposits and by noting the position of trimlines, the distinct boundaries between older and younger forests or between forests and pioneering vegetation. Geologists determine the age of some of the deposits by noting the age of the oldest trees and lichens growing on them and the degree of weatherring on boulders. Between the 14th century and AD 1850, many of the glaciers on Mount Rainier advanced to their farthest went down-valley since the last ice age. Many advances of this sort occurred worldwide during this time period known to geologists as the Little Ice Age. During the Little Ice Age, the Nisqually Glacier advanced to a position 650 feet to 800 feet down-valley from the site of the Glacier Bridge, Tahoma and South Tahoma Glaciers merged at the base of Glacier Island, and the terminus of Emmons Glacier reached within 1.2 miles of the White River Campground.
Retreat of the Little Ice Age glaciers was slow until about 1920 when retreat became more rapid. Between the height of the Little Ice Age and 1950, Mount Rainier’s glaciers lost about one-quarter of their length. Beginning in 1950 and continuing through the early 1980’s, however, many of the major glaciers advanced in response to relatively cooler temperatures of the mid-century. The Carbon, Cowlitz, Emmons, and Nisqually Glaciers advanced during the late 1970’s and early 1980’s as a result of high snowfalls during the 1960’s and 1970’s. Since the early-1980’s and through 1992, however, many glaciers have been thinning and retreating and some advances have slowed, perhaps in response to drier conditions that have prevailed at Mount Rainier since 1977.
The Mt. Ranier glaciers also seem to have reached their maximum Holocene extent during the Little Ice Age.
Guess what other ice feature appears to have also reached its maximum Holocene extent during the Little Ice Age?
Fig. 7 from McKay et al., 2008.
McKay et al., 2008 demonstrated that the modern Arctic sea ice cover is anomalously high and the Arctic summer sea surface temperature is anomalously low relative to the rest of the Holocene…
Modern sea-ice cover in the study area, expressed here as the number of months/year with >50% coverage, averages 10.6 ±1.2 months/year… Present day SST and SSS in August are 1.1 ± 2.4 8C and 28.5 ±1.3, respectively… In the Holocene record of core HLY0501-05, sea-ice cover has ranged between 5.5 and 9 months/year, summer SSS has varied between 22 and 30, and summer SST has ranged from 3 to 7.5 8C (Fig. 7).
Had atmospheric CO2 simply followed the preindustrial trajectory, it very likely would have reached 315-345 ppmv by 2010…
Figure 5. Natural sources probably account for 40-60% of the rise in atmospheric CO2 since 1750.
Oddly enough, plant stomata-derived CO2 reconstructions indicate that CO2 levels of 315-345 ppmv have not been uncommon throughout the Holocene…
Figure 6. CO2 from plant stomata: Northern Sweden (Finsinger et al., 2009), Northern Spain (Garcia-Amorena, 2008), Southern Sweden (Jessen, 2005), Washington State USA (Kouwenberg, 2004), Netherlands (Wagner et al., 1999), Denmark (Wagner et al., 2002).
So, what on Earth could have driven all of that CO2 variability before humans started burning fossil fuels? Could it possibly have been temperature changes?
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CO2 as forcing
If I directly cross plot CO2 vs. temperature with no lag time, I get a fair correlation with the post DE08 core (>1833) data and no correlation at all with pre-DE08 core (<1833) data…
Figure 10. Temperature and [CO2] have a moderate correlation since ~1833; but no correlation at all before 1833.
If I extrapolate out to about 840 ppmv CO2, I get about 3 °C of warming relative to 275 ppmv. So, I get the same amount of warming for a tripling of preindustrial CO2 that the IPCC says we’ll get with a doubling.
Figure 11. CO2 from the Law Dome DE08 core plotted against Moberg’s NH temperature reconstruction.
Based on this correlation, the equilibrium climate sensitivity to a doubling of preindustrial CO2 is ~1.5 to 2.0 °C. But, the total lack of a correlation in the ice cores older than DE08 is very puzzling.
Figure 14. The IPCC’s mythical scenarios. I think the shaded area represents the greentopian range.
It appears that a “business as usual” (A1FI) will turn Earth into Venus by 2100 AD.
But, what happens if I use real data?
Let’s assume that the atmospheric CO2 level will rise along an exponential trend line until 2100.
Figure 15. CO2 projected to 560 ppmv by 2100.
I get a CO2 level of 560 ppmv, comparable to the IPCC SRES B2 emissions scenario…
Figure 16. IPCC emissions scenarios.
So, business as usual will likely lead to the same CO2 level as an IPCC greentopian scenario. Why am I not surprised?
Assuming all of the warming since 1833 was caused by CO2 (it wasn’t), 560 ppmv will lead to about 1°C of additional warming by the year 2100.
Figure 17. Projected temperature rise derived from Moberg NH temperature reconstruction and Law Dome DE08 ice core CO2. Projected Temp. Anom. = 2.6142 * ln(CO2) – 15.141
How does this compare with the IPCC’s mythical scenarios? About as expected. The worst case scenario based on actual observations is comparable to the IPCC’s best case, greentopian scenario…
Figure 18. Projected temperature rise derived from Moberg NH temperature reconstruction and Law Dome DE08 ice core CO2 indicates that the IPCC’s 2°C “limit” will not be exceeded.
Conclusions
Atmospheric CO2 concentration records were being broken long before anthropogenic emissions became significant.
Atmospheric CO2 levels were rising much faster than anthropogenic emissions from 1750-1875.
Anthropogenic emissions did not “catch up” to atmospheric CO2 until 1960.
The natural carbon flux is much more variable than the so-called scientific consensus thinks it is.
The equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS) cannot be more than 2°C and is probably closer to 1°C.
The worst-case scenario based on the evidence is comparable to the IPCC’s most greentopian, best-case scenario.
Ice cores with accumulation rates less than 1m/yr are not useful for ECS estimations.
The ECS derived from the Law Dome DE08 ice core and Moberg’s NH temperature reconstruction assumes that all of the warming since 1833 was due to CO2. We know for a fact that at least half of the warming was due to solar influences and natural climatic oscillations. So the derived 2°C is more likely to be 1°C. Since it is clear that about half of the rise from 275 to 400 ppmv was natural, the anthropogenic component of that 1°C ECS is probably less than 0.7°C.
All converge on one conclusion: The Earths’s climate is not behaving any differently now, than it was over the previous 10,000 years. Anthropogenic CO2 emissions have not significantly affected the bulk temperature of the atmosphere.
All of which explains perfectly well why the AVERAGE American (as opposed to the 3% progressive fruitbat fringe) worries about “global warming” about as much as they worry about toenail fungus, restless leg syndrome, or radon. And obviously, the average Chinese and Indian are worried about it even less. Personally, I’m enjoying the green Christmas our good friend El Nino has brought . . . beats the hell out of that Polar Vortex!
{From a ‘Vox’ article}
The 2 key points that climate skeptics miss
Updated by David Roberts on December 11, 2015
Arguments between climate skeptics (or whatever the hell we’re calling them now) and their opponents very frequently devolve into hypertechnical squabbles over particular scientific issues like sea surface temperatures or Milankovitch cycles (don’t ask).
Generally speaking, this is a Bad Thing. Technical scientific disputes are of limited interest the general public — especially technical disputes litigated with great partisan venom. A discussion dominated by such disputes just causes most people to tune out entirely. What’s more, it creates the illusion that the validity of climate science hinges on how these squabbles are resolved. It doesn’t.
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The bad thing is the opposite of what David Roberts says is bad, not surprisingly; where ‘bad’ is epistemic abortions of the original work product content and context.
It is bad to dilute the full science work product for public purposed sound bites.
John
troe
December 15, 2015 7:42 am
Yes but…. if nothing dangerous is happening how do we use that to drive our political agenda. That is the big question.
For example two people not on a list we are keeping commit a violent act. Doesn’t it make perfect sense to ban those on our list from doing whatever the perpetrators were doing. Problem solved right.
An update on Shukla please.
Moderator,
I probably triggered some forbidden word filter in my comment from a few minutes ago.
Can you retrieve from the nether regions?
John
[Nothing is in the queue right now. Your mileage may vary. .mod]
The “lines of evidence” and “consilience of evidence argument as used by EPA and IPCC is to show attribution of warming to mankind. Joe Bastardi clobbers that attribution argument here: http://patriotpost.us/opinion/19138
The belief that any warming must be caused by man, could only be true had the earth’s temperature never changed prior to the advent of man.
Even then, it would only serve as evidence that man might be the cause, as other causes could still be in operation.
Warmists can’t do even simple logic.
MarkW: I hate to pick nits, but this demonstrates how easy it is to stray from the path of logic:
Your first sentence is neither true nor logical. The earth’s temperature has changed drastically over 4.5B years. Yet it is still logically possible that mankind could do something to alter the climate and/or temperature, regardless of the planet’s history.
We haven’t done so. I just wanted to point out that illogic so you don’t get attacked by CAGW-ites (pronounced “cag-whites” like “eggwhites”).
“must be”
I think that you are meant to read it as you can’t use the correlation of global warming with CO2 levels as evidence that AGW is true. The chance that its just a coincidence is very high if climate changes as large have occurred before (hence the hockey stick). As the diagram above shows, its all they got apart from the modeling. They seem to have taken half a dozen one-or-the-other observations and presented it as 1/2^6 probability of being a coincidence.
Robert B: The belief that the current warming must be caused by man, could only be true if there was nothing else that caused the earth to warm. If there is nothing else that could cause the earth to warm, then the temperature of the earth would have had to been constant throughout the history of the earth.
The fact that the earth’s temperature has changed prior to the advent of man, proves that things other than man are capable of changing the earth’s termperature.
Ergo, the claim that the current warming must be caused by man is invalidated.
(Note: “Buster Brown” is the latest fake screen name for ‘David Socrates’, ‘Brian G Valentine’, ‘Joel D. Jackson’, ‘beckleybud’, ‘Edward Richardson’, ‘H Grouse’, and about twenty others. The same person is also an identity thief who has stolen legitimate commenters’ names. Therefore, all the time and effort he spent on writing 300 comments under the fake “BusterBrown” name, many of them quite long, are wasted because I am deleting them wholesale. ~mod.)
Bill Stoltzfus
December 15, 2015 7:47 am
Does anyone else think it’s interesting that in graph #4, Paracyclical sea level rise since 1931, there is roughly a 30 year interval from 1960-1990 where the sea level rise slows considerably? Would that correspond (with a time offset, of course) to the temperature cooling period from ~1945-1975? And could we see another such leveling-off of sea level rise corresponding to the current temperature situation in the pause? I have nothing to support that–just wondering; 30 year periods seem to crop up again and again.
Yes. Yes. Maybe. And 30-yr up- and down-swings are common because a clear ~60-yr quasi-periodic fluctuation (AKA cycle or oscillation) has been pervasive throughout the Holocene.
I’ve been using this idea when discussing SLR with alarmists. They love to claim an acceleration since 1993 and I point out that could easily end around 2020.
Pieter F.
December 15, 2015 7:53 am
I’m attending the Society for Marine Mammalogy Biennial Conference on the Biology of Marine Mammalogy this week. The current president of the Society, Nick Gales, is the Chief Science Advisor for the Australian Government’s Department of the Environment and Director of the Australian Antarctic Division. Consequently, Climate Change is pervasive throughout this conference. At at panel that included Jane Lubchenco and Marcia McNutt on Monday about communicating knowledge, climate change came up in the context of the “convergence of evidence” and how to explain things to normal folk. This appears to be an emerging “elevator pitch” of climate alarmists.
Also bothersome is that every talk I’ve attended that involved ice, pagophilic mammals, and climate change used data beginning in 1979.
Likely correct. The reason is that on every one of the major meme ‘projections’, the mounting evidence is it is not happening. The pause despite rising CO2. No SLR acceleration. Antarctic acculumulating ice per IceSat, and neutral when observational rather than model GIA is applied to GRACE. Arctic sea ice recovering as expected from its qualitative cyclicality. No increase in weather extremes. Planetary greening.
So now warmunists speak of consilience, which means skeptics have to play whack a mole. Consilience only of ‘adjusted’ (Karl) ‘homogenized’ (Schmidt) ‘cherry picked’ (2014 US National Climate Assessment, essay Credibility Conundrums) ‘data’ (essay When Data Isn’t).
Consilience also goes into the trash bin when it comes to pre-industrial CO2. Every measure of Holocene CO2 not derived from Antarctic ice cores indicates that the pre-industrial atmospheric CO2 concentration was much more variable and routinely exceeded 300 ppmv and should be around 340-360 ppmv without any human assistance.
” …. communicating knowledge, climate change came up in the context of the “convergence of evidence” and how to explain things to normal folk.”
Try this
Dear Normal Folk
Despite not knowing how to predict the climate, we have decided to opportunistically prey on the human trait of fearfulness concerning things they can’t control. For a nominal fee we will continue to do the darnest us little scientists can possibly do to figure this out so you don’t have to worry your little heads.
Those other guys demanding money for this and that justice are not really with us, but we don’t complain too much because they help us get funding and we do have fun with our super cool computers. We also get to hang out on nice campuses and wear corduroy.
Oh, and that new energy movement sounds cool too.
It can’t hurt and ya know, fossils wont last forever.
Sincerely
Message Master
Chief of All Things Important
EPA’s Technical Support Document in support of the GHG Endangerment Finding summarizes the “three lines of evidence” argument at p. 47:
The attribution of observed climate change to anthropogenic activities is based on multiple lines of evidence. The first line of evidence arises from our basic physical understanding of the effects of changing concentrations of greenhouse gases, natural factors, and other human impacts on the climate system. The second line of evidence arises from indirect, historical estimates of past climate changes that suggest that the changes in global surface temperature over the last several decades are unusual.23 The third line of evidence arises from the use of computer-based climate models to simulate the likely patterns of response of the climate system to different forcing mechanisms (both natural and anthropogenic).
1. The physical understanding claim is garbage as proven by the complete absence of the universally predicted and modeled tropical upper tropospheric hot spot. It’s hiding with Nessie and Big Foot.
2. Temperature records – we are well within natural variability, therefore no inference of anything unusual can be drawn. (As a corollary, nearly all climate science fraud is to suppress natural variability in paleo and instrumental records to enhance the argument that we are outside natural variability and hence the attribution of warming).
3. Models. No, seriously, models.
The attribution of warming to humans is a bonfire of logical fallacies.
The third line of evidence is “We can’t simulate the observed warming without CO2 forcing. Therefore, it must be CO2.”
That is formally known as the logical fallacy of argument from ignorance. In other words, “we don’t know what else it could be so it must be CO2.”
In plainer terms, it’s like the drunk looking for his keys under the streetlight because that’s where the light is.
“I don’t know what else could have created the universe, so it most be God.”
Hey, someone tell the EPA I just proved the existence of God! It was scientific or something. ^¿^
LNeraho
December 15, 2015 8:13 am
The charts and commentary seem to conclude that the models are wrong (like most economists, credit raters and priests), but temperatures are rising. So is the goal to prove the models wrong or to find the most probable path of temperatures and the drivers on the margin? We do agree that when tracking a trend, they can go up, down, or sideways, yes? And it’s the probability of one over the other that is relevant since anyone with 100% confidence is high.
“The models are consistently wrong in the same direction. The are very precise in their inaccuracy. This is a systemic flaw.”
No, its a design feature.
jclarke341
December 15, 2015 8:16 am
The idea that climate crisis skeptics don’t have a theory is derived from the fact that every time we articulate our theory the media, the politicians, the mainstream climate scientists and the activists stick their fingers in their ears and start shouting “I’m not listening! I’m not listening! La-la-la-la-la-la-la!”
The alternative theory is this: A doubling of atmospheric CO2 due to anthropogenic emissions, all else being equal, will result in a warming of around 1 degree C of the Earths lower atmosphere. Negative feedbacks due to the hydrological cycle will likely reduce this warming by as much as .5 degree C.
We might also add that natural variability is much larger than the human influence and that there is no convincing evidence now or at anytime in the history of the atmosphere for a strong, positive water vapor feedback, and the assumption of constant relative humidity in the troposphere is unfounded.
All observations so far, fit this theory perfectly, while there are few if any observations that fit the prevailing AGW theory.
We win, Gracie!
I was pointing out that 1 °C per doubling isn’t really an alternative theory. It’s the only part of the failed AGW hypothesis that is actually scientific.
I often take this theory one step further and discuss what this means to the climate.
— Cooling of summer day time highs.
— Warming of nights and winters.
— Fewer late frosts and early freezes.
— A 1-2% increase in global precipitation reducing droughts.
— A reduction in extreme weather.
– Substantial increase in plant productivity (food).
In other words, it’s all good.
The alternative theory is this: A doubling of atmospheric CO2 due to anthropogenic emissions, all else being equal, will result in a warming of around 1 degree C of the Earths lower atmosphere. Negative feedbacks due to the hydrological cycle will likely reduce this warming by as much as .5 degree C.
Naughty, naughty! According to Shermer (who should be the real target of this thread, not Roberts), you’re being “purely destructive.”
Shermer set up a false dilemma–either AGW theory is true or not. But there’s a third option: it could be trivially true. It’s a shades-of-gray situation, not black/white. Shermer supposedly is a master of critical thinking and this sort of analysis is central to it. Tsk, tsk.
Tom Halla
December 15, 2015 8:17 am
Any “good” climate change argument should be content-free, so the puppy is irefutable. Just cite Michael Mann and Mr Karl as authorities, and give none of their “evidence”.
Mr. Roberts nearly accomplished a content-free argument.
rogerknights
December 15, 2015 8:22 am
Shermer: If the mainstream scientific consensus on anthropogenic climate change is wrong, then we’ll need some other theory that makes sense of present-day changes and harmonizes with data from historical record. Climate skeptics have offered no such theory.
Stadium wave?
Where climate change science is fecund, climate skepticism is moribund, merely destructive.
“Nine times out of ten, in the arts as in life, there is actually no truth to be discovered; there is only error to be exposed. In whole departments of human inquiry it seems to me quite unlikely that the truth ever will be discovered.”
—H.L. Mencken
Didn’t Admiral Titley use a similar chart in his Senate testimony?
knr
December 15, 2015 9:14 am
I understand what the authors is getting at , but they made the classic mistake of thinking if they prove something factually wrong then they have won the argument. Unfortunately this is not an argument about facts in the first place.
The give away is ‘ climate skeptics’ these simply do not exist no one doubts there is climate and virtual no one doubts it changes so there fighting against mythical creatures. in the first place and this done because they are trying to claim that CAGW skeptics are not just ‘wrong ‘ but mad or bad and so ‘deniers’
Actually THEY are the ” Climate Change Deni*rs “..they believe the climate has always been like it was in the 1600’s , until Humans came along and screwed everything up !!
urederra
December 15, 2015 9:39 am
Consilience, to me sounds like the silence of the conscience.
(Note: “Buster Brown” is the latest fake screen name for ‘David Socrates’, ‘Brian G Valentine’, ‘Joel D. Jackson’, ‘beckleybud’, ‘Edward Richardson’, ‘H Grouse’, and about twenty others. The same person is also an identity thief who has stolen legitimate commenters’ names. Therefore, all the time and effort he spent on writing 300 comments under the fake “BusterBrown” name, many of them quite long, are wasted because I am deleting them wholesale. ~mod.)
An interesting article especially about the Law Dome CO2 data.
I expect Ferdinand to weigh in any minute…
Question for author David Middleton:
In your temperature graph entitled “95% of Climate Models Agree: The Observations Must be Wrong”:
WHY does your UAH LT temperature graph look nothing like this one from UAH? http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
This is the dCO2/dt vs. temperature relationship I was referring to above. See my 2008 paper or this plot: http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-co2/from:1979/mean:12/derivative/plot/uah/from:1959/scale:0.22/offset:0.14
There are several remarkable observations about this striking dCO2/dt vs. temperature relationship:
1. The dCO2/dt vs. temperature correlation is remarkably strong for a natural global phenomenon.
2. The integral (of dCO2/dt) is atmospheric CO2, and it LAGS temperature by about 9 months in the modern data record. CO2 also LAGS temperature by about 800 years in the ice core record. Thus CO2 LAGS temperature at all measured time scales. Thus the global warming hypothesis assumes that the future is causing the past. Thus the CAGW hypothesis fails.
3. This close dCO2/dt vs temperature relationship indicates that temperature drives CO2 much more than CO2 drives temperature.
4. The dCO2/dt vs. temperature correlation is the only detailed signal I have found in the data – there is NO evidence that CO2 LEADS temperature or that increasing atmospheric CO2 significantly increases global temperature.
5. Furthermore, global temperature declined from ~1940-1975, increased from ~1975-2000, and has stayed flat (or cooled slightly) since ~2000, all while atmospheric CO2 increased; so the correlation of temperature to increasing atmospheric CO2 has been positive, negative and near-zero. I suggest near-zero is the correct estimate of the sensitivity (ECS) of global temperature to increasing atmospheric CO2. There is and never had been a manmade global warming crisis – there is no credible evidence to support this failed hypothesis.
6. With few exceptions including some on this blog, nobody (especially the global warming alarmists) wants to acknowledge the LAG of CO2 after temperature – apparently this LAG of CO2 after temperature contradicts deeply-held beliefs about global warming doctrine.
7. While basic physics may suggest that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, the overwhelming observational evidence indicates that the impact of increasing CO2 on global temperature is so small as to be insignificant.
8. in summary, observational evidence strongly indicates that the manmade global warming crisis does not exist.
9. Finally, atmospheric CO2 is not alarmingly high; in fact, it is dangerously low for the survival of terrestrial carbon-based life on Earth. Plants evolved with about 2000ppm CO2 in the atmosphere, or about 5 times current CO2 concentrations.
10. In one of the next global Ice Ages, atmospheric CO2 will approach about 150ppm, a concentration at which terrestrial photosynthesis will slow and cease – and that will be the extinction event for all terrestrial life on this planet.
11. More atmospheric CO2 is highly beneficial to all carbon-based life on Earth. Therefore, CO2 abatement and sequestrations schemes are nonsense.
12. As a devoted fan of carbon-based life on this planet, I feel the duty to advocate on our behalf. I should point out that I am not prejudiced against other life forms. They might be very nice, but I do not know any of them well enough to form an opinion. 🙂
Regards to all, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays!
– Allan
My UAH temperature graph is from Dr. Spencer’s blog post entitled “95% of Climate Models Agree: The Observations Must be Wrong.”
They look different because one appears to be sampled annually and the other is sampled monthly.
“True climate science denier, David Roberts”–
Wait a minute–I’M a climate science denier. (I deny that climate science is science.) Roberts is a true climate science ACCEPTOR.
Bruce Cobb
December 15, 2015 10:31 am
Ah yes, Dave Roberts. The one who thought skeptics/climate realists should be imprisoned:
When we’ve finally gotten serious about global warming, when the impacts are really hitting us and we’re in a full worldwide scramble to minimize the damage, we should have war crimes trials for these b*stards — some sort of climate Nuremberg.
— Grist Magazine, September 19, 2006
Because nothing says science more than silencing those who dare to disagree.
Writes Shermer:
“If the mainstream scientific consensus on anthropogenic climate change is wrong, then we’ll need some other theory that makes sense of present-day changes and harmonizes with data from historical record. Climate skeptics have offered no such theory. Where climate change science is fecund, climate skepticism is moribund, merely destructive.”
Let’s imagine that we go back to the age of belief in witch-craft and magical crimes. The “consilience” of the time appeared to the “experts” of that time to point to one clear conclusion with >97% consensus and p<0.05 confidence.
As explained in detail in Malleus Maleficarum Part 2
"How they Raise and Stir up Hailstorms and Tempests, and Cause Lightning to Blast both Men and Beasts."
"These instances must serve, since indeed countless examples of this sort of mischief could be recounted. But very often men and beasts and storehouses are struck by lightning by the power of devils; and the cause of this seems to be more hidden and ambiguous, since it often appears to happen by Divine permission without the co-operation of any witch. However, it has been found that witches have freely confessed that they have done such things, and there are various instances of it, which could be mentioned, in addition to what has already been said. Therefore it is reasonable to conclude that, just as easily as they raise hailstorms, so can they cause lightning and storms at sea; and so no doubt at all remains on these points. "
So, were a person to have challenged these beliefs at that time, should we have required that they also provide convincing replacement explanations of all the phenomena upon which witch-craft was being blamed?
Would it have been unreasonable for a person to suggest that the cause of lightning is probably NOT anything to do with witches, even though they could not have possibly provided an alternative explanation?
Would that have been a "moribund" gesture in Shermer's eyes?
Would the Shermer of the period have accused witch-craft skeptics of being engaged in a "destructive" activity in which they were questioning the consensus position whilst failing to otherwise fully account for all the crap that was being blamed on witch-craft?
Sorry, Shermer, but in this instance you have proved yourself to be an imbecile.
If anyone would like to see the many lines of evidence that lead to the conclusion quoted above, then they are described here: http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/mm/mm02a15a.htm
mothcatcher
December 15, 2015 1:23 pm
Presumably Shermer is one Michael Shermer, who used to have a regular ‘skeptical’ comment page in Scientific American in the days before it became a tabloid. I found myself agreeing with what he said almost all of the time in those days. But this time he’s definitely got it wrong, and he seems to have the scientific method upside down.
He says that skeptics will “need some other theory that makes sense of present-day changes and harmonizes with data from historical record. Climate skeptics have offered no such theory”. That’s just not right. The burden of proof lies with the proposer of the theory alone, and the test is the data alone.
Further he says that “The climate skeptic community is a hodgepodge, a farrago of theories and conspiracies that range all over the map” True, but rather irrelevant. Okay, there are all kinds of skeptics.
And there are cooky folk on both sides, granted.
Between the ultimate skeptic position and the COP21 agreement are all the following stages –
1. CO2 is a greenhouse gas
2. The increase in CO2 is mostly attributable to the burning of fossil fuels.
3. CO2 concentration is directly and proportionately the cause of warming, and
is in fact the ‘control knob’ for the temperature.
4. This warming is of greater magnitude than all other causes of natural variation.
5. There is no ‘restoring moment’ in the atmospheric system that ameliorates CO2 warming.
6. We are experiencing unprecendented (in last few thousand years at least) warming.
7. This warming will continue due to CO2 if action is not taken
8. This warming will have very damaging consequences for humanity.
8a. Alternative calculations that 1.5 degree to 3 degree C of warming are net beneficial are wrong
8b. That plant-nourishing positive CO2 effects are relatively insignificant.
9. This will occur within a time scale that requires immediate reactive decisions
10. The decisions taken will have sufficent effect to significantly reduce the warming.
11. The cost of the decisions taken outweighs the cost of estimated damage
Among skeptics there are shades. Rather few would be skeptical of stages 1 and 2, but as we progress up the steps more and more of us would be considered skeptics. Indeed, for 9-10-11 I’d be surprised if the majority of IPCC authors didn’t express a fair degree of skepticism. So, Mr Shermer, are you really happy with 1 thru 11? (And you have to be happy with them ALL, if you endorse COP21-agreement). If not, you are skeptic. Which I think you always said you were. And you should NOT speak in favour of COP21.
Sorry – Nr 11 is garbage.
Please read –
11. The cost of decisions taken is outweighed by the cost of damage avoided.
Bit better? Sorry – rushed. I blame that nice bottle of antipodean Pinot Noir
I think you left out a large part of skeptics who think that CO2, on net, does not warm the planet and may cause cooling. Some believe that the “greenhouse effect” is due to the density of the atmosphere, solar insolation, water in all its phases, gravity, convection, advection, conduction, and other factors. Some skeptics think that there is much more to the planet’s climate than the simplistic “CO2 runs the show”.
David S
December 15, 2015 1:40 pm
I think the debate in relation to climate change went truly askew when the term denier was applied to skeptics. Surely it is the warmists who deny the natural cycles and invent a correlation where one doesn’t appear to exist. If the term denier was applied to these global warming fanatics and the burden of proof was up to them the argument would be over. The evidence provided by them so far falls well short of satisfying that burden.
The “will make Earth like Venus” scare scenario is kind of amusing too. Venus has an average temperature of 66C where it’s atmospheric pressure is equal to Earth at sea level. This is exactly 1.176 times the absolute temperature of Earth’s average temperature at sea level, which just happens to be exactly what the distance ratio of the two planets to the sun says it should be.
So unless the danger is concentrations of CO2 rising to suffocating levels like the 96.5% on Venus, there really is nothing to worry about there either!
Paul Coppin
December 15, 2015 2:42 pm
Vox is where the Salon dropouts who can’t reach Salon’s low bar, wind up.
David Middleton,
Good oversight, with one exception: you go completely out of reality when you got to CO2 data from the past and use the stomata data as “proof” for high CO2 levels over the Holocene…
Stomata data are proxies from plants growing by definition on land, where CO2 levels are 1. highly variable, 2. in average positively biased, compared to the “background” CO2 levels in the atmosphere.
That is more or less compensated for by calibrating the stomata (index) data against direct measurements and… ice core data over the previous century. But nobody knows how the local bias changed over the centuries before, because of huge landscape changes in the main wind direction, even the main wind direction may have changed in certain periods (MWP-LIA)…
Over the Holocene, we have ice core data with a resolution of 20-40 years and shorter for the past 150 years. Accuracy within one core: +/- 1.2 ppmv (1 sigma). Difference between different ice cores: maximum +/- 5 ppmv for the same average gas age, even if they have extreme differences in temperature, snow accumulation and therefore resolution. Over the Holocene that gives: http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/antarctic_cores_010kyr.jpg
Thus if stomata data show a difference with ice core data over periods longer than the resolution of the ice cores, then the stomata data are certainly wrong and need recalibration…
Further your Fig. 5 doesn’t fit reality: the small increase in the atmosphere in 1900 vs. 1850 was 10 +/- 5 ppmv, human emissions up to 1900 were 6 ppmv, within natural variability. After 1900 human emissions increased at about twice the rate of the remainder in the atmosphere: http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/temp_emiss_increase.jpg
And of course, you have a reasonable correlation between temperature and CO2 levels after 1850, because both go up, but the correlation between accumulated emissions and CO2 increase in the atmosphere is a near perfect fit… The impact of temperature on CO2 is much smaller, but still visible in the MWP-LIA drop of a few ppmv in the Law Dome DSS core: http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/law_dome_1000yr.jpg
Temperature is only responsible for not more than 10 ppmv since the depth of the LIA, the rest is from humans…
Thus the first four points in your conclusions are based on quicksand, not the best base to convince anybody that skeptics have it right…
F.E. You said “Thus if stomata data show a difference with ice core data over periods longer than the resolution of the ice cores, then the stomata data are certainly wrong and need re-calibration…”
I see no proof that the ice core data is any better than the stomata data. So why would I adjust the stomata to match the ice core I could just as well adjust the ice core to match the stomata. Since there are issues with the diffusion of the CO2 throughout the ice, that are yet to be resolved, I would trust the stomata data until someone shows me why I shouldn’t.
Matt Bergin,
There is no measurable diffusion of CO2 through the ice. There were some theoretical calculations of migration based on higher CO2 levels near melt layers, which show that in relative “warm” (-23°C) coastal ice cores the resolution may broaden from 20 to 22 years at middle depth and to 40 years at full depth. Big deal. See: http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/3773250
For the much colder inland cores like Vostok and Dome C (-40°C) that is virtually zero. If there was any substantial migration the interglacial – glacial ratio between CO2 levels and temperature would fade over time for each period 100,000 years back in time, which is not the case.
Moreover if there was a real distribution of CO2 from higher peaks over time, that would imply that CO2 levels in glacial periods before the migration from the peaks were below 180 ppmv, effectively killing all C3-plants (including all trees)…
The main reason to not trust the absolute level of stomata data is that they are proxies: not only influenced by CO2 levels but also by drought/rain, nutrients and especially local CO2 bias. One of the main places used for the long series is in SW Netherlands, where the landscape in the main wind direction changed tremendously in the past: from sea/marches to land/polders and trees planted last centuries for coal mines… All influencing local CO2 levels. Even the main wind direction may have changed: normally SW, during the LIA probably more from the East.
While stomata data have a better resolution than ice cores, their absolute CO2 level should be taken with a lot of salt…
Ice cores are direct measurements from ancient air with one drawback: it is always a mixture of several years, depending of the snow accumulation rate. That gives a minimum resolution of ~ a decade for the past 150 years, ~20 years for the last 1,000 years, ~40 years for the last 70,000 years and ~560 years for the last 800,000 years. Within that resolution any peak of a few ppmv sustained over the full resolution period would be noticed. The current peak of 110 ppmv in 160 years included…
A good overview of the age distribution in ice cores: http://courses.washington.edu/proxies/GHG.pdf
About the distribution of the 14C bomb spike at Law Dome: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/96GL03156/abstract
Ferdinand…
Firstly, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!
Secondly, I’m working on a new ice core resolution analysis using the newish data from the WAIS Divide cores. I’ll argue with you till i’m blue in the face when I post the results.
David,
Also a Merry Christmas and a Happy, Healthy New Year to you and your family and all here…
Will sharp my knives meanwhile till your results are published…
Congratulations, David Middleton, on a very detailed and well laid out article. However it will fly right over the heads of the true believers in CAGW as they are no longer interested in science, but only in protestations of the True Faith.
I agree David.
Furthermore:
Two decade ago, the question was:
Is global warming alarmism simply false or is it fraudulent?
Now, after the Mann hockey stick fiasco, the fabricated aerosol data used to fudge the warming alarmists’ climate models, and the many false “adjustments” of the surface temperature data record, there is no question:
Global warming alarmism is clearly fraudulent – in financial terms, it is one of the greatest frauds of all time.
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Add “the Climategate emails”:
Now, after the Mann hockey stick fiasco, the fabricated aerosol data used to fudge the warming alarmists’ climate models, the Climategate emails, and the many false “adjustments” of the surface temperature data record, there is no question:
Global warming alarmism is clearly fraudulent – in financial terms, it is one of the greatest frauds of all time.
“I like Ike”
“Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”
Dwight D. Eisenhower, Farewell Address, 1961
RalphB
December 20, 2015 3:49 pm
I was a bit late reading this but this article will remain relevant for a long time. Writers on the political left are no different than those on the right when it comes to intellectual clarity, and in my estimation are less likely to do substantive research than those on the right and instead heavily rely on currently circulating left-wing ‘memes’, such as the “97% consensus on climate chnge”.
The article at http://www.vox.com/2015/9/24/9393217/ap-climate-doubters-truthers has no comment section (wonder why?) but they do ask for feedback if you ‘thumbs down’ ther “Was this aricle helpful?” request, so let me share what I wrote:
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The author forgot to apply his own wisdom regarding ‘motivated reasoning”, “identity protective cognition”, and “tribal markers” to his own tribe. Nothing must be allowed to sow doubt among his loyal tribesmen and women — certainly not a satellite record showing eighteen years of statistically flat global temperatures even as atmospheric carbon dioxide continues to increase.
It has become abundantly clear that for the political left, reality is what is believed by their “significant others” and not what they can learn by the evidence of their own senses and the application of their own exercise of reason. They are victims of exactly the social phenomena described in this article and battling to protect their own crumbling belief systems through the familiar process of psychological projection. Why not do a story on that?
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I’m not holding my breath waiting for the self-critical story on climate alarmists. As you know WUWT frequently hosts self-critical and second-thought articles from the skeptical side. Any one here ever seen a self-critical story from the warmist side?
johann wundersamer
December 25, 2015 3:03 am
Ferdinand Engelbeen,
your graphic temp_emiss_increase
is a good example showing the relationship between driver / driven.
The Green Line, temperature anomalities, stands for the driver.
The red line, CO2 emissions, represents the driven.
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Compare a drive on the highway:
The green zigzag line represents the forcing of the accelerator pedal by the driver at changing traffic conditions.
The red line represents the acceleration of the vehicle – a gentle smooth curve, due to the delays by the mass inertia of the vehicle.
Thanks – Hans
Figures 7 & 8. Both Moberg and Ljungqvist clearly demonstrate the millennial scale climate cycle.
Figure 1. Sea 1evel rise since the late Pleistocene from Tahitian corals, tide gauges and satellite altimetry.
Shorter Vox: Math is hard.
All of which explains perfectly well why the AVERAGE American (as opposed to the 3% progressive fruitbat fringe) worries about “global warming” about as much as they worry about toenail fungus, restless leg syndrome, or radon. And obviously, the average Chinese and Indian are worried about it even less. Personally, I’m enjoying the green Christmas our good friend El Nino has brought . . . beats the hell out of that Polar Vortex!
The bad thing is the opposite of what David Roberts says is bad, not surprisingly; where ‘bad’ is epistemic abortions of the original work product content and context.
It is bad to dilute the full science work product for public purposed sound bites.
John
Yes but…. if nothing dangerous is happening how do we use that to drive our political agenda. That is the big question.
For example two people not on a list we are keeping commit a violent act. Doesn’t it make perfect sense to ban those on our list from doing whatever the perpetrators were doing. Problem solved right.
An update on Shukla please.
Moderator,
I probably triggered some forbidden word filter in my comment from a few minutes ago.
Can you retrieve from the nether regions?
John
[Nothing is in the queue right now. Your mileage may vary. .mod]
.mod,
Cheers. And thanks for the note.
John
The “lines of evidence” and “consilience of evidence argument as used by EPA and IPCC is to show attribution of warming to mankind. Joe Bastardi clobbers that attribution argument here:
http://patriotpost.us/opinion/19138
The belief that any warming must be caused by man, could only be true had the earth’s temperature never changed prior to the advent of man.
Even then, it would only serve as evidence that man might be the cause, as other causes could still be in operation.
Warmists can’t do even simple logic.
MarkW: I hate to pick nits, but this demonstrates how easy it is to stray from the path of logic:
Your first sentence is neither true nor logical. The earth’s temperature has changed drastically over 4.5B years. Yet it is still logically possible that mankind could do something to alter the climate and/or temperature, regardless of the planet’s history.
We haven’t done so. I just wanted to point out that illogic so you don’t get attacked by CAGW-ites (pronounced “cag-whites” like “eggwhites”).
“must be”
I think that you are meant to read it as you can’t use the correlation of global warming with CO2 levels as evidence that AGW is true. The chance that its just a coincidence is very high if climate changes as large have occurred before (hence the hockey stick). As the diagram above shows, its all they got apart from the modeling. They seem to have taken half a dozen one-or-the-other observations and presented it as 1/2^6 probability of being a coincidence.
You did not address the context (“The belief that”) of Mark’s 1st sentence therefore your assertion that it was illogical is meaningless.
Robert B: The belief that the current warming must be caused by man, could only be true if there was nothing else that caused the earth to warm. If there is nothing else that could cause the earth to warm, then the temperature of the earth would have had to been constant throughout the history of the earth.
The fact that the earth’s temperature has changed prior to the advent of man, proves that things other than man are capable of changing the earth’s termperature.
Ergo, the claim that the current warming must be caused by man is invalidated.
Does anyone else think it’s interesting that in graph #4, Paracyclical sea level rise since 1931, there is roughly a 30 year interval from 1960-1990 where the sea level rise slows considerably? Would that correspond (with a time offset, of course) to the temperature cooling period from ~1945-1975? And could we see another such leveling-off of sea level rise corresponding to the current temperature situation in the pause? I have nothing to support that–just wondering; 30 year periods seem to crop up again and again.
Yes. Yes. Maybe. And 30-yr up- and down-swings are common because a clear ~60-yr quasi-periodic fluctuation (AKA cycle or oscillation) has been pervasive throughout the Holocene.
Whenever I see a 60 year cycle in climatic records, the first thing to pops into my mind is the PDO.
(or whatever the hell we’re calling them now)
I’ve been using this idea when discussing SLR with alarmists. They love to claim an acceleration since 1993 and I point out that could easily end around 2020.
I’m attending the Society for Marine Mammalogy Biennial Conference on the Biology of Marine Mammalogy this week. The current president of the Society, Nick Gales, is the Chief Science Advisor for the Australian Government’s Department of the Environment and Director of the Australian Antarctic Division. Consequently, Climate Change is pervasive throughout this conference. At at panel that included Jane Lubchenco and Marcia McNutt on Monday about communicating knowledge, climate change came up in the context of the “convergence of evidence” and how to explain things to normal folk. This appears to be an emerging “elevator pitch” of climate alarmists.
Also bothersome is that every talk I’ve attended that involved ice, pagophilic mammals, and climate change used data beginning in 1979.
Likely correct. The reason is that on every one of the major meme ‘projections’, the mounting evidence is it is not happening. The pause despite rising CO2. No SLR acceleration. Antarctic acculumulating ice per IceSat, and neutral when observational rather than model GIA is applied to GRACE. Arctic sea ice recovering as expected from its qualitative cyclicality. No increase in weather extremes. Planetary greening.
So now warmunists speak of consilience, which means skeptics have to play whack a mole. Consilience only of ‘adjusted’ (Karl) ‘homogenized’ (Schmidt) ‘cherry picked’ (2014 US National Climate Assessment, essay Credibility Conundrums) ‘data’ (essay When Data Isn’t).
Consilience also goes into the trash bin when it comes to pre-industrial CO2. Every measure of Holocene CO2 not derived from Antarctic ice cores indicates that the pre-industrial atmospheric CO2 concentration was much more variable and routinely exceeded 300 ppmv and should be around 340-360 ppmv without any human assistance.
Try this
Dear Normal Folk
Despite not knowing how to predict the climate, we have decided to opportunistically prey on the human trait of fearfulness concerning things they can’t control. For a nominal fee we will continue to do the darnest us little scientists can possibly do to figure this out so you don’t have to worry your little heads.
Those other guys demanding money for this and that justice are not really with us, but we don’t complain too much because they help us get funding and we do have fun with our super cool computers. We also get to hang out on nice campuses and wear corduroy.
Oh, and that new energy movement sounds cool too.
It can’t hurt and ya know, fossils wont last forever.
Sincerely
Message Master
Chief of All Things Important
The link to “A Brief History of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Record-Breaking” is incorrect.
It should be http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/07/a-brief-history-of-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide-record-breaking/
Fixed… D’oh!
EPA’s Technical Support Document in support of the GHG Endangerment Finding summarizes the “three lines of evidence” argument at p. 47:
1. The physical understanding claim is garbage as proven by the complete absence of the universally predicted and modeled tropical upper tropospheric hot spot. It’s hiding with Nessie and Big Foot.
2. Temperature records – we are well within natural variability, therefore no inference of anything unusual can be drawn. (As a corollary, nearly all climate science fraud is to suppress natural variability in paleo and instrumental records to enhance the argument that we are outside natural variability and hence the attribution of warming).
3. Models. No, seriously, models.
The attribution of warming to humans is a bonfire of logical fallacies.
1 and 3 aren’t even “lines of evidence”.
The third line of evidence is “We can’t simulate the observed warming without CO2 forcing. Therefore, it must be CO2.”
That is formally known as the logical fallacy of argument from ignorance. In other words, “we don’t know what else it could be so it must be CO2.”
In plainer terms, it’s like the drunk looking for his keys under the streetlight because that’s where the light is.
“I don’t know what else could have created the universe, so it most be God.”
Hey, someone tell the EPA I just proved the existence of God! It was scientific or something. ^¿^
The charts and commentary seem to conclude that the models are wrong (like most economists, credit raters and priests), but temperatures are rising. So is the goal to prove the models wrong or to find the most probable path of temperatures and the drivers on the margin? We do agree that when tracking a trend, they can go up, down, or sideways, yes? And it’s the probability of one over the other that is relevant since anyone with 100% confidence is high.
LNeraho says:
…but temperatures are rising.
You are wrong, as usual:
http://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ScreenHunter_9549-Jun.-17-21.12.gif
The models are consistently wrong in the same direction. The are very precise in their inaccuracy. This is a systemic flaw.
“The models are consistently wrong in the same direction. The are very precise in their inaccuracy. This is a systemic flaw.”
No, its a design feature.
The idea that climate crisis skeptics don’t have a theory is derived from the fact that every time we articulate our theory the media, the politicians, the mainstream climate scientists and the activists stick their fingers in their ears and start shouting “I’m not listening! I’m not listening! La-la-la-la-la-la-la!”
The alternative theory is this: A doubling of atmospheric CO2 due to anthropogenic emissions, all else being equal, will result in a warming of around 1 degree C of the Earths lower atmosphere. Negative feedbacks due to the hydrological cycle will likely reduce this warming by as much as .5 degree C.
We might also add that natural variability is much larger than the human influence and that there is no convincing evidence now or at anytime in the history of the atmosphere for a strong, positive water vapor feedback, and the assumption of constant relative humidity in the troposphere is unfounded.
All observations so far, fit this theory perfectly, while there are few if any observations that fit the prevailing AGW theory.
We win, Gracie!
What is the ratio of the Milankovitch cycle impact referenced in another article to mean temperatures vs the loss of Swedish peat bogs?
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nice, David
1 °C is just about what you get with a simple radiative forcing calculation.
He did say “all other things being equal”. Which I interpreted to mean, no feedbacks.
I was pointing out that 1 °C per doubling isn’t really an alternative theory. It’s the only part of the failed AGW hypothesis that is actually scientific.
If the answer is 1c, the question must be “what do you get when you multiply 6 by 9?”.
I often take this theory one step further and discuss what this means to the climate.
— Cooling of summer day time highs.
— Warming of nights and winters.
— Fewer late frosts and early freezes.
— A 1-2% increase in global precipitation reducing droughts.
— A reduction in extreme weather.
– Substantial increase in plant productivity (food).
In other words, it’s all good.
Naughty, naughty! According to Shermer (who should be the real target of this thread, not Roberts), you’re being “purely destructive.”
Shermer set up a false dilemma–either AGW theory is true or not. But there’s a third option: it could be trivially true. It’s a shades-of-gray situation, not black/white. Shermer supposedly is a master of critical thinking and this sort of analysis is central to it. Tsk, tsk.
Any “good” climate change argument should be content-free, so the puppy is irefutable. Just cite Michael Mann and Mr Karl as authorities, and give none of their “evidence”.
Mr. Roberts nearly accomplished a content-free argument.
Stadium wave?
http://thefederalist.com/2014/04/08/how-vox-makes-us-stupid/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/7/christopher-harper-vox-news-website-needs-to-take-/?page=all
Vox…..rarely right…on anything.
Lemme guess… Vox… Always left.
I had to laugh at the up down arrows. That is classic lazy journalism.
Proper vectors would just be lead to “hypertechnical squabbles over particular scientific issues”… 😉
Didn’t Admiral Titley use a similar chart in his Senate testimony?
I understand what the authors is getting at , but they made the classic mistake of thinking if they prove something factually wrong then they have won the argument. Unfortunately this is not an argument about facts in the first place.
The give away is ‘ climate skeptics’ these simply do not exist no one doubts there is climate and virtual no one doubts it changes so there fighting against mythical creatures. in the first place and this done because they are trying to claim that CAGW skeptics are not just ‘wrong ‘ but mad or bad and so ‘deniers’
Actually THEY are the ” Climate Change Deni*rs “..they believe the climate has always been like it was in the 1600’s , until Humans came along and screwed everything up !!
Consilience, to me sounds like the silence of the conscience.
An interesting article especially about the Law Dome CO2 data.
I expect Ferdinand to weigh in any minute…
Question for author David Middleton:
In your temperature graph entitled “95% of Climate Models Agree: The Observations Must be Wrong”:
WHY does your UAH LT temperature graph look nothing like this one from UAH?
http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
Postscript:
I suggest Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity (ECS) is much less than 1.0C, and probably so low as to be practically insignificant – say 0.3C of less, IF it exists at all in a practical sense.
Reference:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/24/water-vapour-the-big-wet-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-2057587
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To my knowledge, I initiated in early January 2008 the still-heretical notion that dCO2/dt changed ~contemporaneously with temperature and therefore CO2 lagged temperature by about 9 months, and thus CO2 could not primarily drive temperature.
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/carbon_dioxide_in_not_the_primary_cause_of_global_warming_the_future_can_no/
I found a similar relationship in the high frequency signal…
https://debunkhouse.wordpress.com/2010/12/29/an-interesting-correlation-between-atmospheric-co2-and-sea-surface-temperatures/
This is the dCO2/dt vs. temperature relationship I was referring to above. See my 2008 paper or this plot:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-co2/from:1979/mean:12/derivative/plot/uah/from:1959/scale:0.22/offset:0.14
There are several remarkable observations about this striking dCO2/dt vs. temperature relationship:
1. The dCO2/dt vs. temperature correlation is remarkably strong for a natural global phenomenon.
2. The integral (of dCO2/dt) is atmospheric CO2, and it LAGS temperature by about 9 months in the modern data record. CO2 also LAGS temperature by about 800 years in the ice core record. Thus CO2 LAGS temperature at all measured time scales. Thus the global warming hypothesis assumes that the future is causing the past. Thus the CAGW hypothesis fails.
3. This close dCO2/dt vs temperature relationship indicates that temperature drives CO2 much more than CO2 drives temperature.
4. The dCO2/dt vs. temperature correlation is the only detailed signal I have found in the data – there is NO evidence that CO2 LEADS temperature or that increasing atmospheric CO2 significantly increases global temperature.
5. Furthermore, global temperature declined from ~1940-1975, increased from ~1975-2000, and has stayed flat (or cooled slightly) since ~2000, all while atmospheric CO2 increased; so the correlation of temperature to increasing atmospheric CO2 has been positive, negative and near-zero. I suggest near-zero is the correct estimate of the sensitivity (ECS) of global temperature to increasing atmospheric CO2. There is and never had been a manmade global warming crisis – there is no credible evidence to support this failed hypothesis.
6. With few exceptions including some on this blog, nobody (especially the global warming alarmists) wants to acknowledge the LAG of CO2 after temperature – apparently this LAG of CO2 after temperature contradicts deeply-held beliefs about global warming doctrine.
7. While basic physics may suggest that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, the overwhelming observational evidence indicates that the impact of increasing CO2 on global temperature is so small as to be insignificant.
8. in summary, observational evidence strongly indicates that the manmade global warming crisis does not exist.
9. Finally, atmospheric CO2 is not alarmingly high; in fact, it is dangerously low for the survival of terrestrial carbon-based life on Earth. Plants evolved with about 2000ppm CO2 in the atmosphere, or about 5 times current CO2 concentrations.
10. In one of the next global Ice Ages, atmospheric CO2 will approach about 150ppm, a concentration at which terrestrial photosynthesis will slow and cease – and that will be the extinction event for all terrestrial life on this planet.
11. More atmospheric CO2 is highly beneficial to all carbon-based life on Earth. Therefore, CO2 abatement and sequestrations schemes are nonsense.
12. As a devoted fan of carbon-based life on this planet, I feel the duty to advocate on our behalf. I should point out that I am not prejudiced against other life forms. They might be very nice, but I do not know any of them well enough to form an opinion. 🙂
Regards to all, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays!
– Allan
My UAH temperature graph is from Dr. Spencer’s blog post entitled “95% of Climate Models Agree: The Observations Must be Wrong.”
They look different because one appears to be sampled annually and the other is sampled monthly.
I suspect the one in the diagram is version 5.6.
“True climate science denier, David Roberts”–
Wait a minute–I’M a climate science denier. (I deny that climate science is science.) Roberts is a true climate science ACCEPTOR.
Ah yes, Dave Roberts. The one who thought skeptics/climate realists should be imprisoned:
— Grist Magazine, September 19, 2006
Because nothing says science more than silencing those who dare to disagree.
I forgot that he was that particular Grist-er.
“Grist” is right up there with “Rolling Stone” as a trusted source of investigative journalism.
The Consilience of the Lambs
http://www.agwbs.com/agw-is-fake/the-consilience-of-the-lambs.html
Written just before the emails were liberated from CRU 🙂
Writes Shermer:
“If the mainstream scientific consensus on anthropogenic climate change is wrong, then we’ll need some other theory that makes sense of present-day changes and harmonizes with data from historical record. Climate skeptics have offered no such theory. Where climate change science is fecund, climate skepticism is moribund, merely destructive.”
Let’s imagine that we go back to the age of belief in witch-craft and magical crimes. The “consilience” of the time appeared to the “experts” of that time to point to one clear conclusion with >97% consensus and p<0.05 confidence.
As explained in detail in Malleus Maleficarum Part 2
"How they Raise and Stir up Hailstorms and Tempests, and Cause Lightning to Blast both Men and Beasts."
"These instances must serve, since indeed countless examples of this sort of mischief could be recounted. But very often men and beasts and storehouses are struck by lightning by the power of devils; and the cause of this seems to be more hidden and ambiguous, since it often appears to happen by Divine permission without the co-operation of any witch. However, it has been found that witches have freely confessed that they have done such things, and there are various instances of it, which could be mentioned, in addition to what has already been said. Therefore it is reasonable to conclude that, just as easily as they raise hailstorms, so can they cause lightning and storms at sea; and so no doubt at all remains on these points. "
So, were a person to have challenged these beliefs at that time, should we have required that they also provide convincing replacement explanations of all the phenomena upon which witch-craft was being blamed?
Would it have been unreasonable for a person to suggest that the cause of lightning is probably NOT anything to do with witches, even though they could not have possibly provided an alternative explanation?
Would that have been a "moribund" gesture in Shermer's eyes?
Would the Shermer of the period have accused witch-craft skeptics of being engaged in a "destructive" activity in which they were questioning the consensus position whilst failing to otherwise fully account for all the crap that was being blamed on witch-craft?
Sorry, Shermer, but in this instance you have proved yourself to be an imbecile.
If anyone would like to see the many lines of evidence that lead to the conclusion quoted above, then they are described here: http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/mm/mm02a15a.htm
Presumably Shermer is one Michael Shermer, who used to have a regular ‘skeptical’ comment page in Scientific American in the days before it became a tabloid. I found myself agreeing with what he said almost all of the time in those days. But this time he’s definitely got it wrong, and he seems to have the scientific method upside down.
He says that skeptics will “need some other theory that makes sense of present-day changes and harmonizes with data from historical record. Climate skeptics have offered no such theory”. That’s just not right. The burden of proof lies with the proposer of the theory alone, and the test is the data alone.
Further he says that “The climate skeptic community is a hodgepodge, a farrago of theories and conspiracies that range all over the map” True, but rather irrelevant. Okay, there are all kinds of skeptics.
And there are cooky folk on both sides, granted.
Between the ultimate skeptic position and the COP21 agreement are all the following stages –
1. CO2 is a greenhouse gas
2. The increase in CO2 is mostly attributable to the burning of fossil fuels.
3. CO2 concentration is directly and proportionately the cause of warming, and
is in fact the ‘control knob’ for the temperature.
4. This warming is of greater magnitude than all other causes of natural variation.
5. There is no ‘restoring moment’ in the atmospheric system that ameliorates CO2 warming.
6. We are experiencing unprecendented (in last few thousand years at least) warming.
7. This warming will continue due to CO2 if action is not taken
8. This warming will have very damaging consequences for humanity.
8a. Alternative calculations that 1.5 degree to 3 degree C of warming are net beneficial are wrong
8b. That plant-nourishing positive CO2 effects are relatively insignificant.
9. This will occur within a time scale that requires immediate reactive decisions
10. The decisions taken will have sufficent effect to significantly reduce the warming.
11. The cost of the decisions taken outweighs the cost of estimated damage
Among skeptics there are shades. Rather few would be skeptical of stages 1 and 2, but as we progress up the steps more and more of us would be considered skeptics. Indeed, for 9-10-11 I’d be surprised if the majority of IPCC authors didn’t express a fair degree of skepticism. So, Mr Shermer, are you really happy with 1 thru 11? (And you have to be happy with them ALL, if you endorse COP21-agreement). If not, you are skeptic. Which I think you always said you were. And you should NOT speak in favour of COP21.
Sorry – Nr 11 is garbage.
Please read –
11. The cost of decisions taken is outweighed by the cost of damage avoided.
Bit better? Sorry – rushed. I blame that nice bottle of antipodean Pinot Noir
I think you left out a large part of skeptics who think that CO2, on net, does not warm the planet and may cause cooling. Some believe that the “greenhouse effect” is due to the density of the atmosphere, solar insolation, water in all its phases, gravity, convection, advection, conduction, and other factors. Some skeptics think that there is much more to the planet’s climate than the simplistic “CO2 runs the show”.
I think the debate in relation to climate change went truly askew when the term denier was applied to skeptics. Surely it is the warmists who deny the natural cycles and invent a correlation where one doesn’t appear to exist. If the term denier was applied to these global warming fanatics and the burden of proof was up to them the argument would be over. The evidence provided by them so far falls well short of satisfying that burden.
Consilience is not causation.
Paradigm shifts tend to be preceded by over-consilience.
Neat!
The “will make Earth like Venus” scare scenario is kind of amusing too. Venus has an average temperature of 66C where it’s atmospheric pressure is equal to Earth at sea level. This is exactly 1.176 times the absolute temperature of Earth’s average temperature at sea level, which just happens to be exactly what the distance ratio of the two planets to the sun says it should be.
So unless the danger is concentrations of CO2 rising to suffocating levels like the 96.5% on Venus, there really is nothing to worry about there either!
Vox is where the Salon dropouts who can’t reach Salon’s low bar, wind up.
I first thought everyone was talking about blogger Vox Day. Glad to find out he has not gone over the the dark side. 🙂
David Middleton,
Good oversight, with one exception: you go completely out of reality when you got to CO2 data from the past and use the stomata data as “proof” for high CO2 levels over the Holocene…
Stomata data are proxies from plants growing by definition on land, where CO2 levels are 1. highly variable, 2. in average positively biased, compared to the “background” CO2 levels in the atmosphere.
That is more or less compensated for by calibrating the stomata (index) data against direct measurements and… ice core data over the previous century. But nobody knows how the local bias changed over the centuries before, because of huge landscape changes in the main wind direction, even the main wind direction may have changed in certain periods (MWP-LIA)…
Over the Holocene, we have ice core data with a resolution of 20-40 years and shorter for the past 150 years. Accuracy within one core: +/- 1.2 ppmv (1 sigma). Difference between different ice cores: maximum +/- 5 ppmv for the same average gas age, even if they have extreme differences in temperature, snow accumulation and therefore resolution. Over the Holocene that gives:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/antarctic_cores_010kyr.jpg
Thus if stomata data show a difference with ice core data over periods longer than the resolution of the ice cores, then the stomata data are certainly wrong and need recalibration…
Further your Fig. 5 doesn’t fit reality: the small increase in the atmosphere in 1900 vs. 1850 was 10 +/- 5 ppmv, human emissions up to 1900 were 6 ppmv, within natural variability. After 1900 human emissions increased at about twice the rate of the remainder in the atmosphere:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/temp_emiss_increase.jpg
And of course, you have a reasonable correlation between temperature and CO2 levels after 1850, because both go up, but the correlation between accumulated emissions and CO2 increase in the atmosphere is a near perfect fit… The impact of temperature on CO2 is much smaller, but still visible in the MWP-LIA drop of a few ppmv in the Law Dome DSS core:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/law_dome_1000yr.jpg
Temperature is only responsible for not more than 10 ppmv since the depth of the LIA, the rest is from humans…
Thus the first four points in your conclusions are based on quicksand, not the best base to convince anybody that skeptics have it right…
F.E. You said “Thus if stomata data show a difference with ice core data over periods longer than the resolution of the ice cores, then the stomata data are certainly wrong and need re-calibration…”
I see no proof that the ice core data is any better than the stomata data. So why would I adjust the stomata to match the ice core I could just as well adjust the ice core to match the stomata. Since there are issues with the diffusion of the CO2 throughout the ice, that are yet to be resolved, I would trust the stomata data until someone shows me why I shouldn’t.
The ice core data are the bass. The stomata data are the treble.
Matt Bergin,
There is no measurable diffusion of CO2 through the ice. There were some theoretical calculations of migration based on higher CO2 levels near melt layers, which show that in relative “warm” (-23°C) coastal ice cores the resolution may broaden from 20 to 22 years at middle depth and to 40 years at full depth. Big deal. See:
http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/3773250
For the much colder inland cores like Vostok and Dome C (-40°C) that is virtually zero. If there was any substantial migration the interglacial – glacial ratio between CO2 levels and temperature would fade over time for each period 100,000 years back in time, which is not the case.
Moreover if there was a real distribution of CO2 from higher peaks over time, that would imply that CO2 levels in glacial periods before the migration from the peaks were below 180 ppmv, effectively killing all C3-plants (including all trees)…
The main reason to not trust the absolute level of stomata data is that they are proxies: not only influenced by CO2 levels but also by drought/rain, nutrients and especially local CO2 bias. One of the main places used for the long series is in SW Netherlands, where the landscape in the main wind direction changed tremendously in the past: from sea/marches to land/polders and trees planted last centuries for coal mines… All influencing local CO2 levels. Even the main wind direction may have changed: normally SW, during the LIA probably more from the East.
While stomata data have a better resolution than ice cores, their absolute CO2 level should be taken with a lot of salt…
Ice cores are direct measurements from ancient air with one drawback: it is always a mixture of several years, depending of the snow accumulation rate. That gives a minimum resolution of ~ a decade for the past 150 years, ~20 years for the last 1,000 years, ~40 years for the last 70,000 years and ~560 years for the last 800,000 years. Within that resolution any peak of a few ppmv sustained over the full resolution period would be noticed. The current peak of 110 ppmv in 160 years included…
A good overview of the age distribution in ice cores:
http://courses.washington.edu/proxies/GHG.pdf
About the distribution of the 14C bomb spike at Law Dome:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/96GL03156/abstract
Ferdinand…
Firstly, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!
Secondly, I’m working on a new ice core resolution analysis using the newish data from the WAIS Divide cores. I’ll argue with you till i’m blue in the face when I post the results.
David,
Also a Merry Christmas and a Happy, Healthy New Year to you and your family and all here…
Will sharp my knives meanwhile till your results are published…
Congratulations, David Middleton, on a very detailed and well laid out article. However it will fly right over the heads of the true believers in CAGW as they are no longer interested in science, but only in protestations of the True Faith.
They never were interested in the science…
The phrase “settled science” proves this.
I agree David.
Furthermore:
Two decade ago, the question was:
Is global warming alarmism simply false or is it fraudulent?
Now, after the Mann hockey stick fiasco, the fabricated aerosol data used to fudge the warming alarmists’ climate models, and the many false “adjustments” of the surface temperature data record, there is no question:
Global warming alarmism is clearly fraudulent – in financial terms, it is one of the greatest frauds of all time.
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Add “the Climategate emails”:
Now, after the Mann hockey stick fiasco, the fabricated aerosol data used to fudge the warming alarmists’ climate models, the Climategate emails, and the many false “adjustments” of the surface temperature data record, there is no question:
Global warming alarmism is clearly fraudulent – in financial terms, it is one of the greatest frauds of all time.
“I like Ike”
“Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”
Dwight D. Eisenhower, Farewell Address, 1961
I was a bit late reading this but this article will remain relevant for a long time. Writers on the political left are no different than those on the right when it comes to intellectual clarity, and in my estimation are less likely to do substantive research than those on the right and instead heavily rely on currently circulating left-wing ‘memes’, such as the “97% consensus on climate chnge”.
The article at http://www.vox.com/2015/9/24/9393217/ap-climate-doubters-truthers has no comment section (wonder why?) but they do ask for feedback if you ‘thumbs down’ ther “Was this aricle helpful?” request, so let me share what I wrote:
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The author forgot to apply his own wisdom regarding ‘motivated reasoning”, “identity protective cognition”, and “tribal markers” to his own tribe. Nothing must be allowed to sow doubt among his loyal tribesmen and women — certainly not a satellite record showing eighteen years of statistically flat global temperatures even as atmospheric carbon dioxide continues to increase.
It has become abundantly clear that for the political left, reality is what is believed by their “significant others” and not what they can learn by the evidence of their own senses and the application of their own exercise of reason. They are victims of exactly the social phenomena described in this article and battling to protect their own crumbling belief systems through the familiar process of psychological projection. Why not do a story on that?
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I’m not holding my breath waiting for the self-critical story on climate alarmists. As you know WUWT frequently hosts self-critical and second-thought articles from the skeptical side. Any one here ever seen a self-critical story from the warmist side?
Ferdinand Engelbeen,
your graphic temp_emiss_increase
is a good example showing the relationship between driver / driven.
The Green Line, temperature anomalities, stands for the driver.
The red line, CO2 emissions, represents the driven.
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Compare a drive on the highway:
The green zigzag line represents the forcing of the accelerator pedal by the driver at changing traffic conditions.
The red line represents the acceleration of the vehicle – a gentle smooth curve, due to the delays by the mass inertia of the vehicle.
Thanks – Hans