22 Very Inconvenient Climate Truths

Here are 22 good reasons not to believe the statements made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)

22-inconvenienttruths-on-global-warmingGuest essay by Jean-Pierre Bardinet.

According to the official statements of the IPCC “Science is clear” and non-believers cannot be trusted.

Quick action is needed! For more than 30 years we have been told that we must act quickly and that after the next three or five years it will be too late (or even after the next 500 days according to the French Minister of foreign affairs speaking in 2014) and the Planet will be beyond salvation and become a frying pan -on fire- if we do not drastically reduce our emissions of CO2, at any cost, even at the cost of economic decline, ruin and misery.

But anyone with some scientific background who takes pains to study the topics at hand is quickly led to conclude that the arguments of the IPCC are inaccurate, for many reasons of which here is a non-exhaustive list.


The 22 Inconvenient Truths

1. The Mean Global Temperature has been stable since 1997, despite a continuous increase of the CO2 content of the air: how could one say that the increase of the CO2 content of the air is the cause of the increase of the temperature? (discussion: p. 4)

2. 57% of the cumulative anthropic emissions since the beginning of the Industrial revolution have been emitted since 1997, but the temperature has been stable. How to uphold that anthropic CO2 emissions (or anthropic cumulative emissions) cause an increase of the Mean Global Temperature?

[Note 1: since 1880 the only one period where Global Mean Temperature and CO2 content of the air increased simultaneously has been 1978-1997. From 1910 to 1940, the Global Mean Temperature increased at about the same rate as over 1978-1997, while CO2 anthropic emissions were almost negligible. Over 1950-1978 while CO2 anthropic emissions increased rapidly the Global Mean Temperature dropped. From Vostok and other ice cores we know that it’s the increase of the temperature that drives the subsequent increase of the CO2 content of the air, thanks to ocean out-gassing, and not the opposite. The same process is still at work nowadays] (discussion: p. 7)

3. The amount of CO2 of the air from anthropic emissions is today no more than 6% of the total CO2 in the air (as shown by the isotopic ratios 13C/12C) instead of the 25% to 30% said by IPCC. (discussion: p. 9)

4. The lifetime of CO2 molecules in the atmosphere is about 5 years instead of the 100 years said by IPCC. (discussion: p. 10)

5. The changes of the Mean Global Temperature are more or less sinusoidal with a well defined 60 year period. We are at a maximum of the sinusoid(s) and hence the next years should be cooler as has been observed after 1950. (discussion: p. 12)

6. The absorption of the radiation from the surface by the CO2 of the air is nearly saturated. Measuring with a spectrometer what is left from the radiation of a broadband infrared source (say a black body heated at 1000°C) after crossing the equivalent of some tens or hundreds of meters of the air, shows that the main CO2 bands (4.3 µm and 15 µm) have been replaced by the emission spectrum of the CO2 which is radiated at the temperature of the trace-gas. (discussion: p. 14)

7. In some geological periods the CO2 content of the air has been up to 20 times today’s content, and there has been no runaway temperature increase! Why would our CO2 emissions have a cataclysmic impact? The laws of Nature are the same whatever the place and the time. (discussion: p. 17)

8. The sea level is increasing by about 1.3 mm/year according to the data of the tide-gauges (after correction of the emergence or subsidence of the rock to which the tide gauge is attached, nowadays precisely known thanks to high precision GPS instrumentation); no acceleration has been observed during the last decades; the raw measurements at Brest since 1846 and at Marseille since the 1880s are slightly less than 1.3 mm/year. (discussion: p. 18)

9. The “hot spot” in the inter-tropical high troposphere is, according to all “models” and to the IPCC reports, the indubitable proof of the water vapour feedback amplification of the warming: it has not been observed and does not exist. (discussion: p. 20)

10. The water vapour content of the air has been roughly constant since more than 50 years but the humidity of the upper layers of the troposphere has been decreasing: the IPCC foretold the opposite to assert its “positive water vapour feedback” with increasing CO2. The observed “feedback” is negative. (discussion: p.22)

11. The maximum surface of the Antarctic ice-pack has been increasing every year since we have satellite observations. (discussion: p. 24)

12. The sum of the surfaces of the Arctic and Antarctic icepacks is about constant, their trends are phase-opposite; hence their total albedo is about constant. (discussion: p. 25)

13. The measurements from the 3000 oceanic ARGO buoys since 2003 may suggest a slight decrease of the oceanic heat content between the surface and a depth 700 m with very significant regional differences. (discussion: p. 27)

14. The observed outgoing longwave emission (or thermal infrared) of the globe is increasing, contrary to what models say on a would-be “radiative imbalance”; the “blanket” effect of CO2 or CH4 “greenhouse gases” is not seen. (discussion:p. 29)

15. The Stefan Boltzmann formula does not apply to gases, as they are neither black bodies, nor grey bodies: why does the IPCC community use it for gases ? (discussion: p. 30)

16. The trace gases absorb the radiation of the surface and radiate at the temperature of the air which is, at some height, most of the time slightly lower that of the surface. The trace-gases cannot “heat the surface“, according to the second principle of thermodynamics which prohibits heat transfer from a cooler body to a warmer body. (discussion: p. 32)

17. The temperatures have always driven the CO2 content of the air, never the reverse. Nowadays the net increment of the CO2 content of the air follows very closely the inter-tropical temperature anomaly. (discussion: p. 33)

18. The CLOUD project at the European Center for Nuclear Research is probing the Svensmark-Shaviv hypothesis on the role of cosmic rays modulated by the solar magnetic field on the low cloud coverage; the first and encouraging results have been published in Nature. (discussion: p. 36)

19. Numerical “Climate models” are not consistent regarding cloud coverage which is the main driver of the surface temperatures. Project Earthshine (Earthshine is the ghostly glow of the dark side of the Moon) has been measuring changes of the terrestrial albedo in relation to cloud coverage data; according to cloud coverage data available since 1983, the albedo of the Earth has decreased from 1984 to 1998, then increased up to 2004 in sync with the Mean Global Temperature. (discussion: p. 37)

20. The forecasts of the “climate models” are diverging more and more from the observations. A model is not a scientific proof of a fact and if proven false by observations (or falsified) it must be discarded, or audited and corrected. We are still waiting for the IPCC models to be discarded or revised; but alas IPCC uses the models financed by the taxpayers both to “prove” attributions to greenhouse gas and to support forecasts of doom. (discussion: p. 40)

21. As said by IPCC in its TAR (2001) “we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.” Has this state of affairs changed since 2001? Surely not for scientific reasons. (discussion: p. 43)

22. Last but not least the IPCC is neither a scientific organization nor an independent organization: the summary for policy makers, the only part of the report read by international organizations, politicians and media is written under the very close supervision of the representative of the countries and of the non-governmental pressure groups.

The governing body of the IPCC is made of a minority of scientists almost all of them promoters of the environmentalist ideology, and a majority of state representatives and of non-governmental green organizations. (discussion: p. 46)


Appendix

Jean Poitou and François-Marie Bréon are distinguished members of the climate establishment and redactors of parts of the IPCC fifth assessment report report (AR5).

Jean Poitou is a physicist and climatologist, graduated from Ecole Supérieure de Physique et Chimie (Physics and Chemistry engineering college) and is climatologist at the Laboratory of the climate and environment sciences at IPSL, a joint research lab from CEA, CNRS, and UVSQ (*). He has written a book on the Climate for the teachers of secondary schools

François-Marie Bréon at CEA since 1993, has published 85 articles, is Directeur de recherche at CNRS, and author of the IPCC report 2013; he has been scientific manager of the ICARE group (CNES, CNRS, University of Lille), and of the POLDER and MicroCarb Space missions

 

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The somewhat abusive language of J. Poitou and F. M. Bréon (“untruths that exasperate”, “an obvious attempt to deceive”, “the climate-skeptics who are trying to deceive the public”, “such an outrageous statement should completely disqualify its author”, “once more a gross nonsense”, “does the author say that the greenhouse effect does not exist ? The author of such statements should loose any credibility in the eyes of readers with some scientific background”, “again and again a string of nonsense”) requires a careful examination of the arguments put forward by J.P. Bardinet and by the authors of the rebuttal, with all the relevant references and graphics.

We ask for the indulgence of the reader as there are some lengths and repetitions; the huge economic impact of the climate regulations and of the energy market distortions striking both the industries and the households require that no ambiguousness, no uncertainty be left.

This notice is made up of 22 almost independent “cards”.

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ISPL – Institut Pierre Simon Laplace des sciences de l’environnement

CEA – Commissariat à l’énergie atomique et aux énergies alternatives

CNRS – Centre national de la recherche scientifique

UVSQ – Université de Versailles Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines

CNES – Centre national d’études spatiales

Truth n°1 The Mean Global Temperature has been stable since 1997, despite a continuous increase of the CO2 content of the air: how could one say that the increase of the CO2 content of the air is the cause of the increase of the temperature?

[Poitou & Bréon] The causality is built upon a physical basis. The greenhouse phenomenon is well understood since more than hundred years and can be grasped by anyone with some scientific background. It has been clearly proved that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and that if its concentration in the atmosphere increases the temperature will increase. This increase is not instantaneous as there are many other drivers likes aerosols, sun, volcanic eruptions and also the natural variability of the climatic system. It is to be noted as well that due to the inertia of the system the heating of the lower atmosphere is by force delayed with respect to its cause, the same way heating a home takes some time to materialize after the central heating has been switched on

To discard observations (like the “pause” of the global mean temperatures since 1997 shown on the appended figure 1-A) the IPCC folks put forward a hypothesis (“the greenhouse effect well understood since more than hundred years“) but do not provide any definition of their “greenhouse effect“. As if this word had magical properties that no one should be allowed to investigate.

Let’s take a closer look and check whether it is well understood since more than hundred years. A handbook for university students co-written by the chairman[1] of the French National Research Council explains it’s the equivalent of a glass window transparent in the visible spectrum and opaque in the thermal infrared spectrum; but this “analogy” has been, in 1909, experimentally proven wrong by a famous specialist of optics, the professor Robert Wood of John Hopkins University[2]. After 1909, the assumptions and computations made by Arrhenius have been considered erroneous by the physicists[3] and forgotten until the forerunners of the IPCC resuscitated them without mentioning that this has no relation either with the real atmosphere or with the horticultural greenhouse where the glass panels keep the warm and humid air inside the greenhouse.

Two German professors of physics the Prof. Dr Gerlich[4] and Tscheuschner have analyzed some tens of definitions of the greenhouse effect and found that all of them are contrary to basic physics. Their 115 pages long article in the International Journal Of Modern Physics has been left open to discussion during two years on the arXiv site[5]; no one has been able to write a consistent definition of the greenhouse effect.

Two other physicists, specialists of the atmosphere[6], have shown that the ideas of the radiative-convective equilibrium and the definitions of the greenhouse effect are absurd w.r.t elementary physics. Their conclusion is Based on our findings, we argue that 1) the so-called atmospheric greenhouse effect cannot be proved by the statistical description of fortuitous weather events that took place in a climate period, 2) the description by American Meteorological Society and by the World Meteorological Organization has to be discarded because of physical reasons, 3) energy flux budgets for the Earth-atmosphere system do not provide tangible evidence that the atmospheric greenhouse effect does exist. Because of this lack of tangible evidence it is time to acknowledge that the atmospheric greenhouse effect and especially its climatic impact are based on meritless conjectures”.

As a matter of fact the radiation flow from the surface absorbed by the air is within a few percent equal to the radiation of the air impinging on the surface: that is very different of the greenhouse glass panel in the vacuum that absorbs all of the thermal infrared radiation from the surface and emits half of it upwards and half of it downwards back to the surface.

Hence all those greenhouse “pane of glass” analogies are baseless.

The radiative heat flow from a body A to a body B is: (radiation from A absorbed by B) minus (radiation of B absorbed by A).

It is about nil between the air and the surface; it would be exactly nil for an (hypothetical) isothermal atmosphere at the temperature of the surface.

There is no “radiative heat trapping” as the net heat flow is nil between surface and air. And air does not “warm the surface”!

As the air is very opaque (due to the water vapor optical thickness, except of course in the so called “water vapor window”) the radiation from the air impinging on the surface originates mostly from a very thin layer above the surface[7].

The heat lost by the radiation from the top of the air toward the cosmos is not at all fed by the radiation from the surface, but by water vapor condensation and by the solar infrared (or UV) absorbed by trace gases.

The solar heating of the surface is mostly carried away by evaporation, with some convection and some radiation arriving to the cosmos after escaping absorption by water vapor and clouds, for a global average of about 20 W/m².

Hence all the radiative-convective “models” since Manabe (1967) which assume a “radiative cooling of the surface” and forget evaporation are baseless: 71% of the surface of globe is covered by oceans, and an additional 20% of the surface covered by vegetation, driving evapotranspiration.

A recent article (2011) written by Dufresne & Treiner [8] is titled “the greenhouse effect is more subtle than generally believed“; it states that the model of the greenhouse glass panel is “doubly inexact and wrong” and that the absorption by CO2 is saturated.

Another “definition” [9] is quite different: it is G= (radiation from the surface) minus (outgoing longwave radiation (OLR)).

That G is said to measure the “heat trapped by greenhouse gases“. Ramanathan explains [10]Reduction on OLR : At a global average surface temperature of about 289 K the globally averaged emission by the surface is about 395 +/- 5 W/m² whereas the OLR (outgoing longwave radiation) is only 237 +/- 8 W/m². Thus the intervening atmosphere and clouds cause a reduction of 158 +/- 7 W/m² in the longwave emission which is the magnitude of the total greenhouse effect denoted by G in energy units. Without this effect the planet would be colder by as much as 33K [11].

Why is this complete nonsense? Because, the heat transfer between surface and air is (radiation from the surface absorbed by the air) minus (radiation of the air absorbed by the surface); G is not a heat transfer surface to air; while at the top of the air the radiation received from the cosmos at 2.7 K is negligible, the radiation of the air impinging on the surface is equal to the radiation of the surface absorbed by the air, resulting in a zero W/m² net balance.

Radiation is a diagnostic of the temperatures! The temperature lapse rate of the troposphere g/(Cp +|Ch|) is related to the gravitation (g=9.81 m/s²) and to the heating Ch of the top of the air by condensation of water vapor and by absorption of the solar infrared by water vapor and by liquid water (if any in clouds …).

All the authors who say that G is a measure of “heat trapped“, Berger, Ramanathan, Rocca, and the IPCC, apparently do not know that the equations of ideal polytropic gases show that the lapse rate equation of the troposphere T(z) = T0 + g/(Cp +|Ch|) (z-z0) is strictly equivalent to the relation between temperature and pressure T(P)/T0 = (P/P0)(R/µ) / (Cp+ |Ch|) whose exponent is 0.19 on Earth (R=8.314; µ=0.0289 is the mass of a mole of air) and 0.17 on Venus. Referring {T0, P0} to the upper layer of the air that radiates toward the cosmos {T0, P0} is {255 K, 0.53 atm} on Earth and is {230 K, 0.1 atm} on Venus.

It is not the infrared emission that cools the surface as in the so-called radiative equilibrium models because the net radiative heat transfer surface to air is about nil, but the evaporation whose thermostatic effect cannot be overstated: increasing the surface temperature by +1°C increases the evaporation by 6%; where evaporation is 100 W/m², this removes an additional 6 W/m² from the surface.

Hence we cannot accept that the “greenhouse phenomenon is well understood” as there is not a single physically consistent definition.

There is no ground to discard almost two decades of high quality satellite observation of the temperatures of the lower troposphere.

And if the “radiative forcing” is supposed to have been perfectly working over the 1975-1997 time span, with no delay, why did it stall afterwards?

Let’s now take a closer look at the CO2 content of the air on figure 1-A: the slope d[CO2]/dt is roughly constant; this hints to a relation like:

Slope of the CO2 content of the air = d (CO2)/ dt = k (T(t)- T0) where t is the time.

Such a relation has been proved by several authors (Beenstock & Reingewertz, Salby, Park[12]) using quite different methods; notice n°17 will come back to this most important topic. The Henry law of degassing is well known to amateurs of sparkling drinks which are tastier when kept cool. The CO2 content of the air is a consequence and a follow-up of the temperatures

Figure 1-A HadCRUT4 serie of the surface temperature anomalies and Mauna Loa CO2 series 1997 to end 2012

from the web site www.pensee-unique.fr .

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Conclusions:

The observations of a global mean temperature “flat” with no linear trend since 1997 cannot be discarded.

Those observations do contradict the conjecture of a “greenhouse effect” for which there is no physically admissible definition at hand: there is no “heat trapping” between surface and air as the net radiative heat flow between those bodies is about nil

The main features of the atmosphere both on Earth and on Venus are easily deduced from the basic polytropic equations of the ideal gases.

The observations show that in the last decades as in geological times the CO2 content of the air is a consequence of the temperatures and cannot be their cause.

Truth n°2 57% of the cumulative anthropic emissions since the beginning of the Industrial revolution have been emitted since 1997, but the temperature has been stable. How to uphold that anthropic CO2 emissions (or anthropic cumulative emissions) cause an increase of the Global Mean Temperature?

[Note 1: since 1880 the only one period where Global Mean Temperature and CO2 content of the air increased simultaneously has been 1978-1997. From 1910 to 1940, the Global Mean Temperature increased at about the same rate as over 1978-1997, while CO2 anthropic emissions were almost negligible. Over 1950-1978 while CO2 anthropic emissions increased rapidly the Global Mean Temperature dropped. From Vostok and other ice cores we know that it’s the increase of the temperature that drives the subsequent increase of the CO2 content of the air, thanks to ocean out-gassing, and not the opposite. The same process is still at work nowadays]

[Poitou & Bréon] See previous point 1. Regarding the analysis of the Vostok ice cores it is quite obvious that anthropic CO2 was not the driver of the climate changes. But it is well understood that the CO2 has been amplifying the warming due to the changes of the orbital parameters of the Earth. Without this effect the contrast between glacial and interglacial periods would have been much smaller.

For the Vostok ice core is there really a “well understood’ amplifying effect of CO2 during deglaciation? The delay between temperature changes and CO2 changes has been [13] found to be a few centuries: this is the minimum observable time in those ice cores because the closing time of air paths between ice crystals of the firn, several centuries, acts on the CO2 record as a frequency low-pass filter whose time constant is some centuries.

Oceanic cores show that the warming near the poles takes place before that of the inter-tropical surface[14]. Jeffrey Glassman [15] has found that the non-linear Henry law of degassing can be spotted on the Vostok deglaciation data, underlining again that the CO2 in the air is a consequence of the temperatures, not their cause.

An explanation of the surprisingly quick deglaciation with respect to glaciations [16] has been provided by Prof. O. G Sorokhtin. [17]

Figure 2-A HadCRU T3 series of the monthly Global Mean Surface Temperature anomaly w.r.t. the mean over 1961-1990 and its best approximation by the sum of three sinusoids of periods 1000 years, 210 years and 60 years.

Note the great El Niños of 1878, 1939-40, 1941-42 and 1997-98 that started a change of sign of the slope.

Nota: 150 years of observations do not fully constrain the optimization and the red curve is a heuristic example

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The truth n°2 is important because IPCC (AR5 summary for policy makers, 2013, page 15 § D2 figure SPM 10) states that the temperature increase is a simple function like (2 CAE/1000)°C of the Cumulative Anthropic Emissions (CAE) that were 153 Gt-C end 1978 at the beginning of the global satellite lower troposphere temperature measurements, 257 Gt-C at the beginning of the “hiatus in the warming” and 402 Gt-C end 2014. This graphics SPM10 is supposed to “prove” that in order to keep the warming below 2°C w.r.t 1870 the cumulative anthropic emissions must be capped to about 1000 Gt-C. But if the temperature has been stable while the cumulative anthropic emissions increased by 57%, is the graphics SPM10 of IPCC AR5 believable?

Lets take a closer look at the temperature records: Figure 2-A suggests natural cycles of periods 60 years (found as well by Macias et al [18]), 210 years and 1000 years plus modulation by the El Niño events and by some volcanic events (Krakatoa 1883, Katmai 1912, ..). Figure 2-B suggests that since 1979 there has been a jump of at most 0.3°C during the great El Niño of 1997-98; (see figure 15-A showing that El Niño paces the global temperatures as the water of the warm pool is redistributed to the oceanic surface layer at higher latitudes).Those oscillations exist since millennia and are not related to CO2.

Hence we can say that no CO2 effect on the temperatures has been observed since 1978 despite an increase of 263% of the cumulative anthropic emissions (263% = 402 Gt-C /153 Gt-C).

Figure 2-B: RSS MSU lower troposphere global average temperature January 1979 to Sept 2014.

Best Linear Fits: 0,029 °C + 0,007 (t- 1997) before January 1997 and 0.24 °C – 0,0006 (t-1997) afterwards.

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Moreover the life-time of a CO2 molecule in the atmosphere is about 5 years because 5 years is the ratio of the stock of CO2 in the air to the yearly absorption of CO2 by the plants and the oceans[19].

Hence there were no more than 24 ppm = 5 years x 10 Gt-C / 2.12 (Gt-C/ppm) of anthropic emissions in the air at the end of 2014, and 5 ppm = 5 years x 2.1 Gt-C / 2.12 (Gt-C/ppm) at the end of 1958. Such a small anthropic content of the air cannot have any effect on the temperature even we believed in the Myrhe formula of IPCC : T”- T’= 5(°C) ln ( CO2″ / CO2′).

The most obvious tricks on the IPCC/2013/SPM10 figure are:

* the averaging of the temperatures over ten calendar years (like 2001-2010) discards all evidence of natural cycles and makes the El Niño disappear as both the main pacemaker and the cause of temperature jumps

* the Pinatubo dust veil effect (1992-1993) is, thanks to this averaging, morphed into a CO2 related temperature increase

* the small anthropic emissions of 1870-1950 are assumed to be the only cause of the significant temperature fluctuations since the end of the little ice age !

* the very idea of a cumulative effect of anthropic emissions is (akin an infinite lifetime) not consistent with the evidence of a five year life time of CO2 molecules in the air, equal to the ratio stock/(yearly absorption).

 

Truth n°3 The amount of CO2 in the air from anthropic emissions is today no more than 6% of the total CO2 in the air (as shown by the isotopic ratios 13C/12C) instead of the 25% to 30% said by IPCC

[Poitou & Bréon] This statement is very obviously wrong as shown by the Vostok ice core and by other cores from the Antarctic. Indeed over the last 800 000 years the CO2 content of the air never exceeded 300 ppm; today its 400 ppm. If the 100 ppm difference – a quarter of the present concentration- is not due to anthropic activities, which is its cause that never occurred over the last 800 000 years

There is no need to fetch glimpses of a distant past from the Vostok ice core. Today’s observations are unambiguous!

The delta13C is a linear function of the ratio of the number of atoms 13C to 12C; the delta13C of a mixture is the quantity-weighted average of the delta13C of the components of the mixture. The delta13C of the anthropic emissions has been changing with the proportion of coal, oil and natural gas in the energy mix and went from -26 pm (pm= per mil) for the mostly coal and oil economies of the 1950s to -29.5 pm near year 2000 and back to -28.5 pm with the revival of the coal since 2003-2005.

6% (-28.5 pm ) +94% (-7 pm) = (-8.3 pm) which is the observed value (figure 3-A)

The 6% are: (lifetime 5 years) x (yearly anthropic emissions 10 Gt-C) /(total CO2 in the air of 850 Gt-C)

IPCC writes page 10 § B.5 of the Summary for Policy Makers: “From those cumulative anthropic emissions 240 [230 à 250] Gt-C have accumulated in the atmosphere”

As (240 / 840) = 28% and as 28% (-28 pm) + 72% (-7 pm) = ( -13 pm) the IPCC statement is grossly wrong: the observations are quite different of the (-13) per mil, as shown figure 3-A below.

Figure 3-A Monthly observations of the delta13C in per mil (pm) as a function of time at the south pole (blue), at Crozet Island (red), at the passage of Drake (magenta) and the envelope (yearly max and yearly min) of the observations at Mauna Loa (19°30N and 3400 m) (black)

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Note that the non-anthropic (or natural) delta13C becomes very slowly more negative (from -6.5 per mil preindustrial to about -7 per mil now) with the replacement of CO2 molecules absorbed by the vegetation by molecules out-gassed from soils by the oxidation of the organic material of plants grown years to centuries before: the delta13C of the air was then slightly less negative. The same long delays apply to the degassing from the oceanic upwellings that recycle carbon absorbed at higher latitudes tens of years before.

The comment by Poitou & Bréon assumes that the air inclusions recovered in the ice cores have the same CO2 content as the air on the surface at the time of the closing of the last air paths between ice crystals: this is unlikely and debated.

 

Truth n°4 The lifetime of CO2 in the atmosphere is about 5 years instead of the 100 years said by IPCC

[Poitou & Bréon] Where does IPCC say that in its 2013 report or in the AR4, about the lifetime in the air? No such thing has been said.

This is again the mark of an obvious misunderstanding of the atmospheric phenomena.

Can you explain what is the cause of the increase of the CO2 content of the air that never occurred in the 800 000 years before.

Climate-sceptics who claim the lifetime of CO2 in the atmosphere is less than 10 years built upon the ratio stock/ (yearly absorption). Such a computation is only valid for a given equilibrium. The 4 to 5 Gt-C that accumulate in the air kick the system out of equilibrium. The CO2 lifetime then involves exchanges between surface ocean and deep oceans and residence times become much longer beyond a century.

 

IPCC “says it” in AR4 with the Bern formula page 213 note a, table 2-14.

The probability of survival of a molecule expressed as exp(-t/u) where u is the mean lifetime can be deduced from the identity

d[CO2]/dt = foutgassing(t) + fanthropic(t) – fabsorbed(t)

Let’s assume u = [CO2]/ fabsorbed be constant, then

[CO2](t) = exp(- (t-t0) /u) [CO2](t0) + òt0t ( foutgassing(t’) + fanthropic(t’) ) exp(-(t-t’) /u) dt’

This derivation of [CO2](t) does not assume any given equilibrium between ingress and egress; the only hypothesis made is that the absorption grows with [CO2] due to fertilization of the air by CO2: more food, bigger plants and quicker growth, more leafs and so on; see on notice n°2 in the footnotes the references of some observations made during the last fifty years.

The monthly increments d[CO2]/dt computed for dt= 12 months from the Mauna Loa series of [CO2] are displayed on figure 4-A; they have no resemblance to the much smoother series of the anthropic emissions, but mimic very well the series of the inter-tropical temperature anomalies T(t); indeed for the non anthropic part:

foutgassing(t) – fabsorbed(t) = k (T(t)- T0)

(see references on card n°1 and more details on card n°17).

Figure 4-A Monthly increments over the last 12 months of the CO2 content in ppm measured at Mauna Loa observatory (altitude 3400 m; 19°30 N)

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Can you explain what is the cause of the increase of the CO2 content of the air? Indeed foutgassing(t) – fabsorbed(t) = k (T(t)- T0)

The year to year increase of the anthropic content of the air is

òt0t fanthropic(t’) exp(-(t-t’) /u) dt’ – òt0t-1 fanthropic(t’) exp(-(t-t’) /u) dt’ =

òt-1t fanthropic(t’)) exp(-(t-t’) /u) dt’ – (1 – exp(-1/u)) òt0t-1 fanthropic(t’)) exp(-(t-1-t’) /u) dt’

that is the difference between the emissions of the last year and (1/u) times the cumulative weighted emissions of the previous years.

Please note that due to the 5 years lifetime, what is “accumulating in the air” is not the anthropic emissions themselves but roughly their increase over the last five years; for instance during the last years the yearly increase of the emissions was about 2%/year that is 2% 10 Gt-C = 0.2 Gt-C or 0.1 ppm; with u = 5 the increase of the anthropic content of the air was about 5 years x 0.1 ppm = +0.5 ppm/year as can be checked by a direct computation.

Can you explain what is the cause of the increase of the CO2 content of the air that never occurred in the 800 000 years before.

The low pass frequency filtering due to the century long compaction time of the snow crystals in the firn and the effects of the pressure on the air inclusions (both during the closing of air-paths in the firn and during the withdrawal of the ice core) significantly change the amplitude and phase of the CO2 content of the ice core with respect to the isotopic content of the surrounding ice.

Figure 4-B compares the Bern formulas that, according IPCC, say the part of the anthropic emissions still in the air after t years

(21.7 + 25.9 exp(-t/172.9) + 33.8 Exp(-t/18.51) + 18.6 Exp(-t/1.186)) % (in black) or

(18 + 14 exp(-t/420) + 18 exp(-t/70) + 24 exp(-t/21) + 26 exp(-t/3.4) ) % (in red)

Those expressions are obviously best fit transfer function between the series of anthropic emissions and the Mauna Loa series, with six or eight freely adjustable parameters.

IPCC AR5 2013 SPM § B.5 says that “240 [230 to 250] Gt-C from the anthropic emissions have accumulated in the atmosphere” from 1750 to 2011. This fits well with the Bern formulas but not at all with the isotopic delta13C ratios (card n°3).

Figure 4-B Fraction of anthropic emissions remaining in the air for both Bern formulas (black and red)

The magenta line is at 1/e= 36,8%. The blue curve is exp(-t / 5.5 years)

The orange curve is exp(-t / 100) and intersects the Bern curves at about t= 100 years

Formula 21.7% + 25.9% exp(-t/172.9)+… in black: 36,4% remaining in the air after 100 years

Formula 18% + 14% exp(-t/420) + in red: 33.5% remaining in the air after 100 years

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Applying the Bern formula to the series of the anthropic emissions of coal, oil and gas (plus cement factories) since 1750, with a rough estimate of the delta13C of those emissions (from -26 pm for the mostly coal and oil economies to -29.5 pm near year 2000 and back to -28.5 pm with the revival of the coal between 2003 and 2012) leads to a delta13C of the air drawn in blue on figure 4-C; the measured values are in red.

Figure 4-C) Blue: delta13C of the air computed according to the Bern formula of IPCC (AR4 page 213) starting in 1750 from -6,5 pm and 277 ppm as “preindustrial” Red: observations (Mauna Loa)

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Historical Note: The “much longer, beyond a century ” residence times arose in papers by Bert Bolin, first chair and co-founder of the IPCC [20]. He assumed that the Revelle factor used to describe the ionic equilibrium inside the ocean between the total dissolved carbon and carbonic acid should apply as well between air and ocean, assuming the equality of the partial pressures in the air and in the ocean. There is no such thing! Out-gassing zones (mostly inter-tropical) and absorption zones (mostly high latitudes) of the ocean are different and distant (notice n°17).

The completely different decay times in the two Bern formulas (172.9 years or 420 years? , 1.186 or 3.4 years ? etc.) show that those tales about the transit into the depths of the oceans are pure obfuscation without physical meaning.

Addendum about the relation d[CO2]/dt = foutgassing(t) + fanthropic(t) – fabsorbed(t): the IPCC hypothesis is foutgassing(t) = fabsorbed(t) within a few percent with very little change since the little ice age; the observations suggest fabsorbed(t) /[CO2] = constant = 1/lifetime.

Changes from IPCC AR4 (figure 7-3 p. 515) to IPCC AR5 (figure 6.1 page 471): the absorption by the oceans went down from

92.2 Gt-C = 70 (preindustrial) +22.2 Gt-C to 80 Gt-C = 60 (preindustrial) +20 Gt-C while the absorption by terrestrial vegetation went up from 122.6 Gt-C= 120 (preindustrial) + 2.6 Gt-C to 123 Gt-C = 108.9 (preindustrial) + 14.1 Gt-C; the change from 2.6 to 14.1 reflects a reassessment of the fertilization by the additional CO2 in the air since the 277 ppm assumed for the “preindustrial” , but is still a factor 2 or 3 lower than the observations between 1960 and 2010 related by the papers of Graven & Keeling, Myneni, Donohue, Pretzsch, Hansen and Sun referenced at the end of card n°1 (footnote 19). The numbers for the oceans are roughly consistent with a constant lifetime since “preindustrial”, but the absorption by terrestrial vegetation should be corrected to about 120 Gt-C = 83 (preindustrial) +37 Gt-C.

Truth n°5 … The Global Mean Temperature curve displays a 60 years period that may be related to the motion of the sun around the centre of mass of the solar system. We are at a maximum of the sinusoid and the next years should be cooler, as it has been the case after 1950

 

[Poitou & Bréon] We would like an explanation of the link between the position of the sun w.r.t the centre of mass of the solar system and the temperature on Earth. As the motion of the sun w.r.t the centre of mass is linked to the planetary motions, the author has just invented the climatic astrology

Climatic cycles are well documented on all proxies of paleo-temperatures. The relation between the 60 years cycle and the position of the sun has been discussed by many authors (for instance professor Scafetta [21]) in tens of books and papers.

Assuming that the Earth moves around the centre of mass of the solar system, the insolation in January and July may change in opposition by up to more than 1% [22]

Those 60 years cycles are prominent on the HadCRUT (figure 5-A) curve used by IPCC as they are in the reconstructions of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation for the past millennium.

Figure 5-A HadCRU T3 series of the monthly Global Mean Surface Temperature anomaly w.r.t. 1961-1990 average anomaly and its best approximation by three sinusoids of periods 1000 years, 210 years and 60 years. Note the great El Niños of 1878, 1939-40, 1941-42 and 1997-98 that started a change of sign of the slope.

150 years of observations do not fully constrain the optimization and the red curve is an heuristic example

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The physical explanation of 1000 year cycles of the paleo-temperatures may be an open question: they are prominent on figures 5-B and 5-C.

Figure 5-B [23] Reconstruction [Christiansen & Ljundqvist; 2013] of the extratropical temperatures of the Northern Hemisphere in °C, as anomaly w.r.t. the 1880-1960 average. The thin black curve is from the annual values; the smoothed red curve is a 50 year average with the 2.5% probability quantiles as dashed lines. The yellow curve is the instrumental temperature averaged only over those cells (5° latitude 5° longitude) which have at least one proxy

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The little ice age (1360-1860) is exemplified by many observations in China, and on figure 5-C by the advances and retreats of the longest European glacier: there are about 1000 years between the Minoan (1300 BC) , Roman (100 BC), Medieval (950 AD) and Contemporary optima. Most (about 2/3) of the recent recession of the glacier occurred between 1860 and 1957 and cannot be ascribed to the anthropic emissions of CO2 which were then insignificant: 0,083 Gt-C in 1859, 1,3 Gt-C in 1940 and 2,2 Gt-C in 1956 with an assumed CO2 content of the air -from Law Dome ice core- of 286 ppm in 1859, 310 ppm in 1940 and 314 ppm in 1956.

Figure 5-C Lower limit of the great glacier of Aletsch (Switzerland) (length 23 km) from 1500 BC to 2000 AD ( from Holzhauer)

On the left years 1859 to 2002, on the right meters w.r.t. the maximum extension of the glacier during the little ice age

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Truth n°6 The absorption of the radiation from the surface by the CO2 of the air is nearly saturated. Measuring what is left from the radiation of a broadband IR source (like a 1000°C black body) after crossing the equivalent of the CO2 content of the air (6 kg/m²) shows that the strong bands of absorption by CO2 near 4.3 and 15 microns have been absorbed and replaced by the emission of the trace gas at its own temperature.

 

[Poitou & Bréon] This kind of statement proves that the author has not understood the basis of the greenhouse effect. It is because the air has a vertical temperature lapse rate and a thickness much above the average infrared photon path length that the greenhouse effect exists and increases with the concentration of the greenhouse gases: see “The atmospheric greenhouse effect is more subtle than you believe” in La Météorologie (n°72 February 2011)

 

Almost the same text as in La Météorologie (” … more subtle than you believe”) has been published by the same authors in the periodical La Découverte[24]. There, it is written that the absorption of surface radiation by CO2 is saturated and that the decrease in the global outgoing longwave emission due to more CO2 in the air is only due to the “higher and cooler” emission level of tropospheric CO2 radiating to the cosmos.

Let us look at those radiative effects. The cm-1 is a unit of frequency used in optics which is 29.9792 GHz (GHz = giga Hertz).

The transmission of diffuse infrared radiation by a layer of optical thickness t is the special function 2E3(t) which is approximately exp(-t)/(1+0.65 t); transmission is 20% for t=1.07, 1.8% for t=3 and 7 10-6 for t=10.

If the temperature of the air as function of the optical thickness is smooth, then 80% of the photons radiated by the air and reaching the cosmos originate from a layer of thickness 1.07 near the “top of the air”.

And 80% of the photons radiated by the air to the surface come from a layer of optical thickness 1.07 near the surface.

Figure 6-A shows that the water vapour of the air is very opaque over almost all the thermal infrared spectrum, from radiofrequencies at some cm-1 up to 2220 cm-1, except in the 350 cm-1 wide “water vapour window” from 770 cm-1 to 1180 cm-1.

CO2 is opaque from say 580 cm-1 to 750 cm-1, over 170 cm-1, about a tenth of the spectrum where water vapour is opaque.

Figure 6-A Optical thickness t of the atmosphere as function of the optical frequency for the two main trace gases: water vapour (blue) and carbon dioxide (red)

25 kg/m² is about the global average of water vapour on the air that goes from 1 or 2 kg/m² (extreme winter polar conditions) up to 80 kg/m² (near the equatorial convective “chimney” at the confluence of the trade winds)

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Figure 6-B is a zoom on the spectrum relevant for CO2 : the water vapour content of the air is very sensitive to the temperatures [25] and is concentrated in the lowest layers: 80% of it is in the first 250 mbar, below 2.3 km; the CO2 is “well mixed” and its bulk does not see the surface radiation that has already been absorbed by water vapour and by the low clouds.

What would be the effect of doubling the CO2 content of the air?

Transmission will be reduced from 2E3( twater vapor + tclouds + tCO2) to 2E3( twater vapor + tclouds + 2 tCO2) that is about

2E3( twater vapor + tclouds) f(tCO2)

where f(tCO2) is maximum at (1/4) for tCO2 = 0.42 and is negligible if tCO2 is small or large (say tCO2 >2).

Hence some additional absorption of the surface radiation may occur between 750 cm-1 and 800 cm-1 if (twater vapor + tclouds) <2.

For a mid latitude summer reference profile this additional absorption is about 0.8 W/m² and of course the radiation of the air to the surface increases by about the same amount (or even somewhat more): the radiative heat transfer between surface and air becomes then even more negligible.

Hence less than 0.8 W/m² radiated from the surface do no longer reach the cosmos[26] and are carried away by the evaporation associated with a minuscule temperature increase of the surface: for evaporation at +6W/m²/°C, the required temperature increase would be 0.13°C spread over the 200 years it would take to double the CO2 content of the air at the rate of +2 ppm/year.

The global outgoing longwave radiation will not be changed as this latent heat will feed the radiation to the cosmos of the water vapour … where the condensation takes place.

The saturation of the absorption can be said because 0.8 (W/m²) / 400 (W/m²) = 0.002, two thousandths!

The article quoted (“… more subtle …”) says: ” … the result is unexpected ad raises a crucial interrogation… for carbon dioxide the absorption by the atmosphere of the infrared radiation [from the surface] does practically does not change.” Indeed!

Figure 6-B Zoom on the optical thickness t of the air near 15 µm or 666 cm-1 (left magenta, right red) and of water vapour (in blue)

The level corresponding to an optical thickness 1 from the top of the air is for CO2 at about P(atm) = (1/tCO2 )(1/1.45) that is at or above the tropopause (0.2 atm) for tCO2 =10

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The altitude where the radiation to the cosmos takes place with the associated cooling of the top of the air is near t=1 from the top of the air, that is at a pressure (1/ tmax H2O) (1/4.5) or (1/ tmax CO2) (1/1.45); the line by line computation of figure 6-C is a morphing from figure 6-A.

Figure 6-C Heating and cooling of the air in milli-K/day/cm-1 as a function of pressure and of optical frequency; tropical case with a tropopause at about 100 mbar; pale blue is were the cooling is negligible (from Brindley & Harries 1998, Sparc 2000: see Andrew Gettelman Observations from AIRS and applications to climate and climate modeling )

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Let us now consider the “higher and cooler” argument. According to Ramanathan et al. (1987) and Hansen et al. (2011) [27]: »The basic physics underlying this global warming, the greenhouse effect, is simple. An increase of gases such as CO2 makes the atmosphere more opaque at infrared wavelengths. This added opacity causes the planet’s heat radiation to space to arise from higher, colder levels in the atmosphere, thus reducing emission of heat energy to space. The temporary imbalance between the energy absorbed from the Sun and heat emission to space, causes the planet to warm until planetary energy balance is restored.«

The level P1.07 of the optical thickness t=1.07 from the top of the air, is the lower limit of the layer sourcing 80% of the photons lost to the cosmos; this level is the solution of 1 = tmax H2O P1.07 H2O 4.5 or 1= tmax CO2 P1.07 CO2 1.45: see figure 6-C and the more sketchy figure 6-D. Doubling tmax CO2 uppers the CO2 level from P1.07 CO2 to P”= 0.62 P1.07 CO2 as shown on figure 6-D. There are about 40 cm-1 near 610 cm-1 and near 730 cm-1 where CO2 would radiate from a cooler and higher layer after an instantaneous CO2 doubling with all temperature and humidity of the troposphere kept FIXED.

Figure 6-D) Pressure (in atm) of the level above which 80% of the photons radiated by the air and reaching the cosmos are produced

Solutions of tH2Omax P 4,5 = 1.07 (for w= 25 kg/m² and 50 kg/m²) and of tCO2max P1,45 = 1.07 and 2 tCO2max P1,45 = 1.07

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Let’s now see the man-traps of the “higher and cooler” argument

* CO2 doubling is not instantaneous but, at +2 ppm/year, would take about 200 years; hence there is plenty of time for convection and water vapour to restore the “ emission of heat energy to space” as they do every day and night

* If CO2 radiates from higher and cooler (In the troposphere only !) there will be more cooling of the 250 mbar layer (near 610 cm-1 and near 730 cm-1) and less cooling at 350 mbar: this is likely to be erased by convection

* the water vapour content of upper layer of the air (in blue figure 6-D) will change by about 12%/K near the tropopause and is reduced by the enhanced cooling of the 250 mbar layer; hence the water vapour radiation will the be from a “lower and warmer” level, with a very significant spectral leverage of a factor of ten (400 cm-1 for the water vapour w.r.t to 40 cm-1 for the CO2).

The above quoted statement by Ramanathan et al. ignores the difference between CO2 and the phase changing water vapour and the inherent instability of the “more cooling above, more heating below“.

 

Truth n°7 In some geological periods the CO2 content of the air has been up to 20 times today’s content and there has been no runaway temperature increase! Why would our CO2 emissions have a cataclysmic impact? The laws of Nature are the same whatever the place and the time.

 

[Poitou & Bréon] At the Carboniferous the CO2 content was much less than 25 times today’s and the solar radiation was significantly lower. At the end of the Carboniferous the temperature was very low at high latitudes (glaciations), warm in the tropics and the CO2 content was comparable to todays as see on the figure below

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Glaciations with some ice caps occur every 140 million years: this has been related to the crossing of a galactic arm by the solar system, with the hypothesis connecting strong cosmic rays impinging the Earth and enhanced low cloud coverage.

See:

N. Shaviv, “Cosmic Ray Diffusion from the Galactic Spiral Arms, Iron Meteorites, and a Possible Climatic Connection”, Physical Review Letters 89, 051102, (2002).

N. Shaviv, “The spiral structure of the Milky Way, cosmic rays, and ice age epochs on Earth”, New Astronomy 8, 39 (2003)

Veizer, Ján “Celestial Climate Driver: A Perspective from Four Billion Years of the Carbon Cycle” Geoscience Canada volume 32 Number 1 March 2005 pp -13-28

Shaviv, N.J. and Veizer, J., 2003, “Celestial driver of Phanerozoic climate?” : GSA Today, v. 13/7, p. 4-10

Svensmark, Henrik Evidence of nearby supernovae affecting life on Earth Mon. Not. R. Astron. Soc April 2012

Sorokhtin O. G., G.V.Chilingar, L.F. Khilyuk “Global Warming and Global Cooling Evolution of the Climate of the Earth” Elsevier 2007, 313 pages

Truth n°8 The sea level is increasing by about 1.3 mm/year according to the data of the tide-gauges (after correction of the emergence or subsidence of the rock to which the tide gauge is attached, nowadays precisely known thanks to high precision GPS instrumentation); no acceleration has been observed during the last decades; the raw measurements at Brest since 1846 and at Marseille since the 1880s are slightly less than 1.3 mm/year.

[Poitou & Bréon] The reader will see there an obvious attempt to deceive. Why use the Brest tide gauge as representative of the world’s oceans, the sea level is very well measured by satellite, and those measurements show unambiguously a rise by 3 mm/year. Compiling data from tide gauges around the globe clearly suggest an accelerating trend. The sea level rise is by no means uniform: sea is not flat. Currents play an important role in the geographical distribution of the sea level rise. The French measurements are related to a minute share of the oceans.

A “clean” International Terrestrial Reference Frame recalibration of the GPS data [28] leaves +1.3 mm/year for a representative set of tide gauges over the world. For the protection of the coasts it is the tide-gauges and the highest sea level during tempests and high tides that are relevant!

For France the tide-gauges of Brest (n°1 of the psml.org database) and Marseilles are relevant: figure 8-A from a recent thesis [29] show yearly averages of the levels of the mean high water and mean low water (1846-2007). The 18.6 years lunar cycles are prominent and have sometimes been mistaken for short-time accelerations of the mean sea level.

Figure 8-A (Nicolas Pouvreau) Yearly average levels of the mean high water and mean low water (1846-2007) at Brest. The vertical lines are the time of the minimum declination of the Moon while the dotted vertical lines are those of the maximum declination of the Moon (from Pugh 2004)

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The monthly averaged sea levels since 1807 (figure 8-B) show +19 cm over two centuries (difference of the averages of the 120 first months of data and of the 120 last months of data).The highest monthly average peaks, all in winter, are likely due to storms: 12 hours of strong wind (80 km/h) mean +1 m at the coast in addition to the 1 cm/mbar effect of the depression.

Figure 8-B Monthly levels at Brest since 1807: main maxima are Dec. 1821 (7225 mm), Nov. 1852 (7233 mm), Dec. 1876 (7322 mm), Feb. 1966 (7422 mm) and Dec. 2000 (7426 mm) http://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/rlr.monthly.data/1.rlrdata clip_image035

In August 1986 the German weekly Der Spiegel pictured on its cover the cathedral of Colognes half under water, under the title “Klimakatastrophe”, while in 1998 James Hansen warned about a sea level rise of + 3m in New-York in 2030.

The satellites teams (Topex-Poseidon and following experiments) have manufactured a surprising change of the slope since 1993 from 1.3 mm/year to 3 mm/year and more, which has been shown to be entirely due to recalibrations [30] in the processing of the raw data!

May be, this has been done to give consistence to the myths of the accelerated melting (or calving) of the Greenland ice cap[31] or of Antarctica and of a noticeable thermal expansion of the depth of the ocean.

360 Gt water are needed to uplift the global sea level by 1 mm; there are “reconciled (averaged) estimates” [32] over 2000-2011 of yearly losses of 211 Gt for Greenland and of 87 Gt for the Antarctica contradicting reliable observations of an average yearly mass gain of 49 Gt for Antarctica[33].

The non sense forecasts collated and edited by the IPCC have been debunked in many books and posts.

On the “very surprising” recalibrations of the ENVISAT data which were morphed from being flat over 2004-2011 into a sea level rise of 2.3 mm/year see the post[34].

Of the +1.3 mm/year some 0.5 mm/year or more may in the last decade have come from the net depletion of groundwater that in some countries are pumped in excess of their refilling[35]; the rest comes from glaciers (mostly the arctic glacier) and from Greenland.

Compiling data from tide gauges around the globe clearly suggest an accelerating trendNot at all! For the Pacific islands to the northeast and east of Australia said to be “drowning” the observed (tide gauge) levels have been “flat” since 1992 (see figure 10 of http://www.bom.gov.au/ntc/IDO60102/IDO60102.2011_1.pdf) [36] and the year to year changes are within +-20 cm.

For some more interesting forecasts see http://climatechangepredictions.org/category/sea-level

Truth n°9 The “hot spot” in the inter-tropical high troposphere is, according to all “models” and to the IPCC reports, the indubitable proof of the water vapour feedback amplification of the warming: it has not been observed and does not exist.

 

[Poitou & Bréon] Who is supposed to forecast what? This point put forward by the Climate Sceptics has been proved wrong since more than ten years

The question “Who is supposed to forecast what?” has well documented answers. The hot spot is, since the beginning of the 3D models 35 years ago, quite prominent in all the forecasts: it has been described at length in the IPCC 2007 report (pp. 674-676 and figures 9-1, 9-2). It was prominent in the publications of Hansen since 1981, as on figure 9-A of http://www.agu.org/books/gm/v029/ of 1984

Figure 9-A Effect of the doubling of the carbon dioxide content of the air: note on the lowest graphic the 7°C hot spot at 250 mbar and on the middle graphic +12°C in winter on the rim of Antarctica and on the arctic polar cycle, +5°C over the Sahara, +4°C over the whole Pacific ocean. source: Hansen 1981 & 1984

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The hot spot is the key component of the supposed water vapour feedback amplification of the warming; hence a closer examination is well deserved: figure 9-B compares models (with a warming of up to +4°C/century at 10 km that is supposed to propagate down to the surface with the almost constant lapse rate) and observations. The lack of hot spot is shown [37] by figures 9-B and 9-D.

Figure 9-B Left Comparison of observations and of models (IPCC 2007) in °C/decades (from Douglas et al 2008)

Right a modern picture of the “hot spot”

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Figure 9-C Comparison of the trends in °C/decades according to 22 so called “models” between surface and 100 hPa 1979-2005

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A refined statistical analysis has been performed in 2010 [38] shown on figure 9-D.

Figure 9-D Comparison of the trends in °C/ decade of the models with the temperatures series of the high troposphere from satellite microwave units as assembled by UAH and by RSS and with radio-sondes (Mc Kritrick et al. 2010)

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Truth n° 10 The water vapour content of the air has been roughly constant since more than 50 years but the humidity of the upper layers of the troposphere has been decreasing: the IPCC foretold the opposite to assert its “positive water vapour feedback” with increasing CO2. The observed “feedback” is negative.

[Poitou & Bréon] IPCC has foreseen an increase of the water vapor content of the air and this has been observed. Climate Sceptics who are trying to deceive the public often show the water content of the high troposphere as if it was the whole atmosphere. The trend in the high atmosphere which is very dry is of course different of the trend for the whole atmosphere

 

The outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) of the globe to the cosmos is about 233 W/m² (figure 14-A below) sum of 20 W/m² from the surface [39], 20W/m² from the stratospheric ozone and carbon dioxide and of 193 W/m² from the radiation of the water vapour, that contributes about 83% of the OLR. This radiation originates mostly from the highest layer of optical thickness 1.07 which is the source of 80% of the photons reaching the cosmos[40].

As shown on card n°6, it’s the water content of the high troposphere above 600 mbar that drives the OLR, not the total water content. IPCC 2013, § D3 of the Summary for Policy Makers, writes that anthropic influences have contributed to the increase of the mean water content of the air, with a caveat: medium confidence or may-be an equal likelihood for the statement to be false or true! [41] The water vapour content of the air between the top of the air and the altitude of pressure P (atm) is decreasing roughly like P4.5 [42] : hence 80% of the total water vapour is between P=1 and P=0.75 near 2.3 km, and the total water content of the air closely follows the surface temperature.

Figure 10-A Plot of the water vapor content of the air 1988 2009 (global average) from the M VAP-M archive in kg/m² or mm of water https://eosweb.larc.nasa.gov/project/nvap/nvap-m_table drawing by http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=4871

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If there is slightly less water vapour in the upper troposphere near 300 mbar then the OLR from water vapour will originate from a lower and warmer layer and the OLR will increase. Hence while the bulk of the water vapour in the lowest layers (2.3 km) closely tracks the temperature of the surface, it’s the water vapour content of the high troposphere that controls the outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) and the global balance of the absorbed solar radiation with the OLR.[43]

Prof. Ole Humlum (www.climate4you.com) has drawn the estimates of the water vapour content (0.28 g/kg to 0.24 g/kg) for the 300 mbar layer from Jan 1948 to June 2014 (figure 10-B) [44]

Figure 10-B quantity of water vapor in the air at three levels in g/kg at 300 mbar (9 km), 600 mbar (4.2 km) at 1000 mbar, Jan. 1948 to June 2014 https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/noaa20esrl20atmospericspecifichumidity20globalmonthlytempsince194820with37monthrunningaverage1.gif

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The relative humidity suggests as well that the OLR from the water vapour in the spectral regions where figure 6-A shows high optical thickness has been slowly increasing, as the source of radiation to the cosmos moved to slightly “lower and warmer” layers.

Figure 10-C Relative Humidity since 1948 from balloon borne soundings at 700 mbar, 600 mbar, 500 mbar, 400 mbar & 300 mbar.(see also http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/cgi-bin/data/timeseries/timeseries1.pl from reanalyzes)

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Truth n° 11 The maximum area of the Austral ice pack is increasing

 

[Poitou & Bréon] And then what? This is not contrary to what the IPCC says. This information is in its last report. Those records figures are for the end of the austral winter. This ice disappears almost completely in summer. A more relevant information would be the yearly average of the mass of the ice pack.

There are many good “ice pages” like http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/antarctic.sea.ice.interactive.html

or http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/

According to the “climate models” a decrease of the Antarctic ice pack should have occurred since 1981 (see notice n°9); models forecast about +5°C at 60°S for CO2 doubling. From a recent assessment by Turner et al. [45] over the last 30 years, models say for the 1979-2005 time span a decrease of the ice pack area by -13.6%/decade [46] in February and by minus 0.4 M km² in September.

Observations are a steady increase from 14 M km² (1986) to 16 M km² for the recent years (up to 16.8 M km² on day 261 of 2014)

Note: There is no significant trend in the UAH-MSU lower troposphere monthly time series for 60°S-85°S (end 1978-2014), albeit the peak-to-peak range of the temperature anomaly is about (-2°C, +2°C)

 

Truth n°12 The sum of the areas of the arctic and austral ice packs which are phase-opposite is nearly constant; the total albedo of the cryosphere has not changed much

[Poitou & Bréon] Here are an error and an irrelevant information. The error is the statement that the albedo of the cryosphere does not change. There is an unmistakable decrease of the snow covered areas during the spring and snow is part of the cryosphere.

The irrelevant information is the area of the ice pack: what in important is the mass or volume of the ice, not its surface. And the mass is continuously and quickly decreasing

 

The ice pack albedo is said to be an important positive feedback of the carbon dioxide warming possibly leading to a “tipping point” followed by a “runaway warming“.

The statement of P&B is somewhat odd as the high-latitude marine areas are almost continuously covered by low clouds; and for the cloudless case the Fresnel formulas show that the light from a Sun low over the horizon is reflected almost as much by water than by the irregular surface of the ice pack.

Figure 12-A from Prof. Ole Humlum (www.climate4you.com) displays the extent of the northern and southern ice packs for the last 35 years; they are indeed phase-opposite .

Figure 12-A Extents in M km² of the Arctic and Antarctic ice packs October 1979 to April 2014 with a 12 months moving average

Source: National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC).. http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/index.html

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Poitou & Bréon put forward the spring snow-cover as does IPCC 2013 SPM § B3: “over 1967-2012 the extent of the snow-cover a decreased by 1.6% per decade for March and April and 11.7%/decade for June”.

The figure 12-B shows the Northern Hemisphere snow coverage data for each of the months since 1966 for: 6 months of the year have seen a stable or increasing snow cover, the other 6 months a decreasing snow cover.

The means of the first 12 years (1966-1977) and of the last 12 years (2002-2014) of the records are as follows, in M km² November to October: {Nov., 34.1, 34.6}, {Dec., 43.6, 44.6}, {Jan., 47.3, 47.8}, {Feb., 46.4, 47.0}, {March, 41.3, 40.3}, {April, 31.1, 29.6}, {May, 20.7, 17.6}, {June, 12, 7.5}, {July, 5.7, 3}, {Aug., 3.8, 2.5}, {Sept., 5.5, 5.2}, {Oct., 19.4, 19.1}, again an increase in winter months and a decrease for the months June to August.

According to figure 5-A the effect of the natural cycles has been of about 0.5°C on the HadCRUT4 series between the means of the same 12 years. Whether the snow feedback June to August along the Arctic coast has an effect on the global temperatures has yet to be said. It has been said the winter temperatures went up in the years 1975-2005 (despite the somewhat increased snow cover), while summer temperatures did not.

Poitou & Bréon do not explain why the ice pack volume would be relevant for the albedo; according to Haas (2005) [47]the changes of the thickness of the sea ice are small since they are correctly measured by an airborne radio apparatus, only over the Arctic.

Figure 12-B For each month November (11) to October (10) snow cover from 1966 to 2015 over the Northern hemisphere with (likely meaningless) linear trends http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/files/moncov.nhland.txt

Note the different vertical scales on each of the plots

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Truth n°13 The observations from the 3000 ARGO floats may suggest, since 2003, a very slight cooling of the oceans and almost no increase of the ocean heat content.

[Poitou & Bréon] Over the first 700 m there is surely no decrease of the oceanic heat content, even if the recent warming is less than the warming of past decades: on the figure below in green, the time span since 2003 carefully selected by sceptics to support their talks

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But why stay at 700 m? Here the ocean heat content up to 2000 m depth from the data

http://data.nodc.noaa.gov/woa/DATA_ANALYSIS/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/DATA/heat_3month/

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The vertical units of the graphics shown above are 1022 J= 10 ZJ; over 1990-2004 the order of magnitude of the “warming” is 100 ZJ/15 years/(509 1012 m²) = 0.4 W/m². The time span since 2005 is that of Argo buoys: about half [48]of the data collected has been deleted to suppress an inconvenient cooling said to be due to defective devices.

A 2013 update [49] shows that the increase of the ocean heat content is restricted to the 20°S-60°S oceans.

Figure 13-A Argo floats change of the ocean heat content 60°N-20°N, 20°N-20°S, 20°S-60°S down to 2000 deci-bar in 1022 J

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As there are no known mechanisms by which infrared radiation can heat the bulk of liquid water (infrared radiation is absorbed by the first few tens of microns of liquid water), it’s likely that all of the increase in the southern oceans heat content is related to changes of the albedo, that is to changes of the cloud cover. Another example is the North Atlantic (figure 13-B).

Figure 13-B Ocean Heat content of the North-Atlantic (30°N-65°N) from 1955 to 1st Q 2014. from www.climate4you.com

1 GJ/m² over 30 years are 1.05 W/m² and if spread over 700 m of sea water +0.18°C

The recent decrease may be about – 0.5 GJ/m² over 6 years that is equivalent to a (negative) “forcing” of -2.6 W/m²

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On the 2000 meter depth graph over 2006-2014 of Poitou & Bréon, the yearly minima increased from 10 units to 16 units of 1022 J that is 0.41 W/m²; but there is every year some oceanic heat storage during six months and a release of this heat the following six months: the maximum of the global outgoing longwave radiation is in July, shifted by 6 months w.r.t. the solar flux hat is maximum in January (1412 W/m²) and minimum in July (1321 W/m²).

Disregarding those quarter to quarter oscillations, according to Levitus (2012) “The heat content of the World Ocean for the 0–2000 m layer increased by 24.0 +/- 1.9 x 10^22 J corresponding to a rate of 0.39 W/ m² (per unit area of the World Ocean) and a volume mean warming of 0.09 deg C” and “The heat content of the World Ocean for the 0–700 m layer increased by 16.7 +/- 1.6 x 10^22 J corresponding to a rate of 0.27 W m^2 (per unit area of the World Ocean) and a volume mean warming of 0.18 deg C.”

But again such global averages are of little value: regional observations should be related to the regional cloud coverage and albedo and possibly to changes of the strength of surface currents.

Figure 13-C Model Forecasts and redistribution of heat in the depths of the ocean (in green are Levitus world-average observations above 700 m) in °C/decade Source : http://www.drroyspencer.com/2011/08/deep-ocean-temperature-change-spaghetti-15-climate-models-versus-observations/

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IPCC SPM 2013 p. 13 §D1 states that The observed reduction in surface warming trend 1998 to 2012 …is due in roughly equal measure to a reduced trend in radiative forcing and a cooling contribution from natural internal variability, which includes a possible redistribution of heat within the ocean (medium confidence [or 50% chance to be true and 50% chance to be false ? ]). Figure 13-C shows that this redistribution is beyond the grasp of the models.

 

Truth n° 14 The outgoing longwave radiation from the upper atmosphere is larger than what models say: there is no “blanket” effect du to Greenhouse gases

[Poitou & Bréon] It is quite obviously wrong to say there is no blanket effect due to the tropospheric greenhouse gases. Saying such awful things should disqualify the perpetrator. The total of the outgoing solar and thermal infrared radiations is lower than the incoming solar flow.

 

The last sentence of P&B refers to the global imbalance that should have been seen in the oceanic calorimeter: but the observed geographically selective effect (notice n° 13) does not fit well with the assumption of a uniform infrared radiative forcing due to more CO2. As already said, the radiative heat transfer surface to air is the radiation of the surface absorbed by the air minus the radiation of the air absorbed by the surface: it would be exactly zero for an isothermal atmosphere and is nearly zero for an opaque atmosphere (figure 6-A).

The “blanket” [50] is supposed to reduce the radiative cooling of the surface. But as the radiative transfer of heat between the surface and the air is about nil (see notice n°1) it is still zero for “doubled CO2“; a fraction of a W/m² is no longer is lost by the surface by direct radiation to the cosmos but by a slightly enhanced evaporation with condensation (and radiation to the cosmos) somewhere else (see notice n°6).

There is no relation between the radiation flows exchanged by surface and air (whose net balance is about zero) and the radiation from the top of the air lost to the cosmos some kilometres above the surface; the cooling of the “top of the air” at mid and high latitudes is compensated by advection of humid air from mid latitudes.

The radiation emitted is a diagnostic of the temperature of the trace gases of the air; the temperature in the troposphere is T(P) with T(P) /Ttop = (P/Ptop)R/(Cp+ Cpi); Ttop and Ptop “summarize the position of the “top” of the air; surface temperature is driven by the ratio (Psurface / Ptop)0,19 where Ptop is characteristic of the latitude and of the season and R = 8.314/(molar mass).

As obvious on figures 6-A and 6-B, Ttop and Ptop are determined by the water vapour that radiates over some 1900 cm-1 much more than the 40 cm-1 of the tropospheric CO2 near 614 cm-1 and 718 cm-1.; stratospheric radiation to the cosmos is not very important because the cooling of each layer is exactly equal to its heating mostly by UV absorbed by Ozone.

“Models” forecast a “blanket effect ” with a reduced radiation to the cosmos: forty years of observations of the Outgoing Longwave Radiation (1974-2014) do not show any such thing.

Figure 14-A Monthly global average of the Outgoing Longwave Radiation in W/m² plotted against the CO2 content of the air in ppm per Mauna Loa series, for the same month, (1974-2014). Note the seasonal cycles of the vegetation growth. The red line is the linear trend of about +2 W/m²/century; there is no apparent “heat trapping” due to the increasing CO2.

The black line what should have been seen according to Myrhe’s logarithmic formula.

source http://www.climate4you.com/GlobalTemperatures.htm#Outgoing longwave radiation global

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See as well http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/21/the-magnificent-climate-heat-engine/ for a map of the CERES data: the changes in the cloud cover and the transfer of heat from the tropics to the high latitudes explain the fluctuations of the OLR.

The radiative imbalance of the Earth stated by Hansen et al. has been discussed by Kramm & Dlugi [51] whose conclusion iswe may conclude that a planetary energy imbalance of 0.58 +/- 0.15W/m² claimed by Hansen et al. (2011) for the period 2005-2010 is not justifiable. The same is true in case of the planetary energy imbalance of 0.8 +/- 0.15W/m² claimed by Hansen et al. (2005).

 

Truth n° 15 The Stefan-Boltzmann formula does not apply to gases which are neither black bodies nor grey bodies; why does the IPCC community use it for gases?

[Poitou & Bréon] It is not the IPCC but the whole scientific community competent on those topics that uses Stefan Boltzmann law for gases, and that since tens of years. IPCC is only quoting from the scientific literature. The Stefan Boltzmann law applies to any body that absorbs electromagnetic radiation and hence to infrared absorbing gases.

The Stefan-Boltzmann σT4 formula only applies to a black body, not to a gas. The absorption spectrum of the main trace-gases are on figures 6-A and 6-B: at the temperatures of the air CO2 radiates significantly only between the optical frequencies (or wavenumbers) 595 cm-1 to 740 cm-1 where its optical thickness is at least 2; it does not radiate over the whole thermal infrared spectrum (100 cm-1 to 2500 cm-1) relevant for the temperatures of the Earth’s atmosphere.

Poitou & Bréon amazingly confirm that the “climate community” uses, since tens of years, a very inappropriate formula! Let’s remind that a grey body formula ε σ T4 is sometimes used to describe the radiation of trace gases at a uniform temperature: Hottel has given some charts, usable only for a uniform temperature[52]. We shall see in annex 15-A an another example of an erroneous use of ε σ T4

A rough computation of the thermal diffuse infrared radiation flows is not complicated: it’s like summing over the whole air column the quantity k(ν, P, T) π B(ν, T) ρtrace dz = π B(ν, T) dt weighted by the attenuation of the diffuse radiation between the source at P and the point of observation: k(ν, P, T) is the absorption coefficient, B the Planck function, ρtrace the mass of trace gas per unit volume.

For instance the down-welling radiation from the air observed at a distance t from the top of the air is the integral of

(2 E2(t-t’) π B(ν, T(t’)) dt’ between t’=0 and t’=t . Those expressions can, as shown by S. Chandrasekhar [53] in 1950, be computed with some additions and multiplications thanks to Gauss formulas for the numerical computation of integrals.

The correspondence between t and P(atm) (or altitude z ) is deduced from relations like

dt = k(ν, P, T) ρtrace dz = k(ν, P, T) ρtrace dP/ (ρair g) = (k(ν, P, T) /g) (ρtrace / ρair ) dP

t(ν, P) = ttotal gas trace (ν) Pa where the exponent a summarizes the changes of (k(ν, P, T) /g) (ρgaz trace / ρair ) ~ Pa-1 as a function of altitude or pressure and temperature with T(P) ~ P0.19 . The spectral shape of ttotal trace gas (ν) is displayed on figures 6-A to C.

Why this fondness for the σT4 blackbody radiation formula? Because it appears in innumerable books and papers as the cornerstone of the following “demonstration“:

1) the “blanket effect” reduces the average outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) of the Earth by some 3.7 W/m² or 4 W/m² for an instantaneous doubling of the CO2 content of the air with FIXED tropospheric temperature and humidity

2) to restore the OLR the air must warm from T to T’ with σT’4 = σT4 + 3,7 W/m² and hence T’ = (6,525 107 + T4)1/4; for T-273 = -20°C or 0°C or 15°C or 30°C we get T’- T values of +1°C or +0,8°C or +0,7°C or +0,6°C ; this is said to be the direct effect of the doubling of the CO2 content of the air [54]

3) then any warming can be deduced thanks to the hypothesized “amplifying water vapor feedbacks

Card n°14 has shown that the “blanket” effect is not to be seen in the observations of the OLR; card n°10 has shown that observations do not show any increase of the upper air water vapour content, dispelling point 3); card n°9 has shown that the hot spot and the “amplifying water vapor feedback ” were not observed either.

The σ T4- is indeed a decoy to avoid handling properly and separately the four components of the OLR seen on figure 6-C for a cloudless sky, and to avoid explaining the automatic compensations between those four components:

1* the water vapor radiating mostly from the troposphere (say 190 W/m²),

2* the radiation from the surface that has escaped absorption by water vapor, clouds and CO2 (global average 20 W/m²),

3* the CO2 and the ozone radiating from the stratosphere (say 20 W/m²),

4* the CO2 from the troposphere near 618 cm-1 and 720 cm-1 for a CO2 “doubling” (figure 6-B right).

But CO2 doubling does not occur “instantaneously” and at FIXED temperature and humidity: going from 400 ppm to 800 ppm at today’s rate of +2 ppm/year would take 200 years!

If CO2 increases there is more cooling at say 250 mbar and less cooling below: such a setting is likely to be erased by convection; and by a slight reduction of the water vapour content of the upper troposphere that will restore the OLR.

 

Annex 15-A Example of an abuse of the expression ε σ T4

Lets follow W. Eschenbach’s [55] discussion of an often quoted article of Stephen E. Schwartz [56] Heat capacity time constant and sensitivity of Earth’s climate system Journal of Geophysical Research June 2007. The change of the heat content of the globe (mainly in the oceans) is dH/dt = S (1-a) – E, where S is the solar radiation, a the albedo, E the global infrared emission; such a relation is likely and there are historical series for H (figure 13-A), E (figure 14-A) for S and a; whether global averaging makes sense is debatable.

The next assumption is dH/dt = C dTsurface/dt where C is a suitable thermal capacity; this is incorrect; we shall see why.

Last assumption is E = ε σ Tsurface4 ; this is incorrect. Then by adding a so-called forcing F we get an equation in Tsurface

C dTsurface/dt = S (1-a) – ε σ Tsurface4 + F

For dT/dt =0 if ε decreases (less OLR) or if F is positive Tsurface must increase.

The transient response to a forcing F applied at time t =0 is Tsurface (t) – Tsurface (0) = F τ /C (1- exp(-t/τ)), or for a time increasing F(t)= F1 t Tsurface (t) – Tsurface (0) = F1 τ /C (t – τ (1- exp(-t/τ)))

Lets look at the Ansatz and hypotheses used:

* dH/dt and dTsurface/dt are said to be proportional. W. Eschenbach compares those values quarter by quarter and year by year: there is no correlation over the last 50 years (1955-2009) for which some estimates of the ocean global heat content are available

Moreover if the surface temperature of the oceans determines the temperature of the air, it is not the temperature of the air but the insolation and the clouds that drive the changes of the ocean heat content.

* Second conjecture: there would be a ratio ε between the radiation from the surface and the OLR; this is nonsense[57] as said on card n°1: the radiative heat flow from a body A to a body B is: (radiation from A absorbed by B) minus (radiation of B absorbed by A). It is about nil between the air and the surface; it would be exactly nil for an (hypothetical) isothermal atmosphere at the temperature of the surface.

* Implicit hypothesis: S and a are constant while changes in cloud coverage change a, H and ε.

Let’s look now at the conclusions of St. E. Schwartz:

* regressing the series of Hocéans and Tsurface leads to a thermal capacity C of 14 W/m²/year/K equivalent to 110 m of water; C is taken as 17 W/m²/year/K for the whole planet b y addition of 5% for molten glaciers, 5% for the heat content of continental masses and 4% for changes of the temperature of the air

* The autocorrelation of the mean surface temperatures (1880-2004) leads to a time constant τ of 5 years

* The “climatic sensitivity” is then τ /C = 5/17 = 0.3 K/(W/m²) [58].

* over the 20th century the observed warming of 0.57°C would imply a radiative forcing of 1.9 W/m² that is 2.2 W/m² for greenhouse gases[59], – 0.3 W/m² for the changes of the aerosols … and nil for the climate cycles prominent on figures 5-A to 5-C (among other cycles of 1000 years, 210 years and 60 years) and the El Niños (figure 2-C and 15-A).

The graphic figure 15-A shows the Earth’s pulsed central heating, the El Niños and their “tele-connections”; figure 2-B shows the latitude-averaged temperature that drives the CO2 increments of figure 4-A. Those natural effects drive all of the temperature changes observed without the super-natural “forcing” F that should be uniform all over the globe.

Figure 15-A Temperatures of the lower troposphere as a function of time and of latitude (source RSS)

http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_data_monthly.html click on history

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Truth n° 16 The trace gases absorb the radiation from the surface and radiate at the temperature of the air, which is at some height, most of the time slightly lower that of the surface. The trace-gases cannot “heat the surface“, according to the second principle of thermodynamics which prohibits heat transfer from a cooler body to a warmer body.

[Poitou & Bréon] This is another big stupidity. Does the author deny the existence of the greenhouse effect? It’s a physical phenomenon well understood since several centuries! Such statements should immediately strip their author of any credibility for readers who know some science. If the author was correctly using the second principle of the thermodynamics he would have seen that it is indeed the surface that delivers heat to the emissive trace gases, which are also the absorbing gases. Those gases prevent the surface from loosing some of the heat brought by the sun

To send the heretic to the stake Poitou & Bréon charge him of atheism, of “denying the existence of the greenhouse effect”. That kind of argument has been used since almost two millennia “All men, except a few very ones who are very depraved and vicious, believe in the dogmas and myths of my community, which have been revealed centuries ago; hence my dogmas are true and my prophecies are undisputable”.

Since several centuries” is likely to refer to Fourier whose memoir of 1824 does not say anything on a “greenhouse effect” [60] (see also card n°1) or to Arrhenius whose tentative explanation of glaciations[61] and de-glaciations by a radiative effect of the CO2 has been proved wrong (a) because in ice cores the CO2 content follows the temperature by some centuries and (b) because redoing his computations with the correct absorption spectra gives a warming of 0.2°C for a doubling of the CO2 content of the air (cf card n°1).

As said on cards n°1, n°6 and n°15, for an atmosphere in a gravitation field, the tropospheric lapse rate is dT/dz = – g/(Cp+ |Ch|) where g=9,8 m/s², Cp= 1005 J/kg , and Ch summarizes the effect of the heating of the air (1) by absorption of the solar infrared by water vapour or liquid and (2) by the condensation of the water vapour. This is exactly equivalent to T(P)= Ttop (P/Ptop)R/(Cp+ |Ch|) where R = 8,314 / 0,02896 = 287.

There is no need of heat to “warm the surface” because its temperature is a consequence of the gravitation and of the mass of the air, both on Earth and on Venus. The lapse rate (despite the temperature inversions near the surface at night and in the winter polar regions) insures that the radiation of the air absorbed by the surface is slightly less than the radiation of the surface absorbed by the air. Hence the air cannot warm the surface as the net balance is about zero or slightly positive from surface to air. [62]

The surface cools mostly by evaporation (order of magnitude 100 W/m²), by convection (20 to 30 /m²) and for about 20 W/m² by direct thermal infrared radiation reaching the cosmos after escaping absorption by water vapour and clouds.

Amazingly Poitou & Bréon state that “absorbing and emitting gases prevent the surface from losing some of the heat brought by the sun”; they should have said that the radiative heat transfer surface to air is almost negligible and stay so for changes of the trace gas content of the air around today’s values.

Notes

(1) The pseudo explanation about “preventing the surface form losing heat” is typical of what has been summarized by Pfr Gerlich & Tscheuschner : ” The main strategy of modern CO2-greenhouse gas defenders seems to hide themselves behind more and more pseudo-explanations, which are not part of the academic education or even of the physics training. A good example is the radiation transport calculations, which are probably not known by many. Another example is the so-called feedback mechanisms, which are introduced to amplify an effect which is not marginal but does not exist at all. Evidently, the defenders of the CO2-greenhouse thesis refuse to accept any reproducible calculation as an explanation and have resorted to unreproducible ones

(2) The ravings by some proponents of the greenhouse effect to circumvent the second principle of thermodynamics are illustrated by R. T. Pierrehumbert Infrared radiation and planetary temperature Physics today January 2011 p.38: “The planetary warming resulting from the greenhouse effect is consistent with the second law of thermodynamics because a planet is not a closed system. It exchanges heat with a high temperature bath by absorbing radiation from the photosphere of its star and with a cold bath by emitting into the essentially zero temperature reservoir of space … the greenhouse effect shifts the planet’s surface temperature toward the photospheric temperature by reducing the rate at which the planet loses energy at a given surface temperature …” This statement does not apply to “air warming the surface” or to statements like :” “The energy that is available to the Climate system consists of the absorbed solar energy, the greenhouse effect thermal energy as well as several sources of nonsolar energy (i.e., geothermal, tidal, and waste heat)” (Lacis, Hansen et al. Tellus, 2013, p.16) as if the air produced energy!

Truth n° 17 The temperatures have always driven the CO2 content of the air, never the reverse. Nowadays the net increment of the CO2 content of the air follows very closely the inter-tropical temperature anomaly

 

[Poitou & Bréon] Again a poorly digested discourse from the climate sceptics. If CO2 is following the temperature by some months how is it possible to have a continuous increase of the CO2 content of the air while the author explains that there has been no increase of the temperatures since 1997?. The slow changes of the CO2 content of the air are driven by plate tectonics and silicate weathering. The greenhouse gases have played an essential role in the great climatic changes of the geological eras (see figure on card n°7)

 

There are two sets of observations: those of the last 50 years and those from the ice cores.

A) For the last fifty years the increments of the CO2 at Mauna Loa (19°30N) and at the South Pole are coincident (figure 17-A) As it takes some semesters for the air to go from the Northern Hemisphere to the South Pole, a common source is likely inter tropical out-gassing.

figure 17-A Monthly increments of the CO2 content of the air d[CO2]/dt for dt= 12 months: in blue at Mauna Loa (with a weighted moving average {1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1}) and in red at the South Pole (up to 2008)

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Subtraction of the anthropic increments computed for a 5 years life-time in the air from the observed d[CO2]/dt for dt= 12 months leaves the increments shown in blue on figure 17-B; those natural increments coincide most of the time with the purple curve which is a linear function of the inter-tropical temperature anomaly of the lower troposphere T(t); this is a direct proof of the relation d[CO2]natural /dt = k (T(t)- T0) where dt = 12 months to avoid the seasonal fluctuations due to the growth of the vegetation. Note the effects of volcanic dusts in 1982-85 (El Chichon) and 1991-94 (Pinatubo).

figure 17-B Blue curve: monthly values of the natural increments over dt = 12 months for the Mauna Loa series (referenced to the last month of the 12 months)

Purple curve: monthly values of 1,45 +1,6 ATUAH MSU intertropical shifted by 0.6 years where AT is the anomaly of the inter-tropical lower troposphere (anomaly w.r.t the mean over 1981-2010 of the same UAH-MSU series)

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This is a simple and direct check of the published results referenced to at the end of card n°1.

This relation d[CO2]natural /dt = k (T(t)- T0) is consistent with the results of Beenstock & al. that the [CO2](t) series must be differentiated once before attempting a correlation with the series of the temperatures T(t). The out-gassing zone relevant for the Mauna Loa can be seen on figures 17-C and 17-D and has been detailed by Prof. J. Park (2009) (see card n°1).

Let us summarize that the CO2 content of the air is made of two parts, as explained on cards n°3 & 4

(1) a natural part proportional to the time integral of the temperatures ò (T(t)- T0) dt as shown on figure 17-B; it was 310 ppm in 1958 and is now 376 ppm; the difference between 376 and 310 is exactly the sum of the twelve months increments.

(2) an anthropic part roughly equal to the cumulative anthropic emissions weighted by exp (t’-t)/u) where t’ is the time of the emission and t the time of observation, u is the life time of about 5 years perfectly consistent with delta13C isotopic observations; this anthropic part is (end 2013) about 6% of the CO2 content of the air (cards n°3 & 4).

Figure 17-C is a map of the absorption and of the out-gassing of the ocean for a non El Niño year, according to Takahashi.

Figure 17-C Map of the net flows between air and ocean ain 1995 according to Takahashi

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Figure 17-D hints at the very strong spatial variability of the CO2 content of the air and of the surface waters; exchanges between air and ocean are proportional to the difference of the pressures times the cube of the speed of the wind.[63]

Figure 17-D [64] CO2 content of the air (in ppm) and of the surface water (in µatm)

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B) For the ice cores the progressive closing of the diffusion paths between the surface and the “air bubbles” of a layer of the firn is tantamount to a temporal low-pass filter which smoothes the transitions faster than several centuries (in Antarctica where the precipitation of ice is a few mm/year, it’s the time it takes for some 50 m of water to accumulate). Some references to observations of a delay of several centuries between temperature increase (or decrease) and the following CO2 increase (or decrease) have been listed on card n°2.

It is now easy to answer the question of Poitou & Bréon: “ If CO2 is following the temperature by some months, how is it possible to have a continuous increase of the CO2 content of the air while the author explains that there has been no increase of the temperatures since 1997?

As said on card n°1 d [CO2]/ dt = k (T(t)- T0) means

constant increase of the [CO2] content of the air = temperatures stable w.r.t to the reference T0

Conclusion: The CO2 content of the air is a consequence of the temperature(s) and can not be their cause

 

Note: Despite the increase of the yearly increment of the anthropic content of the air due to the “Chinese” coal surge since 2003 from about +0.3 ppm/year near 2000 to +0.55 ppm/year near 2012 (figure 17-E, right), the yearly increments d [CO2]/ dt (natural plus anthropic) have been slightly diminishing (figure 17-F). Hence the natural d [CO2natural]/ dt has been somewhat decreasing, in line with the life-time weighted out-gassing formulas on card n°4.

Figure 17-E left: anthropic emissions in Mt-C during the last 20 years(http://cdiac.ornl.gov/ftp/ndp030/global.1751_ 2010.ems and BP 2014) (black coal, blue oil and red natural gas)

Right: yearly increments of the anthropic ppm for a 5.5 years life time in the air; increased use of natural gas since 1980 reduced it to +0.3 ppm/year before the recent coal surge

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The observations of figure 17-F dispel the myth that all the increase of the CO2 of the air is from anthropic origin; the anthropic emissions remaining in the air for a 5 years life time have surged since 2003 while the overall the CO2 growth rate has been slowly decreasing!

Figure 17-F Figure 2 of Francey et al. Atmospheric verification of anthropogenic CO2 emission trends Nature Climate Change, 10 February 2013 Observations of the growth of the CO2 in the air

a) Slowing CO2 growth (dC/dt) blue points are annual differences in monthly mean CO2 concentration. The smoothed 1.8-yr and 5-yr (thick red) curves are derived from the monthly values. The light-blue dashed line is an extrapolated linear regression fitted to 50 yr of South Pole dC/dt.

b) d[CO2]/dt at Cape Grim (Tasmania) ( blue curve), at Mauna Loa (yellow) and at Alert ( 817 km from the North Pole I n the Canadian Arctic) (grey curve) en Gt-C/an. The red curve is from a.

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Truth n° 18 The CLOUD project at the European Center for Nuclear Research is probing the Svensmark-Shaviv hypothesis on the role of cosmic rays modulated by the solar magnetic field on the low cloud coverage; the first and encouraging results have been published in Nature

[Poitou & Bréon] The first results published in Nature (2011 and 2013) then in Science (2014) have identified some chemical compounds that are present in the air and may lead to cloud condensation nuclei (CCN) in quantities similar to those observed. But the cosmic rays contribute only to a small fraction of the CCN. This has been discussed in the last IPCC report

The historical coincidences of deadly cold episodes with famines and plague with times of strong cosmic rays flows registered in the 10Be and 14C records have been firmly assessed. A strong production of those isotope signals minima of the sun and a lesser deflection of the (galactic) cosmic rays, possibly along de Vries 215 years cycles.

During the Ort sunspot minimum, Seine, Rhine and Po were frozen (Rhine from Nov. 15, 1076 to April 7, 1077); during the minimum of Wolf, the 1315-1316 famine reduced western Europe population by more than 5% and the subsequent great plague (1347-1350) by 30% to 50%; the Maunder minimum saw in France an excess death of 1.3 M on 22 M habitants (1693-1694); in the following years 30% on the Finnish population (1696-1697), 25% of the Scottish population (1696-1699) and 10% of the French population (1708-1709) died.

A possible link between cloudiness (that went down from 66% to 62%) 15°S-15°N and mean global surface temperature may be guessed on the figure 18-A.

Figure 18-A Monthly values of cloud coverage over 15°S-15°N and mean global surface temperatures from December 1983 to December 2009 (Ole Humlum www.climate4you.com)

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Low cloud coverage went from 29% in 1986 to 25% in 2007 according to The International Satellite Cloud Climatology Project (ISCCP); more on http://www.pensee-unique.fr/theses.html and on www.climate4you.com.

Figure 18-B Cloud coverage for the three types of clouds and mean water content of the air: July 1983 to December 2009

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Truth n° 19 Numerical “Climate models” are not consistent regarding cloud coverage which is the main driver of the surface temperatures. Project Earthshine (Earthshine is the ghostly glow of the dark side of the Moon) has been measuring changes of the terrestrial albedo in relation to cloud coverage data; according to cloud coverage data available since 1983, the albedo of the Earth has decreased from 1984 to 1998, then increased up to 2004 in sync with the Mean Global Temperature.

[Poitou & Bréon] Again a long list of nonsense in those statements. Project Earthshine started in 1999; the Earthshine measurements cannot show that the albedo of the Earth is mainly driven by the cloud coverage. This is a known fact that Earthshine measurements integrating over the globe do not allow to differentiate between clouds, aerosols or snow. Those measurements have significant error bars that prohibit linking albedo and the mean global temperature of the recent years. Recent climate models reproduce well the observed tends of the cryosphere; they have uncertainties about future clouds that appear in the uncertainties displayed on the results of the models.

 

The poor quality of the modelled Cloud coverage has been discussed since tens of years; here is an example of 1999

Figure 19-A Cloud coverage as a function of latitude according to 30 different models used by IPCC [65]:

Figure 5 of http://www.grims-model.org/front/bbs/paper/bams/BAMS_1999-4_Gates_et_al.pdf

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Figure 19-B shows a 2013 test case from Bjorn Stevens & Sandrine Bony [66] .

Figure 19-B Comparison of the results of four models on a test case aqua-planet. Where and how much do the cloud radiative effects and the rain change for a given warming?

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The caption of the figure by Stevens & Bony is: “Wide variation. The response patterns of clouds and precipitation to warming vary dramatically depending on the climate model, even in the simplest model configuration. Shown are changes in the radiative effects of clouds and in precipitation accompanying a uniform warming (4°C) predicted by four models from Phase 5 of the Coupled Model Inter-comparison Project (CMIP5) for a water planet with prescribed surface temperatures”.

Figure 19-C is an example of covariation of the mean temperature of August with the number of hours of insolation, according to the data of the German DWD. Other examples are in the references of the footnote [67].

Figure 19-C Mean temperatures for the month of August versus number of hours of sun (Germany 1951 to 2012: data from the DWD site)

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The warming in Western Europe since about 1995 can be related to an increase of about +1°C of the surface temperature of the North Atlantic – following an equivalent cooling over 1970-1995- and an increase of the insolation with less aerosols. R. Vautard, P. Yiou, G. J. van Oldenborgh [68] analyzed data from 342 European met stations (selected from 4479) over 10°W-30°E & 35°N-60°N; figures 19-D show that a day with a good visibility receives about 100 W/m² more than a day with mist, and (right) that the cloud cover significantly impact the temperature at day (black) and at night (red)

Figure 19-D (R. Vautard et al. 2009)

Left: mean winter downward solar and infrared radiation (350 à 320 W/m² at night) as a function of the visibility distance and at four times of the day: 09 h, 15 h, 21 h and 03 h

Right: changes of the temperatures by day (black circles) and by night (red circles) according to the cloud coverage (the zero cloud coverage is at the right end of the abscissa scale)

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The trends of cloud cover and of visibility for summer and winter over 1978-2007 bring as well some explanation of the observed warming.

figure 19-E Western Europe 1978-2007: red curves number of days with a total cloud coverage (TCC) above ½ or equal to 1 ; green curve number of days with a low cloud coverage (LCC) equal to 1; grey curves number of days with a visibility below 2 km, 5 km and 8 km (R. Vautard et al. 2009)

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Regarding the Earthshine project the clouds are indeed making the bulk of the albedo observed (see slide 25/29 of Enric Pallé [69]); the varying longitudinal cloud coverage can be seen thanks to the rotation of the Earth.

There is consistence [70] between the estimates of the ISCCP, the global albedo, the insolation measured at the surface and the length of the daily insolation observed in many places: all of them are likely to explain the temperature changes.

Figure 15-A has shown the global pacing by the El Niños (and their tele-connections) of the temperature changes of the lower troposphere as function of both time and latitude; this pacing may be due to the coming to the surface, at high latitudes, of warm water from the Pacific warm pool, as they move to higher latitudes on the western rim of the oceans after an El Niño.

The quick tempered reaction of Poitou & Bréon: “Again a long list of nonsense in those statements” may suggest that they don’t like that clouds and insolation drive the temperatures and the heat content of the upper ocean (card n°13).

 

Truth n°20 The forecasts of the “climate models” are diverging more and more from the observations. A model is not a scientific proof of a fact and if proven false by observations (or falsified) it must be discarded, or audited and corrected. We are still waiting for the IPCC models to be discarded or revised; but alas IPCC uses the models financed by the tax payers both to “prove” attributions to greenhouse gas and to support forecasts of doom.

 

[Poitou & Bréon] There are no models of the IPCC; the are models of the community of scientists whose conclusions are accepted by the IPCC. Contrary to what the author says the climate models have made some forecast that happened to be true. And not all model forecasts are leaning to the alarmism for instance the diminution of the arctic ice pack has been much quicker than forecast

The models are made for Climate that is averages over long periods. The fluctuations around this average are noise for the models

 

The verified forecasts are of the type “it’s warmer in summer than in winter“. The relevance of the models does not appear on the following figures which summarize forecasts and “hind-casts” by 73 models used by IPCC AR5 2013 for the inter-tropical zone (figure 20-A) and for the globe (figure 20-B). There is an obvious disagreement between the CO2 driven models and the observations[71].

Figure 20-A Temperature of the mid troposphere 20°S-20°N. Comparison of the results of 73 models of 2012 and of the observations: even the back-prediction does not replay the observations of the weather balloons or of the satellites

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Figure 20-B Surface temperatures (mean global) comparison of 90 CMIP models used for the IPCC AR5 2013 and the series HadCRU T 4 (surface) and UAH MSU (lower troposphere)

Note that the jump (0.2°C to 0.3°C) related to the great El Niño of 1997-98 and the dips in the temperature curves related to volcanic dusts from El Chichon and Pinatubo explain most of the warming since 1983

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The credibility of climate models has been checked w.r.t. to regional observations by Pfr Koutsoyiannis[72]

Figure 20-C Comparison of observations and of back-predictions Paris, France temperatures of the warmest and coolest months 1850-2005. Observations are plotted in blue

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Figure 20-D Comparison of observations and of back-predictions United States temperatures of the warmest and coolest months 1850 – 2005. Observations are plotted in blue

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It may happen that one of the models hind-casts correctly one of the parameters of interest for one the seasons, but never all significant parameters like the min and max temperatures and the seasonal precipitations for all seasons.

Poitou & Bréon say “Fluctuations around the mean are noise for the models” This statement that there are natural fluctuations built in the models and that a mean trend can be computed by averaging over many runs of one model or over many runs of different models has no justification in numerical analysis.

IPCC AR3 2001 Paragraph 5 section 14.2.2.2 states “In climate research and modelling, we should recognise that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.

This “unbecoming” statement has not been disproved since 2001.

Conclusion:

The growing divergence between models and observations even on a global average, and the lack of mathematical foundation to the statement that the fluctuations between runs of the same models and between runs of different models “are noise[73] forbids their use as justification of economic or political decisions.

 

Truth n°21 As said by IPCC in its TAR (2001)we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.” Has this state of affairs changed since 2001? Surely not for scientific reasons…

 

[Poitou & Bréon] It is because the climate is a chaotic system that models can forecast the Climate for conditions very different of todays. Chaos does not mean “anything” and the domain over which the system is running is perfectly bounded by the conditions at the limits. That’s why one can forecast the climate states to which we are going to but not the path that will be lead us to those states.

Indeed the mean state of a chaotic system can be defined by the forcings. For instance albeit the atmosphere is chaotic, we can forecast with a high degree of confidence that the next month of July will be –on average- warmer than April. In the same ay we can forecast that despite the chaotic character of the climate a higher concentration of greenhouse gases leads to higher temperatures.

It’s amazing that the author who pretends to have some knowledge of the physics does not understand this.

 

The climates have been defined by the geographers since Wladimir Köppen (1846-1940) and his Handbuch der Klimatologie (1930) with a few simple parameters which define the vegetation at the first glance: Mediterranean climate with no rain during the summer, monsoon climates with rains only during the summer monsoon or equatorial rain forest or tundra look quite different. 30 climates have been defined.

Figure 21-A The climates according to Köppen and Geiger (from Rubel & Kottek) 1901-1925 http://koeppen-geiger.vu-wien.ac.at/

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The latitudinal limits between those climates are shifting northward or southward according to cycles as seen on figure 21-B for the USA [74] ; this may explain the fear, expressed in the 1970s in many periodical and books, of an imminent glaciation; that fear faded after the reversal of the PDO (Pacific Decadal Oscillation) in 1977. [75]

Figure 21-B Decadal Limits between the climates C and D of Köppen in Midwest of the United Sates during the 20th century from 1900-1910 to 1990-2000

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… the mean state of a chaotic system can be defined by the forcings

The very existence of the forcings by trace gas is unproved: the cumulative forcings said by the IPCC since 1955 is about 1200 ZettaJoule while the oceanic calorimeter (card n°13) shows regional divergences and an increase of the ocean heat content of only 140 ZJ to 170 ZJ.

IPCC AR5 WG1, page 67, thematic focus element TFE.4. figure 1 explains away this discrepancy (a factor 6 to 7 !) by the assumption of an increased outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) of about 3 W/m²: this is not seen on the records (figure 21-C)

Figure 21-C outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) 1974-2014 monthly values of the global average: from data provided by the Royal Dutch Meteorological Office KNMI http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/inoaa_olr_ 0-360E_-90-90N_n.dat

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In addition the forcings have been upped by almost 50% from 1.6 W/m² in AR4 (2007) to 2.3 W/m² in AR5 (2013) with little ground.

“Indeed the mean state of a chaotic system can be defined by the forcings… forecast with a high degree of confidence that the next month of July will be –on average- warmer than April”

Do we need meshed models with about 80 adjustable parameters and thousands of nodes to forecast that? And by the way in regions of summer monsoon (tagged Aw pale rose on figure 21-A) the temperature is lower during the summer rains than in April!

Figures 20-A to 20-D , 19A and 19B show that the meshed models performance for hind-casting, despite the discretionary use of “cooling aerosols”, forbid and disprove statements like “ That’s why one can forecast the climate states to which we are going”

Let’s also quote a conference by P. Morel, physicist and former director of the WMO observation programme: “It is written in the technical documents of international bodies that the climate meshed models “embodies the laws of the physics”. This statement proves illusory because those models are indeed decoupled from the fundamental physical principles defined at the microscopic scale by a hiatus, the meteorological processes at the small and medium scales [or synoptic processes] which are not described in their physical reality. That is why the climate forecasts have little credibility for the intense phenomena (cumulonimbus, tornados, hurricanes, blizzards, etc.), for the rains and precipitations, for the hydrological processes and for the regional consequences of the future global changes. Those meteorological [synoptic scale] processes are handled only with empirical formulas (or parameterizations) which are not logical consequences of the physical laws. Nevertheless some modellers like to believe that their models are based on fundamental laws, as this belief excuses them for not validating each of the formulas they put into the models”.

The natural cycles should be understood and identified before discussing the supposed chaotic effects. The well known cycles (60 years, 215 years, etc.) and the El Niños are nowhere seen on the outputs of the IPCC models.

The use of long time series with algorithms like SSA-caterpillar provides sensible forecasts and good hind-casts from the identified quasi-periodicities[76].

There are other methods for using several data series when the physics of a system is too complex; they avoid dealing with “models embodying the laws of physics … with parametrization of the water vapor cycle” and provide convenient checks.

The methods of Black Box Model Identification applied to an energy balance model provide directly the so called “equilibrium sensitivities” with respect to three inputs: CO2; solar and volcanic activities; this is shown by Prof. de Larminat in his book “Climate Change: Identifications and projections[77] where Identification techniques well known in industrial processes, are applied to 16 combinations of historical reconstructions of temperatures (Moberg, Loehle, Ljungqvist, Jones & Mann ) and of solar activity proxies (Usoskin-Lean, Usoskin-timv, Be10-Lean, Be10-timv) for the last millennium, with some series going back to year 843.

A careful analysis of the confidence intervals and domains leads to the (here outrageously summarized) conclusions:

(1) it cannot be shown that observations “prove” the anthropic origin of the observed warming; the climate sensitivity or even its sign cannot be said confidently,

(2) the solar activity is the main driver of the “climate change”; its role (sensitivity in °C/(W/m²) is understated by IPCC by a factor 10 to 20; IPCC argues from “physical considerations” to restrict the role of the Sun to the sole total solar irradiance (TSI). But the black box models applied to the series give a much higher sensitivity than the ones said by the IPCC, and Solar activity explains most of the warming since the exit from the little ice age.

In other words Philippe de Larminat has shown that:

(a) the warming that led to the ongoing warm period is due essentially to the combined effects of solar activity and of the natural variability of climate (such as the 60 year cycle prominent in the residues)

(b) the contribution of human activity, if any, does not differentiate sufficiently from the aforementioned effects to allow pretend that it is significant with the high degree of certainty as claimed by the IPCC.

While uncertainty calculations and tests of the hypotheses provide all the suitable academic validations, somewhat more visual proofs are the agreement between the results and the observations and the predictive capability of the “black box” model: blind simulations, not incorporating any information about temperatures beyond year 2000 predict with an amazing accuracy the “plateau” in global warming. For short term predictions, the method uses the classical “state estimation” (Kalman filters), whereby the “state” reflects combinations of heat quantities accumulated in the thermal inertia of the oceans.

Beyond the evaluation of the sensitivities, the method also provides a rigorous calculation of the probability for a parameter to be within a given interval, without all the subjective “confidence” or “likelihood” statements which adorn every paragraph of the IPCC WG1 reports.

Another type of “black box” analysis, called non linear self organized dynamic modelling [78], has been applied to the most recent and reliable data sets (1980-2007) available like global mean temperature, CO2, ozone, solar spots, radiative cloud fraction, aerosol index, etc this software has many uses in all kinds of domains for the processing of big data sets; it avoids the a priori manufacture of a “physical model” to connect the quantities documented by the different time series. This identification programme has, in 2007, delivered forecasts for the next ten years: the forecast mean global temperatures have proven consistent with the observations 2008-2014: see www. knowledgeminer.eu; http://www.climateprediction.eu/cc/Main/Main.html.

Note that the variable “CO2 concentration” is classified by knowledgeminer not as a driver but as a consequence! This is quite in line with the findings of cards n°1, 3, 4, 17 and with those of Prof. Ph. de Larminat.

Let us remind that self-organized fully dissipative systems can be modeled robustly from the maximum entropy production “principle”[79] which avoids detailed computations of the fluid dynamics and their inherent sensitivity to initial conditions.

Truth n°22 Last but not least the IPCC is neither a scientific organization nor an independent organization: the summary for policy makers, the only part of the report read by international organizations, politicians and media is written under the very close supervision of the representative of the countries and of the non-governmental pressure groups.

The governing body of the IPCC is made of a minority of scientists almost all of them promoters of the environmentalist ideology, and a majority of state representatives and of non-governmental green organizations

 

[Poitou & Bréon] The persons who decide the redaction of the Summary for Policy Maker are the scientists who have led the writing of the big report and representative of the states. Nothing can be written in the summary if scientists don’t agree.

There we would like examples of topics of the SPM that would not be in accordance with the complete report written by the scientists

 

To dispel the statements by P&B it’s sufficient to read the submission by Donna Laframboise, investigative journalist, Canada titled: The Lipstick on the Pig: Science and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, submission to Commons Energy and Climate Change Committee, UK Parliament hyperlinked and footnoted version December 10, 2013: https://nofrakkingconsensus.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/laframboise_uk_parliament_submission_dec2013.pdf

Let’s quote the conclusion of this submission:

“The IPCC was not established – and is not controlled – by science academies. Rather, it is a child of one of the most politically driven bodies known to humanity, the United Nations.

As a UN entity, the IPCC’s primary purpose isn’t to further scientific knowledge but to provide scientific justification for another UN entity – the 1992 treaty known as the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC).

Evidence of this is in plain sight. At a 2008 event celebrating the IPCC’s 20th anniversary, chairman Pachauri told a group of IPCC insiders: “The UNFCCC is our main customer.”

Similarly a 2011 presentation by vice chair van Ypersele ends this way: “Conclusion: IPCC is eager to continue serving the UNFCCC process.”

An international treaty is a political instrument. This makes it impossible for any reasonable person to conclude that the IPCC is about science for science sake.

This is science for politics sake.”

The submission by Donna Laframboise shows as well how the schedule and the wording of the reports are ordered and very tightly controlled by IPCC bureaucracy; let’s quote from the paragraph INTERNATIONAL POLITICS of the submission by Donna Laframboise:

“IPCC authors spent years writing the 14 chapters that comprise AR5’s Working Group 1 report. Sixty-five of those authors were then selected (by the bureaucracy) to write a précis. Needless to say, reducing 14 chapters of material to 31 pages involves a great deal of fallible human judgment.

If the IPCC was even a facsimile of a scientific body, matters would have ended there. The 31-page précis – called the Summary for Policymakers – would have been released to the public. But that’s not what happened. Instead, those 31 pages were merely a draft. The final version of the document only emerged after a four-day meeting in which the political significance of every sentence had been thoroughly dissected.

 

Delegations from more than 100 countries were involved in the four-day, behind-closed-doors, barred-to the-media meeting. Politicians, diplomats, and bureaucrats argued about phrasing – and about which tables, graphs, and illustrations should be included. When they were done, the Summary for Policymakers was five pages longer than the draft but contained 700 fewer words.

At a press conference in late September 2013, the IPCC released its new improved version of the summary. This is the only AR5 document most policymakers and journalists are ever likely to read. Rather than being the unadorned words of IPCC scientists, this statement reflects a politically-negotiated view of reality.

 

Shortly afterward, the IPCC released a document titled Changes to the Underlying Scientific/Technical Assessment. It includes 10 pages of “corrections” the IPCC intends to make to AR5’s first 14 chapters. Turning normal procedure on its head, the IPCC doesn’t expect its summary to be consistent with the underlying report. Rather, this organization has a long history of adjusting its reports so that they accord with its politically-negotiated summaries.

 

In the words of the first paragraph of this document, IPCC personnel “have identified some changes to the underlying report to ensure consistency with the language used in the approved Summary for Policymakers” (italics added).

Directly following this quote, we are assured that these changes “do not alter any substantive findings.” Since these are the same people who insist the IPCC is a scientific body, that it writes objective reports, and is “never policy-prescriptive,” such a claim should be taken with a grain of salt. “

 

An in depth analysis of the true nature of the IPCC, showing it is a highly political body pretending to be a scientific group of experts, is to be found in Drieu Godefridi’s book LE GIEC EST MORT, vive la science! (Texquis, 2010) (http://giec-est-mort.com/) and in its conference [80] at the Académie Royale.

Science is trying to describe the reality while a norm -moral or legal- says what should be allowed or forbidden.

Scientism [81] pretends to deduce logically the norm from the science: it’s a blunder in reasoning as a norm or law expresses value judgments, not scientific facts.

If IPCC WG1 report looks “scientific” (despite being based on shameless distortions of facts and on a fancy pseudo-physics as shown by the discussion of the truths n°1 to n°21), WG2 and WG3 reports are based on value-judgements, culminating in the WG3 list of recommended norms and regulations that every state must endorse and implement.

As all and every human activity even walking outside or growing vegetables produces either carbon dioxide or some of the other “greenhouse gases” (a very long list from laughing gas N2O to methane), all and every human activity is in the scope of IPCC.

WG3’s proposal disguised as “science” is for “rich countries” to transit to negative growth and to decline and misery, and for “poor countries” to limit their growth while getting hundreds billions of dollars transferred from the “rich” countries via international agencies managing “green funds”.

“Rich countries” should learn, as told by IPCC WG3, to disconnect economic growth and the feeling of well-being, mankind must learn that there are non-human values, etc.

This is not a balanced “scientific assessment” but a very radical political agenda reflecting all of the dangerous and homicidal fantasies of the “deep ecology”, published since the well known reports of the club of Rome and its satellites and promoted by some well known pressure groups and non-governmental organizations.

The fake “global warming science” (models, forcings, etc.) of WG1 is a smoke screen used to justify to the very long list of policy prescriptions, norms and regulations of WG3. As policy prescriptions are not science but politics, IPCC is a political body.


[1] Delmas, Mégie, Peuch, Physics and Chemistry of the Atmosphere Belin 2005, 639 pages. This textbook spends only a short paragraph (page 417) on the greenhouse effect: “the absorption by the air [of the radiation of the surface] and the reemission by a cooler layer allows keeping a surface temperature of 288 K. This is commonly called greenhouse effect”. Afterwards the handbook provides the equations of the window in the vacuum between the surface and the cosmos with a air-to-surface radiation flow half of what it is in reality. And modeling a convective gas, one the very best carrier of heat, by the wall of a thermos (or Dewar) bottle is a bizarre idea.

[2] Note on the Theory of the Greenhouse. The London, Edinburgh and Dublin Philosophical Magazine and Journal of Science, 1909, Vol. 17, pp. 319–320. He compared two small boxes one with a window opaque to infrared, the other one with a NaCl window transparent up to 17 µm and did not smeasure significant differences.

[3] Arrhenius used very inaccurate spectral infrared data for H2O and CO2; NaCl is transparent to the infrared radiation up to 17 µm; the dispersion of the NaCl prism used to calibrate the infrared wavelengths was for Arrhenius n(λ)= 1,5191 -0,00312 (λ – 5) instead of the modern n= (5.174714 + 0.0183744 /(λ²- 0.015841) – 8949.52 /(3145.695 – λ²) )0,5.

Both Hans Erren (2005) and to Jean-Louis Dufresne (habilitation thesis, 2009) found that the use of correct spectral data reduces the warming as computed by Arrhenius to about 0.2°C for the doubling of the CO2 content of the air, instead of some +5.5°C said by Arrhenius !

Hans Erren : http://members.casema.nl/errenwijlens/co2/index.html gives a complete set of facsimiles and a detailed report

Jean-Louis Dufresne L’effet de serre : sa découverte, son analyse par la méthode des puissances nettes échangées et les effets de ses variations récentes et futures sur le climat terrestre Paris 2009 (117 pages)

[4] Prof. Dr. Gerhard Gerlich was at Institut für Mathematische Physik, Technische Universität Braunschweig

[5] Gerhard Gerlich, Ralf D. Tscheuschner Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics International Journal of Modern Physics B 2009 http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf 115 pages, 205 references. The paragraph 3-3 compares and discusses many erroneous and nonsensical definitions of the greenhouse effect. This article has been criticized for many poor reasons http://scienceofdoom.com/2010/04/05/on-the-miseducation-of-the-uninformed-by-gerlich-and-scheuschner-2009/

Reply to Comment on Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics by Joshua B. Halpern, Christopher M. Colose, Chris Ho-Stuart, Joel D. Shore, Arthur P. Smith, Jorg Zimmermann 41 pages http://arxiv.org/pdf/1012.0421.pdf&embedded=true December 2010

[6] G. Kramm, R. Dlugi Scrutinizing the atmospheric greenhouse effect and its climatic impact Natural Science Vol.3, No.12, 971-998 (2011) doi:10.4236/ns.2011.312124 (108 references)

[7] 80% of the photons reaching the surface come from a layer of air of optical thickness 1,07 above the surface; the total optical thickness of the water vapor of the air is displayed on figure 6-A

[8] L’effet de serre plus subtil qu’on ne le croit revue Découverte n°373 Mars-Avril 2011, pp. 32-43; a slightly different paper has been published with the same title in La Météorologie 2011.

[9] Berger A., Tricot Ch., 1992. The Greenhouse Effect. Surveys in Geophysics, 13, pp. 523-549.

Cargèse 2009 summer school http://www.lmd.ens.fr/wavacs/ Rémy Rocca slides 71 à 83 writes (slide 72) “The difference is due to the greenhouse effect: the trapping of infrared radiation by the atmosphere. Surface is heated by the presence of the atmosphere (lucky us!)” [sic !].

As a matter of fact there is no radiative trapping but the surface temperature is higher because of the pressure-temperature relation. The “lucky us” reflects a religious state of mind: the existence of the greenhouse effect should not be put to scrutiny because it is natural and good and rises the average temperature of the surface of the globe from -18°C to +15°C.

Those numbers are meaningless as the average temperature of the surface of the Moon is between 80°C on the lit face and -200°C on the dark face and averaged over a lunar day it’s 98 K at the poles and 206 K at the equator.

The -18°C assumes there are no greenhouse gases, no water vapor but nevertheless that clouds produce an albedo of 0.3 !

[10] http://www-ramanathan.ucsd.edu/files/pr72.pdf V Ramanathan Trace-Gas Greenhouse and Global Warming Volvo environmental Prize lecture 1997

[11] This 33 K difference between 288 K and 255 K said to be the global average temperature of an airless Earth is an additional nonsense: an Earth without atmosphere and water vapour would have no clouds and its albedo would not be 0.3 but possibly 0.12 like the Moon. In addition the global average temperature of an airless Earth should be about that of the Moon, maybe about 200 K.

[12] Kuo C. et al Coherence established between atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperature Nature 343, 709 – 714 (22 February 1990); doi:10.1038/343709a0 this paper of Bell Labs uses telecom signal processing techniques of the two series CO2 content of the air and temperatures to prove that CO2 content is driven by the temperatures

Park, J. (2009), A re-evaluation of the coherence between global-average atmospheric CO2 and temperatures at interannual time scales, Geophys. Res. Lett., 36, L22704, doi:10.1029/2009GL040975 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2009GL040975/abstract Frequency domain techniques are used to prove that d[CO2]/dt = k(T(t)-T0) and to map the areas where outgassing and absorption are relevant for the Mauna Loa (figure 4 and figure 15 of http://people.earth.yale.edu/sites/default/files/files/Park/Park_2011_CO2coherence.pdf )

M. Beenstock, Y. Reingewertz, N. Paldor Polynomial cointegration tests of anthropogenic impact on global warming Earth Syst. Dynam., 3, 173–188, 2012 To avoid spurious correlations the statistical tests show that the [CO2] serie must be differentiated once before being compared to T(t) hence the only possible relation is between d[CO2]/dt and T(t)

Murry Salby states a similar relation between d[CO2]/dt and T(t)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ROw_cDKwc0 à Hamburg 2013; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVCps_SwD5w&index=3&list=PLILd8YzszWVTp8s1bx2KTNHXCzp8YQR1z in Sidney 2012 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YrI03ts–9I in Sidney 2011

Click to access autour-de-salby-et-du-co2.pdf

http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2007/06/on_why_co2_is_known_not_to_hav.html#more on outgassing and Henry law.

D. Wunch et al The covariation of Northern Hemisphere summertime CO2 with surface temperature in boreal regions http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/13/9447/2013/acp-13-9447-2013.pdf

[13] Hubertus Fischer, Martin Wahlen, Jesse Smith, Derek Mastroianni, Bruce Deck, “Ice Core Records of Atmospheric CO2 around the Last Three Glacial Terminations,Science, vol. 283. no. 5408, pp. 1712 – 1714 (12 March 1999) “High-resolution records from Antarctic ice cores show that carbon dioxide concentrations increased by 80 to 100 parts per million by volume 600 ± 400 years after the warming of the last three deglaciations.”

J. P. Severinghaus, E. J. Brook Abrupt climate change at the end of the last glacial period inferred from trapped air in polar ice Science (286) pp. 930-934, 1999

Nicolas Caillon, Jeffrey P. Severinghaus, Jean Jouzel, Jean-Marc Barnola, Jiancheng Kang, Volodya Y. Lipenkov, “Timing of Atmospheric CO2 and Antarctic Temperature Changes Across Termination III ,” Science, vol. 299, no. 5613, pp. 1728 – 1731 (14 March 2003)

[14] Lowell Stott, Axel Timmermann, Robert Thunell Southern Hemisphere and Deep-Sea Warming Led Deglacial Atmospheric CO2 Rise and Tropical Warming 27 September 2007 on Science Express DOI: 0.1126/science.1143791 and supporting online material 1143791S.

[15] http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/10/co2_acquittal.html#more Jeffrey Glassman (PhD) has been the scientific director of the missiles at Hughes Aircraft

[16] Roe, G. In defense of Milankovitch, Geophys. Res. Lett., 2006, 33, L24703, doi:10.1029/2006GL027817 compares the time derivative of the ice volume dV/dt and the 65°N insolation; the match is very good except at the onset of deglaciations.

[17] Sorokhtin O. G., G.V.Chilingar, L.F. Khilyuk Global Warming and Global Cooling Evolution of the Climate of the Earth Elsevier 2007, 313 pages

[18] Diego Macias, Adolf Stips, Elisa Garcia-Gorriz Application of the Singular Spectrum Analysis Technique to Study the Recent Hiatus on the Global Surface Temperature Record PLOS ONE 1 September 2014 , Volume 9 Issue 9 e107222 (free access)

[19] The airborne carbon stock is about 850 Gt-C (2014) and the absorption by ocean and vegetation is 170 Gt-C/year. The most important feature is that due to CO2 fertilization of the air, plants grow bigger more quickly, have more leafs and absorb more: hence the yearly absorption increases like the stock of the air.

Graven HD, Keeling RF, Piper SC, et al., 2013, Enhanced Seasonal Exchange of CO2 by Northern Ecosystems Since 1960, Science, Vol:341, ISSN:0036-8075, pages 1085-1089 (the amplitude of the seasonal vegetation effect measured aboard planes (3 km to 6 km) has, north of 45°N grown by 50% w.r.t airplane observations carried late 1950s beginning 1960s.)

Prof. Ranga B. Myneni (department of Earth & Environment Boston University USA), The Greening Earth, Probing Vegetation Conference From Past to Future July 4‐5, 2013 Antwerp, Belgium

Donohue Randall et al. Deserts ‘greening’ from rising CO2 (CSIRO, the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation. Australia’s national science agency. 3 July 2013 http://www.csiro.au/en/Portals/Media/Deserts-greening-from-rising-CO2.aspx GRL 2013

Pretzsch, H., Biber, P., Schütze, G., Uhl, E., Rötzer, Th Forest stand growth dynamics in Central Europe have accelerated since 1870., (2014) Nat. Commun. 5:4967, DOI:10.1038/ncomms5967

James Hansen, Pushker Kharecha and Makiko Sato Climate forcing growth rates: doubling down on our Faustian bargain 2012 Environ. Res. Lett. 7 044035 Full text PDF (631 KB) suggest that the “chinese coal”has much increased the productivity of the plants

Ying Sun, et al. Impact of mesophyll diffusion on estimated global land CO2 fertilization PNAS 2014

[20] Bolin, B. & Eriksson, E. (1959): Changes in the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere and sea due to fossil fuel combustion. In: Bolin, B. (Ed.): The atmosphere and the sea in motion. Scientific contributions to the Rossby Memorial Volume. The Rockefeller Institute Press, New York, 130-142

[21] Scafetta Empirical evidence for a celestial origin of the climate oscillations and its implications Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics 72 (2010) 951–970 http://www.fel.duke.edu/~scafetta/pdf/scafetta-JSTP2.pdf

Mazzarella A. and N. Scafetta, 2012. Evidences for a quasi 60-year North Atlantic Oscillation since 1700 and its meaning for global climate change. Theoretical Applied Climatology 107, 599-609. http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1206/1206.5835.pdf

[22] I.E Frolov et al. Climatic changes of the Eurasian ice shelf (in Russian) Saint Petersburg Naouka 2007 pp. 106-110

he finds a peak to peak modulation of the solar constant of up to 30 W/m² with a non sinusoidal wave shape

[23] http://www.clim-past.net/8/765/2012/cp-8-765-2012.pdf and http://www.climateaudit.info/pdf/multiproxy/shi_2013.pdf

[24] Jean Louis Dufresne & Jacques Treiner “L’effet de serre atmosphérique plus subtil qu’on ne le croit” (Découverte n°373 Mars-Avril 2011, pp. 32-43)

[25] as the saturation partial pressure is like exp(6400/T) T – 5.31

[26] as the solar infrared radiation at 2.5 µm and 4.3 µm are slightly more absorbed by the “doubled” stratospheric CO2 (about 0.4 W/m² as 24 hours average) the required additional cooling of the surface by evaporation will be only 0.4 W/m²

[27] Ramanathan, V., Callis, L., Cess, R., Hansen, J., Isaksen, I., Kuhn, W., Lacis, A., Luther, F., Mahlman, J., Reck, R., and Schlesinger, M.: Climate-chemical interactions and effects of changing atmospheric trace gases, Rev. Geophys., 25, 1441-1482, 1987

Hansen, J., Sato, M., Kharecha, P. and von Schuckmann, K.: Earth’s energy imbalance and implications, Atmos. Chem. Phys., 11, 13421–13449, www.atmos-chem-phys.net/11/13421/2011/, 2011.

[28] G. Wöppelmann, B. Martin Miguez, M.-N. Bouin, Z. Altamimi Geocentric sea-level trend estimates from GPS analyses at relevant tide gauges world-wide Global and Planetary Change 57 (2007) 396–406 made a correct recalibration with the ITRF (International Terrestrial Reference Frame) defined by the International Earth Rotation Service

[29] Thesis of Nicolas Pouvreau Three hundreds years of tide gauge measurements: tools, methods and components of the sea level at Brest http://tel.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs/00/35/36/60/PDF/ThesePOUVREAU.pdf

Baart T.F. Van Gelder, P.H De Ronde, J.; Van Koningsveld, M., Wouters, B., 2012. The effect of the 18.6-year lunar nodal cycle on regional sea-level rise estimates. Journal of Coastal Research, 28(2), 511–516. They find for the Netherlands over 1900-2005

h(t) = 1,9 mm/year t + 12 mm sin(2 π t/18,6 + x) with no acceleration, a peak in Feb. 2005 and a subsidence of 0.4 mm/year

[30] A. Cazenave 2,8 mm/an, Le risque climatique, numéro spécial, dossiers de la Recherche, 2004, pp. 46-51. 2004

The drawned worldsThe Guardian (11/09/2004) with only the top of the Dutch windmills emerging from sea water in 2020.

[31] About Greenland IPCC SPM § B4 states: “we can say with a very high confidence level that the maximum mean sea level during the last interglacial (129 ka to 116 ka) has been at least 5 m above today’s seal level…. but this occurred under significantly different orbital forcing conditions ” This is to make us believe that a global mean temperature could drive the melting or calving of the Greenland; but the Eemian diminution of the Greenland ice cap is by no means related to an average global temperature but to the local summer insolation that during the last interglacial was up to 30 W/m² to 60 W/m² stronger than today’s. see:

van de Berg Willem Jan et al. Significant contribution of insolation to Eemian melting of the Greenland ice sheet, Nature Geoscience 4 Sept. 2011 DOI: 10.1038/NGEO1245 http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~broek112/home.php_files/Publications_MvdB/2011_vdBerg_NatGeo.pdf

Robinson A., H. Goelzer The importance of insolation changes for paleo ice sheet modeling The Cryosphere Discuss., 8, 337–362, 2014 www.the-cryosphere-discuss.net/8/337/2014/ doi:10.5194/tcd-8-337-2014 . This paper corrects a previous one of

A. Robinson, R. Calov, and A. Ganopolski Greenland ice sheet model parameters constrained using simulations of the Eemian Interglacial Clim. Past, 7, 381–396, 2011 www.clim-past.net/7/381/2011/ doi:10.5194/cp-7-381-2011

[32] Andrew Shepherd et al. A Reconciled Estimate of Ice-Sheet Mass Balance Science 338, pp. 1183-1189 (2012)

this reconciliation is an averaging of a set of estimates including outrageous ones fabricated in advance of the Copenhagen Conference of Parties

[33] H. Jay Zwally et al. Mass Gains of the Antarctic Ice Sheet Exceed Losses http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=20120013495 SCAR ISMASS Workshop, July 14, 2012 “During 2003 to 2008, the mass gain of the Antarctic ice sheet from snow accumulation exceeded the mass loss from ice discharge by 49 Gt/yr (2.5% of input), as derived from ICESat laser measurements of elevation change

this is significantly different … “

[34] http://joannenova.com.au/2012/05/man-made-sea-level-rises-are-due-to-global-adjustments/ de Frank Lansner

[35] Wada, Y., L. P. H. van Beek, C. M. van Kempen, J. W.T.M. Reckman, S. Vasak, and M.F.P. Bierkens (2010), Global depletion of groundwater resources, Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 37, L20402, doi:10.1029/2010GL044571, 2010,

Leonard F. Konikow Contribution of global groundwater depletion since 1900 to sealevel rise GRL VOL. 38, L17401, doi:10.1029/2011GL048604, 2011

Y. Wada et al. Past and future contribution of global groundwater depletion to sea-level rise, Geophysical Research Letters may 2012

[36] an up to 50 cm deep minimum occurred during the great El Niño of 1997-98; this provides the food for nonsensical “EXCEL” linear trends over 1992-2012: as the early part of the curve is depressed, the linear trend computed over 1992-2012 is steeply increasing; in reality “trends” are flat both before and after that great El Niño.

[37] David Douglass Ocean Heat Content and Earth’s radiation imbalance Heartland conference N.Y. March 2009

David H. Douglass, Robert S. Knox Ocean heat content and Earth’s radiation imbalance Physics Letters A 373 (2009) 3296–3300

Douglass, Christy et al.: A comparison of tropical temperature trends with model predictions. International Journal of Climatology, 2007 http://www.scribd.com/doc/904914/A-comparison-of-tropical-temperature-trends-with-model-predictions?page=6

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3058

[38] Ross McKitrick, Stephen McIntyre, Chad Herman Panel and Multivariate Methods for Tests of Trend Equivalence in Climate Data Series Atmospheric Science Letters 2010

[39] S.Costa and K. Shine Outgoing longwave radiation due to directly transmitted surface emission http://plutao.sid.inpe.br/col/dpi.inpe.br/plutao/2012/11.28.19.31.24/doc/Outgoing%20Longwave%20Radiation%20due%20to%20Directly%20Transmitted%20Surface%20Emission-1.pdf

[40] the transmission of diffuse infrared radiation across a layer of optical thickness t is 2E3(t) that is 20% for t=1.07 and 6% for t=2

[41] http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch1s1-6.html

[42] pvap = RH(P) Evap sat(P); assuming a relative humidity RH ~P0.75 , inserting T(P) = Tsurface p0.19 and ρair = P/ (R T) ~ P0.81 in Evap sat leads to Evap sat(Pa)= 1.331 1026 exp(-6816/Tsurface) Tsurface-5.13 P -1.0947+ 1451.8 /Tsurface

H2Oair) ~ P0,75 P-1,0947+ 1451,8 /Tsurface / P = P-1.34 + 1452/Tsurface = P3.7 for Tsurface= 288 K

ρH2O(P) ~ pvap / P0.19 = P0.75 -1.09 + 1452/Tsurface -.19 = P4.51 for Tsurface = 288 K and 80% of the fraction of the total water vapor between P=1 and P=0.75 atm (near 2.3 km) is (1-.755.51) = 80%

The differential dt of the optical thickness of a layer of thickness dz, is thanks to the barometer equation dp= – ρair g dz

dt = k(ν, P, T) ρgaz trace dz = k(ν, P, T) ρgaz trace(-101325 dP/(g ρair )) = – k(ν, P, T) (ρgaz traceair ) (-101325 /g ) dP

hence dt ~ P3.7 dP; and the optical thickness of water vapour cumulated from the top of the air is about tH2O(ν, P) = tH2Omax(ν) P4.7

tH2Omax(ν) for 25 kg/m² is shown figure 6-A.

[43] a 1 W/m² unbalance would, if left in the air, after one year, heat the air by 1 W/m² x 365.25 x 86400 /( 10328 kg/m² x 1005) = +3°C

[44] a reduction of 1/7 of the water vapour content of the air near 300 mbar pushes down by a factor 1/(1-1/7)4.7 =1.03 the P80% level and the P80% temperature increases by a factor 1.030.19 = 1.006 that is by about 1.5 K for the radiation temperature over the far infrared spectral range

[45] John Turner, Tom Bracegirdle, Tony Phillips, Gareth J. Marshall, J. Scott Hosking An Initial Assessment of Antarctic Sea Ice Extent in the CMIP5 Models Journal of Climate 2012 ; e-View doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-12-00068.1

[46] hence over 30 years, in 2009 the maximum ice pack area should be 64 % = (1-0,136)3 of its 1979 value instead of the observed increase by 15% or more

[47] Christian Haas Auf dünnem Eis Eisdickenänderungen im Nordpolarmeer pp. 97-101 of Warnsignale aus den Polarregionen Wissenschaftliche Auswertungen Hamburg 2006

see www.climate4you.com sea ice/ Arctic sea ice thickness and displacement

[48] YAN Chang-Xiang, ZHU Jiang The Impact of “Bad” Argo Profiles on Ocean Data Assimilation Atmospheric and oceanic science letters , 2010, VOL. 3, n° 2, 59−63 for list of “grey” floats: http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/argo/grey_floats.htm

[49] Dean Roemmich, Scripps Institution of Oceanography Argo and Ocean Heat Content: Progress and Issues http://ceres.larc.nasa.gov/documents/STM/2013-10/14_Global_averages.pdf

[50] a blanket around the Earth http://climate.nasa.gov/causes/ http://www.whrc.org/resources/primer_greenhouse.html: Greenhouse gases act like an insulator or blanket above the earth, keeping the heat in. Increasing the concentration of these gases in the atmosphere increases the thickness of this insulator, therefore increasing the atmosphere’s ability to block the escape of infrared radiation.

[51] Gerhard Kramm, Ralph Dlugi Comments on the Paper ‘Earth’s energy imbalance and implications’ By J. Hansen, M. Sato, P. Kharecha, and K. von Schuckmann http://arxiv.org/abs/1203.1289

[52] see any thermal transfer handbook like Taine et al. Transferts Thermiques Dunod 2008 page 222-226 §7-7 Hottel hemisphere which details the limits of those simple computations .

[53] S. Chandrasekhar Radiative Transfer Oxford University Press 1950, 393 pages Dover NY 1960

[54] The shape of the optical thickness of the water vapour (figure 6-A) is such that almost all the layers of the troposphere are cooling over some part of the spectrum (figure 6-C); hence we can not tell where the air must warm to restore the OLR.

[55] Willis Eschenbach The Cold Equations January 28, 2011 http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/28/the-cold-equations/

[56] https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080307100910AAWZb2f paper at http://www.pensee-unique.fr/HeatCapacity.pdf.

[57] This ratio goes from 0.9 for cold high latitudes with little water vapor (some kg/m²) to 0.75 in the tropics with up to 75 kg/m² of water vapour. It is about Ptop 4 x 0,19 = Ptop0,76 ; possible examples of {Tsurface, Ptop, , σTsurface4 , σTsurface4 Ptop0,76 } are {300 K, 0,42 atm , 460 W/m², 237 W/m²} for inter-tropical conditions , {285 K, 0,55 atm, 374 W/m², 237 W/m²} for mid latitudes summer , {253 K, 0,85 atm , 232 W/m², 202 W/m²} for high latitudes winter

[58] that means for the assumed reduction of the OLR of 3,7 W/m² for CO2 doubling a temperature increase of (5 x 3,7 / 17)= 1,1°C

[59] As shown on the cards n°1 to n°4, [CO2]natural is the integral of k(T(t) – T0), is an effect of the termperatures and cannot be their cause.

[60] On page 586 of this text there are some sentences on the apparatus of de Saussure, a forerunner of the tools used to measure the solar constant, apparatus made by Pouillet in 1838. At that time there was not much understanding of the electromagnetic waves discovered 40 years later, and Fourier likely believed in some solid ether carrying the light like an elastic wave, and carrying the heat according to Fourier heat conduction theory.

[61] see the paper of 1906 (facsimile in Gerhard Gerlich, Ralf D. Tscheuschner Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics International Journal of Modern Physics B 2009 115 pages, 205 references) where it is said that the disappearance of the carbonic acid would cause a 18.7% increase of the surface radiation to the cosmos and a decrease of the average surface temperature to 288 K (1-0,187)1/4 = 273,5 K. A quick look at figures 6-A to 6-C shows that it is not the surface that radiates to the cosmos, but mostly the top of the water vapour.

[62] see the graph comparing surface radiation absorbed by the air and radiation of the air to the surface in Dr. Ferenc M. Miskolczi Physics of the planetary greenhouse effect International conference on global warming, New York, March -4, 2008. The data are from the TIGR (Tiros initial Guess Retrieval) archive.

[63] Rik Wanninkhof, W. R. McGillis A cubic relationship between CO2 air sea exchange and wind speed GRL, 26, n°13 pp

1889-1892 July 1999

[64] James P. Barry, Toby Tyrrell Lina Hansson, Gian-Kasper Plattner Jean-Pierre Gattuso Atmospheric CO2 targets for ocean acidification perturbation experiments pp. 53-66 in Guide to best practices for ocean acidification research and data reporting Edited by U. Riebesell, V. J. Fabry, L. Hansson and J.-P. Gattuso. 2010, Luxembourg: Publications Office of the European Union

[65] Gates, W. L., J. Boyle, C. Covey, C. Dease, C. Doutriaux, R. Drach, M. Fiorino, P. Gleckler, J. Hnilo, S. Marlais, T. Phillips, G. Potter, B.D. Santer, K.R. Sperber, K. Taylor and D. Williams, 1999: An overview of the Atmospheric Model Intercomparison Project (AMIP). Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, 80, 29-55

[66] Bjorn Stevens, Sandrine Bony What are Climate models missing ? Science 340, 1053 (2013) http://www.sciencemag.org/content/340/6136/1053.full.html

[67] see references in http://www.nipccreport.org/articles/2011/nov/23nov2011a5.html

K. C. Wang, R. E. Dickinson M. Wild S. Liang Atmospheric impacts on climatic variability of surface incident solar radiation Atmos. Chem. Phys., 12, 9581–9592, 2012 www.atmos-chem-phys.net/12/9581/2012/ doi:10.5194/acp-12-9581-2012

Y.-M. Wang, J. L. Lean, and N. R. Sheeley, Jr.Modeling the sun’s magnetic field since 1713 Atmos. Chem. Phys., 12, 9581–9592, 2012

Fangqun Yu and Gan Luo Effect of solar variations on particle formation and cloud condensation nuclei Environ. Res. Lett. 9 (2014) 045004 (7 pp) doi:10.1088/1748-9326/9/4/045004

[68] R. Vautard, P. Yiou, G. J. van Oldenborgh Decline of fog, mist and haze in Europe over the past 30 years Nature Geoscience Letters vol. 2, Feb. 2009, pp 115-119

[69] Enric Pallé Decadal variability in the Earth’s reflectance as observed by Earthshine http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/news/2004ScienceMeeting/SORCE%20WORKSHOP%202004/SESSION_4/4_12_Palle.pdf http://iloapp.thejll.com/blog/earthshine?ShowFile&doc=1367577059.pdf

[70] http://bbso.njit.edu/Research/EarthShine/literature/Palle_etal_2004_Science.pdf

[71] Se the books of Robert Tisdale http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/ for many analyses of the ocean surface temperatures continuously observed by satellites since 1982 and extensive comparisons of model outputs with observations

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/25/new-book-by-bob-tisdale-climate-models-fail/

[72] Koutsoyiannis, D., A. Efstratiadis, N. Mamassis, and A. Christofides, On the credibility of climate predictions, Hydrological Sciences Journal, 53 (4), 671–684, 2008 http://itia.ntua.gr/en/byauthor/Koutsoyiannis/0/

G. G. Anagnostopoulos , D. Koutsoyiannis , A. Christofides , A. Efstratiadis & N. Mamassis (2010) A comparison of local and aggregated climate model outputs with observed data, Hydrological Sciences Journal, 55:7, 1094-1110, DOI: 10.1080/ 02626667.2010.513518 and the thesis of G.G. Anagnostopoulos

[73] In the study of non linear self organized totally dissipative systems it’s the fluctuations that are the relevant information.

Computing Navier Stokes equations on thousands of nodes may be relevant for short term weather forecast with small meshes but discrete models unstable w.r.t initial conditions cannot be used for long term predictions, as said by IPCC AR3 2001.

[74] Suckling, P.W. and Mitchell, M.D. 2000. Variation of the Koppen C/D climate boundary in the central United States during the 20th century. Physical Geography 21: 38-45. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/04/solar-neutrons-and-the-1970s-cooling-period/

[75] The start of the global warming frenzy can be dated to papers of Manabe (1967) and of St Schneider (1975) On the carbon dioxide- climate confusion. Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences, 32, pp. 2060 – 2066 ; four years before the same Schneider (Science, 1971 vol 173, pp. 138-141) was forecasting the imminent glaciation due to the aerosols from the guilty human industry

[76] Nina Golyandina, Anatoly Zhigljavsky Singular Spectrum Analysis for Time Series Springer Briefs in Statistics, 2013, 119 pages

[77] Philippe de Larminat Climate Change: Identifications and projections ISTE editions London 2014 (139 pages)

available on line http://iste-editions.fr/products/changement-climatique

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Paltridge, G. W. (2001), A physical basis for a maximum of thermodynamic dissipation of the climate system Q.J.R. Meteorol. Soc., 127: 305–313. doi: 10.1002/qj.49712757203 /// G. W. Paltridge, “Stumbling into the mep racket: A historical perspective,” in Non-equilibrium Thermodynamics and the Production of Entropy: Life, Earth, and Beyond (A. Kleidon and R. Lorenz, eds.), ch. 3, Springer Verlag Berlin Heidelberg, 2005 /// Paltridge G. W. Global dynamics and climate- a system of minimum entropy exchange. Quart J Royal Meteorol Soc . (1975) 101: 475-484. /// Paltridge G. W. The steady-state format of the global climate Quart. J.R. Met. Soc. (1978), 104, pp. 927-945 http://www.climateaudit.info/pdf/models/paltridge.1978.pdf

G. W. Paltridge, G. D. Farquhar, and M. Cuntz, “Maximum entropy production, cloud feedback, and climate change,” Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 34, 2007

http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2014/06/01/le-chatelier-and-his-principle-vs-the-trouble-with-trenberth/ June 2014 by E.M. Smith

[80] http://belgotopia.blogs.lalibre.be/archive/2015/03/12/climat-pourquoi-le-giec-doit-etre-demantele-1140970.html

Critique épistémologique du Groupe d’experts intergouvernemental sur le climat (GIEC), un cours-conférence du Collège Belgique donné par Drieu Godefridi 28 Avril 2015

[81] A prototypal example of scientism is the “science of the dialectical and historical materialism” based on the writings of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin; it was supposed to lead to a higher level of mankind and has been put forward to justify the “dictatorship of the proletariat” and the mass murders perpetrated by Lenin, Trotsky … up to Pol Pot and Kim Il Sung.

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troe
May 12, 2015 3:20 am

And yet it lives on. The answer to that may b found in one word “Yieldco”

Lee grable
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May 12, 2015 8:23 am

This is the most comprehensive list of debunked skeptic talking points I’ve seen. Thanx Mr Watts.

Larry
Reply to  Lee grable
May 12, 2015 9:38 am

Perhaps you’ll provide a list to the “debunking” of each of these points.
Hint, linking back to you saying they are debunked is not adequate.

Lee grable
Reply to  Lee grable
May 12, 2015 9:53 am

Tell you what, get back to me when Senator Snowball starts a House investigation into the Great Global Warming Hoax, Until then, all this is just noise.

Larry
Reply to  Lee grable
May 12, 2015 10:20 am

So then you won’t post anything backing up your claim of all this being debunked.
Gotcha.

Duster
Reply to  Lee grable
May 12, 2015 10:52 am

Just who has debunked Geocarb III, and where is it published? AFAIK, Geocarb III is the standard in geology for atmospheric chemistry estimates.

RWturner
Reply to  Lee grable
May 12, 2015 11:15 am

People that write thanks as “thanx” tend to be true believers in CAGW. Or is it buhleebers?

MarkW
Reply to  Lee grable
May 12, 2015 11:42 am

Thank you for so discrediting the alarmist side. I couldn’t have done it better had I been paid to.

Brute
Reply to  Lee grable
May 12, 2015 1:18 pm

grable
Please provide a coherent point-by-point explanation of what you refer to as “debunked”. This most necessary to many of us.

Lee grable
Reply to  Lee grable
May 12, 2015 1:28 pm

So, by pointing out that Senator Inhofe doesn’t think this site is credible, somehow that discredits the Climate Scientists and AGW?
That’s some logic.
LOL.

Lee grable
Reply to  Lee grable
May 12, 2015 1:33 pm

Ah well. Picking on morans gets boring after awhile.
Adeiu. That’s french, don’t cha know.
Probably not.
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Brute
Reply to  Lee grable
May 12, 2015 2:17 pm

grable
I don’t understand why you want to discredit AGW by coming across as an ignorant troll.
I think you are a denier pretending otherwise. Please prove me wrong by providing a coherent explanation for your words.

MarkW
Reply to  Lee grable
May 12, 2015 3:23 pm

Climate scientists and AGW are already discredited, regardless of what Sen. Inhofe thinks of this site.
Really, is that the best you can do?

jim
Reply to  Lee grable
May 12, 2015 3:50 pm

I notice you refuse to provide any evidence that the “talking points” have actually been discredited.
That is just like all the true believers that just know evidence that man is causing dangerous global warming is out there somewhere, but they never seem to be able to produce it. Or thy think telling one to read the entire IPCC report is citing evidence.
Show us the evidence or quit pretending there is evidence.

Walt D.
Reply to  Lee grable
May 12, 2015 3:56 pm

Lee: Please debunk point 21. (if you can the Clay Institute has a $1 million prize waiting for you).

Reply to  Lee grable
May 12, 2015 9:43 pm

Debunking by use of appealing to authority, circular logic, using a web site run by a cartoonist as a source, ridiculing the author, pointing at made up data, and “because me and my pals said so” isn’t cutting it with most of the public anymore. More people are getting wise to the warmest tricks.

Francisco
Reply to  Lee grable
May 13, 2015 6:21 am

This guest blogger might be wrong on some pretty important points. He says outgoing longwave radiation is increasing. But that is not what satellite data are telling us:
Trenberth et al (2009) – http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2008BAMS2634.1 -Hansen et al (2005) – http://meteora.ucsd.edu/cap/pdffiles/Hansen-04-29-05.pdf
Loeb et al (2012) – http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v5/n2/full/ngeo1375.html
Allen et al (2014) – http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014GL060962/abstract
Trenberth et al (2014) – http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-13-00294.1
He says the mean global temperature has not increased. 2014 was the hottest year in recorded history (arguably), and he is not including ocean heat content. That, of course, means the temperature has not been stable since 1997 (a blatant mischaracterization).
The concentration of CO2 has increased in nearly linear fashion since beginning to record it in 1958. The guest poster says CO2 has a residence time of only 5 years. But then he says that 57% of CO2 emissions have been emitted since 1997. That would clearly make an exponential increase in CO2 concentration, not linear.
He talks about the 60 year cycle, but fails to note that the crest of each cycle is significantly higher than the previous one, despite natural variation favoring a decline in global temperatures.
He says sea level rise is only about 1.3 mm/yr. But that is not what observers see: http://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate2635.epdf?referrer_access_token=yZz-7GGgLdvf1C_KDFYqz9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0N5fzwNWDzDlsPEy1vw729c4ZHGeJIdooaQD8emODM1CV5ESMhXrGAyrxDvOFoRDzWKMyJvDXzL2iS-INIdWm8DSKxD_pr0597drjXflvabAppQHt5hlEGrcG2lU-gDc35LwjwJvCz1KEU8dy7w7sUJ__kJYLKMYXIr2xvk1XMUb8fzor74BBIrW8bzOjx0FGM%3D&tracking_referrer=news.sciencemag.org
He says water vapor content has been roughly constant for 50 years, but that is contradicted here: http://www.pnas.org/content/104/39/15248.full.pdf
The increase in Antarctic sea ice extent has been discussed numerous times before in this group. It is well accounted for – increasing Antarctic ice melt and changing wind circulation patterns.
Ocean heat content has not been decreasing: ftp://www.lib.noaa.gov/pub/woa/PUBLICATIONS/grlheat12.pdf
http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/Trenberth/website-archive/trenberth.papers-moved/Balmaseda_Trenberth_Kallen_grl_13.pdf
The atmosphere is not saturated WRT CO2:http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/06/a-saturated-gassy-argument/
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/06/a-saturated-gassy-argument-part-ii/
He has a weak discussion on the divergence of models and observations. What has diverged for a longer time period and to a greater degree than anytime in the last 1150 years according to proxy data is solar luminosity and global temperatures. No skeptic scientist has come up with any explanation of this that doesn’t include the addition of anthropogenic greenhouse gases.
Earth’s Global Energy Budget
Kevin E. Trenberth, John T. Fasullo, and Jeffrey Kiehl, 2009: Earth’s Global Energy Budget. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 90, 311–323. doi: http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2008BAMS2634.1

Reply to  Lee grable
May 13, 2015 12:50 pm

Oh my God,
Besides several good points, there are a few stupid ones, which will give the “warmistas” a field fest…
– Point 3 is right but completely irrelevant: even if only 1% of all CO2 in the atmosphere was originally human, that doesn’t say anything about the cause of the increase in the atmosphere.
– Point 4 is right but completely irrelevant: the residence time as described by the IPCC too is 5 years, but that is the average time that a CO2 molecule in the atmosphere resides, before being swapped with a CO2 molecule from another reservoir. That says next to nothing about how long an extra shot CO2 needs to be removed back to equilibrium (which needs ~40 years half life time).
– Point 5 is right, but ignores the underlying trend (which is small but significant).
– Point 8 is wrong: sea rise is currently around 3 mm/year, but somewhat decelerating.
– Point 17 is pure nonsense, based on the variability around the trend, not on the trend itself.
It repeats the dCO2/dt = k(T-T0) from Salby and Bart, which violates Henry’s law for the solubility of CO2 in seawater and violates even the most elementary knowledge of a feedback process:
If you add CO2 into the atmosphere, you suppress the CO2 influx from the atmosphere and increase the outflux into the oceans. That makes that:
dCO2/dt = k(T-T0) – ΔpCO2
where ΔpCO2 is the increase in CO2 pressure in the atmosphere since t = 0
It is a transient function: if the temperature of the ocean increases, more CO2 is entering the atmosphere, but as the CO2 pressure increases, the influx is reduced and outflux enhanced and dCO2/dt reduces ultimately to zero, that is when:
ΔpCO2 = k(T-T0)
where k = ~8 ppmv/K
That is what Henry’s law says…
Sorry, but this story is far too long and diverse to give a full comment. As I had a quite intense discussion at Dr. Curry’s blog in the past days specifically on the same above points, I have not much enthusiasm to repeat that again here. I still have (sometimes) another life than pointing some skeptics to some grave errors in their reasoning… If some want to look there:
http://judithcurry.com/2015/05/06/quantifying-the-anthropogenic-contribution-to-atmospheric-co2/

Camille
Reply to  Lee grable
May 15, 2015 3:59 am

REPLY to the comments made by Francisco May 13, 2015 at 6:21 am
Many thanks for the references; none of them disprove the data shown in the post.
QUOTE: “This guest blogger might be wrong on some pretty important points. He says outgoing longwave radiation is increasing. But that is not what satellite data are telling us: Trenberth et al (2009) –… Trenberth et al (2014) – http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-13-00294.1
ANSWER: quote from Trenberth 2014 conclusion: “From the estimates discussed here, it is clear that the net energy imbalance at TOA varies naturally in response to weather and climate variations, the most distinctive of which is ENSO. It also varies with the sunspot cycle. Moreover, the net TOA energy flux is profoundly influenced by volcanic eruptions (not new) and almost simultaneously, but with some blurring, so too is OHC. All of these influences occur superposed on the climate change signals associated with changes in atmospheric composition.”
In other words, they are plenty of excuses for our prophecies to be proven wrong by the observations ! This paper does not consider the OLR but only some “net” Short Wave (solar) minus Long Wave (thermal).
The OLR – which should be reduced by the supposed “enhanced greenhouse effect” is depicted on figures 14-A and 21-C of the post.
QUOTE: “He says the mean global temperature has not increased. 2014 was the hottest year in recorded history (arguably), and he is not including ocean heat content. That, of course, means the temperature has not been stable since 1997 (a blatant mischaracterization).”
ANSWER: It is what IPCC calls a “hiatus”; it proves the models are wrong despite some 52 or more “excuses”; regarding the temperature of the ocean keep in mind that 1 W/m² over ten years over 2000 meters is +0,038°C/(decade) not a huge “warming”. About half of the 2003-2006 Argo records have been deleted as the suggested an annoying cooling; this may be related to a defect of some apparatus … or not.
QUOTE: The concentration of CO2 has increased in nearly linear fashion since beginning to record it in 1958. The guest poster says CO2 has a residence time of only 5 years. But then he says that 57% of CO2 emissions have been emitted since 1997. That would clearly make an exponential increase in CO2 concentration, not linear.
ANSWER: see truth n°17 the CO2 increase is mostly natural and is a consequence of the simple equation relating the derivative of the natural part of the content of the air d(CO2)/dt and the temperature T(t).
As explained below figure 4-C, the roughly constant lifetime of CO2 molecules in the air is: stock / (yearly absorption) which has been more or less constant since 1960. The derivation if as follows: there are four datasets : (1) and (2) anthropic emissions and their time varying delta13C, (3) CO2 content of the air (since 1958) and (4) its delta13C (since about 1977 with some measurements before)
To CO2 content of the air is made of an anthropic part (about 6% now, much less in 1958) and of a natural part (94% now, 98.4% in 1958); the delta13C of the natural part is slowly shifting from the -6.5 pm of the little ice age (from corals and other proxies) to about -7 pm; is it this shift in the natural part that constrains the lifetime: non realistic values are obtained for too short and too long lifetimes.
Instead of 57% please read 37% on truth n°2 ( numbers of Gt-C are reminded on page 8)
QUOTE: He talks about the 60 year cycle, but fails to note that the crest of each cycle is significantly higher than the previous one, despite natural variation favoring a decline in global temperatures.
ANSWER: the strongest cycle is the 1000 year cycle displayed on figures 5-B and 5-C.
QUOTE: He says sea level rise is only about 1.3 mm/yr. But that is not what observers see: http://www.nature.c
ANSWER: See psmsl.org data base and the paper quoted as reference 28 (Wöppelmann) for a GPS correction of subsidence. The paper quoted is discussing only from “reprocessed” satellite data that have been shown to be frauds or quasi frauds (see many papers by Prof. Mörner).
QUOTE: He says water vapor content has been roughly constant for 50 years, but that is contradicted here: http://www.pnas.org/content/104/39/15248.full.pdf
ANSWER: the quoted paper by Santer considers only the TOTAL water vapour content. For the outgoing longwave radiation as explained at length in the post what is important is the location of the surface at an optical thickness one from the top of the air; this is related to the water vapour content above 600 mbar and as shown figure 6-D is driven mainly by the 300 mbar level.
QUOTE: The increase in Antarctic sea ice extent has been discussed numerous times before in this group. It is well accounted for – increasing Antarctic ice melt and changing wind circulation patterns.
ANSWER: The “increasing Antarctic ice melt” is localized in the peninsula and as shown by Orr, Sommeria and al. Characteristics of Summer Airflow over the Antarctic Peninsula in Response to Recent Strengthening of Westerly Circumpolar Winds (s. J. Atmos. Sci., 65, 1396–1413.) (and other papers of Sommeria) is a local effect due to wind deflection by the mountain crests.
QUOTE: Ocean heat content has not been decreasing:
ANSWER: see figures 13-A and 13-B ; the “regional” decrease out side 20°S-60°S” should be explained !
QUOTE: The atmosphere is not saturated WRT CO2: http://www.realclimate.org/
ANSWER: this red herring is discussed at length in truth n°6; Dufresne and Treiner members of the AGW establishment write it is satured, Pierrehumbert wrote it is not; the truth is 0,8 (W/m²) / 400 ( W/m²) = 0,002 or two thousandths for the closing of the 750 cm-1 border of the window by doubling the CO2 content.
Much, much less than the hour to hour changes at a given point, not to speak of seasonal changes!
QUOTE: He has a weak discussion on the divergence of models and observations. What has diverged for a longer time period and to a greater degree than anytime in the last 1150 years according to proxy data is solar luminosity and global temperatures..
ANSWER: please read the end of truth n°21 page 45; identification methods used in engineering show that the sun’s influence has been reduced by a factor 10 to 20 by the IPCC (who consider luminosity and not the magnetic field !) with respect to what it is in reality, and that the greenhouse gases have no obvious effect.
I recommend reading the book of Professor de Larminat (reference 77) and many papers by Prof. Le Mouel, Courtillot Banter and Kossobokov (2005-2011) correlating long series of temperature and magnetic effects. (for instance: A solar pattern in the longest temperature series from three stations in Europe Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics (2009)
QUOTE: No skeptic scientist has come up with any explanation of this that doesn’t include the addition of anthropogenic greenhouse gases
ANSWER: no warmist has come up with an explanation of the Holocene optimum and of the medieval optimum (figures 5-A to 5-C)
The temperatures were about 3°C higher during the Holocene optimum see IPCC AR1 figure 7-5; and even on the bottom of the Indonesian straights (about 920 m) as shown by Yair Rosenthal
for more references see
https://climatesanity.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/dont-panic-the-arctic-has-survived-warmer-temperatures-in-the-past/
Yair Rosenthal et al.) (http://climateaudit.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/rosenthal-2013-figure-2c-annotated.png)
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/contributions_by_author/jiang2015/jiang2015-md99-2275.txt
http://climateaudit.org/2015/01/08/ground-truthing-marcott/ fichier uahmsu 2014-1.nb

David Riser
May 12, 2015 3:22 am

Wow, that’s all I am going to say!

jipebe29
Reply to  David Riser
May 12, 2015 8:36 am

You are on the good way….

Craig
May 12, 2015 3:28 am

Cue the trolls Daniel et al, come on down……..

MarkW
Reply to  Craig
May 12, 2015 11:43 am

Looks like they had to hire a new batch of trolls. The old ones must be getting worn out.

mike hamblet
Reply to  MarkW
May 12, 2015 12:25 pm

You should know………

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
May 12, 2015 9:05 pm

Is that really the best you can do? Even for a warmist, that was pathetic.

mickgreenhough
May 12, 2015 3:34 am

I was unable to open this ‘Read more of this post’ MG From: Watts Up With That? To: mickgreenhough@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2015, 11:01 Subject: [New post] 22 Very Inconvenient Climate Truths #yiv6732152950 a:hover {color:red;}#yiv6732152950 a {text-decoration:none;color:#0088cc;}#yiv6732152950 a.yiv6732152950primaryactionlink:link, #yiv6732152950 a.yiv6732152950primaryactionlink:visited {background-color:#2585B2;color:#fff;}#yiv6732152950 a.yiv6732152950primaryactionlink:hover, #yiv6732152950 a.yiv6732152950primaryactionlink:active {background-color:#11729E;color:#fff;}#yiv6732152950 WordPress.com | Guest Blogger posted: “Here are 22 good reasons not to believe the statements made by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)Guest essay by Jean-Pierre Bardinet.According to the official statements of the IPCC “Science is clear” and non-believers cannot be ” | |
[problem exists on your end, update your browser, get more ram, get software updates, whatever, thousands of people have no problems reading WUWT, those that do usually have issues of their own making – mod]

Reply to  mickgreenhough
May 12, 2015 6:13 am

The message ‘Read more of this post’ is coming from an RSS or other syndicated feed, which is apparently unable to process this post due to its rather large size. To verify this, first reboot your computer, and then just click on this direct link:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/12/22-very-inconvenient-climate-truths/
If that works then it is definitely the RSS feed which is clipping or truncating the link.
If that still didn’t work then you might have other issues too: try another browser (Firefox, Chrome, etc).

mike hamblet
May 12, 2015 3:38 am

[snip -policy violation -mod]

Dodgy Geezer
May 12, 2015 3:42 am

…the least terrifying list you’ll ever see…
Not so for Craig, and all the ‘climate scientists’. It means they will have to give up lying and living off state grants, and go out to work for a living…

Harry Passfield
May 12, 2015 3:46 am

5. The changes of the Mean Global Temperature are more or less sinusoidal with a well defined 60 year period. We are at a maximum of the sinusoid(s) and hence the next years should be cooler as has been observed after 1950.

I recall positing the sinusoidal process on a discussion at the Daily Telegraph last year and got trolled off the board for my sins. Apparently, to the true believers, if you claim a sine wave pattern they take it literally to mean something like the 50/60 Hz AC form. Duh.

Paul Mackey
Reply to  Harry Passfield
May 13, 2015 1:00 am

@Harry Passfield – The oscillation is clear to see I agree. It is something I have been pondering regarding the use of anomalies, which are measured against the accepted “climatology” for a given site. So is this oscillation accounted for in the datum “Climatology”? I just have niggling doubts about the calculation of anomalies and their supposed universal comparison. I am just not at all sure they are actually meaningful, given an oscillating background datum.

Alan Robertson
May 12, 2015 3:49 am

C’est magnifique!

jipebe29
Reply to  Alan Robertson
May 12, 2015 8:33 am

Merci!
Jean-Pierre

Robert Doyle
May 12, 2015 3:53 am

Is a PDF version of this post available?
This is great work! However, it is elephantine.
A printable version would be appreciated.

AB
Reply to  Robert Doyle
May 12, 2015 4:59 am

You could easily copy it into word and save as a pdf and, providing it is for your own use, there may not be any copyright issues. A mod might like to chime in here.

VicV
Reply to  AB
May 12, 2015 5:28 am

The original article (in French) can be accessed by clicking on the author’s name at the top. It’s only 3 pages there, though, ending with the 22nd point. A “print” button is available at the top [Imprimer], so it seems there is no prohibition on printing that.

VicV
Reply to  Robert Doyle
May 12, 2015 5:20 am

MAKING YOUR OWN PDF from a selection on a webpage.
You may be able to make your own PDF. For Windows there are free “print to PDF” available on the Net. (I can’t speak to other Operating Systems, but I’d bet so.) Install one (after checking it with a virus scanner), then select what you want included in the PDF. For instance, I clicked on the “H” of “Here are 22 good reasons…” at the top of the article, moved without clicking to the end of last word I wanted included in the PDF, then held the shift key and clicked (in this case, on the period following that last word). What you want in the PDF should then be selected. Hit Ctrl-p. Make sure to change the printer driver to your PDF printer. Make sure the result includes only the selection you made. (Mine has a print option, ‘Selection only’.) Let ‘er fly.

Reply to  VicV
May 12, 2015 7:13 am

As another option, LibreOffice is a free open-source office suite with Save to PDF functionality.

tgmccoy
Reply to  VicV
May 12, 2015 8:16 am

worked as you said . Great article too- All the points in one post….

Reply to  VicV
May 12, 2015 8:52 am

Mac OS X print dialogues include a PDF dropdown button with a variety of PDF options.
/Mr Lynn

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Robert Doyle
May 12, 2015 6:04 am

Robert: If you use Chrome there’s an app that lets you transfer the article (minus comments) to your Kindle (assuming…etc).

Eliza
May 12, 2015 3:55 am

A must read by everybody. Alarmists, Skeptics, media ect. The replies by those two “Climatologists” are absolutely pathetic. The writer wins 100 to 0. You should send this to Booker (telegraph) and to Judith Curry. It shows that in a debate the skeptics wins hands down. No wonder the alarmists do not want this to come out. Its a complete fraud and they know it. The most significant posting by WUWT ever.

jipebe29
Reply to  Eliza
May 12, 2015 5:34 am

The document has already been sent to Judith Curry.
Jean-Pierre

Tim
Reply to  Eliza
May 12, 2015 8:09 am

No doubt that this is an outstanding scientific rebuttal of the politically – driven propaganda being regularly served up to the politicians and the populace for years.
But neither of these groups will fathom this sophisticated science. To reach the wide audience that is constantly targeted so successfully by the ‘settled science’ crowd, this also needs to be translated into easily digested terms that the masses and their leaders can easily understand. They are all time-poor people and not prone to reading volumes.
IMO it needs to be sent out in mass press releases to the media in language that reaches the general public and their busy servants.
Unfortunately it has become more a PR war than a scientific one.

RoHa
Reply to  Tim
May 12, 2015 6:17 pm

Exactly. The first bit is OK for an educated non-scientist, but the stuff after that, giving the supporting details, is full of wriggly lines and very hard mathematics. Makes my brain hurt.
Whereas people like that nice Mr. Flannery can keep it fairly simple by saying “Scientists say we are all totally, horribly, apocalyptically, run-screaming-through-the-streets-while-civilization-collapses-around-us doomed.”
Much easier for me to understand. And I’m a lot brighter than most politicians.

Robert Wykoff
Reply to  Eliza
May 12, 2015 9:55 am

Yeah, the replies from the climatologists seemed to always be in the tone of “Your are stupid. You are lying. You are stupid”

Reply to  Robert Wykoff
May 13, 2015 7:33 am

” You are lying. You are stupid”
Yup.
And in the case of some of the more prolific warmista apologists on WUWT, they often manage to say it in 20,000 delightfully pedantic words or less.

Reply to  Eliza
May 13, 2015 1:10 am

“This is the most significant WUWT post ever” Agreed!

Reply to  wickedwenchfan
May 13, 2015 1:15 am

As for putting this into layman’s language to combat con men like Flanery, well, that’s up to us! I know I’m up for it!

Alx
May 12, 2015 3:57 am

Science is not a search for “truth”, that’s for philosophers, theologians and politicians; those disciplines do indeed create different “truths”. Science is making observations, collecting and organizing facts, developing explanations for those facts, and then testing the explanations.
My expert is better than your expert is not a scientific argument, actually it is not an argument of any kind, it is an appeal to authority. Those that have found the “truth” can relax since all they have to do is to remember to periodically light a candle at the AGW altar. Those that who have not found the “truth” still have a lot of work in pursuing the science.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
Reply to  Alx
May 12, 2015 5:31 am

I know what you’re saying, but I still have to take issue with your first sentence (perhaps it’s semantics). Sometimes, when science reveals or develops an explanation, it is the ‘truth’. If science states a theory about dark matter, for example, then that’s just a theory, and not necessarily the truth. But there are indisputable truths in science; the ‘laws’ of physics, for example, the 2nd law of thermodynamics being a case in point on this forum; the arrow of time pointing only in one direction; that large bodies in space will always be spherical. So I would say that science IS a search for truth; though very often it’s a search for the best explanation, sometimes it is about an absolute truth.

Joseph Murphy
Reply to  The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
May 12, 2015 8:22 am

Jim, I don’t think your interpretation is correct (and I agree we may be arguing semantics here). The laws of physics are only true because we have not observed them to be false. There is no objective truth the laws are adhering to. As Feynman would say, mother nature can do what she wants. It is a strict interpretation but also a necessary one, IMO. When you get lose with these things then how do we know where to draw the line? That the laws of physics are true is a safe (and useful!) assumption as long as you are aware you are making an assumption.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
Reply to  The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
May 12, 2015 9:59 am

Yes, I know what you’re saying, but isn’t it like saying, “We’re not sure 2+2 always equals 4, because no one has ever done the sum over and over.”? I know scientists are loathed to say that anything is ‘true’, but if the laws of physics are the same all over the Universe, then I think it’s safe to say it. Does that make sense (I’m not a scientist)?

Duster
Reply to  The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
May 12, 2015 11:00 am

Ghost, the Law of Gravity has its problems, which is why the dark matter hypothesis was floated to begin with, and also why the alternative of Modified Newtonian Dynamics was advanced. Laws in science are not “truths” in the philosophical sense. In fact, in symbolic logic, an argument can be “true” even if the premises are all false. Science really has to do with understanding the external world well enough to know what to expect. At scales far smaller and far larger than human scales the action of scientific “laws” becomes equivocal.

Louis LeBlanc
Reply to  The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
May 12, 2015 1:30 pm

Duster’s comment is something I have been trying to explain to folks for years. Well put!

Joseph Murphy
Reply to  The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
May 12, 2015 3:25 pm

Duster is spot on. A useful lesson I learned was in a phi of sci class where the professor asked the class what the purpose of science was. Everyone answered on que along the lines of understanding, knowing why etc. etc. The prof came back and said, science is only about improving your ability to predict, everything beyond that is faith.
Different laws of physics is actually not a very foreign subject in today’s quantum mechanics. Separate universes with alternate laws of physics is a common idea that string theorist love to throw around in shock jock fashion. Which reminds me of another important lesson I learned, the mathematicians can do anything but mother nature is picky.

Tucci78
Reply to  The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
May 12, 2015 7:20 pm

At 2:48 pm on 12 May, Galane speculated:

There’s more likely than not a supermassive rocky planet out there with an insanely fast rotation. It would be discus shaped, assuming its tensile strength and gravity could hold it together. Whether or not it’s populated with centipedelike, methane breathing sapients

I frequently encountered Harry Stubbs (“Hal Clement”) at East Coast science fiction conventions during the last decades of the 20th Century, when he commonly led panel discussions and seminars on the techniques of “world-building,” the process of speculatively devising “…environments very different from our own. In general, the story is designed to display the features of that environment.” [Stephen Baxter, SFWA, 1995].
Planetary astronomy has been a big deal in “hard” SF since…well,
forever. For this reason (among others), it’s been difficult to peddle the alarmists’ allegations about how anthropogenic carbon dioxide could – by way of the “greenhouse gas” effect – cause any significant (or even measurable) effect on the Earth’s climate among the hard speculative fiction aficionados.

Since the academic budgets of a great number of people depend on the continued Global Warming Consensus, there is a conflict of emotions among the climate scientists. It will be interesting to see how that plays out. We’ll have a longer discussion shortly, but my conclusions haven’t changed: we don’t have a climate model reliable enough to bet trillions on. We know the Earth has been both warmer and colder in historical times, and the earlier climate shifts are unlikely to have been caused by human influence. Clearly human activities can affect climates – we all grew up learning that the desertification of much of North Africa was due to goats, and we know that some local climates are determined by human activities in the region – but human activity is unlikely to have caused the Viking period warming, the great cooling after 1300, the Little Ice Age, and such; and the warming beginning in 1800 or so is very unlikely to have been caused by human activities. Until the Believers stop denying the existence of the Viking Warm, the Roman Warm, and the Little Ice Age, we aren’t going to learn much from those models.

Jerry Pournelle
(17 September 2013)

RoHa
Reply to  Alx
May 12, 2015 6:22 pm

“Science is not a search for “truth”, that’s for philosophers, theologians and politicians”
As a philosopher, I have to say I’m a bit miffed at being lumped in with those other frauds.
Theologians are only interested in the “right kind” of truth, and politicians don’t even understand the concept.

Reply to  RoHa
May 12, 2015 6:49 pm

In the English vernacular and in the literature of global warming climatology “science” is polysemic. Thus, when used in making an argument, “science” must be disambiguated.

Petter Tuvnes
May 12, 2015 3:58 am

The best evidence that the climate scare is unsubstantiated ever presented.
How will Watts and Spencer react to Truth No 15 and 16?
The plant nutritionCO2 makes the world GREEN, and increase plant end food production. Coal energy should be the ultimate choice for “greens”.

May 12, 2015 4:06 am

“There is no need of heat (from DWIR) to “warm the surface” because its temperature is a consequence of the gravitation and of the mass of the air,”
Correct, I’ve been pointing that out for ages.
“The surface cools mostly by evaporation (order of magnitude 100 W/m²), by convection (20 to 30 /m²) ”
Not quite.
Downward convection beneath high pressure cells (half the atmosphere at any given moment) warms the surface by inhibiting convection and increasing transparency by dissipating clouds ( a greenhouse roof is transparent and prevents convection). That is the true greenhouse effect which makes the Earth’s surface 33K warmer than the S-B figure of 255K.

Reply to  Stephen Wilde
May 13, 2015 1:23 am

See later in the article about the absurdity of 33K Greenhouse claim.
Apart from that, happy to see another person acknowledging the role of gravity and mass in determining temperature.

May 12, 2015 4:09 am

Phew, going to take some time to get through all of that.

May 12, 2015 4:12 am

“The latitudinal limits between those climates are shifting northward or southward according to cycles as seen on figure 21-B for the USA [74] ; this may explain the fear, expressed in the 1970s in many periodical and books, of an imminent glaciation; that fear faded after the reversal of the PDO (Pacific Decadal Oscillation) in 1977. [75]”
I’ve been saying that since 2007. The latitudinal shifting is the negative system response to ANY forcing whether from GHGs or otherwise but in reality mostly from solar and oceanic variability with that from CO2 not measurable.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
May 12, 2015 3:16 pm

Galane
Define what you think the tilt of the earth’s axis is, and how much that tilt is changing over the course of a year, a decade, and a century.

Joe Bastardi
May 12, 2015 4:12 am

This is a must read

Eliza
May 12, 2015 4:13 am

Please do not move this posting “main” for a few days at least. It needs to be read by thousands if possible.

jipebe29
Reply to  Eliza
May 12, 2015 5:36 am

Thanks for your support, Eliza
Jean-Pierre

Jeff B.
May 12, 2015 4:16 am

But, but Al Gore flew in on his Gulfstream and gave a really scary talk. And I saw Obama on Jimmy Fallon and he was hipster cool. So none of this can be true.

Paul
Reply to  Jeff B.
May 12, 2015 4:54 am

Sadly, that pretty much sums it up. I work with a few young and fairly talented mechanical engineers, and they absolutely refuse to even look at anything skeptical?

Reply to  Paul
May 12, 2015 5:51 am

Tell them that they are not professional engineers if they have no practical experience and prove basic engineering technology. Get them to read the chapter on radiation heat transfer (by Prof Hoyt Hottel) in Marks Mechanical Engineering Handbook. If they can understand it, they will realise that AGW is just a political scam based on made up hypotheses which are wrong and even lies.

Paul
Reply to  Paul
May 12, 2015 6:16 am

Thanks cementafriend, I’ve tried a few attempts with facts, it’s now just a taboo lunch topic.
The stumbling block with calling AGW “just a political scam” is the scope of involvement, it’s world wide. And the duration of the “scam”. And the underlying motivations for each group of participants, scientists, media, activists, politicians, etc. All must have have different objective, no?. Even I find it hard to believe they’re all complicit. How did they all align so well, flocking behavior?

Reply to  Paul
May 12, 2015 7:16 am

Exactly my thought.
Unfortunately, the believers do not and will not read this or anything else that contradicts what they have chosen to believe.
They seem to be the most closed minded and mentally inflexible crowd of people I have ever encountered.
And the low information types could not be bothered and could not understand in any case.
It is going yo be a very tough slog.
I believe elections are the best hope in the short term. Medium term, years of cooling will dissolve any serious regard for CAGW among the informed, and long term, the warmista high priests will have their names enshrined in the language, as being synonymous with fraud, chicanery, duplicity, prevarication…etc.

Reply to  Paul
May 12, 2015 11:12 am

Using magical ‘black box’ sophisticated engineering software tends to encourage faith in magical ‘black box’ sophisticated climate modelling software, I guess. Bring back sliderules and drafting tables!

Reply to  Paul
May 12, 2015 11:38 am

They can’t be very talented if they are not investigating to honestly understand what is happening. Does their salary depend on their viewpoint?
A talented engineer should question and challenge everything and everyone. (Same for parents raising kids..)

MarkW
Reply to  Paul
May 12, 2015 11:46 am

Even those who wouldn’t normally be considered “low information types” have fallen for the scam.
They have been convinced that only stupid people, and or conservatives don’t believe in AGW, and since they are desperate to be seen as a member of the kool kids, they wouldn’t dare say or do anything that might get anyone to think they don’t also believe.

Darrin
Reply to  Paul
May 12, 2015 12:05 pm

My brother in law has a PhD in chemistry and whole heartedly believes in AGW. Is it because he’s looked at the evidence? No, he just whole heartedly believes in the peer review system and the IPCC…He also believes non scientist have no clue what they are talking about so won’t listen to anyone who isn’t. Every scientist he knows is in agreement on AGW so it’s happening as far as he’s concerned. He will admit none of them have spent any more time than he has looking at the evidence.
Might as well go talk to a brick wall about AGW than him. FYI, he now avoids the topic by walking out of the room any time it is brought up in a family discussion.

Tucci78
Reply to  Darrin
May 12, 2015 8:00 pm

At 12:05 PM on 12 May, Darrin writes:

My brother in law has a PhD in chemistry and whole heartedly believes in AGW. Is it because he’s looked at the evidence? No, he just whole heartedly believes in the peer review system and the IPCC…He also believes non scientist have no clue what they are talking about so won’t listen to anyone who isn’t. Every scientist he knows is in agreement on AGW so it’s happening as far as he’s concerned. He will admit none of them have spent any more time than he has looking at the evidence.
Might as well go talk to a brick wall about AGW than him. FYI, he now avoids the topic by walking out of the room any time it is brought up in a family discussion.

Confirmation bias. Extreme. Physicist Jeffery D. Kooistra discussed something along these lines in his science column “Lessons From the Lab” in the November 2009 edition of Analog (in which he discussed the preliminary report of Mr. Watts’ Surface Stations project):

I have long wondered why most of my fellow physicists haven’t been as skeptical of global warming alarmism as I have been. I think one reason, perhaps even more important than their politics affecting their judgment, is that they naturally assume other scientists are as careful in how they obtain data as physicists are. I’ve been a global warming skeptic for some time now, and it didn’t even occur to me that most of the time the thermometers would be “sited next to a lamp.” What’s really ironic is that, if someone claims to see a flying saucer, which hurts no one and costs nothing, debunkers come out in force. But let a former vice-president claim environmental apocalypse is upon us, and suddenly we’re appropriating billions and changing our lifestyles.
Cripes.

Your brother-in-law may be making a similar assumption, to the effect that the “consensus quacks” are adherent to the ethical and methodological standards governing scientific investigation.
They’re not, and the Climategate information confirms this.
Facing that fact is hitting your brother-in-law with cognitive dissonance he may not be able to overcome.

Joe Civis
Reply to  Paul
May 12, 2015 1:50 pm

Hi Paul, as mechanical engineer I am saddened that any mechanical engineer would so easily forget the courses they took in thermodynamics…. Seems it is true that progressivism is a mental disease.
Cheers,
Joe

RoHa
Reply to  Paul
May 12, 2015 6:24 pm

“Bring back sliderules and drafting tables!”
My Dad used those. When he designed a building, it damn well stayed up!

Brute
Reply to  Paul
May 12, 2015 8:40 pm


There are all kinds of stupid.
In fact, when appraising intellectual capacity, I often find myself as struck by the stupidity of the intelligent as marveled by the intelligence of the stupid.

Tucci78
May 12, 2015 4:20 am

Conclusion:
The growing divergence between models and observations even on a global average, and the lack of mathematical foundation to the statement that the fluctuations between runs of the same models and between runs of different models “are noise”
[Monckton, 29 July 2014] forbids their use as justification of economic or political decisions.

An excellent and necessary summary of the science – the hard science as opposed to the political “science” – pertinent to global climate change.

There are so many sub-issues to discuss in the context of climate change, it’s hard to have a rational discussion. When issues get artificially complexified like this I like to look for some single game-changing fact: One that puts the whole thing into a context for which the appropriate response is “Ah … sanity at last. Now we know what we’re dealing with”. I have found three such facts, all of which weigh against your professed “conversion”. Have you really considered them?
The first, I’m happy to report, is one you appear to be familiar with: CO2 is very good for the environment, in practically every way, up to levels far beyond any reasonable participant in this discussion is predicting. You can find enormous amounts of supporting data for this over at co2science.org . Did you know this, though: Most plants’ photosynthesis shuts down altogether around 200 PPM (yes there are exceptions for which lower levels are tolerable). If you compare the pre-industrial CO2 levels to the global levels during earth’s history on a geological timescale, as plants evolved, you will find it hard to escape the impression that, at around 280 PPM CO2, for the last few thousand years the world has teetered on the brink of ecological disaster, in which much of the biosphere was close to shutting down out of starvation from this essential nutrient.
From this perspective, the anthropogenic influx of CO2 into the environment in the last 100 years has been a boon and may have averted a looming catastrophe. Those who study food production, for example, see our “Carbon Footprint” as a very good thing, and it’s signal is quite evident in the increase in agricultural productivity over the latter part of the 20th Century. It is hard to find a downside to this, which is what is so amazing about the global AGW movement; the unbelievably dogmatic adherence to the notion that CO2 is some environmental toxin and that the 0.6 C warming that, at the highest reasonable estimates can be attributed to CO2 over that period somehow means CO2 is, on balance, harmful.
My second game changer is the ice core data (it has many facets — temperature proxies, CO2 correlation, etc etc, all worth looking at). It is fully analyzed and largely noncontroversial. And it is publicly available. Check out both the Greenland and the South polar data for a complete story. Let us start any conversation about climate change with this data. Here’s a lovely presentation that makes all the necessary points, posted ages ago at wattsupwiththat.com : http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/09/hockey-stick-observed-in-noaa-ice-core-data/ . If you don’t want their spin … fine, just look at the graphs, which are taken straight from NOAA data. Make sure you understand what each one is showing, and how each is related to the one before it. Then come back and tell me that you still think the current warming trend is something to get worked up about. Nothing like reality to kill a lovely scary story. Sorry to do so just as we’re getting ready for Halloween.
The third is less widely known but should be front-and-center: It is well-known among people who study such things that, human civilization has seen several warm periods and several cold periods all within the span of recorded history and the archeological record timeframe, so we have a pretty good understanding of what each kind of climate change bodes for mankind.
Long story short, history is unequivocal on the matter: Warm periods, on balance, are VERY good for civilization (fewer wars, less extreme weather, better crops, lower frequency of plagues, more stability to cultures, advancements in civic and technological sophistication etc.). And cold periods, on balance, are very BAD for civilization (the opposite of the above parenthetic comment).

R. Cragen (3 October 2012)

May 12, 2015 4:32 am

I have sent this to Amber Rudd, the new Secretary of State for Energy here in the UK. I hope she reads it but I’m not holding my breath!

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Charlie Wardale
May 12, 2015 6:08 am

Well done, Charlie! My MP is also about to get a copy.

jipebe29
Reply to  Charlie Wardale
May 12, 2015 6:21 am

Good idea, Charlie.
But I have some doubts about the ability of the politicians to understand other voices than the IPCC claims…
I have sent to all of our representatives a very very light version about AGW, and another about energy. Not a single response….Awful

Reply to  Charlie Wardale
May 12, 2015 11:15 am

But if you’re not holding your breath you’re contributing to the CO2 problem! Oh noes!

jipebe29
Reply to  PiperPaul
May 13, 2015 4:59 pm

No, he will feed plants and trees…

RH
Reply to  Charlie Wardale
May 12, 2015 11:39 am

I guess politicians in the UK must be more honest than here in the US. Here, the CAGW meme is simply a means to advance an agenda, the actual facts don’t matter. That’s why all of the solutions to global warming also just happen to be in line with Marxist philosophy.

Scarface
May 12, 2015 4:35 am

Let this be a top post for the rest of the year!

cerescokid
Reply to  Scarface
May 12, 2015 10:06 am

I second that. And third it. Maybe not a year but having it on top will generate more comments which can be just as valuable as the post. I hope all with Apples will bookmark this for rereading and redigesting multiple times. Great stuff.

Schrodinger's Cat
May 12, 2015 5:01 am

Great post, lots of ideas to debate, plenty of references and all presented as a convenient reference document.

rgbatduke
May 12, 2015 5:06 am

I would pick bones with several points in the list given, but the most prominent bone is that there is some good reason in the data to doubt that the Greenhouse effect per se is operational. This is for two reasons. One is that the physics of the GHE is pretty sound. The second is this:
http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/Toft-CO2-PDO.jpg
It is simply not factually correct to state that there is some sort of disagreement between the simple predictions of the Greenhouse model and observation over the last 165 years, unless and until you successfully impugn the data itself, e.g. HadCRUT4 in this figure. There are reasons to impugn the data, mind you, but taking the data at face value the fit to the log of the CO_2 concentration is impressive even without adding a single 67 year period sinusoidal with an amplitude of around 0.1 C.
With the sinusoidal, the “pause” is arguably “explained”, or would be if we had a prayer of explaining the sinusoidal itself, but we don’t at this time. The curve clearly indicates, for example, that the temperature increase in the first half of the 20th century was not independent of CO_2 concentration, it was partly driven by it — about a third of the overall increase was due to CO_2 and the rest from the rising half-cycle of the sinusoid. Similarly around 0.3 C of the late 20th century rise was from CO_2 (according to this model) and the remaining 0.2-3 C was from the sinusoid rising half-cycle.
The greatest sin of the modelers (aside from asserting that the hodge-podge of nonsense produced by super-averaging the divergent results from many broken chaotic models together and calling it a “projection” that should be taken seriously since calling it a prediction is too laughable even for the IPCC to stomach) is to choose the worst possible reference period to normalize/fit their model parameters, and to seriously overestimate the contributions of both aerosols and water vapor in opposite directions to increase the relative sensitivity of CO_2 in the result. Normalizing across the rising half-cycle of an unexplained periodic fluctuation is about as dumb as it gets in model building.
Now, is this model unique? Of course not. The authors demonstrate an alternative model up above, for example, involving the sum of three sinusoids. One can fit the data a literally infinite number of ways. The difference between the two is [that] my model directly fits known physics initially, and has excellent explanatory power without using a sinusoid at all in an effectively one-parameter fit across the entire range of the data. Throw in the sinusoid and the model fit is as perfect as a 4+1 parameter model could ever be expected to be, far better than the 9+1 parameter three-sinusoid model displayed above. The raw log fit is not, I repeat not, making an elephant wiggle its trunk, but the three sinusoid fit has the elephant tap dancing in a tutu.
There are other sins, but I have to teach in a very few minutes and have no time to go into them. Overall, though, many of their observations are apropos, but it weakens their fundamental proposition to make incorrect assertions about the GHE itself. (BTW, my 1+1 parameter model does not contain a lag and its general success plus the observations of substantial fluctuations around the mean it predicts suggest that the Earth is never substantively in radiative imbalance with some sort of serious lag. The relaxation time is almost certainly much smaller than the timescale of the secular change, order of (IMO) five years or less for surface temperatures as suggested by the short-period spectrum and regression time.)

VikingExplorer
Reply to  rgbatduke
May 12, 2015 8:44 am

One is that the physics of the GHE is pretty sound

Actually, even Judith Curry has moved away from cartoon like and pseudo scientific explanations like “back radiation” (please note that anyone in their right mind knows that everything with a temperature radiates.)
Ref: http://judithcurry.com/2010/12/02/best-of-the-greenhouse/
Please pay attention to the excellent summary of Curry and the explanations of Maxwell and Nullius.
If you don’t have time to read all that, here are the best parts:

But almost universally, when they try to explain it, they all use the purely radiative approach, which is incorrect, misleading, contrary to observation, and results in a variety of inconsistencies when people try to plug real atmospheric physics into a bad model

Well said. This is what many of us have been saying for years, and got ridiculed for it.

The G&T paper in particular got led down the garden path by picking up several ‘popular’ explanations of the greenhouse effect and pursuing them ad absurdam.

IOW, G&T were not wrong on the science. They were correct in analyzing the kind of “popular” explanations that several people here are also asserting. They were not claiming that actual reality violates the 2nd law, and claiming they did is sneaky way to criticize them anyways.
As Nullias says:

Back radiation exists, … but it does not control the surface temperature/blockquote>

commieBob
Reply to  VikingExplorer
May 12, 2015 10:51 am

Thanks for the excellent Curry link.
Point #16 of the 22 points above says:

The trace-gases cannot “heat the surface“, according to the second principle of thermodynamics which prohibits heat transfer from a cooler body to a warmer body.

Anybody who is misled by the quote above should read and re-read the Curry post until they “get it”. Back radiation exists. Most of the time it isn’t particularly important. Sometimes it is:

I should mention for completeness that there are a couple of complications. One is that if convection stops, as happens on windless nights, and during the polar winters, you can get a temperature inversion and the back radiation can once again become important.

It is misleading to say that a cooler object cannot warm a warmer object. What does happen is that the cooler object can cause the warmer object to lose heat less quickly. As a result the warmer object will be warmer that it would be if the cooler object were not present. The net heat exchange is always from the warmer object to the cooler object. That’s true …. as far as it goes …
The formula that describes radiation from a warm object (the Earth) immersed in a cooler medium (the atmosphere) is:

Qradiation = S·A·( Ts4 – Ta4 )
http://help.solidworks.com/2012/English/SolidWorks/cworks/Stefan-Boltzmann_Law.htm

Where:

Qradiation is the energy radiated by the warm object
S is the Stefan-Boltzmann constant
A is the surface area of the warm object
Ts is the absolute temperature of the warm object (the Earth)
Ta is the absolute temperature of the surrounding medium (ambient temperature of the atmosphere)

This isn’t scientific speculation, it’s engineering.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  VikingExplorer
May 12, 2015 11:07 am

VikingExplorer,

please note that anyone in their right mind knows that everything with a temperature radiates.

Anyone in their right mind also knows that radiation is absorbed by everything as a function of its own material properties and angle of incidence, not the temperature of the emitting body.

commieBob
Reply to  VikingExplorer
May 12, 2015 11:26 am

Darn formulas didn’t work. (<sup> and <sub> tags were ignored)

where:

S is the Stefan-Boltzmann constant
A is the surface area of the warm object
is the absolute temperature of the warm object (the Earth)
is the absolute temperature of the surrounding medium (ambient temperature of the atmosphere)

commieBob
Reply to  VikingExplorer
May 12, 2015 11:38 am

AARGH! Apparently <img src=”http://latex.codecogs.com/svg.latex?\large T_a” border=”0″/> doesn’t work either.
Does anyone know how to make formulas work on this blog?

rgbatduke
Reply to  VikingExplorer
May 13, 2015 4:53 am

Dear CommieBob (odd name, BTW:-):
$ latex P = \sigma \epsilon A (T_h^4 – T_c^4)$
if you remove the leading space between the $ and the word latex, produces:
P = \sigma \epsilon A (T_h^4 - T_c^4)
which is, indeed, the Stefan-Boltzmann formula for net power radiatively transferred to/from a hot reservoir at temperature T_h to a cold reservoir at temperature T_c across a vacuum between to facing plates of area A and emissivity \epsilon. It accounts for both the forward emission from the hotter plate and the back radiation from the cold plate.
In reply to people above who want to argue that the GHE isn’t real, or can’t work on the basis of a “trace gas”, or because the air above is colder than the surface below — all I can say is “piffle”. The GHE isn’t only a radiative effect and while one can easily build toy problems to demonstrate that any sort of interpolated absorber/emitter layer at all between the hot and cold plate will slow the rate of heat transmission away from the hot plate and hence “warm” it relative to what its temperature would be without the interpolated layer, in the atmosphere it is a mix of ALR, radiation and absorption by CO_2, transfer of the energy to and from the bulk non-trace atmosphere, vertical and lateral convection, and the variation of pressure broadening with height. That doesn’t stop this “trace gas” from being able to cause warming, and the curve I generate above is hardly evidence against the GHE being precisely what physics predicts it to be, a general increase in mean temperature with the log of the CO_2 concentration. This is, after all, a very slow variation — each doubling of CO_2 produces a fixed increment of mean warming.
Outside of this baseline behavior, the atmosphere may well experience natural variation far larger than this, and feedbacks within the highly nonlinear atmosphere/ocean climate system may cancel, augment, or overwhelm in either direction this baseline effect. The Earth has experienced an ice age with CO_2 10 to 15 times higher than it is today in its comparatively recent geological past, and has experienced several such ice ages with CO_2 2 to 3 times higher than it is today within the last two hundred million years.
It never ceases to amaze me that scientists on both sides claim to be certain that they know exactly how all of this stuff works and that their pronouncements concerning whether we will experience runaway warming or start the next glacial episode are correct. This is the most difficult problem in physics, AFAIK, that humans have ever attempted to solve, one far, far beyond our ability to reliably compute. And yet everybody claims to solve it in their heads! “Trace gases cannot heat the Earth’s surface by a radiative GHE and we’re going to start the next glacial episode as the solar minimum starts.” “Doubling CO_2 will cause a temperature increase of 5 to 6 C and melt the ice caps with water vapor feedback.” These are both equally stupid pronouncements. Nobody knows whether either one of of these statements is true (well, we are pretty sure that trace gases can heat the surface via the GHE, but we we don’t know and cannot reliably compute more than an estimate for the magnitude of the effect, somewhere in the ballpark of 1 to 2 C, likely around 1.5C per doubling, and we are clueless about the feedbacks and natural variation).
The whole point of climate models is that while simple ones, like the one I plot, seem to work but ignore a lot of stuff that ought to be important, complicated ones that try to take the important stuff into account don’t work at all. We cannot solve this problem at this time, and need to stop pretending that we can. But the debate is not well served by “denying” that the GHE itself is real, or by making absurd and obviously incorrect statements about trace gases not being able to help the Earth maintain its surface temperature well above its greybody value, or make irrelevant statements about “cold being unable to heat hot” (which is not what happens) or simply incorrect statements about the first or second law of thermodynamics somehow being violated by the GHE (which is absolutely trivial to demonstrate as purely false and silly besides, by doing a (gasp) actual computation of the entropy changes).
rgb
[Thank you for your time and effort replying here . .mod]

VikingExplorer
Reply to  VikingExplorer
May 13, 2015 6:57 am

It is misleading to say that a cooler object cannot warm a warmer object. What does happen is that the cooler object can cause the warmer object to lose heat less quickly. As a result the warmer object will be warmer that it would be if the cooler object were not present.

You’re correct to say that a (warmer than usual) cooler object will cause the hot object to lose heat less quickly. The key point is the word “Quickly”. It’s a temporal effect. At some point during the day, the air temperature will be warmer than it would have been, without the extra GHG. So, looking at the area under the curve of the temperature profile for a single day, it’s greater with more GHG. So, technically, GHG did cause a warmer environment. However, the time affected would probably be some small fraction of the day, somewhere between dusk and midnight.

VikingExplorer
Reply to  VikingExplorer
May 13, 2015 7:02 am

radiation is absorbed by everything … not the temperature of the emitting body.

You misunderstand completely. It’s not the emitting body that matters. It’s the receiving body. Look at it this way, if a soccer ball is traveling toward the goal. A player tries to get to the ball to accelerate it towards the goal. However, the player is traveling slower than the ball, and can’t catch up. What you are saying, in effect, is that slow players can catch up to fast soccer balls to accelerate them.
Is it theoretically possible for a stray photon from a colder object to be absorbed by a warmer object? Yes. However, to claim that on average energy can flow from a lower energy state to a higher energy state would violate Gibb’s law. If you believe that energy does flow uphill, you have created your own imaginary world, contrary to all known science.

VikingExplorer
Reply to  VikingExplorer
May 13, 2015 9:20 am

commieBob,
You seem to have very selectively read the posting by Judith Curry. You say “Anybody who is misled by the quote above should read and re-read the Curry post until they “get it”. Back radiation exists”. First of all, no one has said that back radiation doesn’t exist, so that’s a tired straw man. Everything with a temperature is radiating. You need to re-read that article and try to understand the point that a micro effect cannot violate the macro science.
Thermodynamics is literally the science of temperature. There are many micro effects at the molecular level that may or may not happen. Thermo is a probabilistic summary of all those effects. If you were to take a course in thermo, you would be doing problems to calculate the temperatures of various components as functions of time. This is done by writing a system of differential equations that involve delta temperatures and thermal conductivities.
You say “[SB] isn’t scientific speculation, it’s engineering”. You’re right that under certain circumstances, that equation is valid. However, your mistake is thinking that SB replaces all of Thermo. Radiation is just one of many micro effects that are summarized into the science of thermodynamics.
Take a course in thermodynamics (or look at a syllabus), and you’ll see that SB isn’t part of it. SB is normally taught in Astronomy courses, not in Thermodynamics. SB deals with “effective temperature” vs. “thermodynamic temperature”.
In the thermosphere and below, as implied by the name, thermodynamics rule, and micro radiative effects are minor and irrelevant to the solution. Above the thermosphere, radiative effects dominate.
As Judith Curry says:

the purely radiative approach, which is incorrect, misleading, contrary to observation, and results in a variety of inconsistencies when people try to plug real atmospheric physics into a bad model

Reply to  VikingExplorer
May 13, 2015 9:47 am

The back radiation exists but is misnamed. The proper technical term is “vector irradiance.”

commieBob
Reply to  VikingExplorer
May 13, 2015 11:19 am

VikingExplorer

Take a course in thermodynamics (or look at a syllabus), and you’ll see that SB isn’t part of it. SB is normally taught in Astronomy courses, not in Thermodynamics. SB deals with “effective temperature” vs. “thermodynamic temperature”.

Actually, a quick google produces undergrad thermodynamics courses which do cover SB. The formula which I tried to reproduce describes net energy transferred by radiation.
This thread is in the post “22 Inconvenient Climate Truths”. Point number 16 is:

The trace-gases cannot “heat the surface“, according to the second principle of thermodynamics which prohibits heat transfer from a cooler body to a warmer body.

Although it is true that net heat will not transfer from a cooler body to a warmer body (absent a heat pump), the statement is at least misleading. It’s usually used to argue against the GHG theory. As at least one other poster has pointed out, including it in the 22 Inconvenient Truths is a real credibility killer.
rgbatduke – Thanks for the help with latex. re. the name: I really like public education. Also, given the choice between dealing with the government or dealing with an HMO, the choice is really easy.

But the debate is not well served by “denying” that the GHE itself is real, or by making absurd and obviously incorrect statements about trace gases not being able to help the Earth maintain its surface temperature well above its greybody value, or make irrelevant statements about “cold being unable to heat hot” (which is not what happens) or simply incorrect statements about the first or second law of thermodynamics somehow being violated by the GHE (which is absolutely trivial to demonstrate as purely false and silly besides, by doing a (gasp) actual computation of the entropy changes).

Amen.

VikingExplorer
Reply to  VikingExplorer
May 13, 2015 12:15 pm

Although it is true that net heat will not transfer from a cooler body to a warmer body (absent a heat pump), the statement is at least misleading

Thermodynamics is all about NET heat transfer. In fact, Heat has NET built into it’s definition. Therefore, it’s redundant to say “net heat transfer”, and the statement is not only not misleading, it’s literally true. It would be quite misleading to claim trace gasses can directly heat the surface.
That’s the idea that G&T thoroughly falsified. However, this was quite annoying to the likes of Dr. Curry, because apparently, she never believed in that “popular” simple-minded explanation. The mainstream of GHE community thinking (of which she is a pillar) hold that the thickening of the atmosphere will reduce the effective radiating temperature of the TOA.
To explain this better to lay people, imagine if there is a person shining a bright flashlight or laser out of a window in a house. A person outside would have to shield his eyes. However, imagine if the clear window was replaced with an opaque window. Now, the person outside can tell that there is a light from the inside, but no longer needs to shield his eyes.
The mainstream of GHE community then believes that since there is less energy escaping, it will somehow result in the earth eventually warming up “to restore radiative balance”. I’m also skeptical of this idea, but at least it’s a reasonable position to take. It’s a view that honest people can disagree about.
To claim that trace gases can heat the surface is like saying the opaque window will make the flash light brighter.
However, some people around here have not gotten the memo, and are still arguing for the pseudo science idea that a cold component can heat a warmer component. This would imply that energy can run up hill, which is an idea recently demolished by G&T, and by many of the most famous scientists from the last 150 years.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  VikingExplorer
May 14, 2015 8:26 pm

VikingExplorer,

However, some people around here have not gotten the memo, and are still arguing for the pseudo science idea that a cold component can heat a warmer component.

Let me spell it out for you: the Sun heats the surface.

VikingExplorer
Reply to  VikingExplorer
May 15, 2015 6:26 am

Let me spell it out for you: the Sun heats the surface

Exactly, and the surface temperature is limited by several things. The biggest factor is the rate of Heat flowing laterally in the surface. The thermal conductivity of the surface is much larger than air (ground-dry: 15x, ground-moist: 63x, rock: 90x – 318x, water: 26x). The hot spot caused by high noon moves along at a 1000 mph. The lateral Heat flows are like a short circuit compared to surface-air Heating.
Once the hot spot has moved on, the delta T between surface and air causes Heat flow. The difference in thermal mass between the surface and the air right above the surface means that the air is the thermodynamic slave of the surface. It’s always in near equilibrium. A bigger delta T opens up between surface air and higher air and Heating occurs.
However, if we now thicken the atmosphere with GHGs, it increases the temperature of the atmosphere. This of course does NOT Heat the surface, but it does reduce the delta T between the surface and the air. The surface is cooled down slower. During that slower cool down period (after dusk), the surface is warmer than it would have been. This warmer surface would cause a higher delta-T with lateral surface material that is further away from the hot spot. The daily high temps and daily lows are not affected.
The bottom line is that although the GHE is theoretically plausible in the abstract, it is most likely negligible when the whole thermodynamic system is considered. As Nullius in Verba says:

If an increase in back radiation tried to exceed this temperature gradient near the surface, convection would simply increase until the constant gradient was achieved again. Back radiation exists, and is very large compared to other heat flows, but it does not control the surface temperature.
http://judithcurry.com/2010/12/02/best-of-the-greenhouse/

As I explained on CA many years ago: Imagine a house with R12 insulation in the walls, the heater on full blast, with all doors and windows wide open. How do we warm up the house on a cold, windy winter night?
AGW believer: Switch to R13 insulation.
Skeptic: Close the doors and windows.

MarkW
Reply to  rgbatduke
May 12, 2015 11:56 am

According the thermodynamics, all bodies emit radiation in accordance with their temperature. The hotter they are, the more they radiate.
What they are radiating [towards] is of no importance and doesn’t show up anywhere in the equations.
Image a scenario where a single object at 500K is sitting alone in the universe, background radiation at 0K.
The object has an constant, internal energy source sufficient to keep that object at 500K for as long as the experiment runs.
Now lets place a second object near the first object. This object is at 100K and has an energy source sufficient to keep it at that temperature.
Both objects radiate energy. For both of them, some of that energy hits the other object.
The 500K object has the energy from it’s internal source, plus it is now getting some energy from the 100K object. The result will be that the 500K object will now warm up enough so that the amount of energy it radiates will balance the energy from it’s internal source, plus the amount being received from the cooler object.
Lo and behold, the cooler object has warmed the hotter object, and at no time have any of the laws of thermodynamics been violated.

Reply to  MarkW
May 12, 2015 1:25 pm

MarkW,
A cooler object cannot warm a hotter object. Not even in the universe you describe.

Editor
Reply to  MarkW
May 12, 2015 2:25 pm

It is a common mistake to think that GHG theory requires a cooler object (the troposphere) to heat a warmer object (the surface). It doesn’t. The surface receives its heat from the sun. There is always a net transfer of heat from surface to troposphere. GHG theory addresses variation in that net transfer of heat.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
May 12, 2015 3:29 pm

dbstealy: That would be true, if the objects are touching. However if the objects are radiating at each other, then yes, a cooler object can warm a hotter one, by the mechanism I just described.

Ian Macdonald
Reply to  MarkW
May 12, 2015 11:33 pm

“A cooler object cannot warm a hotter object.” Laser diodes would seem to be the disproof of that notion. Otherwise, how can a chip with a Tmax of 150C ignite a match, or burn a ‘pit’ in a CD? (or ruin your eye by overheating the retina if you are not careful with it!)
I suppose the answer there is that the radiation source is not thermal in nature. But then, neither is the radiation source producing CO2 emissions.

rgbatduke
Reply to  MarkW
May 13, 2015 5:02 am

Yes, a perfect example, but you will never convince people that cannot actually do the math. I’m a bit surprised at dbstealy, though. He should know better. db, the cooler object does not “heat up” the warmer one — if you read the problem statement, it has an internal heat source producing heat at a fixed rate. The only question is what its surface temperature is going to be when this open system reaches dynamic equilibrium where the heat it radiates away balances the power produced by the heat source. This is not “thermal equilibrium” of the entire object.
The colder object simply acts as an additional source of power for this first object, and the dynamic equilibrium temperature of the first object has to increase to balance its total power input. The net transfer of power is still from the warmer body to the cooler one, and entropy of the system still increases, and no laws of thermodynamics are harmed by this example. You, I am certain from your many other posts, are capable of doing the math. Do it, because with all due respect, you are dead wrong here.
rgb

VikingExplorer
Reply to  MarkW
May 13, 2015 7:06 am

Lo and behold, the cooler object has warmed the hotter object, and at no time have any of the laws of thermodynamics been violated

That’s true, no laws of thermo were violated, because Thermo is a macro view of how molecules act. Without molecules, thermo doesn’t apply.
It’s just like Ohm’s law, which describes the behavior of millions of molecules. With only a single molecule, Ohm’s law doesn’t apply. Saying that the behavior of single molecule does or doesn’t violate Ohm’s law isn’t saying much at all.
The point is that Earth does have enough molecules for the 2nd law of thermo to apply. In this case, thickening the atmosphere (adding thermodynamic mass) will reduce the delta T between land/sea and surface air. This will not cause the land/sea temperature to increase steady state. It will change the temperature gradient to be shallower at lower altitudes, and steeper at higher altitudes.

VikingExplorer
Reply to  MarkW
May 13, 2015 2:52 pm

According the thermodynamics, all bodies emit radiation in accordance with their temperature. The hotter they are, the more they radiate.

It’s a nitpick, but as an EE, I’m finding it hard not to clarify. It should say:
According to electromagnetics, all atoms with a temperature emit radiation.
Explanation: An electron creates an electric field E. A moving electron creates a magnetic field B. All magnetic fields are caused by moving electrons.
These are vector fields that are 90 degrees to each other. In yet another example of fine tuning, the laws of electromagnetism are such that under certain circumstances, they are self propagating, meaning that a changing electric field causes a changing magnetic field which causes a changing electric field, etc. (Let there be light)
An atom with a temperature is vibrating with kinetic energy. This vibration is also reflected in the electrons orbiting the nucleus. Thus, a vibrating electron is a moving electron which creates a magnetic field. The faster the vibration (i.e. kinetic energy, i.e. temperature), the higher the frequency of the EM field.
Thermodynamics is a completely different subject.

Reply to  rgbatduke
May 12, 2015 1:41 pm

I have real life experience where a thin veil of high cirrus, which I am fairly certain are colder than the ground, led to an almost immediate and quite welcome warming of the ground temp, during radiation cooling events here in Florida.
These are generally the nights that lead to frozen citrus, damaged plant nurseries and trees farms, strawberry farmers getting wiped out, etc.
As a person who’s entire livelihood has been wrapped up in the value of one crop or another at various times, I k now how to obese and record what is happening and why.
On nearly windless nights, when the sky is clear and humidity is low, the temperature will drop to the dew point which, if that dew point is below freezing, will lead to bad and/or expensive things happening and absolutely zero sleep being had for thousands of growers.
The temp will drop very rapidly after sunset, but as the ground air temperature gets lower, the rate of cooling will slow. One reason is that the RH is going up I suppose, but another (main reason) is due to heat flux from the ground. These events are usually short term things, one or several nights, and frequently are preceded by a period of above level warmth. For these and other reasons, such as that it is very sunny when the sky is clear ;P) the ground is almost always fairly warm.
The flux of heat from the ground, however, cannot keep up with radiation cooling if the sky is clear. But under trees the temperature is several degrees warmer than out in the open. Around paved surfaces or stone structures the air stays warmer, and objects are also warmed by radiation from these. I have had the very dramatic experience of having expensive trays of seedlings be completely destroyed, while other ones a few feet away were undamaged because they were under a tree or sitting on a concrete block or slab. Sometimes right next to each other, on bare ground…dead…on concrete, unharmed.
So anyway, there have been times (numerous) where me and my various partners and friends and associates were taking turns walking outside to monitor the thermometers, and had a sudden reversal of cooling due to high clouds drifting overhead. And I am not talking about a degree or two…more like five or more, and it did not take long…minutes at the most, for the clouds to somehow allow the ground temp to rise.
I am not a radiation physicist, but I can tell you that this is a very real, observable and oft repeated process.
Make of it what you will. I would be very happy to get a thousand opinions on this.
Or even just one.

Reply to  Menicholas
May 12, 2015 1:43 pm

DANG! Typos!
Should say …I know how to observe and record…

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Menicholas
May 12, 2015 3:11 pm

Menicholas

I have real life experience where a thin veil of high cirrus, which I am fairly certain are colder than the ground, led to an almost immediate and quite welcome warming of the ground temp, during radiation cooling events here in Florida.
These are generally the nights that lead to frozen citrus, damaged plant nurseries and trees farms, strawberry farmers getting wiped out, etc.
As a person who’s entire livelihood has been wrapped up in the value of one crop or another at various times, I k now how to obese and record what is happening and why.
On nearly windless nights, when the sky is clear and humidity is low, the temperature will drop to the dew point which, if that dew point is below freezing, will lead to bad and/or expensive things happening and absolutely zero sleep being had for thousands of growers.

This LW radiation phenomena exits, it is real. I’ve felt it also on clear nights under cold skies. It’s mentioned tens of thousands of times across various “science” web sites – but …
But what is the equation?
Surface temperature = ?
Relative humidity? Or percent cloud clover? High or low cloud percent?
T_sky? Or T_Space? T_Air (2 meter air temperature instead?)
Wind speed?
What are the factors used? I’ve not found the equations for the coefficients – and am not sure why it is not as common in the literature as convection and conduction losses. Sure – Tens of thousands of “perfect black bodies radiating into a perfect black cold space with an infinite visibility factor and no other losses in equilibrium … etc. In other words, just a useless physics-textbook problem of no real world value.
Because physics textbooks and climate models live only in the sterile classroom – and are defeated by nature’s blood on tooth and fang.

BFL
Reply to  rgbatduke
May 12, 2015 1:48 pm

“Throw in the sinusoid and the model fit is as perfect as a 4+1 parameter model could ever be expected to be,”
I notice that your model also doesn’t show the present pause.

rgbatduke
Reply to  BFL
May 13, 2015 5:19 am

The model shows that the present pause is directly correlated with the turnover in the 67 year cycle, and otherwise is well within the five year “normal” variations in the data plus the given confidence intervals in the data itself. But the turnover suggests strongly that the pause has the same “cause” as the related “pause” from the 40’s to the 70’s — the downward half-cycle of the 67 year periodic variation that I have no explanation for.
Note well, BTW, that I’m not actually advancing this as “the” predictive model for the future. I do predictive modelling in high end, high dimensionality problems professionally and am not so stupid as that. I’m merely pointing out that the physical model of greenhouse gas induced warming over the last 165 years is an excellent fit to the data, one that is even better when one adds an purely empirical “natural” variation on top of it.
If you are asserting that it is the CO_2-only model that doesn’t predict the pause, if you look at the data the CO_2 only model doesn’t predict any of the “pauses” or “upswings” but it does a damn good job of interpolating them. The secondary model just shows that those variations are strictly bounded by around 0.1 C on either side of the CO_2 only model, and appear to have a strong fourier component across this admittedly absurdly short interval.
I frankly doubt that this model can be extrapolated into either the past or the future, and the data uncertainties are so large (and almost certainly underestimated and/or systematically biased in HadCRUT4) that the sensitivity could easily be either larger or smaller than the best fit observed here — if you like, I get a TCS of around 1.8 C plus or minus maybe a whole degree. If the pause continues for another decade, it might pull the best fit down to 1.4 C per doubling, for example, and still produce a pretty good fit but with larger “natural” excursions due to physics and phenomena the model obviously does not include.
What it is not is evidence against the assertion that CO_2 increases warm the mean planetary temperature. Nor does it in any way justify the assertion that a 20 year pause means that the greenhouse effect itself is incorrect or nonexistent. It is silly to make these assertions — that just because temperature hasn’t gone up for 20 years, the GHE itself doesn’t exist and is “wrong”. What the GHE isn’t is alone. It isn’t the only thing going on. It may not even be the most important thing going on.
But hey, I can’t solve the set of coupled Navier-Stokes equations on this oblate spheroidal tipped spinning ocean covered inhomogeneous surfaced ball as it eccentrically orbits its rather variable star in my head either, so I can’t refute any assertions you care to make with perfect certainty about what “the pause” means or doesn’t mean, especially when they aren’t accompanied by even as much math as I provide in either the physics based or semi-heuristic models above.
rgb

Mark
Reply to  rgbatduke
May 12, 2015 2:02 pm

I’m sorry but to say your your empirical model fit uses “known physics” is plain BS. There is no “known” physics for the multiple arbitrary constants you use. Of course with the number of degrees of freedom you have introduced the fit looks good but to show an extrapolation of the fit is absurd and not a mistake I would expect of an undergraduate.

rgbatduke
Reply to  Mark
May 13, 2015 5:29 am

The number of degrees of freedom? Are you daft, man? I have two parameters, one of which is the arbitrary zero of a temperature anomaly! The climate sensitivity is predicted by physics to be in the ballpark of 1 to 2 C — usually around 1.5 C in line by line computations. I get a best fit of 1.8 C! That is totally within the expected error in any sense of the term.
And I don’t assert that the extrapolation is predictive, because I’m not an undergraduate, I do professional predictive modeling with highly advanced tools I built/invented myself. And this is not the product of the use of those tools, and I’d hesitate to assert that they are capable of fitting a chaotic system like the Earth’s climate. It’s a hard problem! But it is surely sufficient to show that any assertion that there is no reason to think that the GHE is real is false, and it clearly demonstrates the absurdity of claiming that “the pause” refutes it because CO_2 has gone up but the temperature hasn’t. There are obviously other sources of variation of at least 0.1 C amplitude — I invent an heuristic fit to them!
The point is that I do better than the authors of the article at the top with far fewer parameters and actual physics at fitting the exact same data. R is very, very happy with my fit(s). As I said, I’m not fitting an elephant, but they are fitting an elephant and making it wiggle its trunk and dance a jig. That doesn’t make me right and them wrong, but there is no reason at all to think that their fit is meaningful, with a complete lack of explanation for any of the sinusoidal terms. At least I can justify — hell, derive — the form I’m fitting and numerically compute an estimate for its magnitude, as is done in many places in the literature.
rgb

Reply to  rgbatduke
May 12, 2015 2:27 pm

HadCRU’s pack of lies cannot and should not be used as “data”. Before anything at all can be said about the history of “surface station” (including under the surface of the sea) observations over the period of its coverage, the whole corrupt, anti-scientific, unverifiable charade will have to be tossed. A reliable, transparent record needs to be made from scratch by disinterested scientists and statisticians. HadCRU and GISS are useless, any, worse than worthless for any purpose but to get their perpetrators continued funding.
GISS especially needs to be shut down or at least taken out of the climate business.

Reply to  sturgishooper
May 12, 2015 2:29 pm

After “useless”, please read “nay”.

Reply to  sturgishooper
May 12, 2015 2:42 pm

Agree.
100%

Reply to  sturgishooper
May 12, 2015 3:28 pm

As IMO would anyone who has seen how the GASTA “data” set sausages are made, information which had to be dragged kicking, screaming and holding onto furniture out of the gatekeepers’ grasp via FOIA, public shame and humiliation and congressional action. That’s for instance how the people found out that the previously secret Algore-ithm to adjust for the UHI effect actually made the observations hotter rather than colder.

Reply to  sturgishooper
May 12, 2015 5:29 pm

Galane,
That is why I called for transparency. Each adjustment should be justified openly. Some are needed, but usually just as a one-off, as for instance for the switch to electronic thermometers. But HadCRU and GISS keep going back and cooling the more distant past while warming the more recent past and present, totally without justification, and warming the oceans so as not to be out of whack with the unwarranted, “man-made” warming of the land station “record”.

rgbatduke
Reply to  sturgishooper
May 13, 2015 5:31 am

I’m not arguing with this. I have my own bones to pick with them. But still, that’s the name of the game, unless you want to confine yourself to a 30 to 50 year stretch of modern data, and you still have the issue of how it was averaged and kriged.
rgb

Reply to  sturgishooper
May 13, 2015 9:05 pm

rgbatduke
May 13, 2015 at 5:31 am
Which is why IMO the world needs a clean slate attack on the problem of acceptable surface records since at least 1850. This might mean offering separate land and sea records, since the observations would have been acquired so differently. Maybe include the best oceanic island records in the land station average, but how to adjust for that?
You’re also right that the satellite data have problems, too. But I feel their adjustments have been less for advocacy and more for justifiable technical reasons. I regard them as data rather than political make-believe.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
May 12, 2015 5:17 am

I’m surprised at the lack of another point: that lower stratospheric temperatures have NOT cooled in 20 years. Lower stratospheric cooling is a sure sign of surface warming (so we were led to believe), and it did cool…up until 1995, but nothing since. I am always surprised that nothing more is made of this point. When I used to argue on the old BBC forums about climate change, I was continually reminded (by warmists) that the lower stratosphere was cooling. Well, now it isn’t. 2013 data (last available) actually shows a small increase in temp!comment image?itok=e3kGJ5sc
I would appreciate others’ comments on this.

fritz
Reply to  The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
May 12, 2015 5:30 am

Of course , you are right , that shows that GHE is a reallity and that it doesn’t contradict the second principle of thermodynamics

Reply to  The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
May 12, 2015 6:32 am

This is RSS’s take on lower stratosperic temperatures (scroll down to the relevant section). It is your call on what the slope is. http://www.remss.com/research/climate
Dan Sage

Reply to  Dan Sage
May 12, 2015 7:09 am

(stratosperic should be stratospheric) There is also a more detailed plot on the WUWT Sea Ice page from RSS a little ways before the data changes from the Arctic to the Antarctic.
Dan Sage

Reply to  Dan Sage
May 12, 2015 7:17 am

Disregard my second comment, it is for the lower troposphere. My Bad!!!
Dan Sage

Phil.
Reply to  The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
May 12, 2015 9:32 am

Stratospheric cooling due to CO2 is predominantly in the upper stratosphere, in the lower it’s due to O3. See Clough and Iacona. Upper Stratosphere continues to cool see RSS.

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
Reply to  Phil.
May 12, 2015 10:50 am

Not according to this, it doesn’t.comment image?itok=e3kGJ5sc
I wouldn’t call that ‘cooling’ since 1995!

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley
Reply to  Phil.
May 12, 2015 10:55 am

Phil, I have it that cooling due to CO2 takes place in the LOWER stratosphere.
http://www.wunderground.com/resources/climate/strato_cooling.asp

Phil.
Reply to  Phil.
May 12, 2015 3:39 pm

Then I suggest you read your source again because it quite clearly says lower strat cooling due to O3 and upper strat cooling due to CO2, just like I said!

fritz
May 12, 2015 5:22 am

I Wonder what will be the reaction of Roy Spencer to inconvenient truth number 3 ?

Juan Slayton
Reply to  fritz
May 12, 2015 6:20 am

Why don’t you go over to http://www.drroyspencer.com/ and ask him?

Phil.
Reply to  fritz
May 14, 2015 3:36 am
Camille
Reply to  Phil.
May 15, 2015 8:29 am

comment for Fritz 5:22 am, and Phil 3:36 am
Please read carefully the texts of n°, 4 and 17
As explained below figure 4-C, the roughly constant lifetime of CO2 molecules in the air is: stock / (yearly absorption) which has been more or less constant since 1960.
The derivation if as follows: there are four datasets : (1) and (2) anthropic emissions and their time varying delta13C, (3) CO2 content of the air (since 1958) and (4) its delta13C (since about 1977 with some measurements before)
The CO2 content of the air is made of an anthropic part (about 6% now, much less in 1958) and of a natural part (94% now, 98.4% in 1958); the delta13C of the natural part is slowly shifting from the -6.5 pm of the little ice age (from corals and other proxies) to about -7 pm; is it this shift in the natural part that constrains the lifetime: non realistic values are obtained for too short and too long lifetimes.
This stock / (yearly absorption) analysis avoids all the pitfalls of the assumed equilibrium between absorption and out-gassing that is postulated by all the compartment models with constant inputs and outputs that lead to a set of linear equation and by Laplace transform to expressions like the Bern or Hamburg formulas; there is no equilibrium because as said more CO2 implies more green plants eating more and so on ; the references in note 19 show even James Hansen and Francey (figure 17 F) admits (now) that their carbon cycle is wrong !
Instead of 57% please read 37% on truth n°2 ( numbers of Gt-C are reminded on page 8)

MikeB
May 12, 2015 5:23 am

This is Sky Dragon stuff. It would be more appropriate on Principia Scientific. Of course, it has obvious appeal to those who don’t understand it.
It’s a pity in way, because there are some good points but, when I read “Trace-gases cannot “heat the surface“, according to the second principle of thermodynamics”, I know I am reading rubbish.
There is no point picking it apart. Anyone from a scientific background knows they are reading rubbish after a few lines and, if you don’t, no amount of explanation is going to help.
But it’s not a total loss, the comments by Poitou & Bréon are worth something . On the other hand, this is the sort of pseudo-science that gives all sceptics a bad name.

Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 6:10 am

Mike B: I have to agree that this is Sky Dragon stuff. I stopped reading when I saw the “gases aren’t grey bodies”. I’m also saddened that Nick Stokes was modded. Much as I disagree with him, he is generally not trollish, so I don’t see any benefit other than giving the impression that contrary opinions are not welcome.
(Reply: The moderator who removed Nick Stokes’ comment was not following Anthony’s Rules For Moderators. We all make an occasional error. -mod.)

Brandon Gates
Reply to  John Eggert
May 12, 2015 11:11 am

mod,

(Reply: The moderator who removed Nick Stokes’ comment was not following Anthony’s Rules For Moderators. We all make an occasional error. -mod.)

I’d think the proper thing to do then is to restore Nick’s comments in full.
[Reply: Sorry, but when a comment is deleted it is gone forever, unless the moderator has saved it somewhere. That mod was notified, so there probably won’t be a repeat. ~mod.]

MikeB
Reply to  John Eggert
May 12, 2015 11:52 am

Although I am a sceptic, Nick Stokes brings knowledge, insight. And this is how we sceptics learn to improve our arguments. I don’t know what he said, because it was untimely removed, but I suspect it was more sensible than the original article.
[he chose only the datasets that represented the viewpoint he wanted -mod]

MikeB
Reply to  John Eggert
May 12, 2015 11:58 am

I forgot to add, I am an absolute believer in free speech, I hate to see it suppressed, it diminishes us all. I find the following very moving. I would only hope to aspire too it.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  John Eggert
May 12, 2015 1:15 pm

“he chose only the datasets that represented the viewpoint he wanted -mod”
My now removed comment said:

“The Mean Global Temperature has been stable since 1997”
Falls at the start. The trend of Mean Global Surface Temperature Anomaly since Jan 1997 was:
HADCRUT 4: 0.725 °C/century
GISS : 0.915 °C/Century
NOAA: 0.678 °C/Century

I listed, as said, all the major surface data sets. It was the guest author, saying baldly
“The Mean Global Temperature has been stable since 1997”
who was highly selective with datasets, not even mentioning that he was referring to the lower troposphere rather than surface. I just pointed out there was other data.

Mark
Reply to  John Eggert
May 12, 2015 2:13 pm

Are you saying you think a gas emits radiation as a grey body? Read a textbook FFS

Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 6:28 am

Mike and John,
I don’t think the article is “Sky Dragon stuff”. Just about every separate point has been thoroughly discussed here for many years. There may be a few disagreements from some readers among the 22 points discussed, but almost everything in this article has withstood scrutiny. Over all, it effectively refutes the ‘dangerous man-made global warming’ conjecture that underlies all climate alarmism.
Mike B says “there is no point in picking it apart”, and that it’s “pseudo-science”. Please ‘pick apart’ anything you consider to be “pseudo-science”. It’s always best to cut and paste the words you’re responding to. For example, trace gases retain warmth in a particular layer of the atmosphere, but the authors are correct in saying that trace gases are not “heating” the surface.
This is a good, comprehensive article that refutes the basic claims of the IPCC and most government-employed scientists, all in one place. It shoud start a good discussion in order to see whatever points withstand scrutiny. Only those points that remain standing after all the smoke clears should be accepted as the current state of climate knowledge. That is how the scientific method works.
But based on past experience, responses if any will consist of pot-shots from the peanut gallery, and/or a wholesale dismissal as ‘denialist nonsense’. Science and the public would benefit from a thorough discussion of each point made by the authors. But since an honest and comprehensive debate would most likely result in a public rejection of the ‘dangerous man-made global warming’ conjecture, then as usual there won’t be any real debate.
This is an excellent article, IMHO. I personally don’t disagree with much if any of it. Many skeptics of ‘dangerous MMGW’ have discussed each point in detail for many years here. It’s good to see it all put together like this in annotated bullet points.

Editor
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 2:47 pm

dbstealey – here I’m very much in agreement with you : Science and the public would benefit from a thorough discussion of each point made by the authors. But I groan at some of the points, since I am convinced that they are badly wrong. The thermodynamic law infringement, the source of increased CO2, the CO2 molecule lifetime argument, and the ‘saturation’ argument, for example. But some points being wrong does not automatically invalidate all the other points. They are largely independent and each should be treated on its own merits. There is enough valid argument in the article to demolish CAGW many times over.

rgbatduke
Reply to  dbstealey
May 14, 2015 11:06 am

The catastrophic anthropogenic (i.e. man-made) global warming (CAGW) hypothesis has four components.
1.
The observed recent rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration is caused by anthropogenic emissions of CO2.
2.
The observed recent rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration will cause the global temperature to rise.
3.
Feedbacks in the climate system are net positive and will increase the rise in temperature to levels whereby the elevated temperature will have costly effects.
4.
The costs of adapting to the effects of the rising temperatures would be more than each of the costs of (a) eliminating the anthropogenic CO2 emissions and (b) the effects of the rising temperatures.
If any one of the four components is refuted then the entire CAGW hypothesis is refuted.
There are reasons to dispute each of the four components. Importantly, the so-called ‘pause’ refutes that either or both of the components listed as 2 and 3 can be correct.

1) is almost certainly true. The arithmetic works out. The assertion that it is not true above is almost certainly false.
2) is almost certainly true, and in no way does the pause refute it. As I repeatedly point out this is a hard problem. We do not know, nor do we have any theory capable of even estimating, the range of natural variation of the climate on multidecadal timescales. We cannot hindcast or even retroactively understand the global temperature record over the last 1000, 10000, 100000, or 1000000 years, and the best we can say is that CO_2 almost certainly contributed some unknown amount of the warming of the last 100 years, but the range on the “unknown amount” is uncertain by almost the amount itself. It is a difficult multivariable problem. Just as it is a mistake for warmists to assert that all warming we observe is due to CO_2 with irrelevant fluctuations around it, it is a mistake for skeptics to assert that just because there is a pause, that increasing CO_2 is not slowly increasing net solar forcing. The simple fact of the matter is that geologically, the climate is capable of average temperature variation at least the same order as not only that expected from the observed forcing but much greater than the (so far) observed forcing, on similar timescales. One of the biggest and most unsupportable assertions of the SPM of the various ARs is the bit where they — invariably — claim that over half of the observed warming is due to the increase in CO_2 “with high confidence”.
Piffle. In order to have any confidence at all, one requires a predictive theory with statistical skill sufficient to make the assignment of confidence meaningful in an objective and defensible way. There is no such predictive theory, and such “theory” as there is in the form of models too coarse grained to have a prayer of working has the opposite of predictive skill. But it is piffle both ways! Of course CO_2 driven forcing could be increasing and yet we could have a 20+ year “pause”. It could be that natural variation takes a century to overcome, or that nature is trying hard to make the planet plunge into a glacial episode but is being blocked by CO_2! Since we cannot predict what the global average temperature would be without CO_2, we cannot tell what fraction of the current global average temperature is due to CO_2, especially not with the shotgun blast of results produced by each model in CMIP5 independently.
3) If one takes the straight-up CO_2-only expected warming and applies it to e.g. HadCRUT4 taken at face value as being an accurate representation of the average surface temperature — that is, if one completely ignores all other possible contributions to the physical variation of temperature — one gets agreement within the mutual error bars in the data and the predicted climate sensitivity. Therefore we have zero evidence for forcing feedback either way. It could be positive but not yet be resolved. It could be negative. It could be overwhelmed by dynamics in neglected degrees of freedom either way. The proper answer to 3) is “we don’t know what the feedback is, but the evidence at face value suggests it is very small either way”, but it is absurdly early days still as far as reliable data accrual is concerned.
4) is still a conditional problem. IF temperatures rise by 5 C, as claimed by Hansen on days when he thinks nobody capable of judging the scientific merit of the claim is looking, then it might well be more expensive to do nothing than to try to mitigate. IF temperatures rise by < 2 C, as appears centrally likely based on current re-estimates of climate sensitivity using improved analysis of aerosols and taking into account the pause and the general lack of tropospheric warming, then it is more likely to be more expensive to mitigate. However, either way it is probably wisest to do nothing expensive yet to fix the problem, because we simply don’t have the technology yet to fix it without pissing away vast sums of money at a huge cost now in human misery. We should be investing in the science and technology needed to fix or live with 2 C of warming, and spending a lot, lot less on study after study of the conditional effects of absurdly unlikely 5 C warming.
In the meantime, to date the additional CO_2 has been overwhelmingly beneficial, and is directly responsible for feeding roughly 1 billion people today that would otherwise be starving or else living in a radically different world. It has been produced creating more wealth and health and general prosperity than the world has ever seen. We might have chosen to deliberately raise the CO_2 to 400+ ppm if we knew 100 years ago what we know today. So regardless of the long term problem, the short term benefits of continuing to burn coal for energy are literally incalculable, and the amortized benefits over the next century, plus interest, are a tough bundle to beat.
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MikeB
Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 7:09 am

dbStealey
Yes, it would indeed be very nice to have a sensible debate. But to do so constructively requires some knowledge of accepted scientific facts on both sides, otherwise the conversation descends into a slanging match which amounts to no more than gainsaying what the other person said (to borrow from Monty Python) and, if you can’t see that (some of) this is absolute tosh, then that’s likely to happen.
It reminds me of a posting on the Bishop Hill site called “Niceness at Home and Abroad”

Shub Niggurath is bemoaning the lack of venues in which there can be conversations across the lines of the climate debate.
Good discussions used to take place, on occasion, at WUWT or BH. There were brief periods when the old Collide-a-scape blog and Bart Verheggen’s site provided such moments. They are hard to come by now. Maybe the consensus and conspiracy poison spread mindlessly and artlessly throughout the blogs by certain people is to blame.
He’s right of course. I have struggled long and hard to make BH the venue where that can happen, but it seems that a visit from, say Richard or Tamsin is guaranteed to get some people riled, with the result that moderation becomes a full-time occupation. I can’t afford to spend that amount of time on it.

http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2014/12/2/niceness-at-home-and-abroad.html
Now, with respect, I don’t know what you know or what you accept. We could start with ‘Do you accept that the Greenhouse effect is real?’ and ,if the answer is no, then we would need to go right back to basics (conduction through a Planar Wall, perhaps) and neither of us has time for that.

Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 9:03 am

MikeB,
The “basics” can be reduced to the following question:
Is dangerous man-made global warming happening?
Everything else is incidental. The answer to that question can be Yes or No.
If Yes, then action is required, within the constraints of cost/benefit analysis.
If the answer is No, then no more public monies should be wasted on a non-problem.

MikeB
Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 11:11 am

“Is dangerous man-made global warming happening?”
I don’t think so, but that wasn’t the question.
You avoided answering the question. This is what happens, talking past each other. That is not a debate, it is arguing.
By the way, basics are not ‘reduced’ to anything; basics are the starting point.

richardscourtney
Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 11:54 am

dbstealey
I write to support and to expand on your point viz.

The “basics” can be reduced to the following question:
Is dangerous man-made global warming happening?
Everything else is incidental. The answer to that question can be Yes or No.
If Yes, then action is required, within the constraints of cost/benefit analysis.
If the answer is No, then no more public monies should be wasted on a non-problem.

The catastrophic anthropogenic (i.e. man-made) global warming (CAGW) hypothesis has four components.
1.
The observed recent rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration is caused by anthropogenic emissions of CO2.
2.
The observed recent rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration will cause the global temperature to rise.
3.
Feedbacks in the climate system are net positive and will increase the rise in temperature to levels whereby the elevated temperature will have costly effects.
4.
The costs of adapting to the effects of the rising temperatures would be more than each of the costs of (a) eliminating the anthropogenic CO2 emissions and (b) the effects of the rising temperatures.
If any one of the four components is refuted then the entire CAGW hypothesis is refuted.
There are reasons to dispute each of the four components. Importantly, the so-called ‘pause’ refutes that either or both of the components listed as 2 and 3 can be correct.

Richard

MarkW
Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 12:01 pm

dbstealey: Any answer of yes or no, unless backed up by science, is nothing more than a naked assertion.
Without the science to back up your answer, your answer is just another piece of noise added to an already to raucous debate.

MarkW
Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 12:05 pm

Richard, you comment about refuting one of the 4 points is valid. But how do you do that?
The only way to do it is by talking about the science.
Therefore science can never be an incidental.

richardscourtney
Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 12:21 pm

MarkW
You say to me

Richard, you comment about refuting one of the 4 points is valid. But how do you do that?
The only way to do it is by talking about the science.
Therefore science can never be an incidental.

I did not say, I did not suggest, and I did not imply that “the science” could be “incidental.
On the contrary, I explained that the “4 points” are the components of the CAGW hypothesis; they ARE “the science”.
And I said

If any one of the four components is refuted then the entire CAGW hypothesis is refuted.
There are reasons to dispute each of the four components. Importantly, the so-called ‘pause’ refutes that either or both of the components listed as 2 and 3 can be correct.

The reason for this is that climate sensitivity derives from “the components listed as 2 and 3”. And ‘the pause’ demonstrates that climate sensitivity is less than 1.5°C for a doubling of CO2.
Please note that this ‘boils down’ to being a ‘No’ answer to dbstealey’s question; i.e.

Is dangerous man-made global warming happening?

Richard

The Great Walrus
Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 12:23 pm

richardscourtney: Your “Four Components” summary of the main factors in the climate debate is excellent — very useful, clear and to the point. It should be sent to all media clowns, political clowns, NOAA clowns, etc.

Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 1:21 pm

Mark W and Mike B,
I think you’re losing sight of the fact that everything being discussed here has its basis in the “dangerous man-made global warming” (MMGW) conjecture.
That conjecture belongs to the climate alarmist crowd. They own that conjecture.
The job of skeptics is to tear down scientific conjectures. All conjectures. In the case of MMGW, skeptics have totally annihilated that conjecture. Destroyed it completely. There may be details, but they are not central to the ‘dangerous MMGW’ conjecture. Measurable MMGW is simply not happening. And CO2 is simply not doing as predicted. In fact, it is a net benefit. More is better, and it is a completely harmless trace gas.
You forget that in science, DATA IS EVERYTHING. Measurements are data. But you have no measurements quantifying MMGW! You say it’s there? Show us.
You keep forgetting that skeptics have nothing to prove. We did not promote a MMGW scare, which has now been thoroughly debunked. Honest scientists will simply admit that their conjecture was wrong, and try to figure out why. Skeptics will certainly try to help, because skeptics and honest scientists want knowledge more than being right about something. But all the alarmist crowd does is argue incessantly.
The whole thing has turned into a political/religious narrative. if it were just science being debated, the discussion would be over long ago. So the ball is in your court. You can’t even produce a measurement quantifying something you want everyone to believe is there, causing a climate catastrophe! That amounts to saying, “Take our word for it that dangerous MMGW exists. Trust us!”
Why should we?

Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 1:31 pm

MikeB,
Sorry. To answer your ”greenhouse’ question, I’ve written many, many times over the years that I think a rise in CO2 will cause a rise in global temperature. I’ve never said anything else.
MarkW wrote:
Any answer of yes or no, unless backed up by science, is nothing more than a naked assertion. Without the science to back up your answer, your answer is just another piece of noise added to an already to raucous debate.
That’s just a deflection. I think you know very well what I was asking. Let me put it this way: do you believe there is dangerous man-made global warming happening right now, that we have to alter Western industrial civilization to correct, by reducing CO2 emissions below 350 ppm? Or can we sit back for a few years, and watch the situation without spending gobs of money on what apparently isn’t a problem?
Pick one. If you can. Or argue about the question. Then we’ll know your answer anyway.

Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 2:12 pm

Well, to toss in two cents from a new voice, I want to say I am baffled by these disagreements concerning backradiation, downwelling, whether these exist, if there is or is not a greenhouse effect, etc.
To me it is a point of consternation to witness people who are all in the skeptic camp going back and forth on these questions, sometimes very heatedly.
At times I have to say that both seem to be very sure of what they are asserting, and both seem to be very knowledgeable.
I sure would like to have some experiment devised to test what the reality is, one way or the other.
I also think that DB’s point about it being somewhat beside the point has much validity, and that what really matters is the measured data.
Because, it seems apparent that questions of this sort are not going to be resolved by rhetorical means. That much must be obvious by now to everyone. There is some underlying and very basic disagreement regarding a seemingly fundamental aspect of physics, and knowledgeable people on either side of the question believe they know they are correct.
So the question can only be truly settled by observations and/or experimentation.
Or does anyone think we are one good yelling match away from getting it ironed out?

Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 2:23 pm

BTW, I wonder if part of the resolution to this matter may be related to quantum effects, spooky action at a distance (recent experiments regarding quantum entanglement appear to prove Einstein was wrong on this question), or related to properties of photons which give rise to some very peculiar optical effects, in which it seems that the photons somehow know where they are going before they get there?
Photons travel at the speed of light, and thus arrive at their destination at the same moment that they leave their source. They do not have to travel back in time to know where they will end up before they get there…to the photon, both events happen at the same time.

Editor
Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 2:57 pm

MarkW and dbstealey, I would like to take up your conversation as I think it has merit.
Do you accept that the Greenhouse effect is real? Yes.
Is dangerous man-made global warming happening? No.
The answers to those two questions are so obvious that it seems unnecessary to provide supporting arguments, but I will do so if requested.
Now, what’s the next question?

MarkW
Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 3:32 pm

Richard, stop being so sensitive.
I did not say that you had claimed science was incidental, that was from dbstealy’s comment that you were replying to.

MarkW
Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 9:10 pm

Richard,
dbstealey commented that all that mattered was the question, is global warming happening? Everything else is incidental.
You replied that you need science to answer the question of whether global warming is happening.
I responded agreeing with you and concluded that science is never “incidental”.

MarkW
Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 9:12 pm

db,
What I believe is meaningless. What I can prove is all that matters. And that takes science.

icouldnthelpit
Reply to  MikeB
May 13, 2015 12:15 am

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richardscourtney
Reply to  MikeB
May 13, 2015 1:38 am

MarkW
Please stick to the issues. Any “sensitivity” is either yours or is in your imagination.
I replied to your saying to me in total

Richard, you comment about refuting one of the 4 points is valid. But how do you do that?
The only way to do it is by talking about the science.
Therefore science can never be an incidental.

I was not being “sensitive”. You implied I had claimed something I did not; i.e science could be “incidental”. I said your implication is wrong, then explained what I did say and both how and why it is supportive of the point made by dbstealey.
Richard

Reply to  MikeB
May 13, 2015 4:13 am

icouldnthelpit,
The two statements are not mutually exclusive. I’d explain, but I really don’t think you would understand. So take an aspirin, lie down, and try to think happy thoughts. These discussions are too complicated for a delicate flower like you.
For other readers, there is a relationship between T/CO2. Each affects the other, as in numerous other examples in the real world (eg: a battery can be both charged and discharged). But there is no measurable evidence found in the temperature record showing that ∆CO2 is the cause of ∆T — while there is extensive empirical evidence showing that ∆T causes ∆CO2.
Thus, the effect of CO2 on temperature is too small to make it the “control knob” of the climate. The minuscule effect of CO2 on T at current concentrations is explained by this chart, which clearly shows why we cannot even measure the change in T from CO2:comment image
And this chart shows that temperature changes cause changes in CO2.
So each affects the other. But the effect of temperature on CO2 is huge, while the effect of CO2 on temperature (at current CO2 concentrations) is too minuscule to even measure.
I recall that comment from 2006 that ‘icouldnthelpit’ searched for and found. The consistency is 100%; I would write the same comment today. Events over the 9 years since then have shown it to be accurate. Nothing whatever has changed during those nine years. There has been no global warming, despite the steady rise in CO2. And the alarmist clique is as wrong today as they were back then.
Anyway, it’s nice to know that ‘icouldnthelpit’ is so fixated on my comments. He is either feverishly combing every past comment he can find, even one 9 years old, or he is saving them in a little ‘dbstealey’ folder. Sort of like a prepubescent girl collects movie star autographs. Everyone likes to have their own personal entourage. Now it turns out that I have one, too! Life is good.
I would advise ‘icouldnthelpit’ to get a job, a girlfriend, and a life. But I can think of likely reasons why he isn’t interested in any of those things.
Keep at it, boy. We both enjoy your fixation.
+++++++++++++++++++++
Next, Mike Jonas asks about these questions:
Do you accept that the Greenhouse effect is real? Yes.
Is dangerous man-made global warming happening? No.

My response is in the comment to my entourage above. Yes, according to the theory of radiative physics, CO2 has an effect on temperature. But at current concentrations (≈400 ppm), that effect is too tiny to measure, thus it can be completely disregarded for all practical purposes. There isn’t any verifiable empirical evidence showing the effect. But I think it exists, and that it adds a fraction of a degree of warming — it’s just too small to measure.
But there are plenty of verifiable real world measurements showing the effect of temperature on CO2. Those measurements are on time scales from months, to hundreds of millennia. So ∆T has a large effect on CO2 levels. When someone says, “Look, global temperatures are going up because CO2 is rising!”, they are getting cause and effect confused. It is mostly the rise in T causing the rise in CO2, not vice versa. But each affects the other at all times.
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Finally, ‘menicholas’ says that a photon leaves an atom and is reabsorbed by another atom in the same instant (from the photon’s perspective). That has always seemed to be the case as I see it. Even after traveling over tens of billions of light years, to a photon the trip is instantaneous. That doesn’t have a lot to do with the article. But it’s interesting. The only quibble regards mass. If a photon has any mass at all then it can’t travel at light speed. But photons are said to be massless particles, even though they possess energy. Anyone know how that works?
This was a very good article, in that it generated a lot of discussion, and it taught the author how real peer review works — and basically it once again falsified the ‘dangerous man-made global warming’ conjecture. With some re-writing to address the legitimate points raised by various commenters, the author has a winner, IMHO. Most of his points were accurate, and needed to be said.

icouldnthelpit
Reply to  MikeB
May 13, 2015 4:26 am

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icouldnthelpit
Reply to  MikeB
May 13, 2015 5:24 am

(Another very long, but ultimately wasted effort by a banned sockpuppet. Comment DELETED. -mod)

Reply to  MikeB
May 13, 2015 5:35 am

icouldnthelpit says:
Your refusal to explain yourself doesn’t surprise me.
Your inability to understand my detailed explanations amuses me. Oh how I laughed when you tried to say I was a Dragon Slayer. But I don’t want to lose my entourage of one, so I’ll keep my snickering at you to a minimum.
You ask:
The thing that bothers me about people who think that CO2 has never influenced Temperature is how do they then explain how we exited snowball Earth conditions?
Don’t let it bother you that you can’t understand. Some folks are simply not capable of following detailed explanations. The rest of us know that rises in CO2 are not the reason the planet emerges from the great stadials. We may be uncertain of the exact reasons. But we are sure that rising CO2 is not the cause. That nonsense is thoroughly refuted in the geologic record: your ‘snowball earth’ claim that CO2 causes ice ages to end is flatly contradicted by a mountain of evidence.
As a member of the MMGW religious cult you will believe any factoid that confirms your bias, and no contrary evidence can penetrate your catechism. But I don’t mind. Since you’re my entourage of one and I can’t spare you, you get a free pass on your religious climate beliefs.
Now please just go back to what you do best: bird-dogging my comments like a good member of my entourage, and leave the thinking to the adults here. If you think too much, your head might explode. Then where would I get my amusement? I would have to find a new jester. This site has lots of very intelligent commenters, so that might be a little difficult.

bob boder
Reply to  MikeB
May 13, 2015 1:28 pm

Icouldntunderstandit
Funny how the earth enters the snow ball cllimate without a decrease in co2 levels?

Reply to  MikeB
May 13, 2015 1:41 pm

Icouldnthelpit,
You need to get up to date on the cap carbonates you cite:
http://www.livescience.com/16402-snowball-earth-carbon-dioxide.html
Whatever ended the last Snowball or Slushball Earth episode, it wasn’t CO2. Rather than the previously assumed 90,000 ppm, CO2 then was at most 3200 ppm and possibly as low as now.

Reply to  MikeB
May 13, 2015 8:54 pm

DB,
I doubt I could tell you anything you do not know re physics (Found out in college I was not one for basement labs or rooms full of blackboards, which ended my long-time plan to be a nuclear physicist 🙂 ), but just in case, and for anyone else:
According to the Standard Model, photons are gauge bosons, which means that they are force carriers. They mediate the electromagnetic force between charged particles.
Beyond that, best to just read up on quantum electrodynamics. (As opposed to quantum chromodynamics, which describes the interactions of particles such as quarks which interact via the Strong Force)
I do not believe, though, that you will find a particularly satisfying answer to the question of how photons carry energy but have no mass. But they have no mass.
Gauge invariance is supposed to be the reason,
But the point I was making is a subtle one, and my quantum brain spends about half the time somewhere else. Sooner or later I will figure out a way to describe what I am thinking bout but do not know how to put in words. I was hoping if I threw the ball out there, someone would pick it up and run with it.

icouldnthelpit
Reply to  MikeB
May 15, 2015 2:20 am

Sturgishooper. Did you actually read your link?

Nylo
Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 9:59 am

That was exactly what I thought, and why I stopped reading at that point.

MikeB
Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 12:39 pm

[[he chose only the datasets that represented the viewpoint he wanted -mod]
Hey , doesn’t everone?

jipebe29
May 12, 2015 5:29 am

Hi everybody,
You can find a PDF version of the document here (with a Word version):
http://dropcanvas.com/#ag6ZqpKa3Y0X14
Jean-Pierre Bardinet

David A
Reply to  jipebe29
May 12, 2015 7:48 am

Thank you. I have a question for you if you would consider it in my comment below here..http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/12/22-very-inconvenient-climate-truths/#comment-1932180

May 12, 2015 5:31 am

Could / should have been a series of posts. This is dauntingly long.

jipebe29
Reply to  Michael Palmer
May 12, 2015 5:57 am

Here you can find a Word version of the document: http://dropcanvas.com/#ag6ZqpKa3Y0X14
I hope that will help you.
Jean-Pierre

Reply to  jipebe29
May 12, 2015 6:52 am

Thank you!

zemlik
Reply to  jipebe29
May 12, 2015 8:02 am

why_do_people_put_spaces_in_file_names_?

Reply to  jipebe29
May 12, 2015 9:06 am

zemlik,
It makes doing a keyword search more effective. But I agree it’s cumbersome. The same thing can be accomplished with commas, or a slash.

Reply to  jipebe29
May 12, 2015 12:30 pm

%20‘ is in fact the space character. It is often represented that way to
avoid problems with systems that regard a real space character as an invalid
character.

Mumble, mumble %+2+0 is three characters as opposed to _ being only one character…filename limitations 255 characters…[PiperPaul’s thoughts trail off into confusion and faded memories. As usual.]

katana00
Reply to  Michael Palmer
May 12, 2015 6:06 am

I disagree. This is the best one-stop summary of the case to oppose AGW. The fact that such a relatively concise post eviscerate the AGW position indicates how weak the alarmist position is.

jipebe29
Reply to  katana00
May 12, 2015 6:09 am

I agree, katana00
Jean-Pierre

Leonard Weinstein
May 12, 2015 5:33 am

While I agree with much of the blog, there are some problems with part of it. I will only address one point, but it is a major one. The authors make a statement that shows that they do not understand the basis of the atmospheric effect called the atmospheric greenhouse effect, which is a real effect. They claim that the atmospheric absorbing gases that radiate cannot heat the surface since they are cooler than the surface, due to the 2nd law of thermodynamics. I have written extensively on that point and agree they cannot transfer heat (which is the NET energy transfer) to the surface. However the atmosphere does transfer energy to the surface. However, this results in a net decrease in radiation from the surface, which causes the average altitude of radiation to space to increase, and at higher altitude, the air would be colder due to the lapse rate. If the atmosphere did not change, the outgoing radiation would be less than incoming. This unbalance results in the entire atmosphere warming until the outgoing again matches incoming solar radiation, and this results in the surface temperature increasing. This is effectively an insulation like effect, but more complex.

Reply to  Leonard Weinstein
May 12, 2015 6:04 am

Rubbish! Occams Razor for you:
“The main features of the atmosphere both on Earth and on Venus are easily deduced from the basic polytropic equations of the ideal gases.”

Leonard Weinstein
Reply to  wickedwenchfan
May 12, 2015 3:56 pm

wickedwenchfan, the basic polytropic equations of the ideal gas result in a temperature GRADIENT, not level of temperature. Somewhere along the gradient (the surface if all outgoing energy directly radiated to space, or the AVERAGE altitude of outgoing to incoming energy balance for a real atmosphere), an absolute temperature has to be determined to give the rest of the slope actual temperatures. The defined average altitude is not a real location, due to the mix of energy transport within the real atmosphere, but if all contributions at all altitudes are known on average, an effective average altitude can be determined by integrating the pieces, and this can be used to calculate the temperature needed from that altitude to balance incoming and outgoing energy. This specific value of temperature and the lapse rate and altitude give the effective surface average temperature. This approximation is artificial, but does a good approximation of a very complex process.

Reply to  wickedwenchfan
May 12, 2015 10:51 pm

So you say. And yet as one decends into any atmosphere of any planetary body after the atmospheric density surpasss a given point temperature rises with pressure. One can use basic arithmetic to calculate with great accuracy the function of incoming energy combined with atmospheric pressure to determine temperature. It is common practice to use such arithmetic to calculate the temperatures of the Gas giants Jupiter and Saturn, for example at various depths. In this link of a bog standard astronomy website they give Jupiter’s temperature at 20 times Earths atmospheric pressure as 20C, for example:
http://www.universetoday.com/15097/temperature-of-jupiter/
Yet for some reason people persist in saying the surface temperature of Venus, which is closer to the sun and has an atmospheric pressure 96times that of Earth at sea level, is the result of “a runaway Greenhouse Effect”. Poppycock and balderdash sir! Simplify your thinking and aquire some common sense!

Reply to  wickedwenchfan
May 13, 2015 3:10 am

The main problem with the whole proposition of a ‘raised ERL’ mechanism of surface warming is that no planet holding an atmosphere actually emits its heat to space from some particular level or some specified temperature surface. It radiates from the full extent of a dynamic 3D volume, not from some hypothetical, static (rigid) blackbody 2D surface. Hence, there is no radiating level to raise. The whole idea originated and only works on a blackboard.
Earth’s total/final radiant heat flux to space isn’t tied to any one physical temperature at all. It is ONLY tied to the absorbed flux from the Sun. This happens to be 240 W/m^2. Consequently, the outgoing flux needs to be 240 W/m^2 also. And it is. The 255K is simply arrived at by calculating backwards from these measured/estimated fluxes. It is purely a mathematical construct, not a real radiating temperature.

schitzree
Reply to  Leonard Weinstein
May 12, 2015 7:28 am

I agree that point 16 (2nd law of thermodynamics) is a poor one. And it should be a matter 9 common knowledge. A blanket doesn’t need to be warmer then you to keep you warm, It just can’t warm something itself. It’s a change in heat transfer.

Hugh
Reply to  schitzree
May 12, 2015 9:58 am

The point 16 is an insane flamebait and foot-shot.

David A
Reply to  Leonard Weinstein
May 12, 2015 7:46 am

Actually they go into “the average altitude of radiation to space to increase, and at higher altitude, the air would be colder due to the lapse rate. If the atmosphere did not change, the outgoing radiation would be less than incoming…” in fair detail in their response, demonstrating that the do understand, weather you agree with their summary is a different matter, but they specifically address this, and their statement regarding the second law does not appear to differ from yours.
What I am trying to better understand is their contentions regarding the net flow between the atmospheric and the surface. They stipulate that in an isotropic non GHG world, the net would be zero, as the mean conduction flux would equalize, but in our earth it is still nearly zero.
Are they stating that much of the atmospheric heat is due to absorption of insolation from the sun and conducted energy from the surface, vs absorption of LWIR from the surface ? In other words, are they stating that atmospheric absorption of solar insolation, plus conduction from the surface makes the net flow between the surface and atmosphere nearly zero.

Camille
Reply to  David A
May 12, 2015 5:05 pm

“in an isotropic non GHG world, the net would be zero, as the mean conduction flux would equalize, but in our earth it is still nearly zero”
if the atmosphere were isothermal at the same temperature as the surface then exactly the downwelling radiation absorbed by the surface would be equal to the radiation of th surface absorbed by the air (or rather by its trace gases) and both numbers would be (1-2E3(t(nu))) pi B(nu, T) where t(nu) is the optical thickness, B the Planck function, nu the optical frequency and T the temperature; as the flow from the air absorbed by the surface is equal to the flow from the surface absorbed by the air, the radiative heat transfer is zero between surface and air.
In the real world, the water vapour transparency window (8µm to 12 µm) may bring some reduction in the radiation of the air absorbed by the surface with respect to the radiation of the surface absorbed by the air; nevertheless F. Miskolczi a from hundreds of profiles (Tiros Initial Guess Retrieval) shown with line by line calculation that it is still true that the radiation of the air absorbed by the surface equals (more or less) the radiation of the surface absorbed by the air; and clouds “close the window” for a quite significant part or the time.
It is not “conduction” but exchange of radiation; if you keep your hands parallel at a distance of some cm the right hand does not (radiatively) “warm” the left hand or vice versa albeit at 33°C skin temperature they exchange some hundreds of W/m² (about 500 W/m²)
The solar radiation reaching the surface (for 71% of the surface, the oceans) is lost by evaporation (or evapotranspiration of the vegetation), plus some convection (20 W/²) and some radiation reaching the cosmos directly through the window 8µm to 12 µm (about 20 W/m² “global” average ); only the radiative heat flow surface to air (absorbed by the air) is negligible (plus or minus) ; the non radiative (latent heat , sensible heat ) are transferred for surface to air and compensate for a part of the heat lost to the cosmos by the upper layer of the water vapour displayed on figure 6-C
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Reply to  Leonard Weinstein
May 12, 2015 12:44 pm

“Greenhouse Effect” is an unfortunate term, since greenhouse interiors typically have no wind and not all of them use CO2 as a growth assist.

Editor
Reply to  Leonard Weinstein
May 12, 2015 3:13 pm

Leonard Weinstein, I am completely satisfied that your argument re the 2nd law of thermodynamics is correct, and that the article is badly wrong on this point. Also that some other points are wrong at least to some extent. Unfortunately that made it too easy for “I stopped reading at that point” commenters. All points are debatable, and I think it would be very helpful to have a series of debates here, point by point.

Catcracking
Reply to  Leonard Weinstein
May 12, 2015 5:18 pm

Leonard,
Have you ever seen a greenhouse?

Reply to  Catcracking
May 13, 2015 9:45 pm

Ooh, can I answer that?

Reply to  Leonard Weinstein
May 13, 2015 9:26 pm

Can’t some Brainiac 5 devise some actual experiment to measure what we need to know to settle this, and do it in an empirical way, using the real earth and the real atmosphere?
We have the satellite profile of the CO2 distribution, so we can find points on the earth with different CO2 levels, and various amounts of WV at each level of CO2.
And then we can bounce a tunable photonic microwave laser (“maser”? cue the Dr. Evil air quotes) off of that reflector dealio we have up there on the moon, and measure the return signal. Do this for various wavelengths in the relevant parts of the EM spectrum, get some actual numbers, and move the conversation along. Huh?
Or something. Come on all yuz brainiacs, devise an experiment instead of spending your lives arguing, ad nauseum.
Tired, sleepy time now.
Peace.

AllenC
May 12, 2015 5:39 am

This has only ever been about taxing a lifestyle and making a few people very rich (like Al Gore)

meltemian
May 12, 2015 5:41 am

Thank you….this could take some time to take in.
I’m off to a darkened room with a coffee machine!

jipebe29
Reply to  meltemian
May 12, 2015 8:25 am

Take your time, cool!

Village idiot
May 12, 2015 5:47 am

But, Brother Jean-Pierre. You may be very good at what you’re trained at, and what you do for a living – Engineer ENSEM Nancy (National School of Electricity and Mechanics). But why should I believe that you are an expert in Climate Science, while those who are trained and do it for a living are all wrong?
Don’t get me wrong. I’d let you wire a plug for me – but when your supporting references read like a who’s who of you know what, well…,

jipebe29
Reply to  Village idiot
May 12, 2015 8:23 am

The document has been elaborated by myself, an other engineer (Polytechnique) , and a physicist.
Now, the best way is to read the document carefully, without any ideology. The facts, only the facts are important, not the cursus of the authors.

mark
Reply to  Village idiot
May 12, 2015 8:54 am

That is all you got? This is all the warmist got??? Pathetic. Their argument ends at point #1.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  mark
May 12, 2015 11:00 am

mark,

Their argument ends at point #1.

No, that’s where the strawman construction, supported by narrowly selected data, begins.

RH
Reply to  Village idiot
May 12, 2015 11:56 am

As usual, the idiot attacks the source and not the substance.

Reply to  RH
May 12, 2015 12:47 pm

This Idiot post contained specific details, so maybe the bot is broken today.

Village idiot
Reply to  RH
May 12, 2015 12:48 pm

The source is all important

Reply to  RH
May 12, 2015 2:50 pm

“The source is all important”
Believing this to be true means you are immune to actual truth, logic, or reason.

RH
Reply to  RH
May 13, 2015 5:52 am

idiot says: “The source is all important”
Thanks idiot, you have provided valuable insight into the mind of the CAGW zealot.

SkepticGoneWild
Reply to  Village idiot
May 12, 2015 3:11 pm

Idiot,
Why is Michael Mann an expert in climate science, or trees for that matter? Did he have a degree in dendrology? No. How about botany? No. Does he know anything about trees? No. Does he have a degree in atmospheric physics? No. What about James Hansen? He has degrees in physics, astronomy, and mathematics. What makes him an expert in climate science? What about Gavin Schmidt, head of NASA GISS? He has a B.A. and PhD in mathematics. So he’s a climate expert?

Bill Illis
May 12, 2015 5:58 am

This is a Tour de Force.
Everyone should read this carefully and slowly. Real scientific facts that are not available in a climate science textbook.

MikeB
Reply to  Bill Illis
May 12, 2015 6:12 am

I wonder why they are not in any science textbook?

jipebe29
Reply to  MikeB
May 12, 2015 8:26 am

I also wonder … It is a great mystery…

May 12, 2015 6:01 am

“The main features of the atmosphere both on Earth and on Venus are easily deduced from the basic polytropic equations of the ideal gases.”
THANK YOU!!! Please, “Luke Warmers” who run this site take notice!

FTOP
Reply to  wickedwenchfan
May 12, 2015 8:31 am

+10. The only thing more mind numbing than the 33oC charade is the absurd mathematical gyrations and flawed DWLIR experiments used to try and justify it. Every person that has ever flown in a jet plane knows that air pressure and air temperature decreases with altitude, yet they can’t grasp the elegant simplicity of this observational model in explaining the temperature profile from the tropopause to the near surface.
http://www.atoptics.co.uk/highsky/htrop.htm
If AGW climastrology is a religion with CO2 as its god, “luke warmers” are the deists who believe in it, but see its involvement as minimal.

G. Karst
May 12, 2015 6:01 am

If only we could see this published where people (other than the converted) could find and read it. Something must be done wrt MSM refusal to publish alternative research and opposing views. Why must they continue to use Orwell’s “1984” novel as an operating manual?! GK

The other Phil
Reply to  G. Karst
May 12, 2015 8:09 am

Let’s get it cleaned up first, otherwise it will boomerang

rogerknights
Reply to  The other Phil
May 12, 2015 9:01 am

Yes.

May 12, 2015 6:10 am

I thought satellite data was the most accurate there is?
You thought correctly. Now apply the satellite data to global T. You will see that there has been no global warming since at least 2002, and probably not since 1997.
What does that tell you about the IPCC’s CO2=AGW conjecture?

Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 7:54 am

As usual, you once again avoided answering my question. The satellite data that you admit is the most accurate shows no global warming for many years. My question to you was:
What does that tell you about the IPCC’s CO2=AGW conjecture?

Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 8:55 am

Multiple satellite data shows there is no acceleration in sea evel rise:
http://www.aviso.oceanobs.com/fileadmin/images/news/indic/msl/MSL_Serie_ALL_Global_IB_RWT_NoGIA_Adjust.png
Thus, real world data proves that Jean-Pierre Bardinet is right, and your source is wrong.
Now, quit deflecting and answer the question:
What does that tell you about the IPCC’s CO2=AGW conjecture?

Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 9:15 am

Ah. So the same small fluctuations that happened in 1993, 1997, and 2012 are used to argue that sea level is “accelerating”. FAIL.
That claim is just a combination of rent-seeking and desperation.
Now, quit your endless deflecting, and answer the question I’ve repeatedly asked.
You aren’t answering because if you answer honestly, you will be forced to admit that the alarmist CO2=CAGW scare has been debunked. So you keep deflecting.

Bill Illis
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 9:35 am

The satellite sea level trends are at least 2 times too high.
The number of processing algorithms required to turn the satellite data into sea level change is so large that it requires many assumptions to achieve a result. The assumptions chosen reflect what they want it to show, which is a high sea level rise number.
The tide gauges combined with co-located GPS receivers are more accurate (real data) and produces a value around 1.3 to 1.8 mms/year of sea level rise over about 150 sites across the world.

Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 9:54 am

Well, one could point out that the sea level rise before 1990 was a lot slower. See for
examplehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise#/media/File:Trends_in_global_average_absolute_sea_level,_1870-2008_(US_EPA).png

Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 10:06 am

Bill Illis,
Thanks for that comment. It reminded me of the late, great John Daly, whose 1841 sea level mark carved into Tasmanian rock is still visible. There certainly has not been much sea level rise in a century and a half, so any “adjusted” sea level charts must be taken with a big lump of salt.
Real world data flatly contradicts the climate alarmists’ narrative. So each individual must decide for himself whether to believe those whose livelihood, status, and in some cases fame, depends on promoting the man-made global warming scare — or or whether to believe what Planet Earth is telling us.
They cannot both be right.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 11:09 am

Prof. Bunny gets through, but Nick Stokes’ comments vanish without a trace? WTF WUWT?

Brandon Gates
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 11:17 am

Bill Illis,

The number of processing algorithms required to turn the satellite data into sea level change is so large that it requires many assumptions to achieve a result.

Except when satellites are inferring temperature from microwave sounding units, in which case the fixed locations on the surface taking direct measurements with thermometers have had their real data manipulated to achieve a desired result. Never mind that SST measurements, and by extension land/ocean anomaly timeseries, show net cooling adjustments. That’s different.

Bill Illis
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 2:00 pm

Brandon Gates, sea level is 21,700,000.00 mms higher at the equator than at the poles.
And then, do you really think the satellites at a height of 1,330,000,000.00 mms (and vary in orbit by 10,000.00 mms at any one time) can really measure sea level change to the _________3.16 mms per year. Its baloney and wasted money.

Bill Illis
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 2:25 pm

The example of Brest, France is an apt one since it has the designation of #1 on the PMSL international tide gauge tracking system. It is determined to have the longest reliable record of any station.
Sea level rise at Brest +1.06 mms/year since 1807.
http://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/1.php
Co-located GPS station (operating for 18 years now and, hence, provides a very reliable solution, only about 5 years is required) indicates that the Brest station is subsiding by -1.14 mms/year.
http://www.sonel.org/spip.php?page=gps&idStation=642
ie. Zero actual sea level rise.

Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 2:38 pm

“And then, do you really think the satellites at a height of 1,330,000,000.00 mms (and vary in orbit by 10,000.00 mms at any one time) can really measure sea level change to the _________3.16 mms per year.”
And they are not measuring a smooth lake on a windless morning. The ocean almost never smooth and flat and wave-less.
There are ripples on the waves, and multiple motions occurring simultaneously. Getting an average ocean height may be as straightforward as getting an average temperature of the atmosphere.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 6:02 pm

Bill Illis,

… sea level is 21,700,000.00 mms higher at the equator than at the poles.

Measured … how?

And then, do you really think the satellites at a height of 1,330,000,000.00 mms (and vary in orbit by 10,000.00 mms at any one time) can really measure sea level change to the _________3.16 mms per year. Its baloney and wasted money.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378383913000082

The average trends of the 456 and 90 gauge sets (3.26 and 2.68 mm/year, respectively) agree reasonably well with the global trend average of the satellite data (3.09 mm/year). Average trends for the 456 tide gauges are also in good agreement (within 95% confidence limits) with trends based on satellite data within the 1° satellite proximity criterion (3.26 and 3.31 mm/year, respectively).

I think that when the remote sensing method broadly agrees with the in situ instruments that it lends some confidence to both methods, especially since mean sea level is responsive to more than just the amount of water in the oceans at any given time. Church et al. (2008) goes into those dependencies, and does a satellite to tide gauge comparison as well: http://academics.eckerd.edu/instructor/hastindw/MS1410-001_FA08/handouts/2008SLRSustain.pdf

The example of Brest, France is an apt one since it has the designation of #1 on the PMSL international tide gauge tracking system. It is determined to have the longest reliable record of any station.

By both tide gauges and satellite, we know that SLR is not uniform in all locations. I think that arbitrarily cherry-picking the “most reliable” dataset is the hallmark of someone who doesn’t want to believe what 455 other tide gauges + satellites with a greater coverage density are telling him.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 6:13 pm

Menicholas,

And they are not measuring a smooth lake on a windless morning.

Gee, what ever would the world do without you to point out the glaringly obvious?

The ocean almost never smooth and flat and wave-less.

Funny thing about waves — the peaks are offset by troughs. Do you understand the concept of a normal distribution in statistics?
Now, given a long enough fetch, the wind itself does tend to cause water to “pile up” on a lee shore … and there’s no longer fetch in the world than the tropical Pacific. Thing is, we keep track of what the trades are doing in addition to various sea state parameters. Figuring out how those things all come together is not a trivial undertaking, but it’s not at all mysterious or insurmountable to someone with the relevant knowledge and skill set to do it. You know, the sort of folks who really don’t need to be told that oceans are windy with lots of waves.

Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 7:14 pm

“You know, the sort of folks who really don’t need to be told that oceans are windy with lots of waves.”
OK, I am convinced. They are very smart, and it is very easy to do.
So, instead of being incorrect, they must be intentionally lying.
Being the simple minded sort, I do not understand a lot of things.
Like, for example, how a person could be so naively credulous, and buy into so many obvious lies, hook line and sinker.
I will never be smart enough to understand that.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 8:06 pm

Menicholas,

OK, I am convinced. They are very smart, and it is very easy to do.

Let’s read again what I actually wrote: Figuring out how those things all come together is not a trivial undertaking, but it’s not at all mysterious or insurmountable to someone with the relevant knowledge and skill set to do it.
Nothing about “very easy to do” in there. Nothing at all.

So, instead of being incorrect, they must be intentionally lying.

After having twisted my words around to mean something they don’t, you’ll pardon me if I don’t exactly consider you the paragon of truth-telling.
More to the salient point, I don’t consider it lying to provide estimates based on uncertain observation so long as those uncertainties are communicated. Literature is full of papers openly discussing the problems inherent in obtaining reasonably reliable estimates of sea level changes.

Being the simple minded sort, I do not understand a lot of things.
Like, for example, how a person could be so naively credulous, and buy into so many obvious lies, hook line and sinker. I will never be smart enough to understand that.

After spending several paragraphs detailing how the truth cannot possibly be determined due to the difficulty of obtaining reliable measurements, you now talk about obvious lies. I think that kind of confused rhetoric is far more the sign of an easy mark.
That I believe something you don’t is not. Nobody is smart enough to understand why a complete stranger does what they do with only their words over the Internet as evidence. A good start would be to read what I actually write instead of putting your words in my mouth.

Reply to  dbstealey
May 13, 2015 5:52 am

Eli writes “Well, one could point out that the sea level rise before 1990 was a lot slower. ”
You could claim that but unfortunately it blows away any “hidden heat in the ocean accounting for the lack of warming” argument.

Reply to  dbstealey
May 13, 2015 4:39 pm

I -PIT,
you say: “Nobody is smart enough to understand why a complete stranger does what they do with only their words over the Internet as evidence.”
and you ask: “Why does he insist on using The Brest tidal gauge to calculate sea level rise when there is satellite data available?
WHY are asking us? based on your other stated belief we can’t understand possibly understand why he does what he does or did what he did. As such your question must be rhetorical….
db’s question to you wasn’t rhetorical … will you respond?

Robert of Ottawa
May 12, 2015 6:12 am

A veritable tour-de-force. I saved it as a web archive file .mht
Point 15 is interesting, I had missed that.

Nippy
May 12, 2015 6:22 am

If the atmosphere behaves as a green house why do we need greenhouses

John West
May 12, 2015 6:46 am

Strike #16
The 2nd Law does not preclude a cooler radiating body from slowing the cooling of a warmer radiating body.

Jean Demesure
Reply to  John West
May 12, 2015 9:05 am

adding a “radiating body” also add more conduction and then more heat lost.
If adding a “radiating body” slows the cooling, then dewar flask’s walls should be filled with gases instead of void.

Nylo
Reply to  Jean Demesure
May 12, 2015 10:08 am

It’s void to avoid losses by conduction, not to avoid losses by radiation. Filled with a greenhouse gas, the radiation losses would be lower, however you would have losses by conduction, and they would be higher than what you stopped radiating away, meaning poorer insulation.

John West
Reply to  Jean Demesure
May 12, 2015 10:13 am

Added a radiating element can of course cool its sorroundings (so that would be the atmosphere, not the surface) but it’s equipartition of energy that determines the general flow of energy between kinetic, vibration, and radiation in the gas.

Reply to  Jean Demesure
May 12, 2015 10:15 am

It seems like this could be settled very quickly with an experiment. Put two orbs (or something like that) in a vacuum chamber. Heat object A up, and let it cool. Do that a bunch and measure various things. Then, heat object A up, but heat object B up as well (perhaps maintaining its temperature). See what happens to A’s temperature during this time.
Surely this must have been done already as a demonstration of radiative heat transfer?

Reply to  Jean Demesure
May 12, 2015 10:18 am

Pulling a vacuum in a dewar kills off convection and conduction. Silvering the walls reduces radiative losses

MarkW
Reply to  Jean Demesure
May 12, 2015 12:08 pm

You can’t have conduction unless the two bodies are touching.

Reply to  Jean Demesure
May 13, 2015 9:56 am

So why don’t they make a dewar with one part vacuum, surrounded by another layer containing CO2? Maybe it wouldn’t much matter in keeping coffee hot. But when cooling helium down to a millionth of a degree above absolute zero, they use every tool they can get.
But they don’t use CO2. Why not? Unless…

Reply to  Jean Demesure
May 13, 2015 7:36 pm

To Mark: Gases conduct heat, just not very well, but in a dewar you want to limit the heat transfer between the inner and outer walls as much as possible so a vacuum is better. Sometimes, when you cannot maintain a vacuum, argon is used between the inner and outer walls as in double paned windows.
To db: When you are cooling with liquid helium you have an outer dewar that is cooled with liquid nitrogen to 77K.
There are also metal (thermal) radiation shields sitting intermediately between the inner very cold area and the outside which limit the heat flow from the outside, much as greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, limit the rate at which the surface cools. The link below shows the construction of a typical liquid low temperature cryostat
http://www.nanoscience.de/group_r/mfm/instrumentation/

Jean Demesure
Reply to  Jean Demesure
May 14, 2015 2:14 am

Eli, you are being willingly obtuse.
The point is not about comparing (1) the heat conserving power of CO2 as a “radiating body” (the main beef of the “greenhouse theory”) to the insulating power of a metal coated surface but to (2) the heat losing power of CO2 by conduction.
If (1) is higher than (2), then a Dewar flask wall should be filled with plenty of CO2 instead of void.
So no, the AGW meme “adding polluting-heat-trapping-CO2-greenhouse-gas to the atmosphere can only add more heat” is not automatically true.

Reply to  Jean Demesure
May 14, 2015 8:17 pm

Jean, you made an assertion about how a dewar works. Eli pointed out that a dewar works by limiting heat flow from the inside to the outside by convection, conduction and radiation. Pulling a vacuum between the inner and outer walls leaves no molecules to transfer heat by convection or conduction. Radiative heat flow is limited by silvering both walls (silver is a very good reflector in the IR). If you put a gas between the two walls, ANY gas, you will have significant convective heat transfer between the walls and thus your coffee (or tea, taste varies) will cool pretty fast.
Your statement that if a radiating body slows cooling, then dewar flask walls should be filled with gas instead of void does not take convection into account. Styrofoam is an excellent insulator. Styrofoam insulation works by immobilizing air molecules in small bubbles in the foam. Most other insulation, such as fiberglass bats works the same way. This cuts off convection.
Radiation is an interesting case. Assume you fill the void with CO2. To have any effect, you need enough CO2 that the average distance an IR photon travels before being absorbed would have to be a very small fraction of the distance between the walls. That would require a lot of CO2, at least an atmosphere, which, in turn, would increase convection. Moreover, since gas molecules don’t absorb IR across the spectrum but only on molecular lines, cutting off the radiative heat flow would not be nearly as effective as simply silvering the walls and pulling a vacuum in the void between the walls.
So Jean, in simple terms that is how a dewar works and why your analogy is fallacious.

rgbatduke
Reply to  Jean Demesure
May 15, 2015 5:45 am

It seems like this could be settled very quickly with an experiment. Put two orbs (or something like that) in a vacuum chamber. Heat object A up, and let it cool. Do that a bunch and measure various things. Then, heat object A up, but heat object B up as well (perhaps maintaining its temperature). See what happens to A’s temperature during this time.
Surely this must have been done already as a demonstration of radiative heat transfer?

This isn’t even contended physics any more, it is mere engineering. If you accept:
a) The first and second laws of thermodynamics
and
b) The Stefan-Boltzmann law, or any reasonable variation thereof
and
c) Kirchoff’s Law for absorption/emission of radiation
and are even 1st year intro physics class competent at mathematics and algebra, one can see that interpolating a radiative absorber/emitter layer between two vacuum-separated reservoirs at different temperatures will slow the rate of radiative heat transfer between them by finding a dynamical equilibrium temperature itself that is necessarily in between the temperature of the two reservoirs. Since the rate of heat loss of the hot reservoir is monotonic in the temperature difference of the cold reservoir it is coupled to, since this difference is smaller, it loses heat more slowly. It literally can do nothing else that does not violate one of these very, very, simple laws — where physical laws, recall, are the parts of physics that pretty much always work and are enormously well understood and validated by experiment after experiment.
The twin consequences of this are a) the hotter body cools more slowly; and b) if the hotter body was at a dynamical equilibrium temperature that was maintained relative to the colder body by some constant input of heat, interpolating the absorber layer will force its temperature higher so that it can maintain the same rate of energy loss and remain in dynamical equilibrium.
It’s that simple. This isn’t up for debate. This is a prelim question in thermodynamics — literally, it is in a book of prelim questions that I happen to own. It has been presented and beated half to death on this list. “Denying” it is dragonslayer level stupidity. Denying it while making noises about how the 1st or 2nd law of thermodynamics are somehow violated by it simply reveals that the denier is appallingly ignorant of physics and unwilling to sit down, draw a picture to represent what is going on, implement the problem in equations, and solve it, just like any other related problem in physics is solved. I just finished teaching my 50th or 60th class of intro physics students their first pass at this basic problem-solving rubric, and it is just as useful for physics Ph.D. researchers as it is for non-major intro-physics students. To try to argue about this in words is a bloody waste of time, especially when the arguers obviously don’t know what things like “the second law of thermodynamics” actually says or how it applies to the problem at hand.
As for “experiments” — your clothing is an experiment. The walls of your house are an experiment. “Space blankets” are an experiment. Dewar flasks are an experiment. Low-E glass windows are an experiment. EZ-Bake ovens are an experiment. This is engineering and the principles have been known since before there was even physics. You can photograph LWIR — literally — coming off a hot object with and without an interpolant layer. The photograph — which measures the integrated brightness associated with heat loss by the object in the direction of the camera — is an experimental result. You can see this — photographs and commentary on radiative heat loss of humans (the subject of the IR photographs) on Wikipedia pages — it is just plain kiddy science.
This is precisely the kind of thing that gives skeptics a bad name, and hence gives warmists a very compelling logical fallacy to use in the debate.
Oh, and Anthony presented an entire video series of the experiment on this very list, using his own IR thermometer.
So it would be simply lovely if people would never again say crap like “cold cannot heat hot” on this list as if that either describes the GHE correctly or is in any way relevant, invariably in the complete absence of anything like a problem presentation. I know, this will never happen. If they actually knew the physics and could actually do the math, why would they be spouting mathematical nonsense? If they owned, and read, Grant Petty’s lovely book they could even learn the math and the physics in the presentation in chapter six. But it is so much simpler to just repeat a nonsense phrase as if repetition will somehow make it true.
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AnonyMoose
May 12, 2015 6:46 am

The start of the explanation of Truth n°2 is hidden in a block of bolded text, and missing a blank line before it.

May 12, 2015 6:47 am

I am waiting for the studies that show the optimum climate for the current biosphere. Is the current climate above or below that optimum? Bonus study topic: to what extent is the biosphere self-optimizing?
The convergence that I observe in climate science is far more on what statist solutions must be imposed via bigger government, and less personal liberty rather than on an accurate model of the climate system.
Given how climate science seems only to exist to justify statist public policy, this is ideology-by-other-means than it is science.

schitzree
Reply to  buckwheaton
May 12, 2015 7:15 am

I would assume that since most measurements are always compared to preindustrial levels, whether CO2, temperature, sea level, whatever, that then must have been their idea of a climate optimum. You know, during the little ice age.

Reply to  buckwheaton
May 12, 2015 8:35 am

schitzree,
Why cherry-pick the LIA? Because that fits your confirmation bias believing that dangerous man-made global warming is happening?
Since you seem to know the optimal global temperature, care to tell us what it is?

schitzree
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 10:19 am

Sorry. I assumed that pointing out it was during the LIA and hence a period when few found the Climate ‘Optimal’ that I didn’t need to add the (sarc) tag.

Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 11:19 am

schitzree,
My apologies for assuming I knew what you meant. Anthony says we should add a “/sarc” tag — something I don’t always do myself.

Duster
Reply to  buckwheaton
May 12, 2015 11:29 am

“Optimum climate” is philosophy not science. Do you prefer dressing like an Inuit or a nudist? That defines “optimal.” The geological evidence indicates that far from being self-optimizing, the biosphere draws carbon out of circulation. The imbalance is only rectified by massive extinctions. Green plants are slightly over-efficient and across long time spans (100 MY) deplete available CO2 faster than “natural” sources, volcanism mostly, can restore it.

Avril Terri Jackson
May 12, 2015 6:57 am

I have a problem bringing up “22 inconvenient climate truths”. You need to look into this.

MarkW
May 12, 2015 6:59 am

I take issue with statement 12. I agree that the net sea ice is pretty close to constant. However Antarctic ice is further from the pole than is arctic ice, as a result it receives sunshine for more of the year and it receives sunshine at a higher angle. On net, it will have a greater impact on total albedo than does arctic ice.

The other Phil
Reply to  MarkW
May 12, 2015 8:07 am

I agree, that’s one of the items I noticed which was sloppily worded at best, and likely to be wrong.

Reply to  The other Phil
May 12, 2015 12:53 pm

It’s translated from French, n’est-ce pas? It’s not supposed to be easy to read!

Camille
Reply to  MarkW
May 12, 2015 2:37 pm

Indeed as as MarkW has said the extension during the austral winter of the surface of the antarctic ice up to 20 M km² and 60°S would deserve a computation of the total albedo of (floating ice + snow cover) (over the southern and the northern hemispheres), with due account of the elevation of the Sun and of the clouds. I do not know if such a computation has been made, or if short wave CERES data on the “reflected” sun light could help.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Camille
May 12, 2015 3:23 pm

amille

Indeed as as MarkW has said the extension during the austral winter of the surface of the antarctic ice up to 20 M km² and 60°S would deserve a computation of the total albedo of (floating ice + snow cover) (over the southern and the northern hemispheres), with due account of the elevation of the Sun and of the clouds. I do not know if such a computation has been made, or if short wave CERES data on the “reflected” sun light could help.

We are doing that now, here at WUWT, for the 22nd of each month. Yes, from 2014-2015 year, the Antarctic is reflecting 1.68 times the energy absorbed by the Arctic Ocean due to the reduced sea ice up north. For 8 months of the year, reduced arctic sea ice increases heat loss from the Arctic Ocean due to increased convection, conduction, and evaporation and radiation losses.
Net effect over the year? The planet is cooling.

Barry
May 12, 2015 7:27 am

Too bad that each of these 22 points can easily be picked apart. For starters…
1-2: It’s called interdecadal oscillations (e.g., PDO). The oceans are still warming, and land ice is melting. Wait until the next PDO shift (it may be coming soon). And in any case, 2014 was the warmest year on record.
3: Even a 6% increase in a greenhouse gas is enough to shift the heat balance and equilibrium temp. of the planet.
4: “Lifetime” is a vague term. Once CO2 is emitted, its EFFECT (due to cycling of heat between the atmosphere and oceans) is on the order of at least decades.
5: See 1-2. (And why is the sinusoid tilted upwards?)
6: Incomprehensible…
7: Geological time periods (millions of years) are irrelevant with respect to rapid changes affecting billions of people on decadal time scales
8: Oops.. obviously not up on the latest research: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sea-level-rise-speeds-up/
9: Stating the obvious: “All models are wrong.” This does not refute basic scientific principles. If it does, please present a better model that explains observations though basic principles (not curve fitting).
10: No details provided, and probably referring to decades-old science. Refer to #8 — the science has advanced.
11-12: Naive (or intentional) confusion here between land ice and sea ice.

The other Phil
Reply to  Barry
May 12, 2015 8:16 am

I’m almost speechless at point 5. It sort of fits the sum of three sinusoids? You can probably fit just about anything with the sum of three sinusoids. This is truly embarrassing.

icouldnthelpit
Reply to  The other Phil
May 15, 2015 6:20 am

(Another wasted effort by a banned sockpuppet. Comment DELETED. -mod)

Reply to  The other Phil
May 15, 2015 1:19 pm

icouldnthelpit,
Your comment has no connection to what is being discussed.
Lie down for a while. A cold compress on your forehead would probablly help, too.

icouldnthelpit
Reply to  The other Phil
May 15, 2015 3:11 pm

Enough of your fantasies, already.

Reply to  The other Phil
May 15, 2015 4:26 pm

Ah, my entourage of one. How nice to see you bird-dogging my posts again.
Carry on with your fixation.

Reply to  Barry
May 12, 2015 8:45 am

other Phil,
Only you has mentioned ‘3 sinosoids’. So you set up a strawman and argued with it…
Next, Barry posts a litany of misinformation. One perfect example is his reliance on Scientific American as a credible source. SciAm claims that sea level rise is "accelerating".
So, Barry, who should we believe? German/greenie-owned SciAm? Or six separate data sources showing NO acceleration in SL rise?
http://www.aviso.oceanobs.com/fileadmin/images/news/indic/msl/MSL_Serie_ALL_Global_IB_RWT_NoGIA_Adjust.png
And lately I’ve notice the ‘vanishing sea ice’ narrative is now morphing into a ‘land ice’ narrative. That’s just more moving of the goal posts because once again, an alarmist prediction has failed.
Barry, it’s just as easy to refute the rest of your comments. It’s just not worth the wasted time.

Hugh
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 10:20 am

Do you have any idea why the linear fit is so strikingly good?
It looks like Hansen knew this all beforehand when he projected +25000 mm by 2100. / sarc

The other Phil
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 10:30 am

Huh? Did you miss “its best approximation by the sum of three sinusoids of periods 1000 years, 210 years and 60 years”
I didn’t make up the three sinusoids, they are right there.

schitzree
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 10:33 am

So they added a year of new data and, nope, still not accelerating.

icouldnthelpit
Reply to  dbstealey
May 13, 2015 4:08 am

(Another wasted effort by a banned sockpuppet. Comment DELETED. -mod)

Reply to  dbstealey
May 13, 2015 10:01 am

Schitzree is correct. Cherry-picking one very small fluctuation does not negate the long term linear rise. To assume that sea level rise is suddenly accelerating is engaging in wishful thinking.
The same small fluctuations are visible in other parts of that chart, from the very beginning on. Anyone can see them.
Here is another satellite view. Notice what’s happening right now:
http://www.aviso.altimetry.fr/fileadmin/images/data/Products/indic/msl/MSL_Serie_J2_Global_NoIB_RWT_NoGIA_NoAdjust.png

icouldnthelpit
Reply to  dbstealey
May 14, 2015 10:41 am

(Another wasted effort by a banned sockpuppet. Comment DELETED. -mod)

rgbatduke
Reply to  dbstealey
May 15, 2015 5:57 am

These two graphs have incredibly — literally — differences in their slopes. The Aviso graph has a slope almost a full centimeter per decade larger than the graphs reconstructed from seven other independent sources, one showing a full inch and a half a decade instead of just over an inch a decade. Neither of these rates are “alarming” in the slightest degree, and I say that sitting here looking out at the Atlantic from my chair, unafraid that my boat dock is about to be submerged by global warming.
If Hansen’s absurd and alarmist claims of 5 meter rise by 2100 were true, of course, I would need to be. That’s a spectacular rate of a couple of inches a year, and the docks in the water I’m looking at would be underwater at high tide within no more than three or four years. As it is, they might be underwater at spring tide by 2060 or 2080. Or would be if docks lasted that long, and if the sea level keeps rising at all.
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Reply to  dbstealey
May 15, 2015 1:21 pm

icouldnthelpit,
That chart directly contradicts the Aviso chart you posted previously, and it has no relation to the real world.
Next time, don’t get your charts from imgur.com.

Reply to  dbstealey
May 15, 2015 4:13 pm

It contradicts your other chart. Which one should we use? Let me guess: the one from imgur.com, showing fake acceleration.
The fact is that sea level rise is not accelerating. Want some more facts? The Arctic ice isn’t going away. The ocean isn’t ‘acidifying’. Polar bears aren’t disappearing. Dangerous man-made global warming isn’t happening. Global warming stopped many years ago.
I could go on. But why bother? YOur side has been flat wrong about everything.

Specter
Reply to  Barry
May 12, 2015 11:56 am

“And in any case, 2014 was the warmest year on record.”
Well…they were only 38% sure of that, right?

Reply to  Specter
May 12, 2015 2:59 pm

After massive adjusting, dropped stations, homogenization, and lord only knows what other massaging it took to get the numbers they want. Oh, and no correction for UHI, even though many stations are in/on one.

MarkW
Reply to  Barry
May 12, 2015 12:17 pm

1-2: Funny how interdecadal oscillations are counted as part of AGW when they are increasing, but irrelevant when they are decreasing.
3: Nobody said it wasn’t, it’s the amount that is being debated.
4: It’s relevant because if we stopped putting more CO2 into the atmosphere, things would quickly return to their prior industrialization levels. If the lifetime doesn’t matter, why do the warmists constantly go about telling us how the CO2 we put in the atmosphere is going to be there for thousands of years?
5: See 1-2.
6: You really shouldn’t be so eager to advertise your ignorance.
7: The point is to show that CO2 levels have been higher without the catastrophic consequences claimed by your team.
8: Thinking Sci Am is authoritative
9: The models aren’t based on first principles.
10: Love the way the warmists actually try to believe that the only science out there, supports their wishes.
11-12: Inability, or perhaps deliberate attempt to avoid dealing with the subject.

Reply to  MarkW
May 12, 2015 3:02 pm

“If the lifetime doesn’t matter, why do the warmists constantly go about telling us how the CO2 we put in the atmosphere is going to be there for thousands of years?
Some say that it is sure to last for many hundreds of thousands, even if we stopped adding more tonight after dinner. Then again, some apparently believe they know what would have happened with out any anthropogenic CO2.

Camille
Reply to  Barry
May 14, 2015 9:13 am

Here are some elements for your information; your text is in ” ”
“1-2: It’s called interdecadal oscillations (e.g., PDO). The oceans are still warming, and land ice is melting. Wait until the next PDO shift (it may be coming soon). And in any case, 2014 was the warmest year on record.”
ANSWER: as the “greenhouse effect” is supposed to occur in the troposphere the satellite temperature series which have a complete global coverage (up to 85°N and S) and are homogeneous since end 1978 are relevant; they do not suggest that 2014 has been the warmest.
Moreover if you recognize the major impact of PDO and of El Nino as shown on figure 15-A then you should recognize that the other cycles are as important and that all of the warming of the last decades is related to the stepwise effects of the El Ninos over the longer cycles
“3: Even a 6% increase in a greenhouse gas is enough to shift the heat balance and equilibrium temp. of the planet.”
ANSWER: according to Myrhe’s formula it’s 5.35 ln(1.06) = 0,3 W/m²or possibly at most 0,1°C
“4: “Lifetime” is a vague term. Once CO2 is emitted, its EFFECT (due to cycling of heat between the atmosphere and oceans) is on the order of at least decades.”
ANSWER: you may have meant cycling of carbon dioxide ..; the main point as explained at the end of truth n°4 is that the ratio : absorption to total air content
is about constant and is the lifetime of a molecule, according to basic calculus. This is in line with observations reminded on card n°17
“5: See 1-2. (And why is the sinusoid tilted upwards?)”
ANSWER: The 60 years sinusoid is on top of the 1000 year cycle and of the 215 year cycle well documented (figure 5-B, 5-C )
“6: Incomprehensible…”
ANSWER: figure 6-A to 6-D explain the basic physics of the radiative effect of trace gas in the air; cards n° 14, 15, 16 explain further the basics that are supposed to be understood by anyone speaking or writing about radiation in the air.
“7: Geological time periods (millions of years) are irrelevant with respect to rapid changes affecting billions of people on decadal time scales”
ANSWER: this is a hint to the non existence of the runaway greenhouse effect: see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uxfiuKB_R8 (James Hansen prophetizing boiling oceans…)
“8: Oops.. obviously not up on the latest research:https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sea-level-rise-speeds-up/
ANSWER: for protection of the coasts the tide gauge are relevant ; please browse http://www.psmsl.org
“9: Stating the obvious: “All models are wrong.” This does not refute basic scientific principles. If it does, please present a better model that explains observations though basic principles (not curve fitting).”
ANSWER: there is ample literature on the hot spot which has been described in great details by IPCC AR4 (and by Hansen 1981)… but does not exist in the observations
“10: No details provided, and probably referring to decades-old science. Refer to #8 — the science has advanced.”
ANSWER: 2013 measurement (figures 10- B and 10-C) are not decade old science
“11-12: Naive (or intentional) confusion here between land ice and sea ice.”
ANSWER: what you name “land ice” is the snow coverage relevant for the albedo; refer to WUWT web site snow and ice pages

Reply to  Barry
May 15, 2015 4:15 pm

Barry,
Most of the points are accurate. Anyone can ‘pick apart’ anything. It doesn’t mean you’re right.
You’ve been wrong about every alarming prediction ever made. Who’s gonna believe you now?

Erik
May 12, 2015 7:34 am

On point #3. Maybe I am not reading this right but as I understood 4 to 5% (close to the 6% stated value) of CO2 is related to the total amount of CO2 produced on earth by humans. Most of the CO2 is also absorbed by natural processes but the net amount of CO2 is increasing and the man made percentage of the net increase was about the 28 to 30%. Something like that.
The man made portion of the mixture of CO2 in the atmosphere could be 6% but the amount of the man made CO2 relative to the total increase of CO2 can also be in the 30% range.
I think there is some confusion with the mixture % and actual increase % and the point #3 is not clear.
I maybe wrong. This is not my field but it was something I learned via this web site.

Mike M.
May 12, 2015 7:34 am

What a pack of unscientific drivel. Claim #2 “57% of the cumulative anthropic emissions since the beginning of the Industrial revolution have been emitted since 1997” is a bald-faced lie.

Bill Illis
Reply to  Mike M.
May 12, 2015 7:47 am

40% is more accurate. Total Carbon emissions since 1750, 402 GTs. Total from 1997 to 2014, 164 GTs. Not a big difference from 57%.

Mike M.
Reply to  Bill Illis
May 12, 2015 10:06 am

Bill Illis,
400 ppm CO2 now, 367 ppm in 1997, 280 pre-industrial. 33 is 27% of 120. The percentage of cumulative emissions might be somewhat different, but that would be quibbling since what matters is what is in the atmosphere.
Your claim that 40% is not much different from 57% pretty much pegs you as someone who is indifferent to facts.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Mike M.
May 12, 2015 11:31 am

Mike M.

400 ppm CO2 now, 367 ppm in 1997, 280 pre-industrial. 33 is 27% of 120. The percentage of cumulative emissions might be somewhat different, but that would be quibbling since what matters is what is in the atmosphere.
Your claim that 40% is not much different from 57% pretty much pegs you as someone who is indifferent to facts.

And, in 1985, CO2 was 345 ppm. Where do you wish to start? 1945, as temperatures cooled slightly as CO2 was added to the air?
1650 – when temperatures began to rise when CO2 was not being added to the air?
1250 – before temperatures began to fall while CO2 was not being added to the air?
1880?
1915 – 1945? When temperatures rose just as quickly, just as much as 1976 – 1998, but CO2 was far lower in concentration?

Reply to  Mike M.
May 12, 2015 8:26 am

I think “cumulative anthropic” are the operative words. That’s different from “total” emissions. Also, the author doesn’t make clear whether it is ‘carbon’ or CO2. They are often used interchangably, but they’re not the same.
It’s true that it isn’t a big difference. He could have been more precise, that’s all. But that certainly doesn’t justify labeling it as “unscientific drivel”.

Mike M.
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 10:10 am

Most of the 22 “truths” are false, some are merely misleading. I only cited #2 as the most egregiously obvious falsehood.

Reply to  Mike M.
May 12, 2015 8:39 am

2014 was the warmest year on record. Where’s the rest, Mike?
You say “bald-faced lie”, yet you provide no refutation.
You’re a loud-mouth.

MarkW
Reply to  RobRoy
May 12, 2015 12:20 pm

And like most warmists, he appears to believe that the way to win a scientific argument is by yelling the loudest.

Reply to  RobRoy
May 12, 2015 1:45 pm

“2014 was the warmest year on record.”
According to Dr. Spencer on April 28:
1st 1998 0.463
2nd 2010 0.333
3rd 2002 0.195
4th 2005 0.181
5th 2003 0.166
6th 2014 0.151
7th 2007 0.144
8th 2013 0.113
9th 2006 0.098
10th 2001 0.095

Camille
Reply to  Mike M.
May 12, 2015 3:18 pm

Please accept apologies for this horrific misprint.
The numbers given on the same card n°2 (153 Gt-C end 1978, 257 Gt-C end 1996, and 402 Gt-C end 2014, from CDIAC and BP statistical review ) could be slightly increased to take into account the voluntary (non natural) forest fires and wood burning (which is nevertheless said to be a renewable)
As 402/257 = 157% it is a 57% increase of the cumulative anthropic emissions since end 1996
And almost 37% (or 36%) of the cumulative fossil fuel and cement plant emissions since 1750 have been emitted since 1997

Richard M
Reply to  Mike M.
May 12, 2015 5:15 pm

If you factor in the fact most of the older emissions would be sequestered by now it probably makes sense that the more recent emissions are the ones still in the atmosphere. Not sure how they computed their number as I haven’t read the details, but it makes sense.

May 12, 2015 7:39 am

Reblogged this on In Suspect Terrane and commented:
Posted originally on Watts Up With That. A staggering compendium of damnation of the catastrophic global warming diatribe.

Village idiot
May 12, 2015 7:47 am

“8. The sea level is increasing by about 1.3 mm/year according to the data of the tide-gauges (after correction of the emergence or subsidence of the rock to which the tide gauge is attached, nowadays precisely known thanks to high precision GPS instrumentation); no acceleration has been observed during the last decades…”
More bad news for ‘the sea level isn’t rising much’ department:
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate2635.html
“Second, in contrast to the previously reported slowing in the rate during the past two decades1, our corrected GMSL data set indicates an acceleration in sea-level rise (independent of the VLM used), which is of opposite sign to previous estimates and comparable to the accelerated loss of ice from Greenland and to recent projections, and larger than the twentieth-century acceleration.
(Note to Mr Mod: Please release my previous post..there are no policy violations in it..)

Reply to  Village idiot
May 12, 2015 8:12 am

Village idiot,
Ah. An “adjusted” sea level, purportedly claiming “acceleration” in the natural sea level rise since the LIA.
Instead, let’s look at the real world, in raw data from six (6) separate instrumental sources, including data from several different satellites:
http://www.aviso.oceanobs.com/fileadmin/images/news/indic/msl/MSL_Serie_ALL_Global_IB_RWT_NoGIA_Adjust.png
There is no acceleration in the natural sea level rise.
The paper you linked to is simply trolling for grant money. If you want honest measurements instead of “adjusted” nonsense, then look at the real world data.
But I doubt that you’re interested in empirical measurements, since your mind is already made up.

Village idiot
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 1:25 pm

Ha, ha. I love the entertainment in this Village. Still in the dark ages, Laws of Physics suspended, argumentation self-contradictory, looking glass logic. Lewis Carrol couldn’t make this stuff up 😉
dbs: “let’s look at the real world, in raw data…honest measurements instead of “adjusted” nonsense”
Would that also be as in satellite temperature ‘measurements’?
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2015/04/version-6-0-of-the-uah-temperature-dataset-released-new-lt-trend-0-11-cdecade/
Adjusted results are Ok when they fit the agenda, eh – “since your mind is already made up”

Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 2:01 pm

Village idiot,
Try to keep up. This particular discussion is about sea levels, and your fictitious “acceleration”.
In deference to your screen name, I won’t do more than point out that there is not one word about sea level in your link.
There is a good temperature graph, though. It shows that there hasn’t been any global warming for many years now:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/V6-vs-v5.6-LT-1979-Mar2015.gif
It’s a beta version, though, so we won’t bother with it until it’s official.
‘K? Thx.
Now, try not to bother the adults any more with links that have nothing to do with the discussion. TIA.

The Original Mike M
Reply to  Village idiot
May 12, 2015 10:38 am

It ain’t rising much at Tuvalu – http://www.bom.gov.au/ntc/IDO70056/IDO70056SLI.pdf

Reply to  The Original Mike M
May 12, 2015 2:04 pm

Mike,
No sea level rise for many years before that, either:
http://www.john-daly.com/press/tuvalu.gif

pochas
May 12, 2015 8:01 am

I hereby proclaim that points 1 thru 22 above are correct, indisputable, 97% consensus, and settled science, and that those not in complete agreement are vile deniers and will not go to heaven. Ya gotta fight fire with fire.

RH
Reply to  pochas
May 12, 2015 12:14 pm

You’re being flippant. But still, 100% correct.

jipebe29
Reply to  RH
May 12, 2015 3:38 pm

Indeed!

Reply to  pochas
May 12, 2015 3:07 pm

Plus they have bad breath, dandruff and snore loudly.

May 12, 2015 8:04 am

There is also a solar influence not mentioned. The sun seems to be finishing a ~100 yr active cycle. The next solar cycle (or several) may suppress any aCO2 GHE warming. And cold is far more detrimental to the ecosystem and humanity than is warmer.
aCO2, its warming and plant greening effects, is simply sound insurance against a LIA-like episode.

The other Phil
May 12, 2015 8:05 am

I’ve only skimmed so far, but this is a terrible document, full of holes, poorly worded, and misleading. I expect the warmists to have a field day.

Reply to  The other Phil
May 12, 2015 8:17 am

The other Phil,
In other words, you’ve only “skimmed” the article, but you’ve made up your mind that it is “a terrible document, full of holes, poorly worded, and misleading.” But you give zero details.
You add that warmists will have a field day. Look a few comments upthread at the village idiot’s post, and the response. Now tell us who’s having a field day.
When making a critique, it’s best to cut and paste anything you disagree with, and reply to that. Doing it that way makes your response appear much more credible.

The other Phil
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 8:40 am

Yes, when you look at a long document with 22 points, and find egregious problems with several of the early ones, it is fair to conclude it is a terrible document. If you scroll up, you’ll see that I have made specific comments about several specific items.
If you can’t be bothered to do that, I’ll put one here:
Fitting three sinusoids to a short set of data points will make anyone with math skills cringe. They have a weak arguments for the 60 year cycle (I’d like to see more support) but none is even offered for the other two. This is data mining in the worst sense of the term.
I want cogent arguments explaining the science, not a fling of spaghetti at the wall, hoping something sticks.

BallBounces
May 12, 2015 8:05 am

If the climate change narrative should fail scientists seeking funding and power and politicians seeking power and control will replace climate change with a new scare narrative. Count on it.

May 12, 2015 8:26 am

I quote: “…since 1880 the only one period where Global Mean Temperature and CO2 content of the air increased simultaneously has been 1978-1997.”
This is untrue. Mean temperature stayed the same from 1979 to 1997, in an 18 year stretch. This makes it another hiatus/pause comparable to the one we are living through now. The ENSO oscillation was present at the time and produced a wave train of five El Ninos, with La Nina valleys in between. The center line of these ENSO waves was a horizontal straight line as I showed in figure 15 of my book “What Warming: Satellite view of global temperature change” in 2010. No way can this be a period of warming as shown in the official temperature curves. The fraud involves cooperation between GISTEMP, HadCRUT, and NCDC. They evened out their differing temperatures by using common computer processing. But unbeknownst to them their computer left traces of its operation on all three publicly available temperature curves, These comprise sharp upward spikes near the beginnings of years, all in exactly the same locations in all three curves. I have been drawing attention to this periodically for the last five years and have been ignored, both by warmists and by global warming critics. No one seems to be doing their homework these days with the result that much important information in my book is unknown to most climate scientists. One result is that worthless data gets treated as real and is used to draw wrong conclusions about temperature history. The period in question has been designated a “late twentieth century warming” that simply does not exist except on imaginary temperature curves cooked up by unethical operators in a cave behind IPCC offices.

David A
Reply to  Arno Arrak (@ArnoArrak)
May 12, 2015 4:05 pm

“This is untrue. Mean temperature stayed the same from 1979 to 1997, in an 18 year stretch”
===============================================================
No T rose from 79 to 97. In the old non agenda data sets. The NH had a .6 degree cooling, and global was 4 degrees. They had to get rid of the 1940 blip, and they did.

Camille
Reply to  Arno Arrak (@ArnoArrak)
May 15, 2015 4:29 am

comment on Arno Arrak 8:26 am
in truths n°2 and n°5 the main point is that a periodic waveform should not be approximated by a straight line, and that one should at least try a sum of sinusoid with as little free parameters as possible (in this case only the amplitude and phase of the 210 and 60 years sinusoids, as the Hadcrut series is too short for a Fourier or wavelet decomposition see as well the paper of Macias reference 18); the figure 15-A shows the step wise changes of the temperature paced by the El Nino events: this has been shown in detail by Bob Tisdale.
For an interpretation of the El Nino and of the atmospheric circulation see the books of the late Prof. Marcel Leroux like: Global Warming – Myth or Reality?: The Erring Ways of Climatology 2005 http://www.springer.com/us/book/9783540239093
Thank you for the reference to your book I shall read.

Mano
May 12, 2015 8:33 am

Voici donc Jean-Pierre Bardinet qui recycle ses excréments outre-Atlantique…
Sorry for those who do not understand French, it is between JPB and me.

Jeff
Reply to  Mano
May 12, 2015 9:30 am

Between JPB, you, my O level French and Google Translate as a check of my memory of la belle langue [which actually was close enough] …
Here, Jean-Pierre Bardinet who recycles his dung overseas …
Très charmant!

jipebe29
Reply to  Mano
May 12, 2015 10:09 am

Commentaire stupide et sans valeur. Peut mieux faire.
Stupid comment, without any value. You can do better, dear Mano
Nevertheless, I am very glad to irritate you…

Mano
Reply to  jipebe29
May 12, 2015 10:28 am

“Stupid comment, without any value”
This is called projection.
And don’t worry about me, I am far from being irritated by you, actualy I am rolling on the floor laughing out loud at seing your nonsense dispensed here.
And I am pleasantly surprised to see that some commenters are not fooled by your crap.

Reply to  jipebe29
May 12, 2015 11:07 am

Mano,
He’s right. You made a comment without any value. Why not address any points of disagreement? If you can…

LarryFine
May 12, 2015 8:36 am

Communists at the UN already admitted that this was a hoax designed to overthrow Democracy and Capitalism. All I can figure is that they must have been looking at bad Soviet science when they dreamed this up.
And the reason why they’ve been demanding immediate, emergency action (for decades) is because they feel like masked gunmen standing in front of a bank, holding bags of taxpayer cash, with sirens approaching.

RH
Reply to  LarryFine
May 12, 2015 12:20 pm

Oh come on Larry. Surely, it is a coincidence that all of the solutions to global warming come straight from the pages of the manifesto. /sarc

May 12, 2015 8:37 am

3 and 4: no per Ferdinand Engelbeen. 6 red herring, as climate sensitivity is logarithmic.

May 12, 2015 8:40 am

WUWT hangs with crome on ipad

Reply to  Hans Erren
May 12, 2015 12:59 pm

20 years ago Hans’ comment would have been completely unintelligible. Progress!

Reply to  PiperPaul
May 12, 2015 2:09 pm

This was 25 years ago. Now it would all fit in a smart phone:
http://americandigest.org/inyourpocket.jpg
That’s capitalism!☺☺☺

Joe Schmoe
May 12, 2015 8:42 am

“does the author say that the greenhouse effect does not exist ? The author of such statements should loose any credibility in the eyes of readers with some scientific background”,
Did they really use “loose”. LOL! The author of THAT should lose credibility with anyone with an ounce of intelligence.

Mano
Reply to  Joe Schmoe
May 12, 2015 8:58 am

“They” are French, therefore “loose” is the translation that I assume was made by the author, so you are right, he has lost any credibility (actually he never had any credibility, hence he didn’t even lost it)

Reg Nelson
Reply to  Joe Schmoe
May 12, 2015 10:22 am

So a typo invalidates the whole paper? Wow! Brilliant logic!
BTW in your post shouldn’t there be a question mark after “loose”?

Reply to  Reg Nelson
May 12, 2015 3:11 pm

Hehe.
+10

May 12, 2015 8:43 am

1) anthropogenic CO2 is trivial
2) CO2’s impact on the climate is trivial.
3) IPCC’s models don’t work.
The rest is unnecessary noise.

Mike M
Reply to  nickreality65
May 12, 2015 10:30 am

And most of that noise of the unscientific and political variety.

bw
Reply to  nickreality65
May 12, 2015 3:54 pm

1 The proportion of anthro-CO2 added to the annual global biogeochemical cycle is 3 percent.
2a Total atmospheric CO2 infrared energy (OLR) is at most 5 percent of the so called greenhouse surface heating, H2O is 95 percent.
2b Atmospheric CO2 is vital to global life via photosynthesis. From the point of view of life on Earth, adding CO2 to the atmosphere is overwhelmingly beneficial.
3 The IPCC is an arm of the United Nations, therefore it produces only politically motivated propaganda, it has nothing to do with science on any level.
The rest is a media freak show.

TomRude
May 12, 2015 8:44 am

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/sea-level-rise-is-accelerating-1.3070635
Withe the Nature paper in free access to boot…
Be afraid, Be very, very afraid…

Reg Nelson
Reply to  TomRude
May 12, 2015 9:20 am

This doesn’t make any sense. The argument is that the SLR is greater than measured by the coastal tidal gauges because of land movements. But if the land is rising at the same rate as the sea what is there to worry about. It could be equally argued the LLR (Land Level Rise) is also accelerating.

kenin
May 12, 2015 8:50 am

I really don’t have much to offer with respect to the post, other than the fact that we know the CO2 garbage is just that- garbage. So what have we concluded after reading the worlds longest post? Nothing!
The answer doesn’t or hasn’t changed just because we keep dumping more and more info into the face of the alarmist on behalf of the skeptic.
I guess that’s why my time spent here is slowly diminishing.
Unless I see more on issues like geo-engineering and theft of property in the name of climate change/global warming……… then I guess its just treading water.

climanrecon
May 12, 2015 9:25 am

No. 16 is wrong, the greenhouse effect stops the surface from cooling quite so much at night, so the average temperature is higher, relative to no greenhouse gases. Thus, nights in the humid tropics are warmer than nights in deserts.

Jean Demesure
Reply to  climanrecon
May 12, 2015 9:30 am

” Thus, nights in the humid tropics are warmer than nights in deserts.”
Problem is daily mean temperature is the same. Look up two places at the same latitude and altitude, you’ll find the same daily or yearly temperature (say Bangkok and Tombouctou). That’s a massive fact that contradicts the “greenhouse gases” theory.

climanrecon
Reply to  Jean Demesure
May 12, 2015 11:18 am

I was comparing night time temperatures, i.e. daily minimum temperature. Daily MEAN temperature is an abomination that hides crucial information. Who cares about the MEAN temperature (e.g. 25C) of a desert, when its 0C at night and 50C (max) at noon?

Jean Demesure
Reply to  Jean Demesure
May 12, 2015 11:55 am


“Who cares about the MEAN temperature ”
the greenhouse theory is all about the MEAN temperature, not only daily but annually, not only locally but globally. So if you don’t care about it, you are not talking about the greenhouse theory but something else without being aware of it.
And you avoid to address the inconvenient fact that despite its massive “greenhouse effect” (due to much higher humidity), Bangkok is not hotter, temperature-wise, than Tombouctou.
Otherwise, I think we agree : the notion of mean (daily, annually) temperature as fetished by the IPCC, especially so minuscule anomalies (another orwellian term for deviation) means nothing physically and biologically.

Jean Demesure
May 12, 2015 9:25 am

I can’t believe that the two IPCC eminences have stated in written records that : “the Stefan Boltzmann law applies to any body that absorbs electromagnetic radiation and hence to infrared absorbing gases”. That’s the sort of blunder that would get a college freshman a D- in thermodynamics.
I lack words to describe the incompetence of warmists, especially the most publicly vocal of them.

Reply to  Jean Demesure
May 12, 2015 9:44 am

Dear Jean
The reason that the “the Stefan Boltzmann law applies to any body that absorbs electromagnetic radiation and hence to infrared absorbing gases” is that the S-B law is
E = ε(frequency) σ T^4
The emissivity ε is a function of wavelength/frequency. The emissivity (absorptivity) of a gas is zero at frequencies the gas does not absorb at and only positive at frequencies the gas can absorb at, and the S-B law as written above applies
Best

Jean Demesure
Reply to  Eli Rabett
May 12, 2015 1:00 pm

“and the S-B law as written above applies ”
The S-B law doesn’t apply at all, since the emissivity is introduced as a fudge factor. If the S-B law did apply, you would be able to give us the emissivity of CO2. But you can’t and you know you can’t.
This emissivity is what determines CO2 sensitivity (forcing for a doubling of CO2) and the IPCC is still looking for a way to narrow the range of sensitivities which has not improved since the sleight of hand of the Charney report 4 decades ago (3°C +- 1.5°C, talk about the “settled science”!).
So on the one hand, eminent warmists declare “the S-B law applies to any infrared absorbing gases”, on the other hand, nobody can provide the S-B law’s emissivity for CO2. Typical of make-believe science à la IPCC.

Reply to  Eli Rabett
May 13, 2015 7:49 pm

To say that Jean, requires that you also deny the validity of quantum mechanics and thermodynamics
Only a true black body has unit emissivity across the entire spectrum. True black bodies are idealizations, that is they don’t exist. One can determine the emissivity of a materials by measuring the difference between the ideal black body curve and the thermal emission of the substance, including gases. One can also determine the emissivity of a substance by measuring the absorption spectrum
Emissivity from all substances is wavelength dependent. The MODIS UCSB Database is a fine place to look for the emissivity of water and soils
http://www.icess.ucsb.edu/modis/EMIS/html/em.html
The emissivity and absorptivity of small molecules like CO2 and H2O follow the structure of their line absorption spectrum.

Jean Demesure
Reply to  Eli Rabett
May 14, 2015 2:26 am

“Emissivity from all substances is wavelength dependent.”
I didn’t say otherwise. But it’s the Planck’s law, not S-B law.
If the S-B law applies to CO2, then, what is CO2’s emissivity, Eli ?
Why is CO2’s sensitivity, directly derived from the S-B, can’t be determined ?
As always, you won’t answer precise questions, you’ll change subject, wonder why…

Bill Illis
Reply to  Eli Rabett
May 14, 2015 5:53 am

I thought I would note that “clouds” indeed act as a perfect blackbody.
Low cloud cover provides a perfect blackbody emission curve when looking up, no CO2 emission lines, no methane line no H20 lines, a perfect blackbody.
And how often are clouds present, 65% of the time, low clouds 30%.

Mike M.
Reply to  Jean Demesure
May 12, 2015 10:17 am

Jean Demesure,
“I can’t believe that the two IPCC eminences have stated in written records that : “the Stefan Boltzmann law applies to any body that absorbs electromagnetic radiation and hence to infrared absorbing gases”. That’s the sort of blunder that would get a college freshman a D- in thermodynamics.”
An intelligent statement. If only you had stopped there.
“I lack words to describe the incompetence of warmists, especially the most publicly vocal of them.”
In other words, you believe that which is unbelievable, just because you read it in the internet. Thus you torpedo the impression of intelligence.

JCG
Reply to  Jean Demesure
May 12, 2015 12:26 pm

With regards to Truth No.14: From what I gather the argument is that the SB law does not apply to gases. So all the stellar physics and radiative transfer I learned in my stellar physics classes is wrong! Stars, which I always thought were composed of hot gas and clearly followed the SB law since that law describes them very, very well, are really have solid surfaces! How could we have let NASA spend billions and billions of dollars on ground and space telescopes and cosmology and not even realized this simple truth!

Mark
Reply to  JCG
May 12, 2015 3:50 pm

Stars spectral curves do not fit a black body spectrum. Their temperature is calculated as though it were a black body but that is an approximation and is used for simplicity. Due to the long photon emission time (every photon is absorbed and re-emitted many times) the star photosphere is at a pseudo equilibrium allowing a black body approximation for mean photosphere temperature. Hence the sun black body temperature is about 5777 K but the actual photosphere ranges between 4500-6000 K. If the sun were a true back body it would have no apparent surface detail.

steveta_uk
Reply to  JCG
May 13, 2015 3:51 am

“If the sun were a true back body it would have no apparent surface detail.”
Yeah – and it would be black!

Tom Anderson
May 12, 2015 9:31 am

I don’t know, I think this sums up the pariah position very well. Of course there is violent disagreement. That’s the whole point isn’t it? We do, they don’t.

Steve in SC
May 12, 2015 9:43 am

This is pretty much a biggie in more ways than one.
Some things make my head hurt then again so do some of the comments.
It is indeed a must read and something to chew on for a while.

Ben of Houston
May 12, 2015 9:48 am

You shot yourself in the foot by including #3, #4, and #16. Especially 3 and 16. Those are unsupportable positions. It doesn’t matter if the CO2 is acutally the molecule that was emitted or a different one in equilibrium. That’s a non-argument. Human emissions are the cause of the CO2 rise. In fact, by raw emissions, we should have caused a far higher rise. A lot was absorbed into the various different mechanisms and non-air-sources. To argue that we are not the source is nonsense.
16 is willfully ignorant of what the laws of thermodynamics actually say. You can do better than that.

climanrecon
Reply to  Ben of Houston
May 12, 2015 11:31 am

“willfully ignorant” is you shooting yourself in the foot, unless you are telepathic.

Toneb
Reply to  Ben of Houston
May 12, 2015 1:41 pm

Ben of Houston: exactly so….
“#16 is willfully ignorant of what the laws of thermodynamics actually say. You can do better than that.”
Well he can’t as this is just the “Dragon-slayer” bit.
The GHE is not “heating the surface”. It is slowing the cooling of the surface.
Maybe Mons Bardinet can explain how it is that the photons (of back-radiated terrestrial IR) know that they are not allowed to impinge back onto the earth’s surface again, and b###r of somewhere else? I’d love to know.

benofhouston
Reply to  Toneb
May 15, 2015 10:31 am

That’s a distinction without a difference and you know it. Slowing the cooling, warming, are for all purposes the same thing. At best, the point is splitting hairs while pretending they are moving mountains. At anything else, it’s deceitful.

Camille
Reply to  Ben of Houston
May 13, 2015 12:39 am

“It does not matter if the CO2 molecule is that emitted or not… Human emissions are the cause of the rise”
This contradicts very basic mathematics: see on card n°3: Addendum about the relation
d[CO2]/dt = foutgassing(t) + fanthropic(t) – fabsorbed(t):
the IPCC hypothesis is foutgassing(t) = fabsorbed(t) within a few percent with very little change since the little ice age;
the observations suggest fabsorbed(t) /[CO2] = constant = 1/lifetime.
There is no equilibrium as shown by the card 17, figure 17-B and figure 17-F; the mathematical (or statistical) proof by Beenstock et al. that the time series of T(t) and [CO2(t)] do not cointegrate and that the only possible correlation is between T(t) and d[CO2(t)]/dt is reinforced shown by the simple observations of figure 17-B and by the figures of Francey (2013) at the end of card n°17

Reply to  Camille
May 14, 2015 1:47 am

Camille,
Point 3. relates to the residence time of any CO2 molecule (whatever the origin) in the atmosphere, before being swapped with a CO2 molecule from another reservoir.
That doesn’t change the CO2 content in the atmosphere one bit, as long as the inputs equal the outputs.
The decay rate of an extra shot CO2 into the atmosphere (whatever the origin) needs far more time to reduce back to the equilibrium (“steady state”) for the current temperature which is ~290 ppmv. The e-fold decay rate of any surplus CO2 is slightly over 50 years, of a half life time of 40 years. Far longer than the residence time, which has nothing in common with the e-fold decay rate.
Point 17. is completely bogus: if the CO2 levels in the atmosphere increase for whatever reason, the ocean-atmosphere carbon cycle reacts by reducing the input and increasing the output from/to the (deep) oceans. That is a matter of CO2 pressure difference (ΔpCO2) between atmosphere and oceans: the in or out fluxes are directly proportional to the CO2 pressure difference.
Any increase in temperature will increase the pCO2 of the oceans with ~8 μatm, which increases the influx from the oceans and decreases the outflux. That gives an increase of CO2 in the atmosphere. If the increase reaches 8 μatm (~ppmv), the equilibrium is restored and no further increase of CO2 will happen.
The real formula is:
dCO2/dt = k*(T-T0) – ΔpCO2
where ΔpCO2 is the increase in pCO2 in the atmosphere since t=0.
As ΔpCO2 increases over time, dCO2/dt reduces to ultimately zero when:
ΔpCO2 = k*(T-T0)
which is what Henry’s law for the solubility of CO2 in seawater says for a k = ~8 ppmv/°C.
That means that the ~0.6 warming since the LIA is good for not more than ~5 ppmv CO2 increase over the past 55 years, while human emissions were ~170 ppmv and the increase in the atmosphere was ~80 ppmv in the same time frame…
Thus no wonder that T(t) and CO2(t) don’t co-integrate, as near the whole increase is not caused by T but by human emissions. Only the small variability (+/- 1 ppmv) around the trend is caused by T variability…

benofhouston
Reply to  Camille
May 15, 2015 10:44 am

Camille, you are overthinking this. Your math isn’t even wrong because it’s irrelevant. CO2 is in constant motion and residence time. Plants grow, plants die. CO2 is inhaled and exhaled from the ocean and every living thing. That is immaterial to the matter of global warming as the Carbon isotope doesn’t affect the absorption spectrum.
Now, let’s use a swimming pool as a nice example. The CO2 concentration is relatively constant, but in constant motion. Let’s say you have a motor boat and exhaust some CO2 over it. As it contacts the water, this CO2 is going to be absorbed. At the same time, a number of already-dissolved molecules will be thrown off in a classic equilibrium dynamic.
Instantly after exhaust, you have X molecules of CO2 over the pool. In a few moments, the exhaust molecules will be completely mixed with the CO2 molecules in the water. However, as the absorbed concentration is constant, the same number of CO2 molecules are emitted as absorbed, so you still have the same X molecules of CO2 over the pool. They are different molecules, and due to the difference in quanitites, the different C13 ratio won’t be detectable. However, you still have X molecules.
The ONLY mechanisms that are important for CO2 reduction are those that remove additional CO2 from the atmosphere, either temporarily or permanently.

Nylo
May 12, 2015 9:49 am

16. The trace gases absorb the radiation of the surface and radiate at the temperature of the air which is, at some height, most of the time slightly lower that of the surface. The trace-gases cannot “heat the surface“, according to the second principle of thermodynamics which prohibits heat transfer from a cooler body to a warmer body. (discussion: p. 32)

… and here I stopped reading. Then I scrolled down for about 5 long minutes until I could reach the end of the “article”.
Jean-Pierre… go write a book. This IMO is not the place nor the way for what you intended to communicate. Quality is not measured in number of lines of text, and when quality is not very high, the number of lines actually make people want to stop reading. And Anthony… well, this is your place, run it however you want. But pieces like this IMO reduce its value, and I am probably not alone with this opinion.

jipebe29
Reply to  Nylo
May 12, 2015 10:01 am

The scientific report of IPCC is more than 3000 pages. Quality is not [measured] in number of ,lines of text? Ok, therefore, my about 50 pages of text are of high quality, not?

sofianmannonen
Reply to  jipebe29
May 12, 2015 10:13 am

“The scientific report of IPCC”.
In this part of your comment the important word is “scientific”.
And you are not a scientist.

jipebe29
Reply to  sofianmannonen
May 12, 2015 11:43 am

The most important is the content of the document, not the author. To criticize the author’s profile is without any signification. If you want to be credible, than you must give consistent comments about the content.

Nylo
Reply to  jipebe29
May 12, 2015 10:14 am

Your about 50 pages of text should not be put together in an article in a web site. They should go to a PDF, and then you link to it to see the detail of the explanations, or they should be made several separate web pages each of them dealing with one of the topics. Go find me a web site that copies in a single piece of html the full 3000 pages of the full IPCC report.

Nylo
Reply to  jipebe29
May 12, 2015 10:19 am

Let me add, that they should be put in a PDF properly formatted and indexed. Something that we don’t have here. Should you want to check the supporting material of any one of the initial 22 “truths”, it takes a long time to find because all the text along the article looks exactly the same, headers are not highlighted enough, and there are no links to them from the initial display of 22 points.
The format chosen is a bad one, for the same reason that writing the whole text in a single paragraph would be a horrible choice, wrong in the same way, just taken to the extreme for you to understand the idea.

Toneb
Reply to  jipebe29
May 13, 2015 12:57 am

No, as you compare apples with oranges.
The IPCC is summing the knowledge acquired by the world’s experts in the field of climate science.
I suspect Mons Barbinet that that knowledge extends a tad further than yours.
Your *critique” here does nothing more than trawl throgh the usual mistruths and myths of sceptics. Many clearly demonstrating that you have not a clue of radiative physics.
Your 22 *points* if correct ( or even one of them) mean either that you are omniscient and know more than said world experts. Or even more bizarrely that those experts are “having a larf”.
A few on here do have the incite required to overcome their scepticism and call you out. The majority, including the usual attack-wolves make themselves even more divorced from the rational world by defending the undefencible.

Reply to  Toneb
May 13, 2015 1:02 am

“The IPCC is summing the knowledge acquired by the world’s experts in the field of climate science.”
Please can you define “expert in climate science”, trace a limit of what is included and what is not, and tell me why such experts working / providing opinion to the IPCC are more trustworthy of other experts of the field who do not?

richardscourtney
Reply to  jipebe29
May 13, 2015 1:21 am

Toneb
You write

No, as you compare apples with oranges.
The IPCC is summing the knowledge acquired by the world’s experts in the field of climate science.

NO! That is completely untrue and if you do believe it then you are very mistaken.
The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) only exists to produce documents intended to provide information selected, adapted and presented to justify political actions. The facts are as follows.
It is the custom and practice of the IPCC for all of its Reports to be amended to agree with its political summaries. And this is proper because all IPCC Reports are political documents although some are presented as so-called ‘Scientific Reports’.
Each IPCC Summary for Policymakers (SPM) is agreed “line by line” by politicians and/or representatives of politicians, and it is then published. After that the so-called ‘scientific’ Reports are amended to agree with the SPM. This became IPCC custom and practice when prior to the IPCC‘s Second Report the then IPCC Chairman, John Houghton, decreed,

We can rely on the Authors to ensure the Report agrees with the Summary.

This was done and has been the normal IPCC procedure since then.
This custom and practice enabled the infamous ‘Chapter 8′ scandal so perhaps it should – at long last – be changed. However, it has been adopted as official IPCC procedure for all subsequent IPCC Reports.
Appendix A of the most recent IPCC Report (the AR5) states this where it says.

4.6 Reports Approved and Adopted by the Panel
Reports approved and adopted by the Panel will be the Synthesis Report of the Assessment Reports and other Reports as decided by the Panel whereby Section 4.4 applies mutatis mutandis .

This is completely in accord with the official purpose of the IPCC.
The IPCC does NOT exist to summarise climate science and it does not.
The IPCC is only permitted to say AGW is a significant problem because they are tasked to accept that there is a “risk of human-induced climate change” which requires “options for adaptation and mitigation” that can be selected as political polices and the IPCC is tasked to provide those “options”.
This is clearly stated in the “Principles” which govern the work of the IPCC.

These are stated at
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/ipcc-principles/ipcc-principles.pdf
Near its beginning that document says

ROLE
2. The role of the IPCC is to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant to understanding the scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation. IPCC reports should be neutral with respect to policy, although they may need to deal objectively with scientific, technical and socio-economic factors relevant to the application of particular policies.

This says the IPCC exists to provide
(a) “information relevant to understanding the scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change”
and
(b) “options for adaptation and mitigation” which pertain to “the application of particular policies”.
Hence, its “Role” demands that the IPCC accepts as a given that there is a “risk of human-induced climate change” which requires “options for adaptation and mitigation” which pertain to “the application of particular policies”. Any ‘science’ which fails to support that political purpose is ‘amended’ in furtherance of the IPCC’s Role.
The IPCC achieves its “Role” by
1
amendment of its so-called ‘scientific’ Reports to fulfil the IPCC’s political purpose
2
by politicians approving the SPM
3
then the IPCC lead Authors amending the so-called ‘scientific’ Reports to agree with the SPM.
All IPCC Reports are pure pseudoscience intended to provide information to justify political actions; i.e.Lysenkoism.

Richard

Reply to  Nylo
May 12, 2015 10:05 am

This, of course, is a usual misunderstanding of the second law. The surface and the atmosphere exchange energy by convection and radiation (conduction is so small it need not be considered). The net flow of thermal energy is from the surface to the atmosphere. Some choose to label only this net flow of thermal radiation as heat. Others also call the total flows of thermal radiation from the atmosphere to the surface and visa versa, heat. Either POV is defensible, as long as clearly described.
The existence of the flow of thermal radiation to the surface is not a contradiction of the second law because the second law only governs the NET flow of thermal energy in a system.

climanrecon
Reply to  Eli Rabett
May 12, 2015 11:46 am

There is no difference between convection and conduction for gas molecules, which simply move in straight lines until hit by another gas molecule or a photon or something else in the atmosphere. Also, you forgot to mention evaporation and condensation of water as a mechanism of heat transfer.
I agree that the 2nd Law has been misapplied, all you’ve got is gas molecules and photons milling about randomly, they don’t stop and think what “The 2nd Law” expects them to do, some photons from the atmosphere DO get absorbed by the surface, making it warmer than it would otherwise be.

JCG
Reply to  Eli Rabett
May 12, 2015 12:33 pm

: Convection (either forced or thermal) is the bulk movement of gas (i.e., parcels containing many moles of gas in the atmosphere). Convection is a macroscopic phenomena. Think wind. Conduction is a microscopic phenomena, does not involve the bulk movement of gas (parcels stay in place) and in fact does not involve the coherent movement of gas particles in any one direction, each molecule’s motion being random. Think Brownian motion. Conduction and convection in gases are very different physical phenomena.
[Convection differs in gasses and fluids, and conduction between fluids and solids as well. .mod]

Toneb
Reply to  Eli Rabett
May 13, 2015 4:02 am

“Please can you define “expert in climate science”, trace a limit of what is included and what is not, and tell me why such experts working / providing opinion to the IPCC are more trustworthy of other experts of the field who do not?”
No, you try applying common sense and use Google to discover the very long list of experts (people who have studied their specialty and practise it professionally).
Now name those that are contrary to those. Bar the usual tiny minority.
You imly that the minority of “Coctrarians” are correct and the rest not. The balance of probabilities says overwhelmingly not. who contribute to the IPCC AR’s.
If you wish to cite Mons Bardinet as an example of those that are “correct”……
I cite point #16 as exhibit a).
Do you, or anyone else on here believe that to be true? And if you do please explain why and as a corollary, why the world’s experts have not spotted such a basic and AGW stumping fact that goes against basic physics.
Sorry it only takes one stupid statement to reveal the veracity of the total.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Toneb
May 13, 2015 4:56 am

Toneb

Do you, or anyone else on here believe that to be true? And if you do please explain why and as a corollary, why the world’s experts have not spotted such a basic and AGW stumping fact that goes against basic physics.
Sorry it only takes one stupid statement to reveal the veracity of the total.

How many UN and UK and OZ and EU climate “scientists” and politicians and college and institution bureaucrats can you buy for 2.3 trillion in increased taxes per year and 30 trillion per year in Enron-created carbon trading schemes?

Reply to  Toneb
May 13, 2015 6:14 am

You have skipped my question:
“Please can you define “expert in climate science”, trace a limit of what is included and what is not, and tell me why such experts working / providing opinion to the IPCC are more trustworthy of other experts of the field who do not?”
I must assume you can not. That’s what i wanted to make clear.
Bye.

Reply to  Nylo
May 12, 2015 10:56 am

Nylo says:
Anthony… well, this is your place, run it however you want. But pieces like this IMO reduce its value, and I am probably not alone with this opinion.
Well, you may not be alone, but you certainly seem to be in the minority.
I thought this was a very good article. I’m sure the author is experiencing some real peer review anguish here; something that many, if not most scientists don’t encounter in their world. Often their superiors are administrators rather than working scientists. They may not be specialists in the specific field, and if they have tenure then criticism only serves to step on toes — something their pals in the ivory tower tend not to do. And of course, readers here know how the climate pal review system works.
It’s my hope that the author will take all honest criticisms to heart, and re-write his paper to correct any problems. There are a few. But over all, it is good work. There aren’t many problems considering its length.
Those criticizing should submit an article of their own here, and see what happens. It is not easy to write a perfect paper the first time, especially an article this long and involved. Certainly the author shows that most of the cherished beliefs of the climate alarmist clique are wrong.
Finally, ‘sofianmannonen’ says:
“The scientific report of IPCC”. In this part of your comment the important word is “scientific”. And you are not a scientist.
That makes me wonder about sofianmannonen’s credentials. The very first definition in my handy online dictionary defines “scientist” as: a person who is studying or has expert knowledge of one or more of the natural or physical sciences.
Based on the extensive footnotes and knowledge displayed in the article, it’s clear that the author fits the definition. So I would challenge sofianmannonen, or anyone else tempted to make ad hominem comments like that, to submit their own article. Let’s see how much they know. If they decline, then they are probably just one of the millions of head-nodders who have read their ‘science’ in Scientific American or the NY Times, etc., and then think they understand the subject.

MikeB
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 11:20 am

Well of course Nylo is iin a minority, on this blog at least. But, amongst the small sub-group that understands any Science at all, he is not, and when have sceptics ever relied on consensus?
Science is NOT an opinion poll of the ignorati.

Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 5:23 pm

MikeB says:
…when have sceptics ever relied on consensus?
Good point. You are right, we don’t rely on consensus. We don’t have to anyway, since the true consensus is so heavily on the side of skeptics. No group of climate alarmist scientists has come anywhere near the OISM’s numbers. So the comment that ‘amongst the small sub-group that understands Science’ is provably wrong.
And of course, the ‘ignoratii’ only matter in politics and religion… oh, wait…
But ‘consensus’ numbers don’t matter. Data matters. In fact, data is everything in science. And measurements are data. But there are no testable measurements of AGW. What does that tell you?
(My usual disclaimer: I think AGW exists. But it’s just too tiny to matter.)
The ball is now back in the middle of MikeB’s court.

Toneb
Reply to  dbstealey
May 13, 2015 6:10 am

RACookPE1978:
“How many UN and UK and OZ and EU climate “scientists” and politicians and college and institution bureaucrats can you buy for 2.3 trillion in increased taxes per year and 30 trillion per year in Enron-created carbon trading schemes?”
I didn’t ask a political question. This thread is about science.
I ask again…. are you or anyone else apart from some of the more elightened sceptics on here prepared to say honestly that they agree with Mons Bardinet’s version of the 2nd law of Thermodynamics, as aplied to GHE theory?
Because it is wrong, plain and simple – and therefore completely torpedoes credibility.
So the answer is no I guess.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Toneb
May 13, 2015 7:20 am

Toneb

Because it is wrong, plain and simple – and therefore completely torpedoes credibility.
So the answer is no I guess.

Not true at all.
The grossly simplified S-B relationship used in your counter-arguments are also wrong. NONE of the simplifications required to “create” the S-B equation from blackbody approximations needed for your statements are right. They are also not correct for the statements in the paper we are discussing.
I can disagree with many specific points, or one point in particular, in any technical or “scientific” paper or textbook.
Most specifically, I can disagree with any or all points of a politically-propagandized “report” as well.
I can agree or support many individual items within a technical or “scientific” paper or document – and disagree with the final recommendation or conclusion as well.
Those disagreements or agreements are based on individual analysis of each part of the total issue. As an engineer, only the final product safety, quality, accuracy, reproducibility and impact counts. Only in political arguments by simple approximations for the news media and press do your assumptions above matter.
You, apparently, are not actually responsible for decisions that affect other people lives and properties where no “peer-reviewed article” or classroom and political “consensus” exist. Welcome to the real world.

Tucci78
Reply to  Toneb
May 13, 2015 8:09 am

At 6:10 AM on 13 May, Toneb posted:

I didn’t ask a political question. This thread is about science.

Like hell. This spectacular man-made global warming/ climate change/ climate “fragility” fraud has been about nothing except the “political question” ever since the SEEMING of “science” began to be used by the political left – emphasis on the “tranzi” transnational progressives – to perpetrate the pillage and destruction of industrial civilization more than thirty years ago.
The “science” went utterly and irrevocably out the friggin’ window in 1988 when the IPCC was empaneled by the United Nations, and since that time the scientific method has been viewed by the “political” left as nothing more than an obstruction to be overcome.

“Manmade Global Warming” is a collection of ideas that have been thoroughly discredited by real science for years. Yet you would never know it by observing the behavior of politicians, media personalities, and certain corrupt academics and scientists. There is not now, nor was there ever any scientifically respectable evidence for global warming. Like Lysenkoism, it is a complete and total fabrication, a hoax.
Yet it continues to have a strictly political life because, just as Lysenkoism served Stalinism by backing up Marx’s flawed notions — Global Warming serves today’s collectivists by offering them an excuse to seize control, not merely of the means of production, but of each moment, every aspect of the lives of every individual under their thumbs.
To be absolutely certain the opportunity isn’t missed, dissenters — meteorologists and others willing to dismiss Global Warming as the crock it happens to be — have found themselves intimidated, denied funding and tenure, even fired. Here and there you’ll even see demands that “climate change deniers” be prosecuted, imprisoned, or executed. Somewhere, the ghosts of Stalin and Lysenko are having a huge laugh together.

— L. Neil Smith, “Lysenko’s Revenge” (30 August 2009)

benofhouston
Reply to  dbstealey
May 15, 2015 10:51 am

Stealy, he’s not alone. I have to agree. Any inclusion or recognition of the “2nd law violation” nonsense undermines our entire position. Any undergraduate can see how that is a flawed interpretation of the law, and any child can disprove the claim that you can’t warm water via radiation with a light bulb and a bucket.
You cannot support truth with lies,and we must come down HARDER on ourselves to prevent people from seeing such basic errors and concluding that our entire premise is flawed.

Reply to  Nylo
May 12, 2015 12:50 pm

So indeed a carefully hidden dragon slayer. “There is no such thing as back radiation”

Camille
Reply to  Nylo
May 15, 2015 9:10 am

REPLY for Ferdinand Engelbeen May 14, 2015 at 1:47 am
As shown on figure 17-D the regions for absorption and out-gassing are separate; there is no “global” equilibrium between the atmosphere and the ocean; carbon absorbed tens of years ago at high latitudes is resurfacing in upwellings; carbon absorbed by plants months to centuries ago is degassed by soils .
For the oceans refer to Levy, M., L. Bopp, P. Karleskind, L. Resplandy, C. Ethe, and F. Pinsard (2013), Physical pathways for carbon transfers between the surface mixed layer and the ocean interior, Global Biogeochem. Cycles, 27, 1001–1012, doi:10.1002/gbc.20092. who believe there is a subduction
(and http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.fr/2013/09/new-paper-finds-oceans-are-net-source.html )
“At temperate latitudes, the subduction of DIC and to a much lesser extent … At the global scale, these two large counter-balancing fluxes of DIC amount to +275.5 PgC yr–1 for the supply by obduction and –264.5 PgC yr–1 for the removal by subduction which is 3 to 5 times larger than previous estimates.”
QUOTE: “any surplus CO2 is slightly over 50 years, of a half life time of 40 years. Far longer than the residence time, which has nothing in common with the e-fold decay rate” …
ANSWER: This presupposes there is a global equilibrium but the stock / (yearly absorption) analysis shown in truths n° 3, 4 , 17 avoids all the pitfalls and assumptions of an equilibrium between absorption and out-gassing.
Such an equilibrium is postulated by all the compartment models with constant inputs and outputs that lead to a set of linear equation and by Laplace transform to expressions like the Bern or Hamburg formulas or other half-lifetime of 40 years to 60 years; the “impulse response” supposes a linear model (akin an electrical RLC network).
In reality there is no equilibrium because more CO2 implies more green plants growing faster eating more and so on ; the references in note 19 show that even James Hansen and Francey (figure 17 F) admit (now) that their carbon cycle is wrong !
By the way 40/ln(2) = 40/0,693 = 58 years not the 100 years said by Berne formulas see figure 4-B

benofhouston
Reply to  Camille
May 15, 2015 11:06 am

Again, you aren’t even wrong. Let me explain. 6*7 = 42 is right. 6*7=36 is wrong. 6*7=George Washington is a fundamental misunderstanding of the question. You are solving a nonsensical problem to prove a point to which it doesn’t apply.
The issue is that fossil fuel CO2 mixes more or less evenly with all other CO2 in our system. However, this is all in equilibrium with the air and the entire freaking carbon cycle, just like you explained. HOWEVER, it is a cycle, and other CO2 molecules are released at the same rate as those that are absorbed (yes, it’s not precisely the same, but I’m working on generalities here so that the laymen reading this can understand). So claiming that the CO2 in the air is not due to mankind by isotope analysis is just plain wrong.
Let’s compare a bank. I put in $2 million that we all supposedly got from the Kochs. After a few years, we check the bank, crack open the vault, and I find that only $500 worth of the bills in the vault have the same serial numbers as the ones I put in. Question: how much of the money in the vault am I responsible for? $500 or $2 million? Obviously $2 million. The other bills might have been lent out, but they were replaced with other bills. In total, I am responsible for the entire amount I put in, no more and no less.

Reply to  Camille
May 16, 2015 5:57 am

Camille,
As shown on figure 17-D the regions for absorption and out-gassing are separate; there is no “global” equilibrium between the atmosphere and the ocean; carbon absorbed tens of years ago at high latitudes is resurfacing in upwellings; carbon absorbed by plants months to centuries ago is degassed by soils .
Sorry, there is a fundamental lack of knowledge of dynamic systems here: as long as the total of the CO2 influxes is the same as the total of the CO2 outfluxes, nothing happens in the atmosphere. That is the “steady state” or dynamic equilibrium for the ocean – atmosphere system.
For any temperature in the oceans, there is a steady state level with the atmosphere, as dictated by Henry’s law for the solubility of CO2 in seawater. Historically over the past 800,000 years that was ~8 ppmv/°C over ice ages and interglacials or between the MWP and LIA.
For the current average ocean surface temperature, Henry’s law gives ~290 μatm (= ppmv minus % water vapor). That is exactly the same 290 μatm which one would measure for a static system like a flask in a laboratory at the same temperature given sufficient time to equilibrate with the air above the liquid. Henry’s law is applicable as good for dynamic systems as for static systems.
There were over 3 million pCO2 measurements of ocean waters in the past decades which confirm Henry’s law…
Any increase in temperature gives 8 ppmv/°C increase in the atmosphere and then it stops. It is impossible that the dynamic system (which the ocean-atmosphere carbon cycle is) doesn’t react on the increased pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere after a warming, or a volcanic eruption or human emissions: at 8 ppmv extra in the atmosphere the ΔpCO2 between upwelling and atmosphere at one side and the ΔpCO2 at the sink side is restored to what they were before the warming with 1°C. The influxes and outfluxes are directly proportional to the ΔpCO2 between oceans and atmosphere at any ocean area. With the current ΔpCO2 between atmosphere and oceans, the net flux is from the atmosphere into the oceans, not reverse.
See: http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/pubs/outstand/feel2331/maps.shtml
The current net sink/source balance is exactly known from the mass balance: that is the difference between increase in the atmosphere and human emissions. You don’t need to know any individual or total influx or outflux, only the net result is necessary and that is known.
As said by benofhouston and me: you are looking at the wrong rate: the residence time is completely irrelevant for the calculation of the decay rate of a single shot or continuous supply of CO2 in the atmosphere.
It is like looking at the throughput of capital and goods through a factory (the turnover of capital and goods) to estimate the net gain or loss of your investment. You can double or halve the turnover, but that says next to nothing about what happens with the gain or loss of your capital at the end of the year…
Here a graph which shows the effect of a one-shot 100 GtC human CO2 into the pre-industrial 580 GtC atmosphere:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/fract_level_pulse.jpg
The human fraction in the atmosphere (FA) immediately increases to 14% but that is rapidly reduced by the residence time which replaces the original “human” CO2 molecules by “natural” CO2 molecules from other reservoirs, mainly the (deep) oceans. FL is the human fraction in the ocean surface layer and tCA total carbon and nCA natural carbon in the atmosphere.
All original human CO2 is gone in about 60 years, while still about 10% of the original peak in CO2 (100% caused by humans) is measurable after 160 years…
The measured response of the ocean-atmosphere carbon cycle in 1988 at 350 ppmv (60 ppmv above steady state) gives an e-fold decay rate of ~55 years:
http://www.john-daly.com/carbon.htm
The current net sink rate is ~2.15 ppmv for 110 ppmv above steady state which gives an e-fold decay rate of 110 ppmv / 2.15 ppmv/year = 51.2 years.
Looks like a quite linear response to me…
The Bern model differs from the above single decay model (which lumps all sinks together), as that splits the total response in different sink speeds for different reservoirs, each with their own saturation level.
For the ocean surface that is right: the ocean surface is in rapid equilibrium with the atmosphere, but the ocean’s DIC does change only with 10% of the change in the atmosphere.
Where the Bern model goes wrong is the expectation of a similar saturation in the deep oceans, for which is not the slightest sign.
Vegetation is a lot slower in permanent uptake, but has no limit in uptake, as that is what we burn today…

Camille
Reply to  Ferdinand Engelbeen
May 17, 2015 5:04 am

Reply to Ferdinand Engelbeen post received 16 5 2015
You can as well refer to
Camille May 16, 2015 at 5:09 am REPLY TO Willis Eschenbach May 13, 2015 at 10:53 am and to
Camille May 15, 2015 at 3:59 am REPLY to the comments made by Francisco May 13, 2015 at 6:21 am
QUOTE: “As shown on figure 17-D the regions for absorption and out-gassing are separate; there is no “global” equilibrium between the atmosphere and the ocean; carbon absorbed tens of years ago at high latitudes is resurfacing in up-wellings; carbon absorbed by plants months to centuries ago is degassed by soils Sorry, there is a fundamental lack of knowledge of dynamic systems here: as long as the total of the CO2 influxes is the same as the total of the CO2 outfluxes, nothing happens in the atmosphere. That is the “steady state” or dynamic equilibrium for the ocean – atmosphere system. ”
ANSWER: You mean that d(CO2 in the air) /dt= f out-gassed(t) + f anthropic(t) – f absorbed(t) is 0 if the right member is zero; thank you !
But the steady state idea is a myth or a religious idea which contradicted by the observations as shown by figure 4-A where the monthly increments (computed over dt = over 12 months (to minimize seasonal effects) are anywhere between (about) minus -0.4 ppm and +3.7 ppm that is -1 Gt-C to +8 Gt-C
QUOTE:”For any temperature in the oceans, there is a steady state level with the atmosphere, as dictated by Henry’s law for the solubility of CO2 in seawater. Historically over the past 800,000 years that was ~8 ppmv/°C over ice ages and interglacials or between the MWP and LIA.”
ANSWER: There is not “A” temperature of the oceans but a constantly changing distribution of temperatures and of partial pressures of the gases; figure 17-D from the Publications Office of the European Union gives a global view with some time averaging: it is anywhere between 280 µatm and 430 µatm in the water !
Please refer to figure 15-A that depicts, plotted according to latitude, month by month, the changing temperatures of the lower troposphere !
QUOTE: “For the current average ocean surface temperature, Henry’s law gives ~290 μatm (= ppmv minus % water vapor). That is exactly the same 290 μatm which one would measure for a static system like a flask in a laboratory at the same temperature given sufficient time to equilibrate with the air above the liquid. Henry’s law is applicable as good for dynamic systems as for static systems.”
ANSWER: As Henry’s law is strongly non linear, like exp(2587/T) for salty water, the use of an average temperature is a not possible; you have to use local temperatures and then, only then, compute averages … But again as shown on figure 17-D the CO2 in the air and in the oceans is far from being uniform: it is anywhere between 280 µatm and 430 µatm in the water, not uniform at 290 µatm !
QUOTE:”There were over 3 million pCO2 measurements of ocean waters in the past decades which confirm Henry’s law…”
ANSWER: You seem to refer to Takahashi’s data; as the exchange of CO2 between air and water is strongly dependent upon the speed of the wind (as the third power of the wind according to Wanninkof & McGillis 1999) it’s not Henry law !
QUOTE:”Any increase in temperature gives 8 ppmv/°C increase in the atmosphere and then it stops. It is impossible that the dynamic system (which the ocean-atmosphere carbon cycle is) doesn’t react on the increased pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere after a warming, or a volcanic eruption or human emissions: at 8 ppmv extra in the atmosphere the ΔpCO2 between upwelling and atmosphere at one side and the ΔpCO2 at the sink side is restored to what they were before the warming with 1°C.”
ANSWER: The d(CO2 in the air) /dt is plotted on figure 4-A; its integral is of course exactly the function (CO2)(t) !
As already explained you have four time series at hand, (CO2)(t) and its delta13C(t), f anthropic(t) and its delta13C(t) to be computed form the coal, gas, oil and cement time series. In addition you know that the lifetime of a CO2 molecule in the air is in the range 3 to 7 years, and from statistical tests on the time series that the only possible correlation between the series CO(2) and T(t) is to be sought between d(CO2(t))/dt and T(t). The solution is explained on card n°17.
Your 8 ppm/K seems to assume that the exchange is limited to a 50 m deep layer; if it was extended to 1000 m it would be 160 ppm/K may-be a more realistic value. Please refer to textbooks like the book of S.A. Thorpe The turbulent ocean, Cambridge University Press, 2005, 439 pages, for an explanation that the idea of a stratified ocean limited to a 50 m top layer is foreign to reality. Please refer to the paper by Levy et al.(2013), quoted in my preceding reply, for an order of magnitude (270 Gt-C per year) of the carbon down-welling and up-welling inside the ocean.
QUOTE: “The influxes and outfluxes are directly proportional to the ΔpCO2 between oceans and atmosphere at any ocean area. With the current ΔpCO2 between atmosphere and oceans, the net flux is from the atmosphere into the oceans, not reverse. See: http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/pubs/outstand/feel2331/maps.shtml The current net sink/source balance is exactly known from the mass balance: that is the difference between increase in the atmosphere and human emissions. You don’t need to know any individual or total influx or outflux, only the net result is necessary and that is known.”
ANSWER: Indeed we know d(CO2 in the air) /dt and f anthropic(t);
f out-gassed(t) and f absorbed(t) are not known !
The conjectured flows have been manipulated at will as shown by the huge changes in their values from an IPCC report to the following report.
QUOTE: “As said by benofhouston and me: you are looking at the wrong rate: the residence time is completely irrelevant for the calculation of the decay rate of a single shot or continuous supply of CO2 in the atmosphere. ”
ANSWER: If (CO2 in the air)(t)/ f absorbed(t) = lifetime is (more or less) constant, then you have a simple equation like dy/dt + y/(lifetime) = g(t) whose solutions are explained in elementary calculus textbooks.
The lifetime is then constrained by the four time series as the CO2 outgassed now has been buried or absorbed tens of years ago; this means a slowly decreasing delta13C of the natural part of the CO2 content of the air.
QUOTE: “It is like looking at the throughput of capital and goods through a factory (the turnover of capital and goods) to estimate the net gain or loss of your investment. You can double or halve the turnover, but that says next to nothing about what happens with the gain or loss of your capital at the end of the year…
Here a graph which shows the effect of a one-shot 100 GtC human CO2 into the pre-industrial 580 GtC atmosphere:”
ANSWER: The basic hypothesis for the use of linear network theory is that the network is linear !
A 100 Gt-C “human” one-shot is likely to cause strong non-linearities and is a useless fantasy; in this fantasy-world the relation (CO2 in the air)(t) / f absorbed(t) = 5 years would not hold.
Using such arguments you could “prove” that the Moon is about to fall on the Earth … unless you pay dearly to “save the planet” and forget common sense !
QUOTE: “The human fraction in the atmosphere (FA) immediately increases to 14% but that is rapidly reduced by the residence time which replaces the original “human” CO2 molecules by “natural” CO2 molecules from other reservoirs, mainly the (deep) oceans. FL is the human fraction in the ocean surface layer and tCA total carbon and nCA natural carbon in the atmosphere. All original human CO2 is gone in about 60 years, while still about 10% of the original peak in CO2 (100% caused by humans) is measurable after 160 years…
The measured response of the ocean-atmosphere carbon cycle in 1988 at 350 ppmv (60 ppmv above steady state) gives an e-fold decay rate of ~55 years:
http://www.john-daly.com/carbon.htm
ANSWER: What is to be considered is the simple problem (the equation at the top of this reply) constrained by the four monthly time series (CO2)(t) and its delta13C(t), f anthropic(t) and its delta13C(t). The solution is explained on cards n°4 and n°17. No need to make extravagant assumption(s) about “pulses “…
QUOTE: “The current net sink rate is ~2.15 ppmv for 110 ppmv above steady state which gives an e-fold decay rate of 110 ppmv / 2.15 ppmv/year = 51.2 years.
Looks like a quite linear response to me…”
ANSWER: The current net sink rate is about one fifth of the CO2 content of the air according to
(CO2 in the air)(t) / f absorbed(t) = 5 years.
Due to obvious physical and biological effects this has been so since say 1860: see papers by Pretzsch (München) comparing the growth of European forest (not managed plots) in the 1960’s and now, with some hints to 19th century observations and other papers referenced-to in note 19.
Its likely that f absorbed(t) went up from 315/5 = 63 ppm = 133 Gt-C in the 1960’s to 400/5 = 80 ppm = 170 Gt-C now; note that this f absorbed(t) does not take into account all the local absorption and respiration that take place inside the forest or in the field: the Mauna Loa observatory is at an altitude of 3400 m.
QUOTE: “The Bern model differs from the above single decay model (which lumps all sinks together), as that splits the total response in different sink speeds for different reservoirs, each with their own saturation level.
ANSWER: The compartment or reservoir models are nice toys but with many parameters (10 or more) unconstrained you can “prove” whatever you wish !
The very notion of “sink” starts from d(CO2 in the air) /dt= f anthropic(t) – sink(t); it is easy to plot sink(t) which, by the way is
sink(t) = f anthropic(t) – d(CO2 in the air) /dt = fanthropic(t) – k(T(t)- T0) – fanthropic(t) + CO2anthropic(t)/(lifetime)
sink(t) = CO2anthropic(t)/(lifetime) – k(T(t)- T0) or from figure 17-B about 24 ppm/5 – (1.45 + 1.6 AT) ppm = (3.35 – 1.6 AT) ppm or 7.1 Gt-C when the temperature anomaly AT from UAH-MSU is zero
Indeed (CO2in the air) = (CO2 anthropic) + (CO2 natural) and d(CO2in the air)/dt = d(CO2 anthropic)/dt + d(CO2 natural)/dt and
d(CO2natural(t))/dt = k(T(t)- T0) and d(CO2 anthropic(t))/dt + (CO2 anthropic(t))/lifetime = fanthropic(t)
But this simple exercise does not help to solve the constraints set by the delta13C time-series.
I insist that CO2anthropic(t) is here the real anthropic CO2 (with its applicable delta13C signature) not the ghosts or phantoms coming back to air after a long travel in the afterlife through the many compartments or reservoirs hypothesized by the poets or the mystics like Dante who have been given a guided tour in the Afterworld.
QUOTE: “For the ocean surface that is right: the ocean surface is in rapid equilibrium with the atmosphere, but the ocean’s DIC does change only with 10% of the change in the atmosphere.”
ANSWER: This very amazing assumption that the Revelle factor that strictly applies inside the water apply as well to the atmosphere is obviously falsified by figures 17C and D !
QUOTE: “Where the Bern model goes wrong is the expectation of a similar saturation in the deep oceans, for which is not the slightest sign. Vegetation is a lot slower in permanent uptake, but has no limit in uptake, as that is what we burn today…”
ANSWER: That the Bern or compartment models are meaningless and disproved by observations has been recently written by no less than James Hansen (our Faustian Bargain: http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2013/20130329_FaustianBargain.pdf) with poetical tones
“We suggest that the surge of fossil fuel use, mainly coal, since 2000 is a basic cause of the large increase of carbon uptake by the combined terrestrial and ocean carbon sinks. One mechanism by which fossil fuel emissions increase carbon uptake is by fertilizing the biosphere via provision of nutrients essential for tissue building, especially nitrogen, which plays a critical role in controlling net primary productivity and is limited in many ecosystems. Modeling and field studies confirm a major role of nitrogen deposition, working in concert with CO2 fertilization, in causing a large increase in net primary productivity of temperate and boreal forests. A plausible addition of 5 TgN/year from fossil fuels and net ecosystem productivity of 200 k-gC per kg N yields an annual carbon drawdown of 1 GtC/year, which is of the order of what is needed to explain the post-2000 anomaly in airborne CO2.”
Or translated into plain English: “all the carbon cycle myths we have been propagating since the 1960s are … “.

Reply to  Camille
May 16, 2015 12:25 pm

Camille,
Please, if you look at a reference to an article on a blog, always look at the comments below the article. Mine under that article are quite relevant…
The whole article was for pre-industrial times and mainly the carbon exchanges between middle layer and the deep oceans. The net result was a yearly loss of 0.5 GtC/year from the oceans to the atmosphere.
The current atmosphere is 110 ppmv above steady state. That pushes ~1 GtC/year net into vegetation, ~0.5 GtC/year into the ocean surface and ~3 GtC/year net into the deep oceans…

Reply to  Camille
May 17, 2015 12:18 pm

Dear Camille,
As others have already pointed out:
The five years used throughout the whole points 3, 4 and 17 is residence time. Residence time has nothing to do with an increase or decrease of CO2 in the atmosphere: it is about how long in average it takes for a single CO2 molecule in general to be replaced by a CO2 molecule of another reservoir. That is in formula:
residence time = amount in the atmosphere / throughput or
800 GtC / 150 GtC/year = 5.33 years
The e-fold decay rate is what your formula shows for some extra CO2 above equilibrium to bring back the total CO2 back to equilibrium (for a linear process):
e-fold decay rate = driving force / net sink rate
110 ppmv / 2.15 ppmv/year = 51.2 years
You are using the 5 years residence time in all your calculations which doesn’t change the total amount of CO2 in the atmosphere with one gram per year, while you should have used the e-fold decay rate.
As Willis already said, that is such a fundamental error which shows a complete lack of understanding of a feedback system, which makes it very difficult to believe other points you did bring up, which may be quite valid.
Further:
You mean that d(CO2 in the air) /dt= f out-gassed(t) + f anthropic(t) – f absorbed(t) is 0 if the right member is zero; thank you !
I did mean that the steady state is at:
dCO2/dt = f out-gassed(t) – f absorbed(t)
where f out-gassed(t) = f absorbed(t) and thus dCO2/dt = 0
thus without human emissions.
With f anthropic(t) or f volcanic(t) or f T(t) the steady state is disturbed and that will influence both f out-gassed(t) and f absorbed(t) and thus dCO2/dt, where the whole system tries to restore the dynamical equilibrium. For T(t) that is 8 ppmv/°C to reach a new steady state. That is all.
The MWP-LIA cooling was good for a drop of ~6 ppmv CO2. The warming from the LIA to current times is thus good for ~6 ppmv extra in the atmosphere. That is all. By far not the 110 ppmv we see today.
Steady state is simply the basic equilibrium where a process strives towards. Nothing to do with myths. It can be calculated and the net sink or source rate of such a process can be calculated according to the process characteristics and the height of the disturbance.
For seasonal temperature changes, that gives about 5 ppmv/°C, mainly from NH extra-tropical vegetation
For year to year variability (1-3 years), that gives 4-5 ppmv/°C, mainly from tropical vegetation
For very long term changes (MWP-LIA, glacial-interglacial changes), that gives ~8 ppmv/°C, mainly from the deep oceans.
There is not “A” temperature of the oceans but a constantly changing distribution of temperatures and of partial pressures of the gases
and
But again as shown on figure 17-D the CO2 in the air and in the oceans is far from being uniform: it is anywhere between 280 µatm and 430 µatm in the water, not uniform at 290 µatm !
So what? One can calculate an area weighted average for the oceans, as was done by Feely e.a. over all seasons (which gives average 7 µatm more in the atmosphere than in the ocean surface). The weighted average over a year gives a net absorption of the oceans of several GtC.
Of course the pCO2 of the oceans is not uniform, to the contrary: due to the large temperature/pCO2 differences there is a continuous CO2 flux between the equatorial upwelling zones and the polar sink zones of ~40 GtC/year. But that is mainly circulation. Only the difference between source and sink is important: currently quite more sink than source.
Henry’s law for small changes in temperature is quite linear. The deviation for 1°C is less than 3%. The warming 1960-2015 was ~0.6°C…
You seem to refer to Takahashi’s data; as the exchange of CO2 between air and water is strongly dependent upon the speed of the wind
The ΔpCO2 between oceans and atmosphere is the driving force and that depends of Henry’s law. Wind speed only enhances the exchange speed, that doesn’t influence the equilibrium itself.
The d(CO2 in the air) /dt is plotted on figure 4-A; its integral is of course exactly the function (CO2)(t)
Of course that is, but the variability of dCO2/dt is directly caused by the variability of T, mainly its influence on vegetation (as the opposite CO2 and δ13C changes show). That is what gives the high correlation, even if there was no slope at al in one of the variables.
T is not responsible for the offset and slope of dCO2/dt, as vegetation is a net sink for CO2 over periods longer than 2-3 years. The offset and slope is from a different process.
As dCO2/dt(emissions) is twice the offset and increase of dCO2/dt(atmosphere), I think that human emissions are a better candidate:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/temp_dco2_d13C_mlo.jpg
The integral of dT/dt is of course the increase in T (~0.6°C) and its influence on CO2 ~5 ppmv. That is all.
and
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/dco2_em6.jpg
where the red line is the calculated increase in the atmosphere based on the net sink rate caused by the ΔpCO2 between atmosphere and oceans for the ocean temperature of each year.
Henry’s law has little to do with quantities, it is based on pressure (differences). It doesn’t matter if you shake a bottle of Coke with 0.5 or 1.0 or 1.5 l content from the same batch: you will find the same CO2 pressure under the screw cap for the same temperature. Henry’s law says 8 ppmv/°C that is all at equilibrium (for a flask sample) or steady state (for the oceans). No matter if there is 100 times more carbon species in the (deep) oceans.
f out-gassed(t) and f absorbed(t) are not known !
No, but that has not the slightest interest:
f out-gassed(t) minus f absorbed(t) is exactly known and that is all we need to know. The natural balance is already 55 years more sink that source. Thus nature is not the cause of the increase in the atmosphere. Humans are…
It doesn’t matter if one year the natural balance was 150 GtC in, 155 GtC out and next year it was 210 GtC in, 214 out. In all cases it was more out than in, with some year by year variability. Besides a small influence of temperature, nature did contribute zero, nada, nothing to the CO2 levels in the atmosphere…
A 100 Gt-C “human” one-shot is likely to cause strong non-linearities and is a useless fantasy; in this fantasy-world the relation (CO2 in the air)(t) / f absorbed(t) = 5 years would not hold.
Camille, all what you demonstrate here is a complete lack of basic knowledge of control theory. It is quite normal to use a step response to see how a system responds. In this case I used a step response to show you the difference between the residence time and the e-fold decay rate for a one-time pulse of CO2 in the atmosphere, but I fear that you still don’t get it. I have done the same exercise with the human emissions over the past 160 years and the measured CO2 levels in the atmosphere:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/fract_level_emiss.jpg
As the calculated and observed increase in the atmosphere are quite identical, I suppose that my interpretation of a linear response of the CO2 cycle (in the oceans) is not far off.
The current net sink rate is about one fifth of the CO2 content of the air according to
(CO2 in the air)(t) / f absorbed(t) = 5 years.

That is the crux of the matter: the 150 GtC in and out is not the net sink rate it is the source rate and the sink rate of a cycle, which doesn’t change the CO2 content of the atmosphere. Only the net difference between released and absorbed does change the CO2 content of the atmosphere… No matter if the natural cycle has halved or doubled in the past decades…
I insist that CO2anthropic(t) is here the real anthropic CO2 (with its applicable delta13C signature) not the ghosts or phantoms coming back to air after a long travel in the afterlife through the many compartments or reservoirs
Camille, there is nothing magic about the dilution of the δ13C signal from human emissions: what goes into the deep oceans is the isotopic composition of today, what comes out of the deep is the isotopic composition of ~1000 years ago. That makes that only about 1/3rd of the original human emissions (in composition) remain in the atmosphere, the other 2/3rd is simply exchanged by CO2 from the deep oceans. Still 100% of the increase (in mass) is caused by human emissions… We can use that to calculate the deep ocean – atmosphere exchanges:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/deep_ocean_air_zero.jpg
This very amazing assumption that the Revelle factor that strictly applies inside the water apply as well to the atmosphere is obviously falsified by figures 17C and D
Figures 17C and D don’t show anything about the Revelle factor. The work of Bates e.a. does:
http://www.tos.org/oceanography/archive/27-1_bates.pdf
Moreover, if you take the increase of DIC at the longest series (Bermuda and Hawaii), you can see that DIC increases with about 10% of the increase in the atmosphere over the same period.
And some chemistry which shows the background of the Revelle factor:
http://www.eng.warwick.ac.uk/staff/gpk/Teaching-undergrad/es427/Exam%200405%20Revision/Ocean-chemistry.pdf
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I am in a working group in Flanders/Belgium, which has good ties to the French speaking group which has published a similar manifesto in book form: “15 vérités qui dérangent”. I did comment on similar errors about the residence time as in your manifesto, which resembles each other. Are there some ties between the two groups (via Drieu Godefridi)?

May 12, 2015 9:49 am

Not being a scientist, what would I know?
But it’s quite clear that Poitou and Bréon got increasingly desperate as the paper went on. They were even reduced at one stage to “It’s a well-know fact …” usually the last resort of someone looking out from his corner across a sea of paint!

The other Phil
May 12, 2015 9:53 am

dbstealey made a good point, and I am sorry my response was a little snippy.
Point 5 is dependent on the fit of three sinusoids, then observing that we may be in for a colder period based upon the graph.
This approach has several problems. First, note that the displayed graph doesn’t even purport to be the actual curve. It would be nice to see it.
The authors didn’t provide a link (that I saw) to the derivation of the curve, so it is difficult to respond precisely. If they didn’t explain what they did, I have to make some, hopefully reasonable, assumptions, but it would be best if they could identify the analysis, so one doesn’t have to make guesses.
A sinsusoid has three parameters, period, amplitude and slope. Are any of them constrained? One hopes the slope of the 60 year cycle is constrained to zero, but they do not say. If there are no constraints, we have nine possible parameters for the three sinusoids, plus three weights, for a total of 11 parameters (the weights add to one, so there are only two free wight paramters). It seems likely the period of the 60 year cycle is constrained, and I hope the slope, but I do not know. That means we have 9, 10 or 11 parameters. As John von Neumann famously said
With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk.
The authors seem to have at least 9 parameters, of course they can fit the data. That doesn’t make it a great model.
The authors suggest that the 60 year cycle comes from the motion of the earth relative to the center of the solar system. However, they do not state whether they derived the amplitude from a model of the process, or simply allowed the fitting process to determine the amplitude. It makes a big difference.
When summing multiple curves, it is not unusual for one to dominate. The 60 year cycle appears to be the dominant one, but the 1000 year and the 210 year cycles contribute a lot. They concede they have no physical explanation of the 1000 year cycle, and I don’t see that they even mention the 210 year cycle.
You simply cannot predict that temperatures are going to get colder based upon a model which is simply a mathematical fit of semi-arbitrary curves. If they are not arbitrary, then they need to show the evidence.
There are justifications for using the sum of multiple curves without physical justification. The insurance industry uses a fit of ten exponentials for certain loss data. While I have some trouble with the approach, my concern is mitigated because they never, ever use them for extrapolation, only interpolation.
This curve is being used for extrapolation. It needs far more justification than has been given.

DD More
Reply to  The other Phil
May 12, 2015 2:45 pm

Lets take a closer look at the temperature records: Figure 2-A suggests natural cycles of periods 60 years (found as well by Macias et al [18]), 210 years and 1000 years plus modulation by the El Niño events and by some volcanic events (Krakatoa 1883, Katmai 1912, ..). Figure 2-B suggests that since 1979 there has been a jump of at most 0.3°C during the great El Niño of 1997-98; (see figure 15-A showing that El Niño paces the global temperatures as the water of the warm pool is redistributed to the oceanic surface layer at higher latitudes).Those oscillations exist since millennia and are not related to CO2.

Footnote 18 – [18] Diego Macias, Adolf Stips, Elisa Garcia-Gorriz Application of the Singular Spectrum Analysis Technique to Study the Recent Hiatus on the Global Surface Temperature Record PLOS ONE 1 September 2014 , Volume 9 Issue 9 e107222 (free access)
Google search – http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0107222
You may not have to believe everything on the Internet, but with a little reading comprehension it does not take much to find where they said it.

The other Phil
Reply to  DD More
May 12, 2015 7:23 pm

DD More, did you read the paper? It claims to find some cycles, but it does not support the 210 year or the 1000 year cycle. Unless I missed it in which case, point it out. The reference seems to be simply to the 60 year cycle, and event hat isn’t clear. I accept that there may be a 60 year cycle due to the moving center of the solar system argument, what I questioned before, and still question, is a natural explanation for a 210 or a 1000 year cycle.

Mark
Reply to  The other Phil
May 12, 2015 2:54 pm

You are wrong. A sinusoid has only 2 parameters -amplitude and period. The “weighting factor”you allude to is the amplitude. Three sinusoids plus a constant has 7 parameters not 9, 10 or 11.

The other Phil
Reply to  Mark
May 12, 2015 7:11 pm

It isn’t clear whether the slope has to be flat or not. I assumed it didn’t have to be (although the 60 year cycle better be so constrained.) All of this is speculation when they don’t identify the parameters, or the fitting routine. In any case, there are a lot of parameters for a relatively small set of data.

The other Phil
Reply to  Mark
May 12, 2015 7:12 pm

Plus, you ignored the weights. You have three weights, one constrained so two additional parameters.

Chris Stoughton
May 12, 2015 10:13 am

Link [5] seems to be not going to the correct place. Perhaps you intended this link?http://arxiv.org/abs/0707.1161

MarkW
May 12, 2015 11:47 am

He did mention the satellite data. He also mentioned the Brest tidal gauge.
Don’t you look stupid now.

May 12, 2015 11:51 am

Reference links in text seem to be absolutely referring to some temporary copy. E.g. “[61]” links to:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/Users/Anthony/AppData/Local/Temp/#_ftn61_2238
I guess they should link to the reference list at the end of the article.

The other Phil
May 12, 2015 12:06 pm

Inconvenient truth #12 is a good example of why this needs a lot of work.
As stated:
The sum of the surfaces of the Arctic and Antarctic icepacks is about constant, their trends are phase-opposite; hence their total albedo is about constant.
It is roughly true that the trends are phase opposite. However, the claim that the “sum of the surfaces” (presumably, they mean area) is about constant isn’t correct. Check the excellent seas ice graphs linked in the reference pages here, The area ranges for about 18 to 27 million square kilometers each season, far lower than the variation of each hemisphere separately, but such a range cannot be characterized as “about constant”.
It goes on to say “hence their total albedo is about constant” implying that the ice area is all that is needed to determine albedo. Even if we ignore the fact that an over 50% variation is not constant, one couldn’t even conclude that a constant combined area would imply constant albedo. As others have noted, the Antarctic ice extends further from the pole than the Arctic. In the discussion on page 25, the author notes the existence of low altitude clouds, which will affect the albedo. One hopes we have some satellites measuring this directly, but whatever the case, we need a citation for this claim, one cannot simply assert it.
The eexchange between Bardinet and Poitou & Bréon adds to the confusion. For some purposes, volume may be more important than area, but not when discussing albedo. Poitou & Bréon refer to “spring” which is an understandable mistake from a lay person, not one I expect form a scientist. Surely someone working on global issues knows to avoid the hemiscentric confusing term.

Reply to  The other Phil
May 12, 2015 12:27 pm

Let us also not forget winter albedo from snow cover on land is more important that floating ice cover.

David A
Reply to  Stephen Rasey
May 12, 2015 10:12 pm

Not necessarily when discussing the earth’s energy balance. It is the mean change of albedo that is relevant.
Regarding Sea Ice, the SH increase overwhelms the NH decrease for numerous reasons.

May 12, 2015 12:08 pm

Monsieur Bardinet, that was an excellent tour de force.
Can’t lose track of this post.
Please list under: Climate Fail Files
BTW. There is a star rating on each post. (average and number of ratings)
Is there any way to list/search posts by average and number of ratings?

May 12, 2015 12:39 pm

Agree with several contributors here – very uncomfortable with the attempt to undermine our basic understanding of the greenhouse idea by appeal to some limited interpretation/misapplication of thermodynamic laws.
Rather a pity, since at first read this is quite painstaking work well enough laid out to require step-by-step refutation, rather than the contemptuous dismissal it will likely receive.
I don’t think many lukewarmers, and probably few out-and-out sceptics, will find much to use in this document, although taken individually there are some telling points (largely covered by other WUWT contributors). But – I think these authors deserve to be encouraged, rather than sneered at.

ulriclyons
May 12, 2015 12:45 pm

“5. The changes of the Mean Global Temperature are more or less sinusoidal with a well defined 60 year period. We are at a maximum of the sinusoid(s) and hence the next years should be cooler as has been observed after 1950.”
It is dominated by the AMO signal, which is more regularly a ~69yr envelope, and so it would be cooling from the mid 2030’s, and reaching the coolest point in the mid 2040’s. Scafetta is barking up the wrong tree on the planetary ordering of the solar forcing. The period is determined by a Jupiter-Saturn-Uranus quadrature series, which returns in four steps of 69yrs, and a single ~41.6yr step to resolve at the regular synodic 3 body return of 317.67yrs that Desmond King-Hele noted and studied. The effect of each quadrature can be confirmed by NAO status and CET temperatures in the few years around each event, including the remarkably warm 1686 in the middle of the Maunder Minimum.
There is no 1000 yr cycle, and cycles do not exist as such beyond the sunspot cycle itself with regards to the solar forcing, it is rather an event series, with period and quasi period return periods of events. Like solar minima roughly every ten solar cycles. The frequency of colder stadial like periods through the Holocene like the LIA and Dark Ages are highly variable, so there isn’t even a periodic event return at that frequency.

knr
May 12, 2015 1:01 pm

23 There a UN body and therefore lie has natural has people breath
24 Without CAGW they simply have no reason to exist , and turkeys do not vote for Christmas

Ralph Kramden
May 12, 2015 1:47 pm

According to the official statements of the IPCC “Science is clear” and non-believers cannot be trusted.
“It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are. If it doesn’t agree with observations it’s wrong.” – R.P. Feynman

May 12, 2015 2:41 pm

This was an excellent article and well worth the read. I did read all of the comments and with some exceptions found many the critics to be more interested in disparaging than informing.

May 12, 2015 2:52 pm

Reblogged this on Public Secrets and commented:
I believe my favorite is number seven: ” In some geological periods the CO2 content of the air has been up to 20 times today’s content, and there has been no runaway temperature increase.” Funny how the planet survived — if only they’d had computer models back then!

The other Phil
Reply to  Phineas Fahrquar
May 12, 2015 7:25 pm

That one seems very solid. Coincidentally, I had been looking at long-term temp trends a few days ago, and had exactly the same thought.

May 12, 2015 2:52 pm

This is the finest essay I have ever seen at WUWT. Organized, defined, thoroughly supported; even before mentioning the interesting and informative and indisputable content. I applaud you, Sir, for the exemplary effort.

May 12, 2015 2:56 pm

jipebe29: Congratulations on this tour de force essay.
May I ask with regard to “Truth No. 1” in the equation
Tp/To = (P/Po)^[(R/u)/(Cp+Ch)]
what is the value and derivation of Ch?
I work the value of Ch as 255/288 = (0.53/1)^[8.314/0.0289)/(1/Ch)] = ~ 1500
but could you tell me the source/derivation of this value for Ch of the heating of the top of the troposphere by condensation of water vapor & absorption of solar IR?

Camille
Reply to  Hockey Schtick
May 13, 2015 5:23 am

A polytropic process proceeds with an apparent constant heat capacity Ch and
d’Q= Ch dT = Cp dT –R T dP/P
When going from T0 to T the changes of the internal energy and of the enthalpy are Cv (T-T0) and Cp (T-T0) while the heat transferred to the gas is Ch (T-T0); it is zero for an adiabatic and RT ln(P/P0) for a constant temperature process.
From Ch dT = Cp dT –R T dP/P we get T/T0 = (P/P0)^(R/(Cp-Ch)) where {T0, P0} can be the characteristics of the radiating layer at a distance of an optical thickness one from the top of the air or the characteristics of the surface like {288 K, 1 atm. or 1013 hPa}.
As dP= – rho g dz or dP/P = – g/(R Tv) dz and taking T instead of the virtual temperature Tv of the humid air (a minor effect) we get
(Cp- Ch) dT/T = R (-g / (RT)) dz = -g dz/T
hence T(z)-T0 = -g/(Cp-Ch) (z-z0);
for the usual gradient of -6.5 K/km g=9.8 m/s² Cp=1005 J/kg and Ch = -509 J/kg ; indeed the air is heated in altitude by the absorption of solar infrared by the water vapour and by the carbon dioxide (for a half say 1K/day) and by condensation of the water vapor for the second half (say 1K/day).
That’s why we took absolute value of Ch in the formulas as |Ch|.
Ch does not need to be constant and with more water vapor in the air there, there is more warming of the upper atmosphere and what the IPCC calls a “negative lapse rate feedback” is easily de deduced: if you increase water vapour content and |Ch| by 10%, then the gradient become 9.8/(1005 + 560), and the lapse rate decrease from 6,47 to 6,26 K/km ; assuming a constant temperature at about 5 km the surface temperature could decrease by 5 km x 0,21 K/km = 1,05 K.
The saturated gradient between 4.5 K/km and 6 K/km is often mentioned in textbooks but is valid only inside the clouds.
T0 can be taken as more or less constant near 255 K while P0 is latitude dependent near 400 mbar at the equator, and near the ground in the polar regions (as there there is very little water vapour and the optical thickness of the air on most of the thermal infrared spectrum is low ).
Miskolczi has shown that both the medium infrared OLR and the far infrared OLR ( 10 to 720 cm-1) are somewhat independent of the latitude.
About the polytropics see for instance p. 36 of V. A. Belinskii Dynamic Meteorology Ogiz Moscou 1948, The Israël program for scientific translations 1961, 592 pages or more recent textbooks
and
reference 17 Sorokhtin O. G., G.V.Chilingar, L.F. Khilyuk Global Warming and Global Cooling Evolution of the Climate of the Earth Elsevier 2007, 313 pages who uses those relations between temperature and pressure to successfully compute the unfolding of the glaciations and de-glaciations and the early climate of the Earth billions of years ago.

Brandon Gates
May 12, 2015 3:04 pm

Most of these points have been rebutted a thousand times. Apparently at least 1,001 are required.

1. The Mean Global Temperature has been stable since 1997, despite a continuous increase of the CO2 content of the air: how could one say that the increase of the CO2 content of the air is the cause of the increase of the temperature?

Three reasons:
a) Temperature has risen since the beginning of the industrial revolution coinciding with a rise in CO2, and particularly since 1950 after which there was a marked increase in both the rate of emissions and CO2 accumulation in the atmosphere.
b) Time evolution of radiative forcing from CO2 has been observed directly from both satellite- and ground-based instruments in the spectral bands predicted by line-by-line radiative models fed data from laboratory analysis of CO2.
c) Internal variability is still dominant over short-term (annual/decadal) timeframes.

2. 57% of the cumulative anthropic emissions since the beginning of the Industrial revolution have been emitted since 1997, but the temperature has been stable. How to uphold that anthropic CO2 emissions (or anthropic cumulative emissions) cause an increase of the Mean Global Temperature?
[Note 1: since 1880 the only one period where Global Mean Temperature and CO2 content of the air increased simultaneously has been 1978-1997. From 1910 to 1940, the Global Mean Temperature increased at about the same rate as over 1978-1997, while CO2 anthropic emissions were almost negligible. Over 1950-1978 while CO2 anthropic emissions increased rapidly the Global Mean Temperature dropped.

See point (c) above. Add: it’s no mystery to climate literature that sometimes internal variability is additive to CO2 trends, sometimes subtractive. +/- 0.25 K deviations from long-term mean trends are indeed not unusual, nor are they fatal to the concept of CO2-driven AGW since they can be traced to well-documented, cyclical, pseudo-periodic ocean/atmospheric heat exchanges. AMO, PDO and ENSO are three of the most-often mentioned drivers of annual/decadal fluctuations which easily swamp CO2’s long-term external forcing signal.

From Vostok and other ice cores we know that it’s the increase of the temperature that drives the subsequent increase of the CO2 content of the air, thanks to ocean out-gassing, and not the opposite. The same process is still at work nowadays] (discussion: p. 7)

Yes, the outgassing process is still operative today because the laws of physics did not suddenly decide to change. What ice-core and other proxy temperature reconstructions also demonstrate by way of more complete analysis is that CO2 and methane outgassings amplify the temperature response to external forcings. In the case of the 100 kyr ice age cycles, that forcing is high northern latitude summer insolation driven by predictable changes in Earth’s orbital and rotational parameters — aka, Milankovitch theory — which has the intial effect of melting glaciers, thereby reducing albedo at those latitudes. Those changes alone do not provide a sufficient change in the planet’s radiation budget to cause the observed temperature swings. Nor do they fully explain the sawtooth-shaped temperature curves whereby it is observed that temperature increases over 10-20 kyrs tend to be far steeper — nearly vertical during major deglaciation events — whereas declines from such a peak tend to exhibit a shallower slope.
The sawtooth wave form is particularly consistent with the so-called “greenhouse” effect due to thermal radiative gasses which reduce the rate of heat loss.

3. The amount of CO2 of the air from anthropic emissions is today no more than 6% of the total CO2 in the air (as shown by the isotopic ratios 13C/12C) instead of the 25% to 30% said by IPCC. (discussion: p. 9)

The notes for this argument are almost too confused for me to follow. First there’s this: Note that the non-anthropic (or natural) delta13C becomes very slowly more negative (from -6.5 per mil preindustrial to about -7 per mil now) …
… which is THE signature of burning fossilized plant matter, followed by:
… with the replacement of CO2 molecules absorbed by the vegetation by molecules out-gassed from soils by the oxidation of the organic material of plants grown years to centuries before: the delta13C of the air was then slightly less negative.
… which argument is given without a whit of substantiation and not a proposed causal mechanism in sight.
The notes conclude: The comment by Poitou & Bréon assumes that the air inclusions recovered in the ice cores have the same CO2 content as the air on the surface at the time of the closing of the last air paths between ice crystals: this is unlikely and debated.
Unlikely? What in the heck else would be more likely trapped in those air inclusions? Debated yes … by people clutching at straws in an attempt to avoid the obvious.

4. The lifetime of CO2 molecules in the atmosphere is about 5 years instead of the 100 years said by IPCC. (discussion: p. 10)

This conflates the average lifetime of a single molecule with the decay of atmospheric concentration following an increase above equilibrium levels. The notes on this point are self-contradictory: This derivation of [CO2](t) does not assume any given equilibrium between ingress and egress …
… followed almost immediately by: foutgassing(t) – fabsorbed(t) = k (T(t)- T0)
… which is an equilibrium formulation.

5. The changes of the Mean Global Temperature are more or less sinusoidal with a well defined 60 year period. We are at a maximum of the sinusoid(s) and hence the next years should be cooler as has been observed after 1950. (discussion: p. 12)

True, but fails to explain why the longer-term mean about which those cycles fluctuate is trending up other than curve-fitting an “approximation by three sinusoids of periods 1000 years, 210 years and 60 years,” and mentioning something about the position of the Sun relative to the centre mass of the Solar System. This is not an “inconvenient climate truth”, it’s data-mining.
There are some not-bonkers researchers working on correlations of length of day (LOD) anomalies with AMO, PDO and ENSO, but those arguments are backed by plausible physical explanations … and constrained by them.

6. The absorption of the radiation from the surface by the CO2 of the air is nearly saturated. Measuring with a spectrometer what is left from the radiation of a broadband infrared source (say a black body heated at 1000°C) after crossing the equivalent of some tens or hundreds of meters of the air, shows that the main CO2 bands (4.3 µm and 15 µm) have been replaced by the emission spectrum of the CO2 which is radiated at the temperature of the trace-gas. (discussion: p. 14)

Oh dear. Radiation extinction over a given path-length is not “CO2 saturation”. Extinction is, however, the primary mechanism by which the so-called “greenhouse effect” operates.

7. In some geological periods the CO2 content of the air has been up to 20 times today’s content, and there has been no runaway temperature increase! Why would our CO2 emissions have a cataclysmic impact? The laws of Nature are the same whatever the place and the time. (discussion: p. 17)

However the configuration of the planet is not the same whatever the place and time.

8. The sea level is increasing by about 1.3 mm/year according to the data of the tide-gauges (after correction of the emergence or subsidence of the rock to which the tide gauge is attached, nowadays precisely known thanks to high precision GPS instrumentation); no acceleration has been observed during the last decades; the raw measurements at Brest since 1846 and at Marseille since the 1880s are slightly less than 1.3 mm/year. (discussion: p. 18)

And yet landed ice mass loss is accelerating. Where is the water going? Not into the atmosphere according to this article.

9. The “hot spot” in the inter-tropical high troposphere is, according to all “models” and to the IPCC reports, the indubitable proof of the water vapour feedback amplification of the warming: it has not been observed and does not exist. (discussion: p. 20)

The tropical tropospheric hot spot prediction is not based on water vapour feedback to warming, and it is especially not unique to warming due to any other GHG forcing. In short, it is not a “fingerprint” of AGW. However, it is an expectation of warming by any mechanism, including by way of natural mechanisms such as increased solar output. The primary mechanism is increased atmospheric convection from the surface. Observations of the tropical troposphere are not in good agreement with each other, so declaring this a fatal modelling flaw is not a tenable argument.
Calling it a problem for CO2 radiative forcing is bizarrely wrong.

10. The water vapour content of the air has been roughly constant since more than 50 years but the humidity of the upper layers of the troposphere has been decreasing: the IPCC foretold the opposite to assert its “positive water vapour feedback” with increasing CO2. The observed “feedback” is negative. (discussion: p.22)

The notes to this argument state: Figure 10-A Plot of the water vapor content of the air 1988 2009 (global average) from the M VAP-M archive in kg/m² or mm of water …
Water vapour content is largely a function of temperature, particularly ocean surface and near-surface temperature. The oceans are frigid at depth, and the rate at which those cool waters are exposed to the surface is not constant. The balance of the note goes on to ignore:
[Poitou & Bréon] IPCC has foreseen an increase of the water vapor content of the air and this has been observed. Climate Sceptics who are trying to deceive the public often show the water content of the high troposphere as if it was the whole atmosphere. The trend in the high atmosphere which is very dry is of course different of the trend for the whole atmosphere.
… by throwing up lots of plots showing wv content in the upper layers of the atmosphere.

11. The maximum surface of the Antarctic ice-pack has been increasing every year since we have satellite observations. (discussion: p. 24)

Every other mass of ice of equal or greater significance has been decreasing over the same interval.

12. The sum of the surfaces of the Arctic and Antarctic icepacks is about constant, their trends are phase-opposite; hence their total albedo is about constant. (discussion: p. 25)

Since 1950, NCAR/NCEP reanalysis data show Arctic albedo at or above 65N decreasing at twice the rate as the Antarctic is increasing over the same latitudes. Sea ice is not the only driver of albedo.

13. The measurements from the 3000 oceanic ARGO buoys since 2003 may suggest a slight decrease of the oceanic heat content between the surface and a depth 700 m with very significant regional differences. (discussion: p. 27)

Mention of significant regional difference may suggest more abject cherry-picking …
Figure 13-B Ocean Heat content of the North-Atlantic (30°N-65°N) from 1955 to 1st Q 2014.
… but it’s always good to check.

14. The observed outgoing longwave emission (or thermal infrared) of the globe is increasing, contrary to what models say on a would-be “radiative imbalance”; the “blanket” effect of CO2 or CH4 “greenhouse gases” is not seen. (discussion:p. 29)

Ponder the meaning of the Stefan-Boltzmann relationship mentioned in the next point: j = σεT⁴

15. The Stefan Boltzmann formula does not apply to gases, as they are neither black bodies, nor grey bodies: why does the IPCC community use it for gases ? (discussion: p. 30)

Black and grey bodies are theoretical constructs useful for teaching and for making approximations. When dead-nuts fidelity to reality matters, everyone — including climate modelers — remembers that ε is not constant for all materials at any given wavelength. Hence, non-grey radiative transfer codes which go line by line.

16. The trace gases absorb the radiation of the surface and radiate at the temperature of the air which is, at some height, most of the time slightly lower that of the surface. The trace-gases cannot “heat the surface“, according to the second principle of thermodynamics which prohibits heat transfer from a cooler body to a warmer body. (discussion: p. 32)

This has already been beaten to death in this thread by others. The short rebuttal is that the 2nd law does not preclude a warmer body from absorbing energy from a cooler one. It only stipulates that net energy movement will always be in the direction of the warmer body to the cooler one. The word NET is the key here.

17. The temperatures have always driven the CO2 content of the air, never the reverse. Nowadays the net increment of the CO2 content of the air follows very closely the inter-tropical temperature anomaly. (discussion: p. 33)

This is basically a repeat of previous points about Vostok ice cores.

18. The CLOUD project at the European Center for Nuclear Research is probing the Svensmark-Shaviv hypothesis on the role of cosmic rays modulated by the solar magnetic field on the low cloud coverage; the first and encouraging results have been published in Nature. (discussion: p. 36)

And the fatal problem for AGW is … what?

19. Numerical “Climate models” are not consistent regarding cloud coverage which is the main driver of the surface temperatures. Project Earthshine (Earthshine is the ghostly glow of the dark side of the Moon) has been measuring changes of the terrestrial albedo in relation to cloud coverage data; according to cloud coverage data available since 1983, the albedo of the Earth has decreased from 1984 to 1998, then increased up to 2004 in sync with the Mean Global Temperature. (discussion: p. 37)

This is a climate modelling issue, not a fundamental challenge to GHG radiative forcing. An aside: one of the reasons that clouds modulate temperature so effectively is not just the albedo increase which bounces dowelling short wave radiation back into space, but because they radiate IR back to the surface thus reducing the net rate of thermal radiative loss.

20. The forecasts of the “climate models” are diverging more and more from the observations. A model is not a scientific proof of a fact and if proven false by observations (or falsified) it must be discarded, or audited and corrected. We are still waiting for the IPCC models to be discarded or revised; but alas IPCC uses the models financed by the taxpayers both to “prove” attributions to greenhouse gas and to support forecasts of doom. (discussion: p. 40)

The IPCC is well aware of the limitations of the various models used in their publications. Those limitations are openly discussed not only in IPCC publications, but primary literature itself. They are constantly being “audited” and corrected in peer-reviewed literature.
A forward-looking AOGCM is not used to “prove” CO2-driven AGW. Evidence of that comes mainly from past observation.

21. As said by IPCC in its TAR (2001) “we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.” Has this state of affairs changed since 2001? Surely not for scientific reasons. (discussion: p. 43)

I’m not aware that anything has changed. That inherent unpredictability is one of the better arguments I can think of for a policy of no-change. But then again, I’m a rational thinking person who holds to the notion that greater uncertainty should be treated as an inherently greater perceived risk.

22. Last but not least the IPCC is neither a scientific organization nor an independent organization: the summary for policy makers, the only part of the report read by international organizations, politicians and media is written under the very close supervision of the representative of the countries and of the non-governmental pressure groups.
The governing body of the IPCC is made of a minority of scientists almost all of them promoters of the environmentalist ideology, and a majority of state representatives and of non-governmental green organizations. (discussion: p. 46)

I don’t consider this one an “inconvenient climate truth”. To me it reads like opinion masquerading as fact.

MarkW
Reply to  Brandon Gates
May 12, 2015 3:46 pm

1) Only a few years ago, we were being told that CO2 had completely swamped all internal variations. This occurred at a time when many of us were claiming that at least part of the warming after the late 1970’s was from the warm cycle of the PDO and AMO.
7) You really believe that a different configuration of the continents would be sufficient to completely compensate for CO2 being 20 times current levels? If that was true, then you have just admitted that CO2 is at best, a bit player in climate.
9) The evidence that land ice loss is accelerating is marginal at best.
I can only handle so much BS at a single sitting.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  MarkW
May 12, 2015 5:25 pm

MarkW,

1) Only a few years ago, we were being told that CO2 had completely swamped all internal variations.

Every day, folks here make vague references to things they’ve “been told”.

This occurred at a time when many of us were claiming that at least part of the warming after the late 1970’s was from the warm cycle of the PDO and AMO.

Gee, I wonder where you got such ideas? Oh, here’s a thought — from climate modellers: http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/1520-0493%281969%29097%3C0739:CATOC%3E2.3.CO;2
Date on that paper is 1969.

7) You really believe that a different configuration of the continents would be sufficient to completely compensate for CO2 being 20 times current levels?

I believe that personal incredulity coupled with a strawman argument is not a good argument.

If that was true, then you have just admitted that CO2 is at best, a bit player in climate.

“Complete compensation” is your argument not mine. It’s REAL easy to “falsify” a position you’ve concocted for that express purpose.
Not every temperature wiggle in the paleo record is understood in terms of what CO2 is doing, and indeed, not every temperature wiggle is understood, period. Further back in time the record goes, the greater the uncertainty gets. This is science of a very old and complex system which has undergone countless changes, not gradeschool chemistry lab. But let’s have a look. Here’s temperature over the past 500 million years:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/All_palaeotemps.svg/800px-All_palaeotemps.svg.png
And here are the estimated CO2 concentrations over the same interval:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Phanerozoic_Carbon_Dioxide.png
Let’s do some math now. Average CO2 concentration from 1960-1990 was 333 ppmv. So for 8,000 ppmv 500 million years ago, we get 5.35 * ln(8,000/333) * 0.8 = 13.6 °C. The temperature plot shows ~14 °C.
For today, that calculation is 5.35 * ln(400/333) * 0.8 = 0.8 °C (not a typo, just coincidence). HADCRUT4 for 2014 was 0.57 °C, or 0.23 °C shy of this too-simple, but illustrative, model.
So, today and 500 million years ago according to these data, the relationship works pretty well. It’s not always the case everywhere because CO2 is not the ONLY player. And no, not THE dominant player when one considers events like large bolide impacts and other extraordinary events which are not happening today and therefore do not provide relevant, direct comparisons.

9) The evidence that land ice loss is accelerating is marginal at best.

And yet research showing CO2 20 times higher than present levels millions of years ago is not marginal. You believe proxy temperature reconstructions from 500 million years ago but not mass balance calculations derived by measurements taken with modern instrumentation …. why?

I can only handle so much BS at a single sitting.

Then you understand exactly my feeling as I responded to all 23 points in the OP.

Reply to  MarkW
May 12, 2015 5:58 pm

Brandon,
Here’s some arithmetic for you:
Mean atmospheric CO2 content during the Cambrian Period: ~4500 ppm
Mean surface temperature during the same: ~21 °C (~6 °C above present).
Compute ECS.
I’ll help you. That’s between three and four doublings of CO2 level. Since the sun was 4-5% weaker then, call it three doublings. Thus ECS for the 500 million year period studied is about two degrees C per doubling, on average, ignoring any compounding effect.
Note also that global temperature wasn’t much different under 7000 ppm then than under 4000. In fact, it was colder early in the period when CO2 was higher.
Lots of other factors go into global temperature, but this ball park, back of the envelope calculation shows that even IPCC’s lowered top estimate of 4.5 degrees is laughably preposterous. Hence, no risk of catastrophic, runaway “man-made” global warming.
It didn’t happen then. It won’t happen now.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  MarkW
May 12, 2015 7:37 pm

sturgishooper,

Mean atmospheric CO2 content during the Cambrian Period: ~4500 ppm
Mean surface temperature during the same: ~21 °C (~6 °C above present).
Compute ECS.

Similar to my calculations above: 5.35 * ln(4,500/333) * 0.8 = 11.2 °C, so “my” model is 5.2 °C too hot.

Since the sun was 4-5% weaker then, call it three doublings.

Ok, let’s call present-day TSI 1,361.5 W/m^2. 5% of that is 68.1 W/m^2. Divide by 4 for geometry gives 17.0 W/m^2. Multiply by 0.3 for albedo and 0.8 for the climate sensitivity parameter gives
4.1 °C, leaving a 1.1 °C residual. We’re still talking about estimates from between 500 and 400 million years ago with error bars large enough to drive a herd of pre-Columbian buffalo through and you want to quibble about one degree Celsius. Bizarre.

Thus ECS for the 500 million year period studied is about two degrees C per doubling, on average, ignoring any compounding effect.

No. For this scenario using the assumptions you provided, I get 5.35 * ln(2) * 10.0/11.2 * 0.8 = 2.7 °C/2xCO2. By comparison, 5.35 * ln(2) * 0.8 = 2.97, a figure which should look familiar.
BTW, if you’re “ignoring any compounding effect”, you’re not calculating ECS. Compare apples to apples, not apples to … something else.

Note also that global temperature wasn’t much different under 7000 ppm then than under 4000. In fact, it was colder early in the period when CO2 was higher.

You’re reading these plots as if they’re dead-nuts accurate. Why?

Lots of other factors go into global temperature, but this ball park, back of the envelope calculation shows that even IPCC’s lowered top estimate of 4.5 degrees is laughably preposterous.

As I mentioned previously, one of those other factors is distribution of continents:
http://www.scotese.com/images/514.jpg
Completely different ball of wax, so to speak, so your back of envelope calcs are just as “laughably preposterous” as mine are: they’re based on too little other information. The canonical figure is still ~3.0 degrees per doubling because that’s what the preponderance of far more recent data suggests. Some studies (and models) suggest the 4.5 upper bound is plausible, i.e., cannot be ruled out. Good scientists communicate the range of plausible values, and the associated uncertainties in the range when that is appropriate.

Hence, no risk of catastrophic, runaway “man-made” global warming.

I don’t believe in, nor know of any current literature support for “runaway” warming.

It didn’t happen then. It won’t happen now.

Literature is full of past extinction events brought on by radical deviations from climate norms, both cooling and warming, over relatively short periods of time. A thousand years is an eyeblink in geological/evolutionary time. When talking about prior climate disruption, the mechanism is certainly of interest, but the salient point is that it’s just not a good idea to force the biosphere to adapt to rapid environmental changes regardless of cause. This is NOT about polar bears for me, it’s about organisms we depend on for food. Wreaking potential havoc on any significant part of the food chain upon which 7.125 billion human mouths are already feeding is not my idea of intelligent adult decision-making.
We know what 280 ppmv and 1,360 W/m^2 solar output looks like for dead certain. If you want to gamble with certain odds at your own risk, go to Vegas. Playing uncertain odds at everyone’s risk is not something that I consider either rational or ethical behaviour. YMMV.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
May 12, 2015 9:19 pm

Brandon, I believe in the data. I also believe in instruments that have been calibrated against known standards and proven to be accurate.
You unfortunately only believe in data that agrees with your religious preferences.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  MarkW
May 12, 2015 9:56 pm

MarkW,

I believe in the data.

So you’ll be retracting this comment then? 9) The evidence that land ice loss is accelerating is marginal at best.

I also believe in instruments that have been calibrated against known standards and proven to be accurate.

Modern instrumentation did not exist 500 million years ago. Further, there is much evidence we have today and of the recent past which are not available to us in anything resembling any sort of fidelity five-hundred million years ago. 500,000,000. Count the number of goose-eggs after the five in that figure.

You unfortunately only believe in data that agrees with your religious preferences.

I absolutely do not want AGW to be real. Your mind-reading skills are even more feeble than your apparent ability to construct an argument which isn’t self-refuting.

Reply to  MarkW
May 13, 2015 5:34 pm

Brandon,
Take whatever time interval you want and whatever geologic period you want.
There is no way to get the “canonical” (ie, made up) ECS of 3.0.
The ball park estimate I made for the Cambrian to present would be more like 1.5 if I used the actual numbers for solar input and number of doublings.
But let’s stick to the world as it is now. The continents were arranged virtually identically to now during the transition from the last glacial phase to our present interglacial. The world warmed by, let’s say, five degrees C, BEFORE CO2 increased across the Holocene transition. The gain from about 190 ppm to 280 ppm (if cores are to be believed) resulted from this warming. It didn’t cause it.
Then, during the Holocene, global temperature fluctuated with only minor changes in CO2. It is not the driver of climate change, but the driven. Now humans have added some to the atmosphere, but during this 150 or more years long process, T has gone up while CO2 was going down, down while it was up and flat while both rising and falling. On balance it’s up because we’re naturally coming out of cold period c. AD 1400 to 1850, not because of the CO2.
On longer time scales, the same lack of correlation is observed. The only correlation between CO2 and GASTA is that higher T causes higher CO2 eventually. There might be a slight positive feedback effect, but it’s much less than other factors.

Bill Illis
Reply to  MarkW
May 14, 2015 6:07 am

Brandon Gates, CO2 sensitivity over the last 25 million years and the last 750 million years. +/- 40.0C per doubling or, in fact, a Null result as in CO2 has nothing to do with the paleo-climate at all.
http://s23.postimg.org/3jnbzr9cb/CO2_sensitivity_last_25_Mys.png
http://s28.postimg.org/lovsbgt5p/CO2_sensitivity_last_750_Mys.png
Calculated using ALL of the reliable CO2 estimates there are (2900) and using ALL of the dO18 isotopes (20,000) for temperature in the proper way. This chart is the highest resolution and the most accurate you will see.
http://s9.postimg.org/6khgknuhb/Temp_CO2_Last_750_Myrs.png

Brandon Gates
Reply to  MarkW
May 14, 2015 7:57 pm

Bill Illis,
I’ve seen you post those plots before and IIRC I responded to them. I don’t recall what I wrote previously, and rather than dig through very old threads I’ll just go with the context of this particular discussion. As I wrote upthread, comparing CO2 alone to temperature over 750 million years now for these plots does not give us nearly a complete enough picture to draw any climate sensitivity on the basis of linear regression coefficients alone. We need to know more about things like continental distribution, ocean currents, ice sheet coverage, solar output, atmospheric composition for other relevant species — O3, CH4, and H2O just to name a few — not to mention dust, and aerosols.
Then there are the difficulties in estimating both CO2 levels and surface temperatures themselves going back that far, which this graphic from New Scientist illustrates:
http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn11647/dn11647-5_738.jpg
If we must look at CO2 vs. T only, I don’t think we can do any better than Antarctic ice core data over the past 800 kyrs:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W0dggL-4e68/VMzoRRfoyHI/AAAAAAAAAUE/yAHA4IAVS4c/s1600/Temp%2Bvs%2BCO2%2BScatterplot%2BEDC%2Bwith%2Bmodern.png
800-2ka: 11.38 * ln(2) = 7.89
1-1800 AD: 6.91 * ln(2) = 4.79
2 ka-present: 2.67 * ln(2) = 1.85
In the first case, an ECS of 8 K/2xCO2 is too high … obvious to me because I know that I didn’t take methane into account, which is a significant contributor, nor ice albedo feedback as a function of high northern latitude insolation cycles a la Milankovitch.
The middle case makes more sense to me as is because it was a relatively stable period of CO2 concentration, the system was more or less at equilibrium, 2,000 years is just on the threshold of where orbital forcing becomes significant, etc. Yet, probably still too high for reasons already cited, plus leaves out the runup from the Maunder Minimum to the beginning of serious industrialization.
The final case is the one I’m most confident in due to the fidelity and resolution of the data, particularly through the instrumental period. But that isn’t an ECS calculation, it’s somewhere between TCR and ECS, which is where we’re always going to be when CO2 is changing at a clip faster than thermal inertia of the oceans allows an equilibrium temperature response.
In sum, nearly a million years is a pretty darn good representative sample of the planet more or less in the same configuration as today. Going back hundreds of millions of years and arguing that there’s no CO2 —> T causality relationship doesn’t impress: far too many changed variables and very sparse data with high uncertainties relative to what we get from ice cores. Frankly, it also conveniently ignores long-standing rock-solid radiative physics to boot.
And no, that does not mean that I do not know that CO2 lags T in those data.
Far more robust studies of ECS have been done, my go-to reference is Knutti and Hegerl (2008): http://www.iac.ethz.ch/people/knuttir/papers/knutti08natgeo.pdf
That I can get within striking distance with a simple linear regression impresses me. I’ve done more involved regressions taking insolation, ice coverage and other radiative gasses into account and gotten even closer results, which gives me confidence that K & H aren’t just making it all up. YMMV.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  MarkW
May 14, 2015 8:13 pm

sturgishooper,

Take whatever time interval you want and whatever geologic period you want.

I’ve got a million years of data on my laptop …

There is no way to get the “canonical” (ie, made up) ECS of 3.0.

… and I’m thinking you probably don’t on yours. It really amazes me that people think they can tell me what I have not investigated in my own time, and seen with my own eyes as a result.

Reply to  MarkW
May 14, 2015 8:26 pm

I’ve got a million years of data on my laptop …
I’ve got 4.5 billion. neener

Reply to  Brandon Gates
May 12, 2015 4:56 pm

Something is logically awry with the author’s definition of “global mean temperature.” Under this definition, the change the global mean temperature between two points in time is multivalued with consequential violation of the law of non-contradiction.
Proof:
The trend line is desribed by the equation T = a * t + b where T is the temperature, t is the time, a is a constant and b is a constant. The values of the constants are established by fitting the line to a specified global temperature time series in a specified interval. Let the value of the time at the start of this interval be designated by t1 and let the value of the time at the end of this interval be designated by t2. A second interval lies within the first. Let the value of the time at the start of this interval be designated by t3 and let the value of the time at the end of this interval be designated by t4. t2, t3 and t4 are constants but t1 is a variable. Let the starting point for t1 be at the beginning of the recent “pause.” As t1 varies in the direction of negative time, the slope ‘a’ varies. The “global warming” is given by a * ( t4 – t3 ) and the value of it varies as t1 varies.
Q.E.D.
Also, the “global mean temperature” is a misnomer for a temperature is an example of a measure but this “temperature” lacks the property of a measure that is known as “additivity.”

Reply to  Brandon Gates
May 12, 2015 5:05 pm

The proposition is false that the models are “…constantly being audited and corrected in peer-reviewed literature.”

Reply to  Brandon Gates
May 12, 2015 6:42 pm

Gates says: [ ” … “, ” … “, ” … “], etc., etc.
That’s far too long of a comment to refute everything, but no need. Here’s just one example:
a) Temperature has risen since the beginning of the industrial revolution coinciding with a rise in CO2…
“Coinciding” is exactly the right word. It means the rise of both was coincidental rise, which describes the simultaneous rise in temperature and CO2.
But of course, that coincidence ended almost twenty years ago.

Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 7:06 pm

Establishment climatologists have a dodge for the situation in which the two rises are not coincident. Supposedly the global temperature is the sum of “natural” and “anthropogenic” components. Thus, when the CO2 concentration rises and the global temperature doesn’t this state of affairs does not falsify the claims of these climatologists’ models. Analysis reveals that NOTHING falsifies the claims of these climatologists’ models, thus these claims are unscientific under a commonly understood definition of “scientific.” Establishment climatologists, however, have a different definition of “scientific.”

Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 7:26 pm

Terry Oldberg,
Correct as usual, Mr. Logic.
In addition, that dodge lets them off the hook regarding their perennial failure to produce any testable measurements quantifying MMGW.
In science, data is everything. Measurements are data. But they can’t produce any measurements showing the fraction of total global warming that is presumed to be MMGW.
No measurements = no data. No data = they’ve got nothin’.
‘Dangerous MMGW’ is nothing but a giant head fake.

MarkW
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 9:21 pm

I guess it’s just a coincidence that the earth cooled in the 70’s even while CO2 was rising.
Brandon strikes me as a drowning man, grasping at any straw he can in order to keep on believing.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  dbstealey
May 12, 2015 9:34 pm

dbstealey,

That’s far too long of a comment to refute everything, but no need.

Pretty much what first responders said about the OP, about which you yourself made much ado. But that’s the whole point of a Gish Gallop, is it not?

Here’s just one example:
a) Temperature has risen since the beginning of the industrial revolution coinciding with a rise in CO2…
“Coinciding” is exactly the right word. It means the rise of both was coincidental rise, which describes the simultaneous rise in temperature and CO2.

Too overwhelmed by the TL;DR to include point (b) eh? The non-coincidental physical cause is pretty easy to suss out on an instantaneous basis by way of direct observation from satellite observation:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8uR50mjSJ2E/VUQ4mCn9x-I/AAAAAAAAAdY/IIUsevfnRzw/s1600/GW%2BPetty%2BIRIS%2BTropical%2BWestern%2BPacific.png
Harries et al. (2001) provides a time-evolution for the mechanism: https://workspace.imperial.ac.uk/physics/Public/spat/John/Increase%20in%20greenhouse%20forcing%20inferred%20from%20the%20outgoing%20longwave%20radiation%20spectra%20of%20the%20Earth%20in%201970%20and%201997.pdf
Causation entails correlation. Certainly, the converse is not necessarily true, but repeating the “correlation is not causation” mantra as the last line of defence is the M.O. of wilfully ignorant folks (or in this case, paid hacks) who say blitheringly idiotic things like “tides come in, tides go out … nobody knows why” on national television. Don’t be like that guy and expect to be taken seriously by serious, rational, well-informed, intelligent people.

But of course, that coincidence ended almost twenty years ago.

Once again you trot out a thousand-times dead zombie argument which ignores data from below the surface:
http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/itemp100_global.png
http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/itemp700_global.png
http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/itemp2000_global.png
Not a pause in sight. Where’s the heat coming from, DB? Coincidental infestations of bottom-dwelling fire pixies?

Bill Illis
Reply to  dbstealey
May 14, 2015 6:41 am

Brandon Gates,
The emission curve (looking down from space) for the tropical Pacific in “clear-sky” conditions (ie, ignoring the 65% of the time that clouds are present) tells an interesting story very similar to what the top post article says.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8uR50mjSJ2E/VUQ4mCn9x-I/AAAAAAAAAdY/IIUsevfnRzw/s1600/GW%2BPetty%2BIRIS%2BTropical%2BWestern%2BPacific.png
CO2, emitting in the 600-700 wavenumber frequency, is coming out as if it were 220K, or -53C. Where in the atmosphere is it -53C, the lower stratosphere, the location where CO2 emits directly to space, cooling off the Earth, Without CO2 it is hard to imagine how the Earth would shed that extra heat.
Data from 0-400 wavenumber apparently missing but this is where water vapor operates.
Water vapor spectrum, continuing, in the 400-600 wavenumber spectrum, emitting as if it were -15C, this is convection of water vapor to the lower troposphere where is cools off and emits to space but does not form clouds or rain out since this is the 35% of the time that clouds are not present. Not a very representative sample one could say but is a huge amount of heat being emitting to space by just invisible water vapor convection.
Atmospheric windows and water vapor emitting near the surface in the 750-1000 and 1100-1250 wavenumber spectrums. Again water vapor but also from the surface at 22C.
Ozone in the upper stratosphere between 1000 and 1100 wavenumber. Here the Ozone is intercepting solar radiation and emitting that back to space at a relatively warm for the stratosphere 5C. Its warm here because Ozone is stopping solar radiation from getting to the surface but this heats up the Ozone. When a volcano goes off and destroys Ozone here, more of the solar radiation gets through to the surface and the Earth’s surface warms up. Ozone takes more than 25 years to rebuild so the volcanoes of El Chichon in 1982 and Pinatubo in 1991 are actually making this emission spectrum smaller here than it used to be and is actually causing warming at the surface. Always ignored by climate science.
Now let’s change the scene and add low clouds to mix and look up from the surface (rather than down from space) using Modtran. The Dark Blue line at 298K or 25C is a perfect blackbody. There is no CO2 or Ozone to be seen anywhere.
Now this is only the situation 65% of the time and is never, ever shown in any climate science textbook. Why we would ignore 65% of climate is beyond me.
http://s11.postimg.org/5t2bim977/Modtran_Tropic_Looking_up_low_clouds.png

Brandon Gates
Reply to  dbstealey
May 14, 2015 6:58 pm

Bill Illis,

The emission curve (looking down from space) for the tropical Pacific in “clear-sky” conditions (ie, ignoring the 65% of the time that clouds are present) tells an interesting story very similar to what the top post article says.

I don’t see any similarity at all between how I interpret that plot, and what the OP says: 7. In some geological periods the CO2 content of the air has been up to 20 times today’s content, and there has been no runaway temperature increase! Why would our CO2 emissions have a cataclysmic impact? The laws of Nature are the same whatever the place and the time.
Indeed, unless we assume that physical laws don’t change in 500 million years’ time, this truly would be an exercise in futility. For truly comprehensive sceptical thinking, I like Max Planck’s philosophy: We have no right to assume that any physical laws exist, or if they have existed up to now, that they will continue to exist in a similar manner in the future.

CO2, emitting in the 600-700 wavenumber frequency, is coming out as if it were 220K, or -53C. Where in the atmosphere is it -53C, the lower stratosphere, the location where CO2 emits directly to space, cooling off the Earth, Without CO2 it is hard to imagine how the Earth would shed that extra heat.

A point I’ve made from time to time in response to the oft-raised question, “How can a trace gas have any influence on surface temperature?” Atmosphere is a bunch denser in the lower troposphere.

Data from 0-400 wavenumber apparently missing but this is where water vapor operates.

A more complete view showing the absorption bands of several species of interest:
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/schmidt_05/curve_s.gif

Water vapor spectrum, continuing, in the 400-600 wavenumber spectrum, emitting as if it were -15C, this is convection of water vapor to the lower troposphere where is cools off and emits to space but does not form clouds or rain out since this is the 35% of the time that clouds are not present. Not a very representative sample one could say but is a huge amount of heat being emitting to space by just invisible water vapor convection.

True.

Atmospheric windows and water vapor emitting near the surface in the 750-1000 and 1100-1250 wavenumber spectrums. Again water vapor but also from the surface at 22C.

It would be quite toasty without those windows. Of course, whatever life evolved in those conditions would have adapted to them instead, never knowing differently.
And, no, not wv emitting in those bands but the surface itself.

Ozone in the upper stratosphere between 1000 and 1100 wavenumber. Here the Ozone is intercepting solar radiation and emitting that back to space at a relatively warm for the stratosphere 5C. Its warm here because Ozone is stopping solar radiation from getting to the surface but this heats up the Ozone.

That is my understanding as well.

When a volcano goes off and destroys Ozone here, more of the solar radiation gets through to the surface and the Earth’s surface warms up.

Once the sulfate aerosols precipitate out.

Ozone takes more than 25 years to rebuild so the volcanoes of El Chichon in 1982 and Pinatubo in 1991 are actually making this emission spectrum smaller here than it used to be and is actually causing warming at the surface. Always ignored by climate science.

Not ignored in the slightest: http://www.pnas.org/content/99/5/2609.full.pdf+html

Now let’s change the scene and add low clouds to mix and look up from the surface (rather than down from space) using Modtran. The Dark Blue line at 298K or 25C is a perfect blackbody. There is no CO2 or Ozone to be seen anywhere.

Sure, clouds are near-perfect emitters in those bands. That 418 W/m^2 DWLR is is impressive, no?

Now this is only the situation 65% of the time and is never, ever shown in any climate science textbook.

Here’s the original plot, which includes the top-down view of a thunderstorm anvil inline with the clear sky view:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lmPcm4WLOq4/Usb_CsHnz8I/AAAAAAAAAuA/lpUiPJl-nU4/s1600/IR_spectrum_anvil_head&clear.jpg
That particular figure, plus most of the others, are from Grant W. Petty’s 2006 textbook, “A First Course in Atmospheric Radiation”: http://www.sundogpublishing.com/shop/a-first-course-in-atmospheric-radiation-2nd-ed/ There’s a link at the bottom of the page pointing to a compressed archive of all the figures in the book.

Why we would ignore 65% of climate is beyond me.

Why you think clouds — one of the most talked about uncertainties in literature — are being ignored is quite beyond my ability to comprehend.

Bill Illis
Reply to  dbstealey
May 15, 2015 6:39 am

Gee Brandon Gates,
I’d almost say you are “learning” about real science finally and not just parroting climate science myths/illusions/anecdotes/dogma.

Simon
Reply to  Brandon Gates
May 12, 2015 7:25 pm

Brandon…. Just when I think I know a bit about the science of AGW…. I read your comments and feel rather stupid/humble. Do you eat facts for breakfast?

Reply to  Simon
May 12, 2015 7:27 pm

They’re factoids, Simon. Regurgitated on demand.

Simon
Reply to  Simon
May 12, 2015 7:38 pm

I’m sorry DB, but Brandon’s comments are a lot more than that. Regurgitating facts is one thing. But making it entertaining and cutting is another. You can’t write like that without having a deep understanding of the subject. In a field where people write such utter bollocks on a daily basis, I find his comments a treat.

Reply to  Simon
May 12, 2015 8:22 pm

Simon:
Your delight in regard to Brandon’s various arguments is unrelated to the issue of whether the conclusions of these arguments are true. Are some or all of the of them true? If so, what is your argument?

Bubba Cow
Reply to  Simon
May 12, 2015 7:40 pm

@ dbstealey
You’ve been at this all day – thanks.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  Simon
May 12, 2015 8:48 pm

Simon,

Do you eat facts for breakfast?

I prefer cold pizza and Mt. Dew, but I have occasionally gone on a reading jag and forgotten about food until dinnertime. Your positive feedback goes a long way toward making it more worth my effort to have slogged through the OP point by point. Thank you.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  Simon
May 12, 2015 8:50 pm

dbstealey,

They’re factoids, Simon. Regurgitated on demand.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, donchaknow.

Simon
Reply to  Simon
May 12, 2015 10:01 pm

Terry Oldberg
I think it should be fine to enjoy anyone’s writing here. and I think you can do so on a number of levels. One of the reasons WUWT is so popular (and it undeniably is) is every now and again you come across a debate where both sides of the argument are discussed in a variety of ways. Sometimes heated, sometimes polite, sometimes wrong and sometimes right. People like Brandon liven things up, put the cat among the pigeons so to speak. That’s entertaining.
When you say “these” arguments do you mean Brandon’s or the articles? If you mean Brandon’s, I would have to say most of what he writes is fairly close to current thinking on the subject in the main stream. So yes, I very often think he is on the mark. If you mean the articles…. well that’s another story. I think Brandon carved up many of the ideas presented pretty well, which was fun to read.
I’ll finish by saying he seems to take the hits from the attack dogs here (most of the time) with a level of dignity. He doesn’t seem to be easily ruffled. He sticks to the facts (as he sees them) and politely responds. I admire that.

Reply to  Simon
May 13, 2015 7:21 am

Simon
Thanks for sharing your views. In a recent article Willis Eschenbach pointed out that we could move the quality of the discourse here at wattsupwiththat to a higher level by submitting proofs of our assertions. Where appropriate one’s proof would be of a fallacy in someone else’s proof. This is the quality that we try to achieve within the peer-review system. Used within a scientific setting, this process quickly and efficiently exposes errors in the arguments that are being made if there are any.
When this process is used in debate the characters of the debaters bcomes irrelevant. Thus, a debater neither disparages nor praises the character of his opponent. Debaters welcome exposure of errors in their arguments because the presence of them can result in the enactment of bad policies. Everyone in the debate is devoted to fostering good policies. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could move wattsupwiththat in this direction?

David A
Reply to  Simon
May 12, 2015 10:39 pm

The are altered facts as well. The surface record used to show a .6 degree drop from the 1940s. They removed the 1940s blip. They did not like it. it was clearly a problem. Brandon shows ocean charts made of disparate methods of measuring. There is however a bottom line, neither the surface GMT by a significant factor, nor the oceans by a significant factor, nor the troposphere by an overwhelming factor, have risen as the climate models projected. These wrong models are the bases of CAGW claims. Those CAGW claims are failing to manifest. CO2 is, via the observational scientific method, a bit player.
NH sea ice, both extent and thickness, is increasing for three years now. SH sea ice is at satellite data records. The SH oceans are unusually cold. The AMO is showing signs of turning. The bulk of the atmosphere is nowhere near as warm as 1998. There is peer reviewed evidence the UHI in the surface record distorts that record. Floods, droughts, Hurricanes, extreme weather events etc, are not increasing. Record crop yields per acre are happening regularly. CO2 saves water, grows more food on less water, makes t warmer at night reducing frost damage, supposedly warms the polar regions more then the tropics and sub tropics, creating less energy to drive extreme weather.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  Simon
May 12, 2015 11:27 pm

David A wrote:

The are altered facts as well.

We don’t trust the data …

NH sea ice, both extent and thickness, is increasing for three years now. SH sea ice is at satellite data records. The SH oceans are unusually cold.

… except when we trust the data.

These wrong models are the bases of CAGW claims.

It’s a pretty incompetent cabal of data manipulators who cannot get falsified observation to agree with the zillion-dollar video games with which they’re attempting to snooker us.

David A
Reply to  Simon
May 13, 2015 12:20 am

Brandon Gates says,
David A wrote:
“The are altered facts as well.”
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We don’t trust the data … Brandon says, as if that is meaningful.
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Which data Brandon? Discussing the veracity of any data rationally is in the details. There was no “political agenda” about which books wee written discussing the climate history through 1979. There was no 1970s parallel to “climategate” with scientist in private admitting many cogent skeptic points, but in public attempting to marginalize all skeptic views. The documented problems with the surface data, and their increasing divergence from the troposphere, is extensive and involves many details. Do you wish a detailed discussion of the UHI affect, of the disappearing stations, the march of stations to airports, the ever more extensive (up to 40 percent recently for some months) of ignoring valid stations and infilling with other stations through hominization that is disputed in both rational arguments and peer reviewed publications?
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Brandon quotes me,
“NH sea ice, both extent and thickness, is increasing for three years now. SH sea ice is at satellite data records. The SH oceans are unusually cold.”
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… except when we trust the data. Brandon states, poorly attempting to make his first straw-man relevant.
Remember Brandon, not all data is equal. There are reasons to trust some data, and distrust other. Or are you under the illusion that all data sets have equal error bars? The problems with determining a GMT through ever changing stations and methods and instruments over century timescales is daunting, even if one assumes honesty and ignore the power of monetary and political forces to corrupt. (You do agree that billions of dollars and political agendas can corrupt human being do you not? Have you read the books I recommended yet on this? So, as I was saying, GMT is difficult, satellite observations of sea ice extent have some complications, but not nearly of the same magnitude as GMT surface T records. Ice thickness is more difficult, and I would assign greater error bars, but the increase is quite remarkable, and, as Willis recently pointed out, while the exact m=thickness may be disputable, the method used is consistent, therefore the change documented is true relative to the past, even if the exact value is not known.
Folks please notice how Brandon attempts to distract from the points of my actual comment with petty and cheap straw-man arguments.
Brandon continues, ”
“These wrong models are the bases of CAGW claims.”
It’s a pretty incompetent cabal of data manipulators who cannot get falsified observation to agree with the zillion-dollar video games with which they’re attempting to snooker us.”
Well Brandon, the “Cabal of manipulators” are not universal, neither are they omnipotent, no matter how much they wish to “change the peer review process” or beat up scientist who disagree with them, or make extensive use of non peer reviewed literature. They do not control John Christy, nor Spencer, nor thousands of other honest scientist who are skeptics. Neither is the “Cabal of manipulators” capable of reversing the arrow of time in an absolute way, as much as they try Honest folk remember the past, and hold them in check. Honest folk notice them making continues, often monthly .01 degree reductions to the past, with no explanation, over and over again.
It is a pretty incompetent group of scientist who cannot even use their closest to observation models to estimate the predicted harms of CAGW, but instead use the modeled mean of the way to warm models to inflate the predicted but failing to manifest harms .As scientists, this is a science 101 fail. As political activists, it is quite a success.

Reply to  Simon
May 13, 2015 10:36 am

Bubba Cow says:
@ dbstealey
You’ve been at this all day – thanks.

My pleasure, Bubba. When you’re put out to pasture you will look for interesting things to do, too. This gives me an outlet for my decades of Metrology work experience (mainly designing, testing, calibrating and repairing weather-related instruments of all types).
I’m retired now, after a long carreer in a closely related field, and taking care of my disabled wife. That gives me plenty of time to read and comment.
But I’ve never figured out Brandon’s excuse. He writes more than I do. But he has never converted a single skeptic to his climate alarmism, from what I’ve seen. Although I have seen a pretty good number of former alarmists who say they are now skeptics of the ‘dangerous MMGW’ narrative, due in large part to reading WUWT articles and comments.
There are always a few easily impressed head-nodders like Simon, but they can be disregarded. Religious belief is a very powerful force, impossible to overcome by evidence, facts, and logic.
Terry O and David A hit the nail on the head. Veriifiable facts are what matter, and real world facts flatly contradict the alarmist narrative. Planet Earth is clearly, obviously, unequivocally falsifying the ‘dangerous MMGW’ scare. As it has turned out, the rise in CO2 is entirely beneficial, and completely harmless.
If skeptical scientists (the only honest kind) were shown to be as wrong as the alarmist clique posting here, we would promptly admit it up front, and try to find out what was wrong with our conjecture. We would welcome any help with that from anyone, because our interest is in knowledge, not in being occasionally right about something or other.
That is the central difference between skeptics, and the alarmist crowd. It’s a big difference.

Tucci78
Reply to  dbstealey
May 13, 2015 10:54 am

At 10:36 AM on 13 May, dbstealey had written:

But I’ve never figured out Brandon’s excuse. He writes more than I do. But he has never converted a single skeptic to his climate alarmism, from what I’ve seen. Although I have seen a pretty good number of former alarmists who say they are now skeptics of the ‘dangerous MMGW’ narrative, due in large part to reading WUWT articles and comments.

Well, you’ve got his “excuse” pretty solidly.
The purpose for which Brandon Gates posts in this forum is to offer a shred of plausibility – however tattered and insubstantial – to which the average climate catastrophe True Believer can turn as he visits this forum, the better to strengthen the confirmation bias upon which such cement-heads must necessarily rely as the alleged “science” of their beloved fraud is firehosed away from under their feet.
He preaches to the faithful, desperate to prevent their conversion to responsible scientific skepticism.

1) An agency receives biased funding for research from Congress.
2) They issue multiple biased Requests for Proposals (RFPs), and
3) multiple biased projects are selected for each RFP.
4) Many projects produce multiple biased articles, press releases, etc,
5) many of these articles and releases generate multiple biased news stories, and
6) the resulting amplified bias is communicated to the public on a large scale.
One can see how in this instance a single funding activity, the agency budget, might eventually lead to hundreds or thousands of hyperbolic news stories. This would be a very large scale cascading amplification of funding-induced bias.
Climate Change Examples
In the climate change debate there have been allegations of bias at each of the stages described above. Taken together this suggests the possibility that just such a large scale amplifying cascade has occurred or is occurring. Systematic research is needed to determine if this is actually the case.
The notion of cascading systemic bias, induced by government funding, does not appear to have been studied much. This may be a big gap in research on science. Moreover, if this sort of bias is indeed widespread then there are serious implications for new policies, both at the Federal level and within the scientific community itself.

— David E. Wojick and Patrick J. Michaels “Is the Government Buying Science or Support? A Framework Analysis of Federal Funding-induced Biases” (30 April 2015)

Brandon Gates
Reply to  Simon
May 13, 2015 8:08 pm

Tucci78,

He preaches to the faithful, desperate to prevent their conversion to responsible scientific skepticism.

Yeah … because I’m such an idiot I couldn’t find a better place to set up that particular soapbox than WUWT. You’re the one keeping similar company here, not me.
With such bomb-proof “logic” as you display here, it’s probably best you didn’t attempt to substantively address any of my actual arguments.

Tucci78
Reply to  Brandon Gates
May 14, 2015 12:20 am

In response to my observation that “He preaches to the faithful, [in his scrambling perseverative posts on WUWT] desperate to prevent their conversion to responsible scientific skepticism,” we get from Brandon Gates at 8:08 PM on 13 May:

Yeah … because I’m such an idiot I couldn’t find a better place to set up that particular soapbox than WUWT.

Precisely. This being demonstrably the most heavily frequented and therefore influential site on the Web with regard to the anthropogenic global warming/ climate change/ “climate fragility” fraud to which you’ve committed yourself, there is no better venue to which you can devote your attentions as regards the preservation of this preposterous bogosity’s persistence among the confused wool and low-information voters who’ve been suckered by your progtard Algorean “We’re All Gonna Die!” hokum.

One of the most important questions ever posed by anyone on his journey rightward is, “Why are liberals so stupid?” It’s a bit perplexing. How can someone smart enough to correctly repeat a blizzard of global warming talking points actually think that you can purchase machine guns at military surplus stores? How dumb do you have to be to think Islam is feminist-friendly?
— The Hateful Heretic, “Top Ten Liberal Beliefs That Came From Television” (8 April 2015)

Brandon Gates
Reply to  Simon
May 13, 2015 8:44 pm

David A,

Which data Brandon?

Your opening statement: The are altered facts as well. was in apparent reference to SST data from the WWII era when engine intake readings were preferred by merchant mariners to the bucket method for some fairly obvious reasons.

Discussing the veracity of any data rationally is in the details.

You don’t say.

There was no “political agenda” about which books were written discussing the climate history through 1979.

And pigs will sprout wings and fly when the fossil fuel industry complains that people are burning far too much of their products. I’m not sure you understand the concept of a zero-sum argument.

Remember Brandon, not all data is equal.

Here I was thinking that some are just more equal than others.

Or are you under the illusion that all data sets have equal error bars?

When the data are manipulated, I’d think error bars would be just for show.

The problems with determining a GMT through ever changing stations and methods and instruments over century timescales is daunting, even if one assumes honesty and ignore the power of monetary and political forces to corrupt.

Yet in the face of such admitted uncertainty you’re absolutely certain that more CO2 = better come what may.

Folks please notice how Brandon attempts to distract from the points of my actual comment with petty and cheap straw-man arguments.

Irony.

Well Brandon, the “Cabal of manipulators” are not universal, neither are they omnipotent, no matter how much they wish to “change the peer review process” or beat up scientist who disagree with them, or make extensive use of non peer reviewed literature.

Speaking of non sequiturs, what does this latest batch of ad hominem bile have to do with the cabal of surface temperature finaglers? You know, the group of scientists who publish their exact methods by which they run their scam? Who make available the before and after data at its most granular level? The ones who provide the adjustment source codes for John Q. Public to download, review, compile and execute themselves should they be so inclined?
I’m not sure either, but it did look like a cathartic rant if my own experience writing them is any guide.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Brandon Gates
May 12, 2015 9:42 pm

Brandon Gates’s commentary as in point 1) is based the premise that dangerous human-caused global warming requiring immediate radical mitigating action is occurring and has been since ~1800 and any observations that do not accord with or contradict that a priori assumption are airily dismissed by ‘that is the way CO2 induced warming occurs’.
The rest follows.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 12, 2015 10:40 pm

Chris Hanley,

Brandon Gates’s commentary as in point 1) is based the premise that dangerous human-caused global warming requiring immediate radical mitigating action is occurring and has been since ~1800 and any observations that do not accord with or contradict that a priori assumption are airily dismissed by ‘that is the way CO2 induced warming occurs’.

Obviously the warming to date — ~0.8 °C according to HADCRUT4 — has not been disastrous. Considering that global temperatures were ~4 °C at the last glacial maximum, 5 °C warming by 2100 seems a radical difference best avoided at any reasonable cost. For the US, the first blindingly obvious starting point for my solution is to follow France’s historic lead and build more nukes to replace coal, which is orders of magnitude more harmful in the near-term, any and all CO2/AGW concerns aside. If that’s “radical”, then guilty as charged I suppose.
I think that when people need to resort to conditions 500 million years ago to “refute” present-day directly observable radiative effects from CO2 and other IR-active atmospheric species — backed by solid, lab-tested physical theory — that I’m not the one with a problem airly dismissing a priori “assumptions”.

The rest follows.

Well sure, it’s easy when you make up my arguments as you go. When I want a spokesperson, I’ll solicit one.

David A
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 12, 2015 10:47 pm

Brandon says, “replace coal, which is orders of magnitude more harmful in the near-term, any and all CO2/AGW concerns aside”
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I am likely in support of fourth gen nuclear considering the safety factors, the 90 percent reduced waste with a vastly reduced 1/2 life, etc, but I do not get how coal in modern plants is so harmful?

David A
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 12, 2015 11:01 pm

Brandon says, “I think that when people need to resort to conditions 500 million years ago to “refute” present-day directly observable radiative effects from CO2 and other”
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A straw-man for the skeptics position. The 300 year to 800 year lag time of T rising first , before CO2 is supportive of the skeptical position, and works at time scales far more recent then 500 million years. The 40s blip was real and recorded in both the NH and globally. Peer reviewed literature supports the three most recent warming periods in the last 10,000 years as being as warm or warmer then the current warm period The NH and global drop in T from the late 1940s to 1979 or so was a well established part of the record. The blip was likely removed for political, not scientific reasons. There is extensive evidence of political motivation and influence of the post normal science of CAGW. I have give you books to read on the subject. The latest pause of no warming since 1998 (significant cooling of about .3 degrees if that was the start time) in the vast majority of the atmosphere is strong indication that CAGW climate sensitivity is wrong by a lot.
If the AMO turns and the earth produces a decent La Nina, then all the warming since 1979 will likely vanish, and the Ice Age scare will commence again. This is called CGCYY. Catastrophic global climate yo yo.

simon
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 12, 2015 11:19 pm

David A says…
“If the AMO turns and the earth produces a decent La Nina, then all the warming since 1979 will likely vanish, and the Ice Age scare will commence again. This is called CGCYY. Catastrophic global climate yo yo.”
Are you really saying a La Nina would turn things around put them back the way we found them. If that were true why would it not have happened already? We have had La Ninas in the last 15 – 20 years, yet the temperature continues to climb… Noaa = hottest year to date 2014. Given we are looking to be heading into a significant El Nino, the opposite is far more likely I would think. And if 2015 is warmer the 2014, where will that leave the hardline skeptics who think we are still stalled?

Brandon Gates
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 13, 2015 12:19 am

David A wrote:

I am likely in support of fourth gen nuclear considering the safety factors, the 90 percent reduced waste with a vastly reduced 1/2 life, etc, but I do not get how coal in modern plants is so harmful?

Particulates: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/

A straw-man for the skeptics position.

Not if your handle is MarkW or sturgishooper.

The 300 year to 800 year lag time of T rising first , before CO2 is supportive of the skeptical position, and works at time scales far more recent then 500 million years.

It does a bang-up job of confirming CO2’s solubility in water as a function of temperature, as known via too many lab experiments to count. Does not at all address CO2’s absorption/emission spectrum, nor does it refute Beer-Lambert law — both of which are undergraduate textbook material by dint of them also being the subject of once cutting-edge laboratory observation.
Far be it, though, for me to point out that while all oranges are fruit does not make them comparable with apples to boot.

Peer reviewed literature supports the three most recent warming periods in the last 10,000 years as being as warm or warmer then the current warm period The NH and global drop in T from the late 1940s to 1979 or so was a well established part of the record.

Peer reviewed literature also supports the crazy notion that absorbed energy doesn’t just disappear into the aether, and is just as likely to be re-emitted in the general direction from whence it came as it is to be spat out in roughly the same direction it was going. Again, this is the stuff of basic physics texts.
Something else which is no surpise to the climate consensus community is that the so-called Holocene Climactic Optimum was indeed warmer than both the MWP and LIA. You know this because they know this. Yet you staunchly refuse to let their concern for present trends bother you, even though they’re the ones with the background and experience to give you the information you don’t dispute. Why?

The blip was likely removed for political, not scientific reasons.

Silly me, I forgot that you’re a mind-reader and that when the scientific portion of your argument runs out of steam, imputing motive seamlessly takes over as if nobody will notice the switcheroo.

If the AMO turns and the earth produces a decent La Nina, then all the warming since 1979 will likely vanish, and the Ice Age scare will commence again. This is called CGCYY. Catastrophic global climate yo yo.

What do you mean Ice Age scare will commence again? It never died on this blog. I put it as the #2 bogeyman after “The UN commies are coming … halp halp, we’re being repressed!”
More substantively, a 4/10 degree drop is the most I could see …
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sCuOxDdbiXo/VTb4ffCsPgI/AAAAAAAAAb8/cEgSwN3Dik8/s1600/HADCRUT4%2B12%2Bmo%2BMA%2BInternal%2BVariability%2BNet.png
… which puts us in 1990 territory, not 1979 …
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-o4vtAlhwkrI/VTrVEyu5ceI/AAAAAAAAAcs/MuA5KTmbm5I/s1600/HADCRUT4%2B12%2Bmo%2BMA%2BForcings%2Bw%2BTrendlines.png
… and since I trust these data and you don’t, I’ll take that bet in a heartbeat. As Simon alludes, the odd look pretty long against your favour.

David A
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 13, 2015 1:23 am

Regarding B Gates says,
Brandon Gates
May 13, 2015 at 12:19 am
David A wrote:
I am likely in support of fourth gen nuclear considering the safety factors, the 90 percent reduced waste with a vastly reduced 1/2 life, etc, but I do not get how coal in modern plants is so harmful?
Particulates: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/
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Brandon, you missed the operative word. “Modern” coal plants. The particulates are well controlled and mitigated, unless you accept the poor and much disputed EPA reports. However the article you linked to was heavily invested into the massive particulate problem in India and China due to older coal plants, and in many cases to wood fires and dung for fuel as well.

David A says, “A straw-man for the skeptics position.” (regarding 500 million years ago CO2 levels disprove CAGW
Brandon says, “Not if your handle is MarkW or sturgishooper.”
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I do not think one comment represents their entire position, and my comment referred to the skeptics position in general.
David A says, “
The 300 year to 800 year lag time of T rising first , before CO2 is supportive of the skeptical position, and works at time scales far more recent then 500 million years.”
Brandon says, ” My comments in (…) between his sentences.
” It does a bang-up job of confirming CO2’s solubility in water as a function of temperature, as known via too many lab experiments to count.” (Not cogent to my point or disputed, therefore another straw-man, and in no way does this support CAGW) Brandon continues, “Does not at all address CO2’s absorption/emission spectrum, nor does it refute Beer-Lambert law — both of which are undergraduate textbook material by dint of them also being the subject of once cutting-edge laboratory observation. (Not cogent to my point or disputed, therefore another straw-man, and in no way does this support CAGW)
Brandon continues Again, my comments in (…) between his sentences.
David A says, “Peer reviewed literature supports the three most recent warming periods in the last 10,000 years as being as warm or warmer then the current warm period The NH and global drop in T from the late 1940s to 1979 or so was a well established part of the record.” (Remember my point was that skeptic have no reliance on 500 million year old CO2 and T records)
Brandon responds, “Peer reviewed literature also supports the crazy notion that absorbed energy doesn’t just disappear into the aether, and is just as likely to be re-emitted in the general direction from whence it came as it is to be spat out in roughly the same direction it was going. Again, this is the stuff of basic physics texts.” (Not cogent to my point or disputed, therefore another straw-man, and in no way does this support CAGW or address my point)
Brandon continues
“Something else which is no surpise to the climate consensus community is that the so-called Holocene Climactic Optimum was indeed warmer than both the MWP and LIA. You know this because they know this. Yet you staunchly refuse to let their concern for present trends bother you, even though they’re the ones with the background and experience to give you the information you don’t dispute. Why?”
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Thanks for the question, but what a failed paragraph. First who is the climate consensus community?. Specifically who are the CAGW atmospheric specialists scientist, (note, not earth scientist or biologist who use the IPCC modeled mean to project future harms) who have publically stated that anthropogenic CO2 will result in disasters, and who has tallied their numbers against he skeptical scientist? Second, you skipped the Roman warm period, and I am grateful that even the ” the climate consensus community” accepts that the “so-called Holocene Climactic Optimum was indeed warmer than both the LIA” What you fail to note is peer review literature supports the MWP, the coolest of the three warm periods, as being as warm as today, and NO, the ” the climate consensus community” did not even exist when this was known so they did not inform me of this.
Brandon continues, ”
David A says, “The blip was likely removed for political, not scientific reasons.”
Brandon responds, “Silly me, I forgot that you’re a mind-reader and that when the scientific portion of your argument runs out of steam, imputing motive seamlessly takes over as if nobody will notice the switcheroo.
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Poor Brandon, You have never heard of political forces monetary gain, personal power, billion of dollars, peer pressure, or confirmation bias influencing human actions? I have directed you to books to read on the subject, so your dismissal of corruption in government is intellectually vacuous and willfully uninformed.
“David A continues, ”
If the AMO turns and the earth produces a decent La Nina, then all the warming since 1979 will likely vanish, and the Ice Age scare will commence again. This is called CGCYY. Catastrophic global climate yo yo.
Brandon says (My comments in (…..)
“What do you mean Ice Age scare will commence again? It never died on this blog. (This blog has nothing to do with the Ice Age scare, which really happened, “https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/1970s-ice-age-scare/ comment image
and Mann recent poor paper on the slowing Atlantic current may be a prep for just such an event.) Brandon continues…
More substantively, a 4/10 degree drop is the most I could see …
… which puts us in 1990 territory, not 1979 …
… and since I trust these data and you don’t, I’ll take that bet in a heartbeat. As Simon alludes, the odd look pretty long against your favour” (Regarding Simon, like you he ignored cogent and relevant points of my post. I said a La Nina, in conjunction with a negative AMO, not just a La Nina. More specifically I am talking about the reverse of the very strong 1998 El Nino with the positive AMO. however, feeling generous, I will accept your .4 degrees of cooling, which puts us below 1979 temperatures.comment image
I see about .3 degrees in the whole record, and sans the 1980’s el Chichon and 1990’s Mt. Pinatubo cooling, what have you got? CAGW? I think not. This would thoroughly decimate CS. to CO2, and likely elevate natural forces to their proper level.. AMO to NH temperature de-trended..comment image.
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Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 13, 2015 11:08 am

Chris Hanley says:
Brandon Gates’s commentary as in point 1) is based the premise that dangerous human-caused global warming requiring immediate radical mitigating action is occurring…
Brandon downplays that, but he stated very clearly not too long ago something just like it. He believes there is a serious problem occurring; that it is caused by human activity, and that major actions must be taken, in particular reducing CO2 to well below current levels.
I understand beliefs. We all have them. But science and the Western-originated scientific method are designed to put belief in its place. Skepticism of any belief is required for scientific progress. Otherwise, we are back to the witch doctor era. No one questioned the witch doctor. Scientific skeptics are essential to correcting misinformation. They do it by trying in every reasonable way to tear down any conjecture, hypothesis, or theory. That is the scientific skeptics’ job description. When they are successful, there is progress.
Skeptics point out that overwhelming evidence shows that the rise in CO2 has been a net benefit. There is no global harm identified due to the rise in CO2, which has been up to 20X higher in the past without ever triggering runaway global warming — the scare that started it all.
The rise in CO2 has also been clearly beneficial, measurably boosting agricultural productivity and thus keeping food costs down; a huge benefit to the ≈two billion people in the world who subsist on $2 a day or less.
If atmospheric CO2 was lowered to 350 ppm or less, there would be mass starvation. Is there any doubt? A plant growing in a pot doesn’t use soil to grow; as it gets bigger the soil level remains the same. Plant growth comes almost entirely from atmospheric CO2. More CO2 means more food, it’s that simple.
We didn’t plan to raise CO2 levels. That was a byproduct of fossil fuel use, another great benefit to humanity. But planned or not, the rise in CO2 has been entirely beneficial, and completely harmless. And it has clearly not resulted in the endlessly predicted global warming. That turned out to be almost completely wrong.
But still the alarmist crowd hangs their collective hats on demonizing CO2 (“carbon”). Take that away, and they’ve got nothing. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, they have decided to dig in their heels, and they adamantly refuse to admit that they were ever wrong about their CO2=cAGW conjecture.
They are willing to cause mass starvation of folks on the other side of the world, rather than acknowledge that their original premise has been proven to be completely wrong.
It’s hard to respect that.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 13, 2015 4:37 pm

David A,

… you missed the operative word. “Modern” coal plants.

That article was published June 10, 2012.

The particulates are well controlled and mitigated, unless you accept the poor and much disputed EPA reports. However the article you linked to was heavily invested into the massive particulate problem in India and China due to older coal plants, and in many cases to wood fires and dung for fuel as well.

Table of figures from the article:
Energy Source Mortality Rate (deaths/trillionkWhr)
Coal – global average 170,000 (50% global electricity)
Coal – China 280,000 (75% China’s electricity)
Coal – U.S. 15,000 (44% U.S. electricity)
Oil 36,000 (36% of energy, 8% of electricity)
Natural Gas 4,000 (20% global electricity)
Biofuel/Biomass 24,000 (21% global energy)
Solar (rooftop) 440 (< 1% global electricity)
Wind 150 (~ 1% global electricity)
Hydro – global average 1,400 (15% global electricity)
Nuclear – global average 90 (17% global electricity w/Chern&Fukush)

Considering only estimated US coal mortality per unit energy and assuming US nuclear plants are NOT any less hazardous than the worldwide average:
15,000 / 90 = 167
According to the EIA [1], in 2014 the US generated 4.09 trillion kWh of electricity, 1.60 trillion kWh (39%) of that from coal. So:
1.60 * 15,000 = 23,944
If that energy had instead come from nuclear:
1.60 * 90 = 144
Which is better seen as annually accruing risk. So yeah, we’re far better off than China, but ~24 k premature deaths/year is nothing to sneeze at.
——————
[1] http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3

First who is the climate consensus community?

Serously?

Second, you skipped the Roman warm period, and I am grateful that even the ” the climate consensus community” accepts that the “so-called Holocene Climactic Optimum was indeed warmer than both the LIA” What you fail to note is peer review literature supports the MWP, the coolest of the three warm periods, as being as warm as today, and NO, the ” the climate consensus community” did not even exist when this was known so they did not inform me of this.

The HCO is, by implicit definition, the warmest period of the Holocene. I didn’t “forget” anything.

You have never heard of political forces monetary gain, personal power, billion of dollars, peer pressure, or confirmation bias influencing human actions?

Greed is a universal human traits. Corruption is one all too common manifestation of it.

I have directed you to books to read on the subject, so your dismissal of corruption in government is intellectually vacuous and willfully uninformed.

How nice of you to once again assume you know what I actually think based upon things which I did not write. Ever hear of K Street? It’s not only environmental lobbyists who have set up shop there, you know.

Regarding Simon, like you he ignored cogent and relevant points of my post.

My view is that he and I addressed them directly, and concluded by an appeal to data that returning to 1979 temperature levels, on the basis of internal variability alone, is unlikely. A sharp downturn in AMO in conjunction with sustained solar output decrease — plus throw in the odd major volcanic eruption on the order of Pinatubo, Krakatau or even Tambora — and sure … physically plausible and then some. Difficult to put odds on those sorts of events and even hairier to estimate the magnitude.
Why any of that should threaten the theory of radiative forcing due to CO2 is anyone’s guess — they are completely different physical mechanisms.

More specifically I am talking about the reverse of the very strong 1998 El Nino with the positive AMO. however, feeling generous, I will accept your .4 degrees of cooling, which puts us below 1979 temperatures.

The internal variability estimates I provided are based on HADCRUT4, not UAH or RSS. From 1979 through 2014, the decadal rate of change for each is:
HADCRUT4 0.16
UAH TLT (v6 beta) 0.12
RSS TLT 0.12
0.12/0.16 * 0.4 = 0.3. Which is roughly 1990 levels for UAH and RSS, not 1979.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 14, 2015 12:41 am

David A,
I missed some stuff first pass:

”It does a bang-up job of confirming CO2’s solubility in water as a function of temperature, as known via too many lab experiments to count.” (Not cogent to my point or disputed, therefore another straw-man, and in no way does this support CAGW) Brandon continues, “Does not at all address CO2’s absorption/emission spectrum, nor does it refute Beer-Lambert law — both of which are undergraduate textbook material by dint of them also being the subject of once cutting-edge laboratory observation. (Not cogent to my point or disputed, therefore another straw-man, and in no way does this support CAGW)

1) Beer-Lambert law is THE cogent point supporting AGW. CAGW is an open question.
2) The heck it isn’t disputed. Do you not read this blog? Have you not read THIS thread?
3) Solubility of CO2 in water as a function of temperature is the red herring. No serious climate researcher I am aware of disputes it. This is a non-argument.

David A says, “Peer reviewed literature supports the three most recent warming periods in the last 10,000 years as being as warm or warmer then the current warm period The NH and global drop in T from the late 1940s to 1979 or so was a well established part of the record.” (Remember my point was that skeptic have no reliance on 500 million year old CO2 and T records)

Here’s MarkW: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/12/22-very-inconvenient-climate-truths/#comment-1932671
7) You really believe that a different configuration of the continents would be sufficient to completely compensate for CO2 being 20 times current levels? If that was true, then you have just admitted that CO2 is at best, a bit player in climate.
Here’s sturgishooper: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/12/22-very-inconvenient-climate-truths/#comment-1932768
Mean atmospheric CO2 content during the Cambrian Period: ~4500 ppm Mean surface temperature during the same: ~21 °C (~6 °C above present). Compute ECS.
Do you or do you not consider those two posters “skeptics”?
Oh, and here’s you from elsewhere: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/05/12/22-very-inconvenient-climate-truths/#comment-1933704
He apparently fails to realize that t CAGW is a single hypothesis, posed as a theory, and therefore skepticism of that is inclusive of every degree and manner of skepticism, competent or not.
Here’s you from just above: Remember my point was that skeptic have no reliance on 500 million year old CO2 and T records.
Feel free to make up your mind at any time.

Brandon responds, “Peer reviewed literature also supports the crazy notion that absorbed energy doesn’t just disappear into the aether, and is just as likely to be re-emitted in the general direction from whence it came as it is to be spat out in roughly the same direction it was going. Again, this is the stuff of basic physics texts.” (Not cogent to my point or disputed, therefore another straw-man, and in no way does this support CAGW or address my point)

Are you familiar with the saying, “The Devil may quote scripture when it suits his purposes”? Same principle, different epistemology. You accept, as do I:
Peer reviewed literature supports the three most recent warming periods in the last 10,000 years as being as warm or warmer then the current warm period The NH and global drop in T from the late 1940s to 1979 or so was a well established part of the record.
Yet you do not accept peer reviewed literature which says that continued warming is potentially hazardous.
Cue the next barrage of partisan claptrap pretending that liberal greenies are the only people on the planet playing politics with this issue.

richardscourtney
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 14, 2015 1:30 am

Brandon Gates
You say in reply to MarkW

Peer reviewed literature supports the three most recent warming periods in the last 10,000 years as being as warm or warmer then the current warm period The NH and global drop in T from the late 1940s to 1979 or so was a well established part of the record.

Yet you do not accept peer reviewed literature which says that continued warming is potentially hazardous.

This is typical of your posts.
1.
You do not address the point made which is that nothing unusual is happening as there are precedents for all recent climate behaviours.
2.
You present a ‘straw man’; i.e. you make the untrue assertion of “continued warming” when the warming stopped nearly two decades ago.
3.
You present a fatuous assertion by claiming “continued warming” (which is not happening) “is potentially hazardous” but everything is “potentially hazardous” including getting out of bed in the morning.
4.
You apply an untrue assertion to the presenter of the point you have evaded; i.e. there is no evidence that “peer reviewed literature” (which you do not cite) has not been “accepted” by MarkW and any sensible person would accept that this “literature” is trivial if it only asserts that warming which is not happening is “potentially hazardous”.
Brandon Gates, you are a time wasting troll. All your posts fail to address the points made but introduce evasions, irrelevancies, ad homs ., and ‘straw men’ which would require pages of text to rebut.
Richard

Tucci78
Reply to  richardscourtney
May 14, 2015 2:29 am

At 1:30 AM on 14 May, richardscourtney responds to Mr. Gates“Yet you do not accept peer reviewed literature which says that continued warming is potentially hazardous” with:

Brandon Gates, you are a time wasting troll. All your posts fail to address the points made but introduce evasions, irrelevancies, ad homs ., and ‘straw men’ which would require pages of text to rebut.

There is in such cases always a “cut to the chase” option that doesn’t oblige the respondent to treat with detailed rebuttal the sorts of dithering we keep getting from Brandon Gates. This route of consideration entails the inference of what we’ll call each respective warmist’s primary and secondary gain motivating his allegiance to this objectively insupportable (and factually unsupported) damnfool contention about the adverse effects of anthropogenic atmospheric carbon dioxide and – much more importantly – the political measures being pushed by each such statist sumbeech in order to allegedly ameliorate the tissue-of-lies “externalities” nonsensically asserted to be associated with the complete combustion of petrochemical fuels upon which all of industrial civilization depends for its function.
Mr. Gates‘ “science” is crap. We need not conduct a full lab analysis of his every bowel movement on this board (no matter how coprophically he presents it) in order to say that it’s crap. We’ve examined representative samples of his stool, and we’ve picked up the same pathological findings in each specimen, so it is appropriate parsimoniously to conclude that whether or not we get in there with a colonoscope and laboriously inspect every millimeter from the pectinate line to the ileocecal junction, we’re going to find nothing except Mr. Gates‘ peculiarly reeking dung.
He’s not doing this for reasons of interest in the “science.” He’s a political animal entirely, and his politics are poisonous.
What more need be said of him?

My initial doubts about manmade global warming weren’t scientific, but … I guess you might say social. I am a novelist, and — when I’m not conversant on a particular subject — I’m inclined to depend on my judgement of the character of the actors involved. To some, I know, that may seem like a terrible confession, but others who write for a living will understand. The real question, after all, is “Am I being conned?”
That’s a social question, not a scientific one.
So,lacking other data, I looked at the character of those pushing the idea of Global Warming. They included leftist politicos I knew to be opportunistic liars in other contexts — particularly gun ownership — along with movie stars and other brain-dead celebrities that flock to any cause that attacks private industrial capitalism and individual liberty. Some may criticize me for ad hominem thinking, but when you don’t have reliable scientific information (which I didn’t back then), what else can you rely on but your understanding of the personalities involved?

— L. Neil Smith, “This One’s for Holly” (3 May 2009)

Oh, yeah. Not to mention the fact that there’s “peer reviewed” literature and then there are works which get into publication by way of broken-blinding “pal review.”
Mr. Gates goes with the flaming jackwad idiot premise that all peer review actions (indeed, all indexed publications) are equal in terms of validity, honesty – heck, infallibility.
Gotta wonder how much experience Mr. Gates has of the legitimate peer review process, either as an editor, reviewer, or author.
Betcha it’s friggin’ zip.

SkepticGoneWild
Reply to  Brandon Gates
May 13, 2015 1:22 am

Brandon shrieked, “Temperature has risen since the beginning of the industrial revolution coinciding with a rise in CO2, and particularly since 1950 after which there was a marked increase in both the rate of emissions and CO2 accumulation in the atmosphere.”
Except when it has not::
http://woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1937/to:1981/mean:12/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1937/to:1981/trend
The above is over 40 years of cooling while CO2 concentrations accelerated.
And according to the NOAA:
“Near-zero and even negative trends are common for intervals of a decade or less in the simulations, due to the model’s internal climate variability. The simulations rule out (at the 95% level) zero trends for intervals of 15 yr or more, suggesting that an observed absence of warming of this duration is needed to create a discrepancy with the expected present-day warming rate.”
Over 40 years would be considered a rather large discrepancy.
The IPCC AR5 Technical Summary does not even mention the PDO, AMO or ENSO as being natural climate drivers during the industrial era. They state, “Solar and volcanic forcings are the two dominant natural contributors to global climate change during the Industrial Era.” I guess the IPCC did not get the memo regarding the PDO, AMO and ENSO.

David A
Reply to  SkepticGoneWild
May 13, 2015 2:00 am

Dear Skeptic, I once began a response to B.G as “Brandon bloviates” but his response became so personal (“reason had forsaken him, but he could still shout”) that I decided to regress from such strong attacks.
However I did mean it as a sincere criticism. If you read my two recent responses to him just above, along with my initial comments you will see his miss-direction tactics clearly. Brandon often conflates an irrelevant quote regarding some physics pertaining to the direct affects of CO2, having nothing to do with the point made or the evidence against CAGW. (Yet he sounds informed and the point is true, but in no way does it counter the argument presented.) He also likes to make complicated subjects appear to be simple minded conspiracies of the paranoid (like the well documented political motivations of politicians monetarily supporting the CAGW movement, and the corruption of the IPCC , also well documented, or the general corruption of peer pressure, confirmation bias, and noble cause corruption, all studied as very real by social scientists).
In doing the above he is competent in forcing a debating person to make long answers to poorly construed straw man arguments.

richardscourtney
Reply to  SkepticGoneWild
May 13, 2015 2:19 am

David A
I understand your frustration, but I write to provide a slight disagreement.
You rightly say of Brandon Gates

In doing the above he is competent in forcing a debating person to make long answers to poorly construed straw man arguments.

Your “above” implies that Brandon Gates posts information he understands. In fact, he often creates his straw men by copying&pasting to here long screeds which he does not understand.
It is his lack of understanding of what he posts that induces, for example, as you observe

Brandon often conflates an irrelevant quote regarding some physics pertaining to the direct affects of CO2, having nothing to do with the point made or the evidence against CAGW. (Yet he sounds informed and the point is true, but in no way does it counter the argument presented.)

He “sounds informed and the point is true” because he copies from other places that are “informed” but his copying “in no way does it counter the argument presented” because he lacks understanding of both “the argument presented” and what he copies.
He finds the stuff to copy by googleing so – although it is “irrelevant” – it has some relationship to the argument presented and, therefore, requires rebuttal.
In summation, Brandon Gates is a time wasting troll: he is not even a useful troll.
Richard

SkepticGoneWild
Reply to  SkepticGoneWild
May 13, 2015 2:43 am

David A squealed, “Dear Skeptic, I ……” Just kidding.
Thanks for the comments and tip. I’ll try to tone it down.

SkepticGoneWild
Reply to  Brandon Gates
May 13, 2015 1:36 am

Brandon stated, “The short rebuttal is that the 2nd law does not preclude a warmer body from absorbing energy from a cooler one. It only stipulates that net energy movement will always be in the direction of the warmer body to the cooler one. The word NET is the key here.”
I guess Clausius did not get your memo. The Second Law states:
“Heat can never pass from a colder to a warmer body without some other change, connected therewith, occurring at the same time”
The term “net” is nowhere to be found. That is your invention.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  SkepticGoneWild
May 13, 2015 2:34 pm

SkepticGoneWild,

I guess Clausius did not get your memo. The Second Law states:
“Heat can never pass from a colder to a warmer body without some other change, connected therewith, occurring at the same time”

Here’s the expanded quote: http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/20044#page/100/mode/1up
This principle, upon which the whole of the following development rests, is as follows :–”Heat can never pass from a colder to a warmer body without some other change, connected therewith, occurring at the same time. Everything we know concerning the interchange of heat between two bodies of different temperatures confirms this, for heat everywhere manifests a tendency to equalize existing differences of temperature, and therefore to pass in a contrary direction, i. e. from warmer to colder bodies.
Emphasis added. How does a warm object “know” when to stop transferring heat to a cooler object?

The term “net” is nowhere to be found. That is your invention.

It’s standard textbook thermodynamics. From the Wikipedia article on the 2nd law, immediately following the Clausius formulation:
The statement by Clausius uses the concept of ‘passage of heat’. As is usual in thermodynamic discussions, this means ‘net transfer of energy as heat’, and does not refer to contributory transfers one way and the other.
The Wikipedia article for black body radiation gives the following:
The net power radiated is the difference between the power emitted and the power absorbed:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/6/3/9/639daf0684603241b007dc69154c2253.png
Applying the Stefan–Boltzmann law,
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/a/4/c/a4c6451a48ecec6d54b27fcf575c6500.png

Camille
Reply to  Brandon Gates
May 13, 2015 2:23 pm

“Brandon Gates : Most of these points have been rebutted a thousand times. Apparently at least 1,001 are required.”
ANSWER: thank you for your interest
“Truth n°1. The Mean Global Temperature has been stable since 1997, despite a continuous increase of the CO2 content of the air: how could one say that the increase of the CO2 content of the air is the cause of the increase of the temperature?
“a) Temperature has risen since the beginning of the industrial revolution coinciding with a rise in CO2, and particularly since 1950 after which there was a marked increase in both the rate of emissions and CO2 accumulation in the atmosphere.”
ANSWER: This assumed covariation has been demonstrated incompatible with the data series of T(t) an [CO2](t) ; the only possible correlation is between d[CO2](t)/dt and T(t) according to statistical tests well known in econometrics; since 1950 , the temperatures have been declining up to 1975, then going up 1975-1996 and are about stable since; lower troposphere global coverage by satellite remote sensing by microwave sensors began end 1978, and those series are to be preferred due to the problems of the terrestrial meteo stations discussed on WUWT. See figures 20-A, 20-B,
“b) Time evolution of radiative forcing from CO2 has been observed directly from both satellite- and ground-based instruments in the spectral bands predicted by line-by-line radiative models fed data from laboratory analysis of CO2.”
ANSWER: I should be happy to learn on those measurements at the tropopause !
The global OLR has been more or less stable since 1974 (figure 21-C) and did not show the regular decrease expected according to Myrhe’s formula while the ppm went from 333 ppm in 1974 to 400 ppm. The oceanic calorimeter may have see the ocean heat content increase by some 140 to 180 ZettaJoule since 1960 but the cumulative radiative forcing is about 1200 to 1500 ZettaJoule, seven times more ! Where did the remaining 1000 to 1300 ZettaJoule go ? IPCC AR5 WG1 page 67 (TFE.4 figure 1) is well aware of the “problem” but assumes an increase of the OLR by about 3 W/m² over the time span 1970-2010: that is not seen in the global OLR series of observations (figure 21-C).
“c) Internal variability is still dominant over short-term (annual/decadal) timeframes”.
ANSWER: Internal variability or “cycles” are well documented: see figures 5-B and 5-C for the 1000 year “cycle”, many papers for the 210 year de Vries cycle (prominent in 14C and 10Be observations of the solar magnetism); for the “60 years” see Truth n°5. If all observations can be explained by such “cycles” there is no need to invoke supra-natural “radiative forcing” by trace gases. The cooling of the stratosphere (lower strato) following each of the volcanic dusts episodes may be related to the automatic cooling of the lower stratosphere when the temperature of the surface increases: this obvious mechanical compensation is described and explained in the old V. A. Belinskii Dynamic Meteorology Ogiz Moscow 1948, The Israël program for scientific translations 1961, 592 pages. Those coolings (after Agung, El Chichon and Pinatubo, but no cooling since 1995) explain the small decrease of the CO2 OLR radiating from layers above the tropopause near 220 K to 230 K.
“Truth n°2. “37% of the cumulative anthropic emissions since the beginning of the Industrial revolution have been emitted since 1997, …” ” See point (c) above. Add: it’s no mystery to climate literature that sometimes internal variability …”
From Vostok and other ice cores we know that it’s the increase of the temperature that drives the subsequent increase of the CO2 content of the air, thanks to ocean out-gassing, and not the opposite. The same process is still at work nowadays] (discussion: p. 7)
“Yes, the outgassing process is still operative today because the laws of physics did not suddenly decide to change. ”
ANSWER: Yes indeed !
“amplify the temperature response to external forcings …”
ANSWER: For a completely carbon-dioxide-free reconstruction of the Vostok temperatures since 450 000 years refer to O. G. Sorokhtin (references on card n°7) chapter 4.4 pp. 180-190 Precession Cycles and the Earth Climate: it explains in detail and computes the quick de-glaciations observed by G.Roe and by Lisiecki & Raymo, with all the “saw-teeth”.
“The sawtooth wave form is particularly consistent with the so-called “greenhouse” effect due to thermal radiative gasses which reduce the rate of heat loss”.
ANSWER: Those tales of “blankets” are super-natural or anti-physical: the cooling of the surface is mostly by evaporation or evapotranspiration; as the net radiative heat transfer surface to air is about nil as explained at length in truth n°6.
“3. The amount of CO2 …no more than 6% of the total CO2 in the air ….the non-anthropic (or natural) delta13C becomes very slowly more negative … which is THE signature of burning fossilized plant matter… ”
ANSWER: No ! There are 24 ppm at -29 pm (anthropic fossil fuel and gas) and 376 ppm at -7 pm (natural); the first is purely anthropic and the 376 ppm (natural) have a decreasing trend as the organic remains oxidized today have the delta13C signatures of the time they were living; remineralisation in the soil takes weeks to centuries depending on the size of the bacteria or of the trees ….
“… with the replacement of CO2 molecules absorbed by the vegetation by molecules out-gassed from soils by the oxidation of the organic material of plants grown years to centuries before: the delta13C of the air was then slightly less negative. … Which argument is given without a whit of substantiation and not a proposed causal mechanism in sight.”
ANSWER: as said the delta13C of the rotting remains is that of the time when the plant or the animal was alive.
“4. The lifetime of CO2 molecules in the atmosphere is about 5 years instead of the 100 years said by IPCC. (discussion: p. 10) ……………………. This conflates the average lifetime of a single molecule with the decay of atmospheric concentration following an increase above equilibrium levels. The notes on this point are self-contradictory: This derivation of [CO2](t) does not assume any given equilibrium between ingress and egress …”
ANSWER: the only assumption made is that absorption is proportional to the CO2 content of the air; it applies equally to the both parts or sets of molecules of the air, the anthropic (24 ppm) and the natural (376 ppm); this makes NO hypothesis about ingress”
“… followed almost immediately by: foutgassing(t) – fabsorbed(t) = k (T(t)- T0) … which is an equilibrium formulation.
ANSWER: : this is not an assumption but an observation see figure 17-B; it applies to the natural set of molecules; I would not call it “equilibrium” as it is temperature and time and latitude dependent; the natural outgassing and the absorption of “natural” molecules occur in quite different places (ocean) or at different seasons or times (land).
“5. The changes of the Mean Global Temperature are more or less sinusoidal with a well defined 60 year period. …. True, but fails to explain why the longer-term mean about which those cycles fluctuate is trending up other than curve-fitting an “approximation by three sinusoids of periods 1000 years, 210 years and 60 years,”
ANSWER: The curve fitting exercise is labeled as such “heuristic”; the lengths of the cycles are from other observations, some displayed on figures 5-B & C ; only the amplitudes and phase of the 215 and 60 years sinusoids are subject to optimization; Singular Spectrum Analysis has been applied by Diego Macias et al (note 18) to the HadCRUT series with equivalent results, and among many others by Liu Yu et al. Amplitudes, rates, periodicities and causes of temperature variations in the past 2485 years and future trends over the central-eastern Tibetan Plateau Chinese Science Bulletin Oct. 2001 with a forecast- temperature decrease 2006-2060…
The “trending up” is a consequence of the phase of the longer “1000 years” and “210 years” cycles, with n assumed maximum over 2000-2020.
” 6. The absorption of the radiation from the surface by the CO2 of the air is nearly saturated. … Oh dear. Radiation extinction over a given path-length is not “CO2 saturation”. Extinction is, however, the primary mechanism by which the so-called “greenhouse effect” operates.”
ANSWER: by “saturation” is usually meant a complete absorption of the radiation of the surface by the carbon dioxide and water vapor of the air: according to Dufresne and Treiner it is saturated and according to Pierrehumbert (Physics Today 2011) it is not; for me 0.8 (W/m²)/400 = 0.2% for a doubling of the CO2 content is” nearly saturated”; 0.8W/m² is the additional absorption for 2xCO2 (e.g. per Hansen 1981)
“8. The sea less than 1.3 mm/year. (discussion: p. 18) ..And yet landed ice mass loss is accelerating. Where is the water going? Not into the atmosphere according to this article.”
ANSWER: to complement the card : the psmsl.org data base has some very interesting measurements of the changes of pressure on the bottom of the ocean with no obvious trend since 1993 (South Drake passage)… where is the +3 mm/year gone ?
“9. The “hot spot” in ..The tropical tropospheric hot spot prediction is not based on water vapour feedback to warming, and it is especially not unique to warming due to any other GHG forcing. In short, it is not a “fingerprint” of AGW. ….The primary mechanism is increased atmospheric convection from the surface. Observations of the tropical troposphere are not in good agreement with each other, so declaring this a fatal modelling flaw is not a tenable argument. Calling it a problem for CO2 radiative forcing is bizarrely wrong.”
ANSWER:
(1) PNAS , oct. 22, 2013 Ben Santer et al name it a fingerprint of the anthropic influence (ANT)
(1 bis) Santer, B.D et al. Consistency of modelled and observed temperature trends in the tropical troposphere. Int. J. Climatol. 2008, doi:1002/joc.1756
(2) for the IPCC AR4 report : http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/figure-9-1.html
see comments http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/10/hotspots-and-fingerprints/ : ” it is this “warming and humidifying of the global atmosphere” and the resulting “acceleration of the hydrologic cycle” that creates the upper troposphere hotspot. Ergo, no hotspot means no powerful water vapor amplification mechanism and no CO2-based account of late 20th century warming
(3) for the IPCC TAR see http://climateaudit.org/2008/12/28/gavin-and-the-big-red-dog/
(4) the hot spot has been discussed in IPCC AR2 as a proof of the human causation see references and discussions in http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2013/11/ipcc_s_bogus_evidence_for_global_warming.html
“10. The water vapour content of the air …. Water vapour content is largely a function of temperature, particularly ocean surface and near-surface temperature. The oceans are frigid at depth, and the rate at which those cool waters are exposed to the surface is not constant. The balance of the note goes on to ignore:… by throwing up lots of plots showing wv content in the upper layers of the atmosphere”.
ANSWER: the role of the upper layers of the water vapour (wv) on the OLR has been said on figures 6-C and 6-D ; less wv means a higher OLR over significant parts of the water vapour spectrum (figure 6-A) compared to the ten(s) of cm-1 of the tropospheric CO2. The “lower and warmer” wv mechanism compensate the “higher and cooler” effect said for CO2 near 600 cm-1 and 720 cm-1.
This effect at 200 mbar to 400 mbar is unrelated to the “frigid depths of the ocean”
“13. The measurements .. Mention of significant regional difference may suggest more abject cherry-picking …”
ANSWER / QUESTION: does this insult refer to the observations of Argo buoys collated by the Scripps Institution (figure 13 A) ?!
“15. The Stefan Boltzmann …remembers that ε is not constant for all materials at any given wavelength”
ANSWER: it is k(nu, P, T) that is wavelength dependent not epsilonn ; the annex 15-A shows an example of abuse of the SB formula
“16. The trace gases ….. The short rebuttal is that the 2nd law does not preclude a warmer body from absorbing energy from a cooler one. It only stipulates that net energy movement will always be in the direction of the warmer body to the cooler one. The word NET is the key here.”
ANSWER: it has been said again and again that (truth n°1 and elsewhere): The radiative heat flow from a body A to a body B is: (radiation from A absorbed by B) minus (radiation of B absorbed by A) … what you call “net”
“17. The temperatures have …. This is basically a repeat of previous points about Vostok ice cores”.
ANSWER: The most important point is figure 17-B, a direct proof from observations that d[CO2]natural /dt = k (T(t)- T0)
“18. The CLOUD And the fatal problem for AGW is … what?”
ANSWER: Since 1998 (http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.81.5027) and 2007 (Svensmark & Calder The Chilling Stars: A New Theory of Climate Change) the findings of the danish group have been corroborated by a group of specialist of the planetary magnetism in Paris and Moscow with two distinguished members of the French Academy of sciences, since 2005: Jean-Louis Le Mouel, Kossobokov, Courtillot et al. On long-term variations of simple geomagnetic indices and slow changes in magnetospheric currents: The emergence of anthropogenic global warming after 1990? Earth & Planetary Science Letters (2005) and many papers afterwards
If the solar magnetism is very closely correlated to temperatures, then there is no need of carbon dioxide and “forcing” based tales to explain the observations.
“19. Numerical “Climate models” … This is a climate modelling issue, not a fundamental challenge to GHG radiative forcing. An aside: one of the reasons that clouds modulate temperature so effectively is not just the albedo increase which bounces downwelling short wave radiation back into space, but because they radiate IR back to the surface thus reducing the net rate of thermal radiative loss.”
ANSWER: several of the “truths” have shown that the “GHG radiative forcing” is NOT a physical effect but, from its very definition by IPCC, a computational trick that assumes that the tropospheric temperature and humidity are kept constant … during up to 200 years (the time needed to double the ppm of CO2 at +2 ppm/year).
In addition as explained on page 5 (truth n°1) GH= (radiation from the surface) minus (outgoing longwave radiation (OLR) has NO physical meaning as energy and cannot be added as done ( for instance Lacis, Hansen et al. Tellus 2013) to the real solar energy absorbed by the surface.
To be energy or more properly, heat transferred, the one-way upwelling radiation from the surface absorbed by the air should be reduced by subtraction of the down-welling radiation of the air absorbed by the surface
Note that by subtraction of the (about 20 W/m² in global average) flow surface to cosmos of both terms of GH, GH expression becomes
GH= (radiation from the surface absorbed by the air ) minus (outgoing longwave radiation from the air)
which has absolutely no physical sense !
To get a physically valid quantity you have to add the radiation of the cosmos absorbed by the air (a few µW/m²) and to subtract the radiation of the air absorbed by the surface.
“20. The forecasts … A forward-looking AOGCM is not used to “prove” CO2-driven AGW. Evidence of that comes mainly from past observation.”
ANSWER: Observations are the time series T(t), [CO2](t) and emissions(t); as d[CO2]natural(t)/dt correlates with T(t) and as no other correlation is (mathematically) allowed (by statistical tests) then the [CO2 natural] is, as shown as well on figure 17-B, a consequence of the past temperatures (their time integral) and cannot be their cause.
This proves that there is no and can be no evidence of “CO2-driven AGW”

Brandon Gates
Reply to  Camille
May 13, 2015 7:46 pm

Camille,

This assumed covariation has been demonstrated incompatible with the data series of T(t) an [CO2](t) ; the only possible correlation is between d[CO2](t)/dt and T(t) according to statistical tests well known in econometrics

No. The Myhre relationship T = α(C/C₀), which is a time-independent expression of equilibrium climate sensitivity, can be used to estimate transient response to CO2 forcing for an arbitrarily short period of time, with the caveat that arbitrarily short does not mean a week, a year, or even a decade. Half a century works well for me, but I get the best results using 1850 or 1880 to present.

I should be happy to learn on those measurements at the tropopause !

At TOA is most common and robust. At the surface is next, and getting better as more ground-based stations directly measuring downwelling radiation across the spectrum by wavelength are deployed.

The global OLR has been more or less stable since 1974 (figure 21-C) and did not show the regular decrease expected according to Myrhe’s formula while the ppm went from 333 ppm in 1974 to 400 ppm.

AS in my original post, OLR is a function of temperature according to the Stefan-Boltzmann relationship, not Myhre: j = σεT⁴
When measured from space, OLR is going to pick up two things:
1) LWR direct from the surface and cloud tops in the so-called “atmospheric window” spectral bands.
2) Re-emitted LWR from GHG molecules at altitude.
Particularly since cloud cover varies, OLR as seen from space does not make for a good indicator of surface temperature. This is why RSS and UAH use the microwave band for taking atmospheric temps, not infrared sounders, and why we still used ground-based thermometers for the surface.

The oceanic calorimeter may have see the ocean heat content increase by some 140 to 180 ZettaJoule since 1960 but the cumulative radiative forcing is about 1200 to 1500 ZettaJoule, seven times more ! Where did the remaining 1000 to 1300 ZettaJoule go ? IPCC AR5 WG1 page 67 (TFE.4 figure 1) is well aware of the “problem” but assumes an increase of the OLR by about 3 W/m² over the time span 1970-2010: that is not seen in the global OLR series of observations (figure 21-C).

A relevant quote from that section:
As the climate system warms, energy is lost to space through increased outgoing radiation. This radiative response by the system is due predominantly to increased thermal radiation, but it is modified by climate feedbacks such as changes in water vapour, clouds and surface albedo, which affect both outgoing longwave and reflected shortwave radiation. The top of the atmosphere fluxes have been measured by the Earth Radiation Budget Experiment (ERBE) satellites from 1985 to 1999 and the Cloud and the Earth’s Radiant Energy System (CERES) satellites from March 2000 to the present. The top of the atmosphere radiative flux measurements are highly precise, allowing identification of changes in the Earth’s net energy budget from year to year within the ERBE and CERES missions, but the absolute calibration of the instruments is not sufficiently accurate to allow determination of the absolute top of the atmosphere energy flux or to provide continuity across missions.
Since it’s not been observed going out — which is where your note about OLR does become relevant — it must have stayed in. Note here the difference between precision and accuracy. When counting joules in absolute terms you need accuracy, which ERBE and CERES do not have. For net flux calculations to derive energy balance, precision is the main requirement, which ERBE and CERES provide.
I don’t like it that Trenberth can’t account for the missing heat any more than he does, but 1st Law triumphs over energy-destroying hobgoblins every time.

If all observations can be explained by such “cycles” there is no need to invoke supra-natural “radiative forcing” by trace gases.

Big if. Here’s the point where I issue my standard challenge: build an AOGCM which explains the past 2,000 years to present better than CMIP5 without invoking any atmospheric radiative transfers from CO2 and you’ll have my full and undivided attention. Until then, you’re just making noise.

Those coolings (after Agung, El Chichon and Pinatubo, but no cooling since 1995) explain the small decrease of the CO2 OLR radiating from layers above the tropopause near 220 K to 230 K.

I think I agree with you there. What I don’t understand how that in any way challenges CO2’s radiative role in the lower troposphere.

For a completely carbon-dioxide-free reconstruction of the Vostok temperatures since 450 000 years refer to O. G. Sorokhtin (references on card n°7) chapter 4.4 pp. 180-190 Precession Cycles and the Earth Climate: it explains in detail and computes the quick de-glaciations observed by G.Roe and by Lisiecki & Raymo, with all the “saw-teeth”.

How about a quick summary instead.

Those tales of “blankets” are super-natural or anti-physical …

You must be a fan of electric blankets then.

… the cooling of the surface is mostly by evaporation or evapotranspiration …

Academic. You know this because every working climatologist today knows this.

… as the net radiative heat transfer surface to air is about nil as explained at length in truth n°6.

lol. No. n°6 gave me a headache the first time I read it. The main thesis is The absorption of the radiation from the surface by the CO2 of the air is nearly saturated and then goes on to talk about everything but. We have direct observation from ground-based instruments which measure downwelling and upwelling LWR separately and the results are entirely consistent with Trenberth’s energy budget cartoon, from whence it is we also find the surface fluxes for convection and evapotranspiration.
Try this: http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/surfrad/
I’ve spent countless enjoyable and self-educational hours crunching data downloaded from their servers.

No ! There are 24 ppm at -29 pm (anthropic fossil fuel and gas) and 376 ppm at -7 pm (natural); the first is purely anthropic and the 376 ppm (natural) have a decreasing trend as the organic remains oxidized today have the delta13C signatures of the time they were living; remineralisation in the soil takes weeks to centuries depending on the size of the bacteria or of the trees ….

Absent our influence, or major environmental disruptions, the carbon cycle is based on equilibrium processes …

… as said the delta13C of the rotting remains is that of the time when the plant or the animal was alive.

… and you are proposing that something other than us has disrupted that equilibrium process. So, if not us, what?

“… followed almost immediately by: foutgassing(t) – fabsorbed(t) = k (T(t)- T0) … which is an equilibrium formulation.
ANSWER: : this is not an assumption but an observation see figure 17-B; it applies to the natural set of molecules; I would not call it “equilibrium” as it is temperature and time and latitude dependent; the natural outgassing and the absorption of “natural” molecules occur in quite different places (ocean) or at different seasons or times (land).

I’m not quibbling about whether it’s an assumption or an observation. It’s an equilibrium formulation plain and simple. Understand and own it as such no matter how it is derived.

The curve fitting exercise is labeled as such “heuristic”; the lengths of the cycles are from other observations …

Such correlations want a plausible physical mechanism associated with them to be compelling. The radiative forcing of CO2 has such a plausible physical mechanism, as does the observed fact that absorbed solar energy tends to warm things up. The nifty thing is that CO2’s radiative properties explain the predicted and observed stratospheric cooling to boot.
Venus also makes a lot more sense when one takes the time to learn about the actual first principles of physics from readily available standard texts on the subject.

… by “saturation” is usually meant a complete absorption of the radiation of the surface by the carbon dioxide and water vapor of the air …

No. I wrote earlier that “complete absorption” is another way of saying “extinction” which is not precisely correct because extinction can occur without absorption — refractive and reflective scattering will do it as well. Complete absorption is THE reason that potent GHGs like water vapour and CO2 reduce the rate of heat loss from the surface and lower levels of the atmosphere. Look up Beer-Lambert law for the beginning of the explanation.
What is generally meant by “the CO2 effect is saturated” is that additional concentrations of the gas will not have any additional radiative effect. Explanations vary, and every one I have ever read has been utter nonsense. Increasing the optical thickness of a medium at any wavelength only ever increases its ability to ultimately scatter a beam of radiation at that wavelength attempting to traverse it.

to complement the card : the psmsl.org data base has some very interesting measurements of the changes of pressure on the bottom of the ocean with no obvious trend since 1993 (South Drake passage)… where is the +3 mm/year gone ?

I have no clue. How about you tell me.

“9. The “hot spot” in ..The tropical tropospheric hot spot prediction is not based on water vapour feedback to warming, and it is especially not unique to warming due to any other GHG forcing. In short, it is not a “fingerprint” of AGW. ….The primary mechanism is increased atmospheric convection from the surface. Observations of the tropical troposphere are not in good agreement with each other, so declaring this a fatal modelling flaw is not a tenable argument. Calling it a problem for CO2 radiative forcing is bizarrely wrong.”
ANSWER:
(1) PNAS , oct. 22, 2013 Ben Santer et al name it a fingerprint of the anthropic influence (ANT)

No: We perform a multimodel detection and attribution study with climate model simulation output and satellite-based measurements of tropospheric and stratospheric temperature change. We use simulation output from 20 climate models participating in phase 5 of the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project. This multimodel archive provides estimates of the signal pattern in response to combined anthropogenic and natural external forcing (the fingerprint) and the noise of internally generated variability. Using these estimates, we calculate signal-to-noise (S/N) ratios to quantify the strength of the fingerprint in the observations relative to fingerprint strength in natural climate noise.
The “fingerprint” they’re looking for here is both natural and anthropogenic external forcings as opposed to internal variability in BOTH the troposphere and stratosphere.

(1 bis) Santer, B.D et al. Consistency of modelled and observed temperature trends in the tropical troposphere. Int. J. Climatol. 2008, doi:1002/joc.1756

Abstract does NOT call tropical stratospheric warming THE fingerprint. Here it is in full:
Abstract
A recent report of the U.S. Climate Change Science Program (CCSP) identified a ‘potentially serious inconsistency’ between modelled and observed trends in tropical lapse rates (Karl et al., 2006). Early versions of satellite and radiosonde datasets suggested that the tropical surface had warmed more than the troposphere, while climate models consistently showed tropospheric amplification of surface warming in response to human-caused increases in well-mixed greenhouse gases (GHGs). We revisit such comparisons here using new observational estimates of surface and tropospheric temperature changes. We find that there is no longer a serious discrepancy between modelled and observed trends in tropical lapse rates.
This emerging reconciliation of models and observations has two primary explanations. First, because of changes in the treatment of buoy and satellite information, new surface temperature datasets yield slightly reduced tropical warming relative to earlier versions. Second, recently developed satellite and radiosonde datasets show larger warming of the tropical lower troposphere. In the case of a new satellite dataset from Remote Sensing Systems (RSS), enhanced warming is due to an improved procedure of adjusting for inter-satellite biases. When the RSS-derived tropospheric temperature trend is compared with four different observed estimates of surface temperature change, the surface warming is invariably amplified in the tropical troposphere, consistent with model results. Even if we use data from a second satellite dataset with smaller tropospheric warming than in RSS, observed tropical lapse rate trends are not significantly different from those in all other model simulations.
Our results contradict a recent claim that all simulated temperature trends in the tropical troposphere and in tropical lapse rates are inconsistent with observations. This claim was based on use of older radiosonde and satellite datasets, and on two methodological errors: the neglect of observational trend uncertainties introduced by interannual climate variability, and application of an inappropriate statistical ‘consistency test’.

Which is pretty much exactly what I wrote in my original response with a few additional details about reconciling the differences between observational datasets.

(2) for the IPCC AR4 report :
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/fig/figure-9-1-l.png

Here’s the caption: Figure 9.1. Zonal mean atmospheric temperature change from 1890 to 1999 (°C per century) as simulated by the PCM model from (a) solar forcing, (b) volcanoes, (c) well-mixed greenhouse gases, (d) tropospheric and stratospheric ozone changes, (e) direct sulphate aerosol forcing and (f) the sum of all forcings. Plot is from 1,000 hPa to 10 hPa (shown on left scale) and from 0 km to 30 km (shown on right). See Appendix 9.C for additional information. Based on Santer et al. (2003a).
Note in panel (a) solar forcing that, aside from the high northern latitudes, the most warming also occurs in the tropics between 200-300 hPa, but that unlike in panel (c) well-mixed greenhouse gasses that the warming goes all the way to TOA. The marked cooling beginning at about 75 hPa and going to TOA in the GHG panel are THE anthropogenic fingerprint in this graphic.
As I mentioned previously, any increased external forcing is expected to produce a tropical tropospheric “hot spot” by way of deep convective processes in the equatorial oceans — it is not at all specific to GHG — or CO2 — forcing whatsoever.

This effect at 200 mbar to 400 mbar is unrelated to the “frigid depths of the ocean”

But when cooler water from depth is manifest at the surface, which it does in cycles, it IS relevant to wv content at 1000 mbar. Plotting wv content against CO2 concentration is ridiculous to the extreme — CO2 does not regulate wv content. SST however, does.

“13. The measurements .. Mention of significant regional difference may suggest more abject cherry-picking …”
ANSWER / QUESTION: does this insult refer to the observations of Argo buoys collated by the Scripps Institution (figure 13 A) ?!

I wrote: Figure 13-B Ocean Heat content of the North-Atlantic (30°N-65°N) from 1955 to 1st Q 2014.
What do you think?

“15. The Stefan Boltzmann …remembers that ε is not constant for all materials at any given wavelength”
ANSWER: it is k(nu, P, T) that is wavelength dependent not epsilonn

http://www.deltat.com/pdf/Infrared%20Energy,%20Emissivity,%20Reflection%20%26%20Transmission.pdf
Non-Greybody Materials
A non-greybody material is one that has a different emissivity value at different wavelengths. For opaque materials the tendency for the emissivity to vary with wavelength is typically due to the physical size of the microscopic surface features of the material. For non-greybody materials, the tendency of the material to absorb, reflect or transmit infrared energy varies with wavelength. Non-opaque non-greybody materials called selective emitters are discussed in a separate section below.

“16. The trace gases ….. The short rebuttal is that the 2nd law does not preclude a warmer body from absorbing energy from a cooler one. It only stipulates that net energy movement will always be in the direction of the warmer body to the cooler one. The word NET is the key here.”
ANSWER: it has been said again and again that (truth n°1 and elsewhere): The radiative heat flow from a body A to a body B is: (radiation from A absorbed by B) minus (radiation of B absorbed by A) … what you call “net”

So when is it going to dawn on you that rate of heat flow from warm to cool is dependent upon how far away from zero net flux is?

“17. The temperatures have …. This is basically a repeat of previous points about Vostok ice cores”.
ANSWER: The most important point is figure 17-B, a direct proof from observations that d[CO2]natural /dt = k (T(t)- T0)

That section ends with:
constant increase of the [CO2] content of the air = temperatures stable w.r.t to the reference T0
Conclusion: The CO2 content of the air is a consequence of the temperature(s) and can not be their cause

The former statement is not in dispute. Solubility of CO2 in aqueous solution as a function of temperature is basic 1st year chemistry. The latter statement is purest rubbish of the most woefully ignorant possible. For the love of all that is rationally logical, what does CO2’s tendency to come out of solution as T goes up have to do with the radiative properties of the molecule in its gaseous phase in the atmosphere?!
If the solar magnetism is very closely correlated to temperatures, then there is no need of carbon dioxide and “forcing” based tales to explain the observations.
Here’s the abstract:
Abstract
During the last solar cycle Earth’s cloud cover underwent a modulation more closely in phase with the galactic cosmic ray flux than with other solar activity parameters. Further it is found that Earth’s temperature follows more closely decade variations in galactic cosmic ray flux and solar cycle length, than other solar activity parameters. The main conclusion is that the average state of the heliosphere affects Earth’s climate.

Nothing in there precludes a radiative role for CO2, water vapour or any other IR-active species. If you think it does, then you also need to believe that this paper “proves” that TSI is an irrelevant solar activity parameter.

To get a physically valid quantity you have to add the radiation of the cosmos absorbed by the air (a few µW/m²) and to subtract the radiation of the air absorbed by the surface.

Is that a “mu” before W/m²? As in micro Watts per square-meter? Really?

“20. The forecasts … A forward-looking AOGCM is not used to “prove” CO2-driven AGW. Evidence of that comes mainly from past observation.”
ANSWER: Observations are the time series T(t), [CO2](t) and emissions(t); as d[CO2]natural(t)/dt correlates with T(t) and as no other correlation is (mathematically) allowed (by statistical tests) then the [CO2 natural] is, as shown as well on figure 17-B, a consequence of the past temperatures (their time integral) and cannot be their cause.
This proves that there is no and can be no evidence of “CO2-driven AGW”

I’m completely out of original ways to respond to these rubbish false dichotomies, except to wonder out loud where it is written in statistical texts that there is only one allowable mathematical model for a T to CO2 relationship.

Reply to  Camille
May 14, 2015 7:07 am

Brandon,
constant increase of the [CO2] content of the air = temperatures stable w.r.t to the reference T0
Is worse than you thought: Henry’s law is:
ΔpCO2 = k*(T-T0)
where k = ~8 ppmv/K (4-17 ppmv/K according to the literature).
Point 17 in the article says:
dCO2/dt = k*(T-T0)
which means whatever small change in temperature you have, CO2 will rise in the atmosphere until eternity, without any feedback from the increased pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere. That is pure nonsense and only based on curve fitting of two straight lines (T increase and dCO2/dt increase) thereby attributing T for the full rise in dCO2/dt. That is based on the excellent fit of the variability of T and dCO2/dt, but variability and trend have nothing to do with each other: variability is caused by the temperature influence on (tropical) vegetation, while the trend is not caused by vegetation changes (vegetation is an increasing sink for CO2)…
In reality, the slightly quadratic increase of human emissions over time are twice the increase in the atmosphere and are the main cause of the increase.
The real formula for the rise of CO2 with temperature is:
dCO2/dt = k*(T-T0) – ΔpCO2
where ΔpCO2 is the rise in CO2 since t= 0. as ΔpCO2 increases over time, dCO2/dt goes to zero. At that moment we get:
ΔpCO2 = k*(T-T0)
which is what Henry’s law says…

Brandon Gates
Reply to  Camille
May 14, 2015 5:28 pm

Ferdinand Engelbeen,

Is worse than you thought: Henry’s law is:
ΔpCO2 = k*(T-T0)
where k = ~8 ppmv/K (4-17 ppmv/K according to the literature).
Point 17 in the article says:
dCO2/dt = k*(T-T0)
which means whatever small change in temperature you have, CO2 will rise in the atmosphere until eternity, without any feedback from the increased pressure of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Yes that is worse than I thought, good catch.

The real formula for the rise of CO2 with temperature is:
dCO2/dt = k*(T-T0) – ΔpCO2

Which is sane and really shouldn’t be at all controversial.

David
May 12, 2015 3:04 pm

Point 16 and the associated commentary encapsulate the kind of fallacy that makes it all-too easy for mainstream scientists to dismiss all ‘skeptics’ as cranks. The author misrepresents the 2nd law of thermodynamics and then compounds the felony by propounding a doctrine (the idea that gravity by itself can create a permanent gradient of temperature in an atmosphere) which really does violate the law. One can imagine that gravity could in special circumstances produce a temporary gradient of temperature, e.g. if a planet previously without an atmosphere acquires one by passing through a cloud of gas, but what is then to maintain the gradient against the tendency for heat to be equalised throughout the atmosphere? Or simply radiated into space?

Michael Hammer
Reply to  David
May 12, 2015 3:38 pm

I agree David, most of the points made are very credible but point 16 is simply wrong. The true situation is that without the green house gas the surface radiates to space which is at 4K while with ghg it radiates to to ghg at a temperature around 200K or higher. The back radiation from a 4K source is far less than from a 200K source so the net energy loss (radiated energy – received energy) is greater when radiating to space so the surface temperature will be lower. Just as you feel colder standing outside on a cold winters night compared to standing in a warm room.
His point 6 is also wrong. Yes at the line center the absorption of CO2 is “saturated: – surface emission totally replaced by emission from the top of the ghg column but as the conc of the ghg increases, the line width increases so the ghg starts to absorb over a greater and greater range of wavelengths – this is the cause of the logarithmic relationship between concentration and absorption.

David A
Reply to  Michael Hammer
May 12, 2015 10:41 pm

I did not read that “the idea that gravity by itself can create a permanent gradient of temperature in an atmosphere” other then the idea that atmospheric density by itself creates greater heat capacity, thus a longer residence time for energy to saturate while insolation continues unabated. This is not controversial.

David
Reply to  David
May 13, 2015 7:14 am

Replying to David A (comment of May 12 at 10:41 p.m.)
The author says ‘There is no need of heat to “warm the surface” because its temperature is a consequence of the gravitation and of the mass of the air, both on Earth and on Venus.’
I’m not sure what he means by this, but I took him to be endorsing the ‘theory’ that gravity by itself is responsible for a temperature gradient in the atmosphere. This seems to be quite a popular idea in some quarters. The phrase ‘there is no need of heat to “warm the surface”‘ does seem to imply a source of heat other than solar radiation, and the author immediately goes on to mention gravitation. Indeed, for anyone who denies the basic principle of the greenhouse effect, as the author seems to, there is a need to explain why the average temperature at the surface of the Earth (or Venus) is higher than it ‘should’ be at the relevant distance from the Sun. Hence the appeal to gravity! But as I pointed out in my comment, any gravitational heating effect due to compression of the gases in the atmosphere would only be temporary, as the heat would be dissipated by radiation.
But if you don’t think this is what the author meant, feel free to ignore my comments.

David A
Reply to  David
May 13, 2015 3:22 pm

To Richard C; thanks, and essentially I agree with “Your “above” implies that Brandon Gates posts information he understands” in that I am often not certain he even understand the simple CAGW criticism made, as he often does not respond to that message. However I will stipulate that my comment was meant to imply that Brandon’s competence, was in the direction of forcing long answers to simple statements he makes, like calling anyone that implies that billions of political dollars and the politics of government power have a corrupting influence on the science, a “paranoid conspiracy nut” So, in a sense, I was politely calling him a competent troll.
I wavier in this, in that sometimes he is good at refuting poor skeptical arguments, although he usually includes the a gratuitous insult at the entire skeptic community in that response. He apparently fails to realize that t CAGW is a single hypothesis, posed as a theory, and therefore skepticism of that is inclusive of every degree and manner of skepticism, competent or not. Sometimes he clearly grasps what he is talking about, at other times he is simply arm waving like a hummingbird and even if he perfectly understands his own post, it is not cogent to the skeptical argument conveyed, nor does the technical correctness of it, in any way support CAGW.
I take the time to go point by point through his posts, because the may confuse a person new to the subject of CAGW. I always appreciate your posts Richard. Much thanks
David A

David A
Reply to  David
May 13, 2015 9:57 pm

David quotes, “‘There is no need of heat to “warm the surface” because its temperature is a consequence of the gravitation and of the mass of the air, both on Earth and on Venus.’
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The first part is a bit ambiguous, but the second in no way attempts to refute down welling radiation. The density of gas molecules, caused by gravity, is the primary element determining their heat capacity. Take the same single gas in an atmosphere. Heat them all to the same. The amount of the gas, in conjunction with the gravitational pull of the planet, determines how hot each sq meter is. Raise a thermometer through the atmosphere of the same molecules vibrating or moving at the same T. As the thermometer rises, it will record an ever lower T as fewer molecules strike the thermometer. This is due to gravity.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  David
May 13, 2015 9:57 pm

David A,

However I will stipulate that my comment was meant to imply that Brandon’s competence, was in the direction of forcing long answers to simple statements he makes, like calling anyone that implies that billions of political dollars and the politics of government power have a corrupting influence on the science, a “paranoid conspiracy nut”

I don’t think I’ve used those exact words on this blog, as that’s one of the the surest way to the bit bins there is. Elsewhere I’ve said far worse, but not because I’ve drunk the Kool-Aid that graft and corruption absolutely do not exist at all levels of gummint when there are monies from the public till to be had by any vested interest.
Difference between you and me so far as I can tell is that my method for looking out for it is to evaluate the actual claims being made and seeing if I can reconcile them against first principles used across multiple disciplines. For AGW, that is rather easy, as the basic physics have been on the books since the 19th century, and because I first learned of them in high school textbooks.

So, in a sense, I was politely calling him a competent troll.

Such a gentleman.

I wavier in this, in that sometimes he is good at refuting poor skeptical arguments, although he usually includes the a gratuitous insult at the entire skeptic community in that response.

I reserve my most scathing individual jibes for those who misrepresent my words.

He apparently fails to realize that CAGW is a single hypothesis, posed as a theory, and therefore skepticism of that is inclusive of every degree and manner of skepticism, competent or not.

You apparently fail to recognize, repeatedly, that you’re a lousy mind-reader. I’m quite well aware that there is no one school of climate contrarianism, which fact can be a source of frustration. Selective data acceptance is one of my most persistent annoyances, though it can be darkly amusing — and quite telling — to be accused of denying a particular data point when in fact what I dispute is the interpretation of it.
I do agree with you that there is one single hypothesis about the main cause of AGW. There is NOT one single hypothesis about the putative effects. Your first clue should be the published range for ECS: 1.5-4.5 K per doubling of CO2. It was a valiant effort on your part to attempt to fit we “alarmists” into one box, but sorry, no dice. I assure you, we warmies are no more monolithic in our understanding of the relevant science, nor our views on what the risks are, and especially not the solutions we prefer and certainly not how we think best to go about implementing them.
Funny how it’s ok for you to use the broad brush, but not me, isn’t it. This aggravates me almost as much as selective data acceptance. Ooh, and vastly unequal standards of proof. That last one really turns my crank.

Camille
Reply to  David
May 15, 2015 10:11 am

reply for David 7:14 am and David A
from dP= -rho g dz (barometric equation), rho = P/(RT) and dH= Cp dT – dP /rho and dH= Ch dT you get the well known relation between pressure and temperature ; one partial case is the adiabatic Ch=0; the tropospheric temperature gradient g/(Cp+ Ch) is a function of the gravitational acceleration 9,8 m/s²
The use of the word “heating” or “gravitational heating” or “additional heat” is quite misleading because there is no “heating”; the temperature is related to the pressure! Ascending air cools
The only heating is from solar infrared (absorbed by water vapour) and condensation (of water vapour); the heating in the altitude explains the Ch.
This heating of the air “from above” explains the fact that the lapse rate is between-5 K/km to – 8 K/km depending on the exact value of Ch at the place , altitude and time considered and not the adiabatic lapse rate of -9.8 K/km.
The changes of the temperatures with compression and expansion are well explained in many text books and in practical equipment since the machines of James Watt (about 1750-1780)
The radiative cooling occurs only on the top layers (around the surface of optical thickness t=1 from the top of the air as shown on figure 6-C and 6-D; it is compensated by the heat delivered by absorption of solar infrared and by condensation.
There is no radiative effect or radiative transfer of heat across an opaque material like the air (figure 6-A except in the window where 20 W/m² go un-intercepted from surface to cosmos).
As explained at length in the post the only radaitive effect is the cooling of the “top of the air” at the optical frequency of interest (localized as pressure versus optical frequency in figures 6D or 6-C)

May 12, 2015 3:17 pm

“12. The sum of the surfaces of the Arctic and Antarctic icepacks is about constant, their trends are phase-opposite; hence their total albedo is about constant. (discussion: p. 25)”
Actually, this means that earth’s albedo is increasing, since Antarctic sea iceis about five times as reflective as Arctic, due to its stretching farther toward the equator, being lighter in color and other physical reasons.

Reply to  sturgishooper
May 13, 2015 4:47 am

I’m not sure how the sum of their surfaces could possibly be seen as constant when they’re both busy losing massive amounts of ice. ps – The gains in Antarctic sea-ice are miniscule by comparison to losses in land ice.

RACookPE1978
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Reply to  Douglas Hollis
May 13, 2015 5:08 am

Douglas Hollis

I’m not sure how the sum of their surfaces could possibly be seen as constant when they’re both busy losing massive amounts of ice. ps – The gains in Antarctic sea-ice are miniscule by comparison to losses in land ice.

?? We’ve stated before that the simple “sum” of Arctic sea ice and Antarctic sea is misleading – The Antarctic sea is much more important over the course of the year than the Arctic, at times receiving 5 times the energy that the Arctic sea ice gets. 8 months of the year, the slowly decreasing Arctic sea ice actually allows more heat to be lost from the Arctic ocean that it gains from the very low sunlight levels that are present due to increased evaporation, convection, conduction and radiation losses.
You are wrong about Antarctic land ice … the actual losses are conjecture only “measured” after assumed geological rebound numbers are inserted into the GRACE data. The gains in Antarctic sea ice – the sea ice area that DOES MATTER to albedo are 25%, 30% and as high as 43% GREATER than the 1980-2010 “average” sea ice for each day of the year. The tiny 5-7% loss of Arctic sea ice is very small to the earth’s radiation heat balance compared to that.
The CAGW community propagandizes the cracking of a single glacier in north Greenland that broke off a Manhattan-size chunk of ice. Would they notice if an area the size of Greenland suddenly froze up one April day, and did not melt again until the next October??

May 12, 2015 3:19 pm

6. The absorption of the radiation from the surface by the CO2 of the air is nearly saturated.
7. In some geological periods the CO2 content of the air has been up to 20 times today’s content, and there has been no runaway temperature increase!

If #6 is true, then #7 cannot be true. Conversely, is #7 is true, then #6 is false. If the air is near saturated at 400ppm then it cannot hold 20 times that!

Reply to  Roy Denio
May 12, 2015 3:34 pm

He is speaking of the absorption capability, not the level of CO2 in the air as being “saturated”. So in fact, #6 supports #7, since going up to thousands of ppmv had so little added effect that no runaway heating occurred.
Admittedly, the sun was 4-5% weaker in the Cambrian and Ordovician Periods, but with ~7000 ppmv of CO2 (and lower O2), Hansen’s “Venus Express” should still have left the station, were his delusional, imaginary forcings at work.

Reply to  Roy Denio
May 12, 2015 6:54 pm

sturgishooper,
Correctomundo. This chart shows the diminishing effect of adding more CO2:comment image
That chart clearly demonstrates why adding even another 20%, 30%, or 40% more CO2 will not cause any measurable rise in global temperature.
It also explains why there has been no measurable rise in global temperature from the rise in CO2 from 300 ppm to 400 ppm. It’s the ‘painted window’ effect: the first coat of paint blocks almost all the light. Subsequent coats of paint have very little effect.

Phil.
Reply to  dbstealey
May 15, 2015 4:39 am

dbstealey May 14, 2015 at 11:58 am
Well, it’s clear that “Phil.” doesn’t have a clue about my point. Maybe he believes an atmosphere can hold 110% CO2.

Stealey doesn’t understand that % is a ratio, not an amount, there is no limit to the ‘amount’ of CO2 that the atmosphere can hold.

The other Phil
Reply to  Roy Denio
May 12, 2015 7:35 pm

You misunderstand the point. Saturation does not mean the maximum amount of CO2 that the atmosphere can hold.

Reply to  The other Phil
May 13, 2015 11:24 am

I don’t understand. The maximum amount of CO2 an atmosphere can hold is 100%.

Phil.
Reply to  The other Phil
May 13, 2015 2:06 pm

dbstealey May 13, 2015 at 11:24 am
I don’t understand. The maximum amount of CO2 an atmosphere can hold is 100%.

Clearly you don’t understand, % isn’t an ‘amount’, there is no limit to the amount of CO2 that an atmosphere can hold, as illustrated by Mars and Venus. Also your concept of the multiple layers on paint is not a good model for the atmosphere, that’s not how it works. Once the central frequency of the absorption line is blocked the extra light blocked at the neighboring frequencies becomes more important which is what leads to the logarithmic dependance and ultimately to a square root dependance.

Reply to  The other Phil
May 14, 2015 11:58 am

Well, it’s clear that “Phil.” doesn’t have a clue about my point. Maybe he believes an atmosphere can hold 110% CO2.

May 12, 2015 3:36 pm

“Science” definitely affected politics in WW2.
Yes, the “science” was used to achieve a political aim. (Preserve freedom?)
The big difference, the huge difference, is that the “science” had to actually produce a result that was reality.
Dropping a bomb that produced a hole in the ground or a bunch of butterflies would not have induced Japan to surrender.
The science and engineering that ended WW2 had to work in real life.
Today’s “Climate Science” (apologies to the honest practitioners out there) doesn’t need to work in real life.
It just has to achieve a political aim which has little or nothing to do with freedom.

Siberian Husky
May 12, 2015 3:58 pm

What a joke.

Reply to  Siberian Husky
May 12, 2015 4:15 pm

Did you just flex in the mirror?

Camille
May 12, 2015 4:04 pm

Brest is only an exemple as the first line of the huge psmsl database. To get a feeling of the data available please browse:
http://www.psmsl.org/data/bottom_pressure/locations/72.php for the pressure monitoring on the sea bottom since more than 15 years in some places; there is no obvious “trend” of the amount of water above the equipement; if it were increasing at 3. mm/year x 20 years the 60 mm or 6 mbar (=60 kg/m² x 9.8 /100) could exceed the peak to peak “noise”; such a trend is not seen.
http://www.psmsl.org/products/trends/ for an overview of stations (data without correction of subsidence or emergence) ; for GPS corrections see reference 28 (Wöppelmann et al.) and for instance http://www.sonel.org/spip.php?page=gps&idStation=642.php for the GPS data for Brest.

Peter O'Brien
May 12, 2015 4:30 pm

“It is to be noted as well that due to the inertia of the system the heating of the lower atmosphere is by force delayed with respect to its cause, the same way heating a home takes some time to materialize after the central heating has been switched on.”
This sounds reasonable on first glance but ignores the fact that, according to CAGW theory, the warming had materialized prior to 1997. Where, in this analogy, is there a mechanism for the warming to then disappear for a period, despite the putative source of warming not being switched off?

jimmi_the_dalek
May 12, 2015 4:39 pm

Re16.
Is the author trying to say that refrigerators do not work in France?

tonyM
May 12, 2015 4:47 pm

Seems to me that this paper, while good and highlights the issues, can suffer from the same malaise as warmers at times viz cherry picked rationalization.
Truth 1 chooses the period from 1997 to say that CO2 can’t be seen to have an effect on T. Very true. But they don’t then acknowledge that their argument that CO2 changes mainly due to Henry’s Law is also falsified by the same reasoning.
In reality the 1997 start year is an anomalous El Nino year which should not be used as a start point for anything as avg T readings are simply reflections of spreading more heat previously stored in the ocean. Any large anomalous event is a poor start point.
Further “Hence we can say that no CO2 effect on the temperatures has been observed since 1978…” is a nonsense argument as it presupposes an alternative i.e. it does not falsify but relies on its own assumptions (uproven).
I think more valid argument is that the sensitivity between 1945 and 2015 is far, far lower than stated in the IPCC reports even assuming zero natural variability (captures most of modern CO2 emission). Similarly from 1875 the result is a low sensitivity. If CO2 can’t show its effect after 70 and 140 years then it is very likely just nonsense given that we have been coming out of the little ice age.

Richard M
Reply to  tonyM
May 12, 2015 5:51 pm

You forget that the 1997-1998 El Nino is surrounded by La Nina years. The actual effect of the ENSO variations from 1997-2001 is to increase the warming trend. Hence, there is no problem starting in 1997. You can see this clearly by starting a trend in 2001 and seeing that it is fact more negative.

tonyM
Reply to  Richard M
May 12, 2015 8:16 pm

Fine. I choose to start in 2000. Using GISS there is an increase of 0.27C to 2014.
Cherry picked, short term data can readily manipulate the argument. Who is there to state that the El Nino/La Nina was not a blip and part of the transfer of CO2 induced long term warming? Nor is there a claim that an increase must be uniform and that natural variation does not come into play.

MarkW
Reply to  tonyM
May 12, 2015 9:25 pm

You seem to think that these slopes are determined by picking a point at one year, a point at another year, and then using a ruler to draw a line between those two points.

tonyM
Reply to  MarkW
May 12, 2015 10:36 pm

Over a long enough period that is indeed the assertion implied in transient and equilibrium sensitivity.
Do you have a better one? If so perhaps you can state it.

Camille
Reply to  tonyM
May 15, 2015 10:25 am

Please have a look at figure 17-B
The effect of El Nino on global temperatures is beautifully shown by figure 15-A : stepwise changes as the remains of the Pacific warm pool move North and South while the equatorial el Nino ends.
If El nino paces the temperature changes at the “microscopic” level there is no need of another explanation during the time interval of those observations (1979-2015)
Last but most important is the reference 12 that requires some familiarity with “modern” time series (augmented Dickey Fuller and cointegration tests)
M. Beenstock, Y. Reingewertz, N. Paldor Polynomial cointegration tests of anthropogenic impact on global warming Earth Syst. Dynam., 3, 173–188, 2012
To avoid spurious correlations the statistical tests show that the [CO2] serie must be differentiated once before being compared to T(t) hence the only possible relation is between d[CO2]/dt and T(t)

Peter John
May 12, 2015 5:44 pm

Was this paper published in a peer reviewed scientific journal? Otherwise it is not credible.

RACookPE1978
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Reply to  Peter John
May 12, 2015 6:07 pm

Peter John

Was this paper published in a peer reviewed scientific journal? Otherwise it is not credible.

Much evidence indicates that – because it was not revised by an anonymous, prejudiced, so-called “peer-review” process as an article published against the wishes of a prejudiced editor being paid to deny such articles – it is all the more credible.
Given your screen id, is not “Thomas” more proper? The others acted on only faith. Thomas at least demanded proof and evidence.

Siberian_Husky
Reply to  RACookPE1978
May 12, 2015 6:14 pm

Of course not. It’s transparent drivel that anyone can see through. Nobody at WUWT can get anything published in the real world. Monckton gets one flawed paper published in some low tier journal that nobody reads and he thinks he’s serious. What an absolute joke.

Reply to  Siberian_Husky
May 12, 2015 8:36 pm

Siberian husky
The proposition is false that “nobody at WUWT can get anything published in the real world” is refuted by the fact that I have published four peer reviewed articles in the literature of global warming climatology.

Reply to  RACookPE1978
May 12, 2015 7:40 pm

The puppy needs his rabies shots.

Reply to  RACookPE1978
May 12, 2015 8:46 pm

I erred in my reply to Siberian_Husky dated May 12 at 6:14 pm. I should have said:
The proposition is false that “nobody at WUWT can get anything published in the real world,” This proposition is falsified by the fact that I have published four peer reviewed articles in the literature of global warming climatology.

MarkW
Reply to  RACookPE1978
May 12, 2015 9:26 pm

Poor little doggy. He can’t actually refute any of the science so he has to resort to barking and growling.

Reply to  Peter John
May 12, 2015 7:03 pm

Well, OBVIOUSLY Peter John has never read the Climategate emails. If he had, he would know what a complete joke the climate pal review system is.
PJ needs to get up to speed on logical fallacies, too. Starting with the Appeal to Authority fallacy.

MarkW
Reply to  Peter John
May 12, 2015 9:26 pm

I love the way some people will grasp at any straw in order to avoid dealing with the failings of their religion.

Reply to  Peter John
May 13, 2015 2:42 pm

“Was this paper published in a peer reviewed scientific journal? Otherwise it is not credible.”
The IPCC used some hundreds of non reviewed articles, including a dissertation from a graduating student in geography. Are they credible?

May 12, 2015 6:07 pm

Truth n “9 – HOT SPOT
The content within this url http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/10/5/054007/article, supposedly verifies the Hot Spot. Steven C Sherwood and Nidhi Nishant 2015 Environ. Res. Lett. 10 054007
doi:10.1088/1748-9326/10/5/054007
Published 11 May 2015
I am not scientifically literate, so I would like Jean-Pierre Bardinet to evaluate. The Hoaxters are using this as a weapon, which I would like to destroy.

Reply to  kokoda
May 12, 2015 7:17 pm

kokoda,
Your link made me LOL:
…the radiosonde dataset homogenized by Iterative Universal Kriging… Robust tropospheric warming revealed by iteratively homogenized radiosonde data…&blah, blah, etc.
It says “robust”, so you know they’re grant trolling. And you can ‘homogenize’ anything to get whatever results you want.
The fact is that both satellite data and radiosonde balloon data show the same thing: the predicted “tropospheric hot spot” has never appeared. The models were wrong.
If radiosonde balloon data is so very wrong, then the satellite data must be just as wrong, no? Because they both show the same thing: no hot spot.
Don’t listen to their pseudo-scientific nonsense. Global warming stopped almost twenty years ago. Sea level rise is not accelerating. Arctic ice is not vanishing. And the ‘tropospheric hot spot’ hasn’t magically reappeared due to homogenizing the data.
These jamokes will never debate skeptical scientists. No need to wonder why not.

Phil.
Reply to  dbstealey
May 14, 2015 6:42 am

The tropospheric satellite data doesn’t have the resolution to show a so-called hotspot, the lower troposphere measurement is an average from ground level to an altitude of 10km.
The ‘agreement’ between the radiosondes and is something that Spencer and Christie have always claimed and of course it can’t be true. Their original claim of that agreement was made in 1997 and they continue to make such claims despite the multiple corrections they have had to make to their computations! So when your calculations were wrong the results agreed with radiosondes and still agreed after you corrected your calculations, that doesn’t pass the smell test. As stated by Mears et al such a comparison is of ‘limited utility’ in any case.
“In this work, we evaluate the agreement between MSU and homogenized radiosonde data sets on multiyear (predominantly 5-year) time scales and find that MSU data sets are often more similar to each other than to radiosonde data sets and vice versa. Furthermore, on these times scales the differences between MSU data sets are often not larger than published internal uncertainty estimates for the RSS product alone and therefore may not be statistically significant when the internal uncertainty in each data set is taken into account. Given the data limitations it is concluded that using radiosondes to validate multidecadal-scale trends in MSU data, or vice versa, or trying to use such metrics alone to pick a ‘winner’ is an ill-conditioned approach and has limited utility without one or more of additional independent measurements, or methodological, or physical analysis.”
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2012JD017710/full
And you can ‘homogenize’ anything to get whatever results you want.
Apparently you are unaware that the satellite measurements are the result of such ‘homogenization’.

Reply to  dbstealey
May 14, 2015 12:09 pm
Camille
Reply to  kokoda
May 15, 2015 10:37 am

to kokoda 6:07 pm
You shall find some comments on that paper on the web site “climate dialogue” of Marcel Crook and other dutch scientists
http://www.climatedialogue.org/the-missing-tropical-hot-spot/
that complements well truth n°9
The “kriging” or homogeneization perpetrated by Sherwood seems to lower the credibility of the “data” used.

KevinK
May 12, 2015 6:58 pm

Hockey Schtick wrote;
“ipebe29: Congratulations on this tour de force essay.”
I second this “review”.
Additional Notes;
1) Recently Dr. Nasif Nahle has replicated Dr. Wood’s experiment showing that there is no such thing as a “radiative greenhouse effect”.
2) Researchers at Penn State (yes Penn State of Michael Mann fame) compared real life size agricultural greenhouses with IR transmissive and IR Opaque ceilings and found no discernible temperature difference. They were trying to grow bigger peppers and who does not want bigger peppers?
3) Nowhere in the whole field of Optical Engineering (aka Applied Radiative Physics) is the “GHE” applied for any useful purpose. Many other obscure physical effects (i.e. the Zeeman effect, the Peltier effect, etc) have been applied by some smart engineer somewhere to solve a real problem. If the “effect” can’t be used for any useful purpose it probably does not exist.
4) The whole idea that a trace gas with a total thermal capacity that is 6-8 orders of magnitude LESS than the thermal capacity of the Oceans is controlling the temperature of the Oceans is ludicrous. It always has been, but some folks will believe anything. This is akin to claiming you are “warming” Mount Rushmore by exposing it to a lit “bic” ™ lighter.
5) Anybody that believes they “know” the current average temperature of the Earth/Oceans to better than plus or minus a few degrees C is deluding themselves. It is technically very difficult to control the temperature of any large volume of material to better than a few degrees. This is hard enough with solid and liquid materials, it is nearly impossible with gases. Anybody found a thermostat for your residence that controls the temperature to hundredths of a degree ?
But, given the tone of the the “believer” comments at this “luke warmer” site, none of these common sense observations will override the “belief” that Man controls the temperature of the Earth….. What TOTAL HUBRIS.
When the human species can predict the weather reliably a month in the future maybe we realists will reconsider your ability to tell us the temperature in a century. Until then I suggest you stop trying to reduce everybody’s standard of living by making energy expensive and unreliable in a futile attempt to “control” the climate. Maybe perfect the control system setting the water temperature in your hot water heater to hundredths of a degree first as an “exercise left to the student”.
This whole “Greenhouse Effect” conjecture (It ceased being a hypothesis when it caused everything and everything was proof of it) is the saddest example of “post modern” science ever seen, what a complete and total HOAX, it makes the Piltdown Man look respectable and peer reviewed……
Cheers, KevinK.

Ian H
May 12, 2015 7:38 pm

Most things I agree with. But some in my opinion are wrong.

4. The lifetime of CO2 molecules in the atmosphere is about 5 years instead of the 100 years said by IPCC.

Wrong. This confuses two different things; the decay time back to equilibrium when the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is perturbed, and the halflife of individual CO2 atoms in the atmosphere.

12. The sum of the surfaces of the Arctic and Antarctic icepacks is about constant, their trends are phase-opposite; hence their total albedo is about constant.

Oversimplifies the situation and understates the case. You have to take latitude and time of year into account. Since the Antarctic ice pack is closer to the equator overall the increase of Antarctic ice more than compensates for the decrease in Arctic ice as far as radiative balance is concerned.

16. The trace gases absorb the radiation of the surface and radiate at the temperature of the air which is, at some height, most of the time slightly lower that of the surface. The trace-gases cannot “heat the surface“, according to the second principle of thermodynamics which prohibits heat transfer from a cooler body to a warmer body.

Wrong. It confuses transfer of energy with change of temperature. Two nearby bodies will exchange energy by radiation in both directions. More energy will flow from the hotter body to the colder one simply because hot bodies radiate more. But the transfer from cold to hot, while lesser, is not zero.

17. The temperatures have always driven the CO2 content of the air, never the reverse. Nowadays the net increment of the CO2 content of the air follows very closely the inter-tropical temperature anomaly.

Overstates the case. While it is clear that temperature changes drive CO2 levels this does not preclude the possibility that CO2 levels also drive temperature to some extent.
The rest of it I am in general agreement with.

Reply to  Ian H
May 14, 2015 4:48 pm

CO2 is not atoms.
Molecules.
Just sayin’.

Camille
Reply to  Ian H
May 15, 2015 11:01 am

Reply to Ian H 7:38 pm
Thank you for your comments!
On truth n°4: the important point is said at the end ;: Addendum about the relation d[CO2]/dt = foutgassing(t) + fanthropic(t) – fabsorbed(t): the IPCC hypothesis is foutgassing(t) = fabsorbed(t) within a few percent with very little change since the little ice age; the observations suggest fabsorbed(t) /[CO2] = constant = 1/lifetime.
See here in this thread of discussions other answers with more details on this most important point
On truth n°12: OK your are right and some bloggers have made the computation, possibly with due account of the clouds
On truth 16: there is radiation from cold to hot, but the heat transfer is the net balance and is from hot to cold.
This explains why the GH number used by Ramanathan , Berger (reference n°9 of truth n°1) up to Lacis & Hansen (the CO2 control knob Tellus, 2013) is non sense !
GH does not add to the solar heating of the surface and of the atmosphere!
On truth n°17 We would not be so assertive without the study of Beenstock et al.( reference in note 12) putting the time series to test.
To get a better test you have to subtract the real anthropic CO2 from the Mauna Loa data as the surge of the Chinese coal has been quite significant (figure 17-E)

Reply to  Camille
May 19, 2015 3:07 am

Camille,
Point 4: The IPCC says foutgassing(t) = fabsorbed(t) for pre-industrial times only. For current times they say:
fabsorbed(t) /[CO2] = 1/lifetime1 + 1/lifetime2 + 1/lifetime3 +…
Which is the Bern model for different receiving reservoirs, each with their own saturation level.
While the IPCC approach is questionable (there is no observable saturation for the deep oceans until now, that is lifetime2), your lifetime of ~5 years is completely wrong: that is not the lifetime of an extra input of CO2 (whatever the source) in the atmosphere. The current lifetime is ~50 years for the current sink rate at the current CO2 pressure above (steady state) equilibrium.
Point 17: The Beenstock study only shows that the correlation of the variability’s between T(t) and dCO2/dt is quite good, it doesn’t say anything about the attribution of the offset and slope of dCO2/dt, which is anyway from a different process than what caused the variability.
If you subtract human emissions from the Mauna Loa data, you will see only negative values over the past 55 years, which shows that the natural cycle was a net sink for each year in the past 55 years. Here for the total emissions and increase since 1900:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/temp_emiss_increase.jpg
Emissions and increase in the atmosphere are tightly coupled, temperature and increase not so good: cooling 195\45-1975 and flat after 2000, but CO2 still rising in ratio to human emissions.
The derivatives since 1960:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/klim_img/dco2_em2.jpg
The variability in sink rate is caused by temperature variability, the offset and slope of dCO2/dt is caused by human emissions.
I don’t see how nature can be the cause of the increase in the atmosphere when human emissions are twice the increase in the atmosphere and oceans and vegetation are net sinks for CO2. Except if the natural cycles increased a fourfold over the past 55 years in exact ratio with the fourfold increase in human emissions, the increase in the atmosphere and the net sink rate.
There is not a shred of evidence in any observation for a fourfold increased natural cycle, to the contrary…

May 12, 2015 9:08 pm

“5. The changes of the Mean Global Temperature are more or less sinusoidal with a well defined 60 year period. We are at a maximum of the sinusoid(s) and hence the next years should be cooler as has been observed after 1950. (discussion: p. 12)”
The temperature series is used by statisticians to demonstrate a random walk. The series is not mean-reverting and does not have constant variance. (There are breaks after big El Ninos.) By first differencing, you might be able to convert a series like temperature to one that has constant mean and variance. Or you might have to take second differences.
Based on an econometric technique called polynomial cointegration analysis an Israeli group concluded, “We have shown that anthropogenic forcings do not polynomially cointegrate with global temperature and solar irradiance. Therefore, data for 1880–2007 do not support the anthropogenic interpretation of global warming during this period.”
Beenstock, Reingewertz, and Paldor, Polynomial cointegration tests of anthropogenic impact on global warming, Earth Syst. Dynam. Discuss., 3, 561–596, 2012
URL: http://www.earth-syst-dynam-discuss.net/3/561/2012/esdd-3-561-2012.html
The Beenstock study was controversial and was critiqued by other authors in a series of comments. But it seems to me that statisticians do not claim that the temperature series lacks the properties of a random walk. The basic question seems to be what is the correct way to apply the cointegration methodology.
By definition, you cannot predict a random-walk unless you can show Granger causality involving another variable that is predictable. You do this, not by eyeball, but by cointegration. Grander and Engle got a Nobel Prize for working out how to do it.
There is no basis for a claim that the temperature series is sinusoidal. The series may look sinusoidal and it may be generated by pseudo-cyclical processes, such as oceanic oscillations. But sinusoidal?
The author should at least change the wording to wave-like or some other term to suggest undulating. “Sinusoidal” is too precise for something he is eyeballing.
And this glaring piece of naivety made me examine more closely some of the other claims.
For a start, you don’t need 22 reasons. You only need one reason to falsify a theory. If there were 22 reasons there would not be any WUWT Blog. The alarmist movement would already be dead in the water
The way to rewrite this is to show one or two ways in which the data do not fit the theory and then show that the other 20 items are consequences of the misfit between observations and theory.
This author is asking me to believe that atmospheric physicists and oceanographers are sitting on 22 obvious errors in their theories. I read their papers and try to do the calculations myself and I know how smart they are.
Read Lindzen’s iris theory if you want a single good reason why the CGMs are wrong. Or read Svensmark to find why they might be wrong.
Skeptics who are trained in science know that a theory usually stands or falls based on one assumption being wrong, not 22 assumptions. The problem is that nobody actually knows which assumption is wrong and by how much.
This was the problem with the fixed continent theory and why it took only the discovery of seafloor spreading in the mid-Atlantic for the fixed-continent theory to be falsified and to be replaced by plate-tectonics.
We can understand that two people can look at the same object and one sees a sundial while the other sees two faces looking at each other. The two theories of the object are incommensurable.
I expect the same will happen in climate science. Some set of observations will undermine confidence in the AGW theory. Only then will it be possible to interpret correctly the observations we have accumulated up to now.
The existing observations will become incommensurable with the new theory of climate change and students will wonder how anyone could have believed in AGW.

Reply to  Frederick Colbourne
May 12, 2015 9:31 pm

If AGW theory were falsifiable then some set of observations could falsify it. However, this theory is not falsifiable. The fault of AGW theory is not that it is falsified by the evidence but rather that it is non-falsifiable hence unscientific.

Reply to  Terry Oldberg
May 13, 2015 6:42 am

It is falsifiable : if CO2 keeps going up but temperatures don’t, what would you call that?
The problem is we don’t yet have robust enough data on temperature (esp deep ocean), or the radiation budget.

Reply to  Punksta
May 13, 2015 9:24 am

Punksta
Thanks for sharing your ideas.
A statement is “falsifiable” if and only if it has a truth-value. The projections that are made by the AGW models do not have truth-values thus being non-falsifiable. Though non-falsifiable, projections exhibit error.
The following remarks reference the proof that I provide elsewhere in this thread. The quantity that fails to go up with the CO2 concentration is not the global temperature but rather is the quantity which the author calls the “average global temperature.” This term is a misnomer for while a temperature is an example of a measure this is not true of “the average global temperature.” The “average global temperature” violates the property of a measure that is called “additivity.”
The “average global temperature” falls along a straight line. When the slope of this line is multiplied by the change in the time over a specified period of time the result is the “global warming” in this period. The phrase “global warming” implies constancy in a given period but this “global warming” lacks constancy. A result from the variability of the “global warming” in a specified period is for the law of non-contradiction to be negated. The negation of the law of non-contradiction is a false proposition. Through use of a false proposition as the premise to an argument one can appear to prove an arbitrarily chosen false conclusion.

Reply to  Terry Oldberg
May 14, 2015 12:15 pm

Terry Oldberg says:
If AGW theory were falsifiable then some set of observations could falsify it.
It doesn’t even fit the definition of a ‘theory’. A theory must be able to make repeated, accurate predictions, among other things. But no one was able to predict the current flat temperature regime, which has lasted an unexpectewd eighteen+ years.
AGW is merely a conjecture (one which I agree with). Measurements are quantified observations. But there are no measurements of AGW, so it remains a conjecture.

Reply to  Terry Oldberg
May 14, 2015 11:04 pm

Eh?? An average can’t take part in a truth-value?
And you haven’t addressed my question : if CO2 keeps going up but temperatures don’t, what would you call that? I would say it means the basic CO2-control-knob theory has been falsified.

Reply to  Terry Oldberg
May 16, 2015 1:22 pm

It’s not a theory but an hypothesis, which has been repeatedly falsified, indeed was false prima facie.

Reply to  Terry Oldberg
May 16, 2015 1:54 pm

Hi Sturgis,
Even an hypothesis should be able to make repeated, accurate predictions. I would label the CO2=AGW claim more of a Conjecture.
=======================
Punksta,
I agree with Terry Oldberg. There is no average global temperature. Rather, there is a defined temperature range of ≈12ºC from high to low at Vostok:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47brotherthebig/04images/Antarctica/415k-year-temp-graph.jpg
Finally, there is extensive empirical evidence showing that changes in CO2 follow changes in global temperature on century to millennial time scales. But there is no real world evidence showing that ∆T is caused by ∆CO2 (very short term fluctuations notwithstanding).
Here is an example of CO2 lagging changes in temperature. I have numerous similar examples, from years to hundreds of thousands of years. But despite searching and asking, I’ve never seen a similar chart that shows ∆CO2 causing ∆T.
The alarmist crowd got their causation wrong. It’s backward: actually, T causes ∆CO2, not vice versa (at least not measurably).

knr
Reply to  Frederick Colbourne
May 13, 2015 12:57 am

‘Some set of observations will undermine confidence in the AGW theory.’
Currently your wrong becasue ‘everything’ is regarded has proof of the theory and they continue to totally fail to say what conditions would possible undermine the theory.
Its not science it is ‘heads you lose tails I win ‘ your dealing with .

May 13, 2015 12:18 am

one of the best articles i have ever read on the IPCC lies.
Chapeau!

Michael Wassil
May 13, 2015 12:26 am

Hockey Schtick has another great series here:
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.ca/search?q=maxwell+greenhouse+equation
It’s a mashup with links to multiple articles on various and sundry related topics. You CAGW guys especially should head over.

Lee grable
May 13, 2015 12:45 am

To the mod. You question the “adeiu” comment.
Well, I was making fun of you all, and insulting your intelligence.
You know, like so many of the “articles” that appear here, for example, the one with a cartoon picture of Dana N, from the Skeptical Science website, that portrayed him as an imbecile on a scooter. And was nothing more than childish name calling and insults.
Don’t like it much, do you?

richardscourtney
Reply to  Lee grable
May 13, 2015 1:14 am

Lee grable
Please clarify.
Are you trying to assert that “Dana N, from the Skeptical Science website” is not an imbecile who rides a scooter? If so, then what rational reason can you present in support of your implausible assertion?
Richard

tonyM
Reply to  Lee grable
May 13, 2015 1:32 am

Does the N refer to Nutticelli?

May 13, 2015 1:16 am

TO THE AUTHOR:
this article should be uploaded on Academia.edu in the climate related sections, it should be made available to all because although the number of ‘contra IPCC’ documents is slowly increasing in those sites, they are not at this level.

Phil.
Reply to  alessandro demontis
May 13, 2015 1:52 pm

Hopefully they are not as bad as this one? The author doesn’t understand thermodynamics, radiation heat transfer, absorption/emission of light and as RGB points out completely misunderstands the GHE!

jipebe29
Reply to  alessandro demontis
May 13, 2015 5:17 pm

Thanks a lot! Merci beaucoup!

Camille
Reply to  alessandro demontis
May 15, 2015 11:18 am

Thank you; I shall try to do it
The discussion on this thread is quite helpful in pin-pointing mistakes or misprints like
57% instead of 37%
loosing instead of losing
and a wrong sign before (z-z0) in the formula of the lapse rate (not yet detected by bloggers)
The heuristic curve fitting exercise with three sinusoids deserves more caveats.
best regards

Reply to  alessandro demontis
May 16, 2015 1:20 pm

Its a good start, but needs some work before so doing, along the lines of comments here.

William Astley
May 13, 2015 1:53 am

OK just for fun I will repeat three of the logical arguments (I have three more logical arguments but what is the point.) which supports the assertion that the primary cause of warming of warming in the last 30 years is not the due to the increase in atmospheric CO2.
When a hypothesis/model fails the next step is to relook at the hypothesis/model to see which assumptions in the modeling/hypothesis are incorrect. The CO2 mechanism has either saturated and/or is counter acted by increased movement of latent heat and increased cloud cover in the tropics.
Critical analysis is different than ‘skepticism’ or being a ‘denier’ or being contrary. Critical analysis looks at what a theory predicts and then compares the observations to what is observed.
The observations do not support the assertion that the increase in atmospheric CO2 was the principal reason for the increase in planetary temperature.
1) Latitudinal temperature anomaly paradox (Strike 1)
The latitudinal temperature anomaly paradox is the fact that the latitudinal pattern of warming in the last 50 years does match the pattern of warming that would occur if the recent increase in planetary temperature was caused by the CO2 mechanism.
The amount of CO2 gas warming observed is theoretically logarithmically proportional to the increase in atmospheric CO2 times the amount of long wave radiation that it emitted to space prior to the increase.
As gases are evenly distributed in the atmosphere (ignoring very heavy or very light gases which biases the altitudinal distribution in the atmosphere), the potential for warming due to CO2 should be the same at all latitudes.
The amount of warming is also proportional to amount of long waver radiation that is emitted to space prior to the increase in atmospheric CO2.
Now we know that as the earth is a sphere the tropical region of the planet receives the most amount of short wave radiation and hence also emits the most amount long wave radiation. The tropical region of the planet should have hence warmed the most due to the increase in atmospheric CO2.
There is in fact almost no warming in the tropical region of the planet. This observational fact supports the assertion that majority of the warming in the last 50 years was not caused by the increase in atmospheric CO2.
2) The 18 year pause without warming (Strike 2)
As atmospheric CO2 is increasing with time, the delta T (increase in planetary temperature due to the increase in CO2) should also be increasing with time. As we now that there has been a period of 18 years with no surface warming when atmospheric CO2 was increasing for each and every year we know that the majority of the warming in the last 50 years was not due to the increase in atmospheric CO2 and the IPCC general circulation model calculated warming due to CO2 is orders of magnitude too high.
3) The tropical tropospheric 8km no hot spot Paradox (Strike 3 and the CAWG is disproved)
The IPCC’s general circulation models predict that most amount of warming on the planet should occur in the tropics at 8k above the earth’s surface. The long wave radiation from warming at 8 km then warms the earth’s surface by of course radiation.
At the earth’s surface there are more CO2 molecules and there is more water vapor. The amount of CO2 warming decreases as the number of molecules increases and as the frequencies that water absorbs long wave radiation overlaps with the CO2 absorption frequencies, the most amount of warming on the earth due to the increase in CO2 theoretically occurs in the tropics at 8km above the surface of the planet where there is less water and less CO2 molecules and the most amount of long wave radiation emitted to space prior to the increase in atmospheric CO2. (The CO2 mechanism at the surface of the planet is saturated.)
Does everyone understand the above? No, why not? Help me out.
The signature of CO2 warming, the tropical tropospheric hot spot at 8km is not observed which is consistent with the observational fact that there has been almost no tropical region warming. The
The following peer reviewed paper provides the strike 1 and strike 2 observational data and specifically states the observations support the assertion that majority of the warming in the last 30 years was not due to the increase in atmospheric CO2.
P.S. The fact that there has been almost no tropical tropospheric warming also rules out an increase in TSI (total solar radiation) as the cause of the warming, in addition to the fact that TSI has not significantly increased. If TSI did increase the tropics will warm more than the poles of the planet.
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0809/0809.0581.pdf

Limits on CO2 Climate Forcing from Recent Temperature Data of Earth
The atmospheric CO2 is slowly increasing with time [Keeling et al. (2004)]. The climate forcing according to the IPCC varies as ln (CO2) [IPCC (2001)] (The mathematical expression is given in section 4 below). The ΔT response would be expected to follow this function. A plot of ln (CO2) is found to be nearly linear in time over the interval 1979-2004. Thus ΔT from CO2 forcing should be nearly linear in time also.
The atmospheric CO2 is well mixed and shows a variation with latitude which is less than 4% from pole to pole [Earth System Research Laboratory. 2008]. Thus one would expect that the latitude variation of ΔT from CO2 forcing to be also small. It is noted that low variability of trends with latitude is a result in some coupled atmosphere-ocean models. For example, the zonal-mean profiles of atmospheric temperature changes in models subject to “20CEN” forcing ( includes CO2 forcing) over 1979-1999 are discussed in Chap 5 of the U.S. Climate Change Science Program [Karl et al.2006]. The PCM model in Fig 5.7 shows little pole to pole variation in trends below altitudes corresponding to atmospheric pressures of 500hPa.
If the climate forcing were only from CO2 one would expect from property #2 a small variation with latitude. However, it is noted that NoExtropics is 2 times that of the global and 4 times that of the Tropics. Thus one concludes that the climate forcing in the NoExtropics includes more than CO2 forcing. These non-CO2 effects include: land use [Peilke et al. 2007]; industrialization [McKitrick and Michaels (2007), Kalnay and Cai (2003), DeLaat and Maurellis (2006)]; high natural variability, and daily nocturnal effects [Walters et al. (2007)].
An underlying temperature trend of 0.062±0.010ºK/decade was estimated from data in the tropical latitude band. Corrections to this trend value from solar and aerosols climate forcings are estimated to be a fraction of this value. The trend expected from CO2 climate forcing is 0.070g ºC/decade, where g is the gain due to any feedback. If the underlying trend is due to CO2 then g~1. Models giving values of g greater than 1 would need a negative climate forcing to partially cancel that from CO2. This negative forcing cannot be from aerosols.
These conclusions are contrary to the IPCC [2007] statement: “[M]ost of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.

The following is the paper that supports the assertion that there is no tropical tropospheric hot spot at 8km which is strike 3 for the CAGW theory.
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/DOUGLASPAPER.pdf

A comparison of tropical temperature trends with model predictions
We examine tropospheric temperature trends of 67 runs from 22 ‘Climate of the 20th Century’ model simulations and try to reconcile them with the best available updated observations (in the tropics during the satellite era). Model results and observed temperature trends are in disagreement in most of the tropical troposphere, being separated by more than twice the uncertainty of the model mean. In layers near 5 km, the modelled trend is 100 to 300% higher than observed, and, above 8 km, modelled and observed trends have opposite signs. These conclusions contrast strongly with those of recent publications based on essentially the same data.
We have tested the proposition that greenhouse model simulations and trend observations can be reconciled. Our conclusion is that the present evidence, with the application of a robust statistical test, supports rejection of this proposition. (The use of tropical tropospheric temperature trends as a metric for this test is important, as this region represents the CEL and provides a clear signature of the trajectory of the climate system under enhanced greenhouse forcing.) On the whole, the evidence indicates that model trends in the troposphere are very likely inconsistent with observations that indicate that, since 1979, there is no significant long-term amplification factor relative to the surface. If these results continue to be supported, then future projections of temperature change, as depicted in the present suite of climate models, are likely too high.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/TMI-SST-MEI-adj-vs-CMIP5-20N-20S-thru-2015.png
http://www.eoearth.org/files/115701_115800/115741/620px-Radiation_balance.jpg

pochas
Reply to  William Astley
May 13, 2015 7:15 am

You don’t understand, William. This ‘Global Warming’ meme has nothing to do with science. It is a conglomeration of myth and superstition visited on the lofos by unscrupulous cranks who hope to profit. Only when the economy tanks from misapplication of resources will the lofos riot. Oh! … Wait a minute… Well, anyway, if you have enough money you will survive.

Reply to  William Astley
May 14, 2015 5:23 pm

William,
“The latitudinal temperature anomaly paradox is the fact that the latitudinal pattern of warming in the last 50 years does match the pattern of warming that would occur if the recent increase in planetary temperature was caused by the CO2 mechanism.”
You meant to say “does not match”, rather than “does match”, no?

Peter
May 13, 2015 2:53 am

This is excellent. I like the 22 point precis at the top, backed up by sound arguments in the main body. While I haven’t examined every detail in the main body (time and limited expertise), this appears to be a good resource to argue the skeptic case, with which I agree.

The other Phil
Reply to  Peter
May 13, 2015 7:25 am

I hope you find the time to examine it in more detail. There are some good points, backed up by good analysis, but there are some blunders which are flat wrong (16) and others that are a mishmash.

Camille
Reply to  The other Phil
May 15, 2015 11:31 am

thank you
Please could you tell us what is wrong in
As said on cards n°1, n°6 and n°15, for an atmosphere in a gravitation field, the tropospheric lapse rate is dT/dz = – g/(Cp+ |Ch|) where g=9,8 m/s², Cp= 1005 J/kg , and Ch summarizes the effect of the heating of the air (1) by absorption of the solar infrared by water vapour or liquid and (2) by the condensation of the water vapour.
This is exactly equivalent to T(P)= Ttop (P/Ptop)R/(Cp+ |Ch|) where R = 8,314 / 0,02896 = 287.
There is no need of heat to “warm the surface” because its temperature is a consequence of the gravitation and of the mass of the air, both on Earth and on Venus. The lapse rate (despite the temperature inversions near the surface at night and in the winter polar regions) insures that the radiation of the air absorbed by the surface is slightly less than the radiation of the surface absorbed by the air. Hence the air cannot warm the surface as the net balance is about zero or slightly positive from surface to air. 62
The surface cools mostly by evaporation (order of magnitude 100 W/m²), by convection (20 to 30 /m²) and for about 20 W/m² by direct thermal infrared radiation reaching the cosmos after escaping absorption by water vapour and clouds.
Best regards

minarchist
May 13, 2015 6:54 am

Outstanding piece of work. Will become a goto reference for me.

Resourceguy
May 13, 2015 8:09 am

It’s a keeper but its too bad the AMO did not make the cut as part of number 5.

Resourceguy
May 13, 2015 8:14 am

The Chinese strategy is the correct one. It is basically wait and see and the turn down in the 60 year sinusoidal pattern will be more clear. The global policy reach will go dark in policy and the lapdog media around the world while the Chinese will have invested next to nothing in the policy misadventure. And no, some air clean up policies and investment in major Chinese cities is not the same thing.

Editor
May 13, 2015 10:53 am

Mr. Jean-Pierre Bardinet, thank you for the effort you’ve obviously put into your post. However, I fear to report that I got as far as this one …

4. The lifetime of CO2 molecules in the atmosphere is about 5 years instead of the 100 years said by IPCC. (discussion: p. 10)

… and I started laughing so hard I couldn’t continue. Sadly, you have conflated the average time that an individual CO2 molecule stays in the atmosphere before being replaced (called airborne residence time) with the time it takes the CO2 concentration to return to pre-pulse values after the addition of a pulse of CO2 to the atmosphere (called e-folding time or pulse decay time or atmospheric lifetime).
Airborne residence time, as you note, is about 5-8 years or so. It can be estimated in a couple of ways which give reasonable agreement. It measures the airborne lifespan of a MOLECULE of CO2.
By contrast, the time it takes the post-pulse atmospheric concentration to decay back to the pre-pulse concentration is quite different. When a pulse of CO2 is injected into the atmosphere, it takes decades for the atmospheric CO2 concentration to return to pre-pulse values. Pulse decay time measures the lifetime of the INCREASED CONCENTRATION of CO2 after a pulse
The process measured by airborne residence time is going on constantly—molecules of CO2 are emitted from somewhere, stay in the atmosphere for about 5-8 years, and are then REPLACED by another CO2 molecule. This is happening even when the concentration is not changing at all.
The pulse decay time only happens when there is a pulse of CO2 added to the atmosphere. At the time of the pulse, the CO2 concentration is increased. Then after the pulse, some of the molecules are NOT REPLACED when they leave the atmosphere, and as a result, the concentration slowly returns to pre-pulse values.
So to summarize:
• Airborne residence time measures how long a MOLECULE of CO2 stays airborne before it is replaced by another CO2 molecule. It measures a steady-state constant process.
* Pulse decay time measures the lifetime of the INCREASED CONCENTRATION of CO2 after a pulse. It measures an intermittent process.
As you note, the IPCC thinks that the time constant for the post-pulse decay in the concentration of CO2 is on the order of 100 years. I, and folks like Mark Jacobson, think that it’s more on the order of 40 years. The problem is that we don’t yet have enough data to distinguish between the two competing hypotheses.
Now, this distinction between airborne residence time on the one hand (5-8 years) and pulse decay time on the other hand (40-100 years) is all basic stuff. Like I said, I never got past #4. Once someone reveals such profound misunderstanding of their chosen subject, I simply don’t have time to try to unravel the truthiness of the rest of the claims.
My best to you,
w.

Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
May 13, 2015 1:07 pm

see also Peter Dietze http://www.john-daly.com/carbon.htm (55 years) and the discussion on Euan Mears blog http://euanmearns.com/whats-up-with-the-bern-model/

Camille
Reply to  Willis Eschenbach
May 16, 2015 5:09 am

REPLY TO Willis Eschenbach May 13, 2015 at 10:53 am
“Mr. Jean-Pierre Bardinet, thank you for the effort you’ve obviously put into your post. However, I fear to report that I got as far as this one …
4. The lifetime … I couldn’t continue. Sadly, you have conflated the average time that an individual CO2 molecule stays in the atmosphere before being replaced (called airborne residence time) with the time it takes the CO2 concentration to return to pre-pulse values after the addition of a pulse of CO2 to the atmosphere (called e-folding time or pulse decay time or atmospheric lifetime).”
ANSWER:
1) You should have read card n°4 up to the end and card n°17.
2) The IPCC AR5 summary for policy makers and many other texts say “of the xxx Gt-C of human emissions,; yyy Gt-C still remain in the air “.
In reality what remains in the air is about 5 times the yearly human emissions of the year or the cumulative emissions of the last five years, not 42% of the cumulative emissions since 1750 …
94% of the CO2 of the air is natural degassed from the soils or from the tropical oceans or the southern ocean (about 75% from the tropical and 25% from the southern oceans, according to some authors like Levy et al. Global Biogeochemical cycles vol. 27, 1001–1012, doi:10.1002/gbc.20092, 2013)
This has to be underlined and clearly understood because of the efforts made by IPCC to obfuscate this simple evidence.
3) As underlined at the end of card n°4 the basic equation
d(CO2 in the air) /dt= f out-gassed(t) + f anthropic(t) – f absorbed(t)
where f means flow has been complemented in several incompatible ways assuming that the equality
f out-gassed(t) = f absorbed(t) was the rule and has been disrupted by the sin of the humans
(3-a) Bert Bolin (1959) and the 1965 report to President Johnson on “CO2 the invisible pollution” http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/Caldeira%20downloads/PSAC,%201965,%20Restoring%20the%20Quality%20of%20Our%20Environment.pdf
seem to assume that there is a global balance between the air and the ocean and that the Revelle factor applying inside the ocean applies as well between the air and the surface; this is nonsense because the locations of the absorption (say 50°N to 65° N and of the outgassing (say 30°S to 20°N) are quite different (figures 17-C and 17-D) and relatively independent; consideration of the Suess effect in the 1965 report could be dubbed obfuscation.
(3-b) Compartment models leading to a set of linear equations (familiar in electrical networks) are said to describe the slow migration of the molecules toward the bottom of the oceans, sometimes with a high latitude ocean , an inter-tropical ocean and a deep ocean. The tools of the Laplace transform and of the pulse response apply as long as there is no nonlinearity (like the small pulse to avoid saturation of the response of some electrical components).
By fitting Mauna Loa data since 1958 and CDIAC emissions since 1750 you can get a best transfer function between (CO2)(t) and f anthropic(t); the different Bern functions and the Hamburg function have up to 8 independent adjustable parameters (depending upon the number of compartments considered) ; they are so different that you can say they have little or no common physical basis (17% or 21% remaining in the air forever, 15% remaining 420 years delay for a part of the anthropic impulse or 26% remaining 173 years ?); the very effect of the El Nino (figure 17-B) is vaguely acknowledged but “put under the rug” by smoothing the time series.
In those cases the molecules are recycled and replaced as they move from compartment to compartment. By throttling the exchange between the compartments you can get any result you wish; the above mentioned paper by Levy et al. 2013 show that the deep oceanic up- and down-welling may have been underestimated in so-called “models” by a factor four or five versus observations.
Moreover the recent decline of the yearly increments d(CO2)/dt acknowledged by Francey et al (2013) (figure 17-F) and even by James Hansen who say that the Chinese coal emissions have been immensely beneficial to the plants that are now bigger grow faster and eat more CO2 due to the fertilisation of the air (references in note 19) cast some doubts on those compartment models with many adjustable parameters, models proved to be blatantly wrong by observations as said very politely by Wang et al.: (Xuhui Wang et al : A two-fold increase of carbon cycle sensitivity to tropical temperature variations, Nature, 2014) “Thus, the problems present models have in reproducing the observed response of the carbon cycle to climate variability on interannual timescales may call into question their ability to predict the future evolution of the carbon cycle and its feedbacks to climate”
(3-c) Many summaries assume
f out-gassed(t) + f anthropic(t) – f absorbed(t) = f anthropic(t) + delta(absorption)(t)
and conclude from smoothed time series that 42% of f anthropic(t) remains forever in the air ; it is the so called “airborne fraction” which can be manipulated and increased up to 75% in 2100 as in (Solomon, Friedlingstein et al. Irreversible climate change due to carbon dioxide emissions PNAS 2009; Archer; etc. …).
4) As there are too many parameters and fudge factors lets start from the observations which are only four datasets:
(1) Anthropic emissions (figure 17-E), (2) their time varying delta13C (not shown), (3) CO2 content of the air (since 1958) (figure 4-A for the 12 months increments) and (4) delta13C of the air (continuous times series since about 1977 with some measurements before figure 3-A).
The content of the air is made of two sets (CO2 anthropic from emissions)(t) and (CO2 natural)(t) ; the lifetime of the molecules is the same for both sets and is known to be in the range 3 to 7 years; once a lifetime is assumed the (CO2 anthropic from emissions)(t) and its delta13C can be computed to get (CO2 natural)(t) and its isotopic signature; this is done for several assumed lifetimes of CO2 molecules in the air.
We assumed only that due to the biological and physical effects the ratio
fabsorbed(t) / (total CO2 content of then air)
is more or less constant, hence a simple response pulse response exp(-t/lifetime) is applied to the anthropic time series of coal, gas, oil and cement which have different delta13C
As the isotopic signature of (CO2 natural)(t) is slowly decreasing because plants living days or centuries ago are now rotting and degassing and as molecules entered in the ocean decades ago are now in the upwellings after a slow migration along the equal density surface from the high latitudes where those surface are surfacing at depth zero, there are common sense constraints or bounds on the possible evolution of the delta13C of the natural out-gassed CO2 molecules.
Hence a lifetime of about 5.5 years is roughly the maximum allowable and 4 years the minimum.
From the monthly time series (CO2 natural)(t) and its delta13Cnatural(t) several points become obvious without any smoothing or fudge factors.
d(CO2 natural)(t) / dt = k(T(t)-T0) for an inter-tropical T(t) as shown on figure 17-B with some volcanic and high latitude absorption effect as residuals,
the delta13C natural is decreasing slowly with steps at each significant El Nino; that may be in part due to outgassing (or fire) in some equatorial forests.
The relation d(CO2 natural)(t) / dt = k(T(t)-T0) of figure 17-B has been proved by several authors (Jeffrey Park, Murry Salby, Beenstock) with quite different techniques and alas without subtraction of the anthropic part; that is inconvenient for the last 12 years since the surge of the Chinese coal is quite significant (figure 17-E right), but their results are only bettered by using the relevant time series CO2natural(t) and T(t)intertropical UAH instead of some global CO2(t) and global T(t) from HadCRUT or GISS.
Hence we have reconciled observations with, I believe, the simplest possible approach without compartment models, fudge factors and tales on assumed equilibriums (mentioned in paragraph 3-a) above).
The increased CO2 concentration after a pulse of anthropic emissions at time t=0 is simply exp(-t/lifetime) due to the basic assumption that the ratio
fabsorbed(t) / (total CO2 content of then air) is more or less constant, within a few percent.
Note that k and T0 are likely to be slowly varying on the decadal scale; see Beenstock et al. for discussion about possible “break points” in the time series.
Note that ppm and delta13C are not the same at all altitudes and evolve progressively, as illustrated by the airborne measurements of Nakazawa et al., Time and space variations of the carbon isotopic ratio, Tellus, 1993.
The compartments inside the ocean and in the soil can then be manipulated at will to recover k(t) and T0 and the delta13C steps at the times of the El Nino but the many assumptions to be made cast a strong doubt on such modelling; note than between IPCC’s AR4 and AR5 the difference between preindustrial flows between compartments and todays assumed flows has been changed very significantly (from 2 to 14 Gt-C for the absorption by the plants) and the air-ocean exchanges reduced by 10 Gt-C ! No comment !
You wrote “the IPCC thinks that the time constant for the post-pulse decay in the concentration of CO2 is on the order of 100 years. I, and folks like Mark Jacobson, think that it’s more on the order of 40 years. The problem is that we don’t yet have enough data to distinguish between the two competing hypotheses.”
There is, since ever, an ample literature describing ghosts, devils and vampires beautifully illustrated by Hollywood, with some data to support their assumed existence and very long afterlife.
As explained in the paragraph 4 above the four datasets: (1) Anthropic emissions, (2) their time varying delta13C, (3) CO2 content of the air and (4) delta13C of the air constrain the problem and leave little room for fiddling or ghost chasing.
Best Regards and many thanks for your quite interesting last post on the temperature field; figure 3 and 4 are just amazing ! Congratulations !
Camille

Reply to  Camille
May 16, 2015 1:01 pm

Camille, thank you for your kind comments regarding my last post.
The reality is that the author of the head post of this thread foolishly conflated two very different things—the length of time that an average CO2 molecule stays in the air (airborne residence time), and the length of time it takes the elevated CO2 concentration after an injected pulse of CO2 to decay to the pre-pulse concentration (pulse decay time, or e-folding time). This is truly a newbie mistake, as they are very different measurements done in very different ways of very different things. Such an error indicates a profound lack of understanding of the systems under discussion.
So you can bring up anything you want, and you bring up many good points … but none of that erases his newbie mistake. And when a man publishes a whopper like that, why should I bother? As I said, at that point I am unwilling to waste time determining the truthiness of the rest of his statements. As you point out, he may make valid points elsewhere. But when a man mixes truth and fantasy, it’s worse than just fantasy—either people tend to believe it, or it detracts from the strength of his other statements. Either way it is damaging to the truth of the matter.
I will note that in this thread, folks whose opinions I respect have found equally glaring problems with Mr. Jean-Pierre Bardinet’s other points. Read in particular the excellent posts from Dr. Robert Brown, who is a physics professor teaching at Duke. He comments as “rgbatduke”, and whether you agree with them or not, you need to take his comments seriously.
Finally, why have you appointed yourself as defender of the faith? Surely Mr. Bardinet could answer my comments, which were specifically directed at him.
Best regards,
w.

May 13, 2015 11:49 am

Mr. Bardinet,
Willis is right, as usual. There is a difference. Here is a good example showing numerous different peer reviewed studies of CO2 residence times.
[Note that only the IPCC claims residence times on a century scale.]

Reply to  dbstealey
May 14, 2015 8:40 pm

Brandon Gates posted an opinion a few weeks ago implying that he is of the belief that the CO2 we have already put in the air has precluded a return to ice age re-glaciation for a period of hundreds of thousands of years:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/04/26/inquiry-launched-into-global-temperature-data-integrity/#comment-1919269
When questioned on this, he gave his usual slice and dice of the parts he wished to respond to, ignored the rest, and doubled down by posting reference and links, one to a WUWT article from a few years ago, and called the coverage favorable.
My reading of the article was that it was a wild eyed opinion of one guy not widely shared, and panned in no uncertain terms by nearly all commenters on the link he said covered the matter favorably.
A sample of the general opinion is here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/27/good-news-elevated-co2-may-extend-interglacial-prevent-next-ice-age/#comment-1289636

May 13, 2015 12:47 pm

Considering the length of the posting, I just came to realise that I am cited. I must confess I am flattered, but unfortunately Arrhenius made a mistake in the derivaton of his formula (3) cited in http://members.casema.nl/errenwijlens/co2/arrhrev.htm
Please read Nir Shaviv http://www.sciencebits.com/OnClimateSensitivity (yes he is climate skeptic) for a proper derivation, where he ends up with 1.2 K per CO2 doubling for the no-feedback case. Modern Transient climate sensitivity as derived by Lewis comes close to this value.

May 13, 2015 2:53 pm

I see a bunch of ‘AGW believers’ listing numbers, formulas, but it is clear to me that they are missing the fundaments of the point: the IPCC and related organizations have produced a faultly series of papers where they themselves recognize that correct forecasts are impossible. Yet, in each report they do a new forecats which is never backed from the data.
I would reming these believers that the 2003 report says: ” In climate research and modelling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”
This said, one policy based on a fraud, the alleged 97% consensus (*) , can confindently considered a fraud itself. Whoever defends that, with or without numbers and formulas, is deliberately lying.
(*) because we must remember that in the original count most papers (66 %) actually took no position. Of the remaining 34 %, 33 % supported at least a weak human contribution to global warming. So divide 33 by 34 and you get 97 %. That’s how the alleged consensus was fabricated. And they didn’t even account that of these papers many rebutted a lot of IPCC positions.
As a chemist and an EU-certified environmental technologist I could enter the matter of CO2 chemistry, but i find it useless once the argument is identified as pure fraud from the beginning.

Reply to  alessandro demontis
May 13, 2015 4:45 pm

Stay critical, also on anti-ipcc publications. The already proven fact that CO2 doesnt cause a catastrophe, doesn’t mean that we should not look critical at the other aguments against IPCC, and some of these 22 “truths” presented here are very very very poor science.

May 13, 2015 4:01 pm

You must add 23) The computer models have not been shown to model the last 100 years accurately (misdiagnosed why temps rose and fell during that period), cannot explain or mimic the last 1000 years, the last 5,000 years, the last 50,000 years, the last 500,000 years or any period in between.
The fundamental problem is that the computer models are an incredibly simplistic unproven set of assumptions that largely rests entirely on the premise that CO2 is the only significant long term forcing function on the temperature.
Since temperatures are widely proven to have been higher 5,000 years ago than today during what is called the climactic optimum and at other periods and yet CO2 levels are shown to be definitively LOWER than todays CO2 levels this contradicts the models proving that they are not modeling the climate of the earth in any realistic way.
The fact is the models do not model. They really have no idea how all the temperature variations over those time periods happened. They cannot be explained by any known forcing. This indicates our knowledge is missing significant (dominant) forcing factors.
One cannot use the “locality” argument and say that the period from 1950-2000 is constant enough that no other factors other than co2 could contribute. The sheer fact that temps rose inexplicably fast in the early 20th century and over the last 300 years since the LIA is indicative that some other forcing is going on that is largely unmodeled.
The grossly inexplicable assumption by the IPCC that the oceans are static considering they constitute 70% of the surface area of the earth, 1000 times the heat capacity of the atmosphere and is 10s of thousands of feet deep in contact with the mantle of the earth for which we have virtually NO data to this very day. Yet the IPCC assumed the oceans are static contribution to the climate. How stupid and unsupportable is that? Is it any surprise that we discovered that there is a cycle in the oceans, that there is weather in the oceans? Is that so bizarre an idea? There is weather on the sun. There is periodicity in the sun. Why would anybody assume there was not something in the oceans?
After learning there was a 60-70 year periodicity of el nino / la ninas why would you assume that’s the extent of it? Has anybody heard of the idea that if you fool me once they you are to blame but fool me twice and I am to blame? The fact they were wrong about PDO/AMO ocean periodicity should lead them to a thorough investigation of other possible periodicities in the ocean, the mantle and how the sun periodicity could be affecting things better.
The fact is it is easily provable the models are missing huge amount of what is happening because they don’t accurately model any period in history.

May 13, 2015 9:03 pm

The funny part of this whole discussion it this, any fool know the climate is changing, the real question is how much what direction and why. As far as I can tell we have no answer to any of these. We have a whole lot of people that think they do but to the most part I consider them village idiots. All I know for certain it may be getting warmer, God I hope so! Yet it may be getting cold, God help us! As to why we should spend billion one way or anther is to me a fools errand. Lastly I am damn tired of politicians picking my pocket for their last save the whatever!

May 14, 2015 1:44 am

About point 8 (sea levels) i believe this may turn useful:
“We show that although tide gauge locations in 2000 are uncorrelated with SLR, the global diffusion of tide gauges during the 20th century was negatively correlated with SLR. This phenomenon induces positive imputation bias in estimates of global mean sea levels because tide gauges installed in the 19th century happened to be in locations where sea levels happened to be rising.”
source:
Tide gauge location and the measurement of global sea level rise – may 2014
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10651-014-0293-4
So, gauges show levels are rising BECAUSE they were placed where it was already known levels were rising.
Very scientific…

May 14, 2015 10:45 am
May 14, 2015 12:17 pm

Much of what we “know” about Earth’s climate in the past may turn out to be wrong, and most of what people predict about Earth’s climate will be wrong.
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People have been predicting global cooling or global warming disasters for over a century.
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My theory is predicting disasters gets attention, and some people crave attention.
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When I hear predictions of the future coming at me, I quickly plug my ears with my fingers and hum Beethoven’s 5th symphony.
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Earth’s climate varies, and once in a while there is an ice age — everything else said about the climate is speculation.

Reply to  Richard Greene
May 14, 2015 8:56 pm

I think we can safely say a few more things than you mention, to put it mildly Richard, without veering off into the realm of speculation.
BTW, I find it annoying that so many like to refer the “the Earth’s climate”.
The Earth does not have “a” climate. It has a multitude of separate and distinct climates.
One may speak of the climate regime of the Earth.
But to speak of the “Earth’s climate” is to stray into very sloppy language.

Mark
May 14, 2015 9:13 pm

I can’t believe WUWT actually posted this idiotic piece of anti-scientific drivel. There are SO many obvious falsehoods and blatant misrepresentations in this stupid list. Posting such stupidity is a shameful disgrace to everyone who considers themselves a climate skeptic. This kind of nonsense can’t help but make every sincere skeptic look like a demented fool in the eyes of the rest of the scientific community. Shame on Anthony and WUWT.

tom watson aka toms3d
Reply to  Mark
May 15, 2015 7:20 am

Dear Mark you seem to have strong opinions on climate skeptics. Could you provide all with link to a peer reviewed definition of what a climate skeptic is? And could you dazzle us with your brilliance by giving us examples of what you mean by obvious falsehoods and blatant misrepresentations.

Mark
Reply to  tom watson aka toms3d
May 15, 2015 7:21 pm

Claims #2, 3, 6, 8, and 17 are all outright falsehoods. Many others here besides me have made mention of these falsehoods, and there is plenty of peer reviewed evidence showing these claims are all false. No “dazzling brilliance” is necessary to confirm … just the ability to do the simplest of basic research in the published scientific literature.
Again, shame on WUWT for publishing such anti-scientific drivel.

Reply to  tom watson aka toms3d
May 15, 2015 7:26 pm

Mark,
I note all of your comments are no more than baseless assertions. Not one comment has any facts or evidence to support it.
This is the Internet’s BEST SCIENCE site, so we expect any point of view to have some credible facts. You have none.
If all you have are insults — and it’s clear that’s all you have — then you have already lost the debate. Go away, and leave the adults to discuss science. You’re not qualified.

Mark
Reply to  Mark
May 15, 2015 8:20 pm

dbstealey
If this were truly “the Internet’s BEST SCIENCE site”, this article would never have been posted. Anyone who has any level of scientific understanding of this topic knows merely at a glance that this article is filled with outright falsehoods. Many others here besides me have stated as much.
And sorry, but I can’t be bothered to post the refutations of what are essentially claims that 2+2 =17. If this were “the Internet’s BEST SCIENCE site”, there shouldn’t even be a need to do so.
Again, shame on WUWT for publishing such anti-scientific drivel.

Reply to  Mark
May 15, 2015 8:38 pm

Mark….Unless you can provide details to buttress your assertions, YOUR post is anti-science.

Reply to  Mark
May 16, 2015 3:34 pm

Mark,
Click on the icons on the upper right sidebar. The ones indicating that WUWT has repeatedly won “Best Science” awards. Those are facts, versus your unhappy, baseless, and wrong assertions.
Neither “Skepticalscience”, nor “realclimate”, nor any other alarmist blog has ever won the Best Science award. WUWT has won it each of the past three years (WUWT cannot win a 4th year, per the rules).
There is a very good reason your alarmist blogs never win science awards: the readers of your thinly-trafficked blogs are a relatively small clique of believers in the man-made global warming hoax. They are a small subset of people uninterested in honest science, and their numbers are dwindling. They are losing readers every year that there is no global warming.
Pretty soon, you won’t have much company at all.

Mark
Reply to  Mark
May 16, 2015 6:09 pm

dbstealey –
The “best science” awards you speak of are mere popularity contests – – – whoever gets the most votes wins. These awards have little, if anything at all, to do with the quality of content.
The fact that the article we’re discussing now was even posted at all on WUWT is proof positive that these awards have nothing to do with quality of content. No science blog sincerely interested in quality of content would ever post this list, containing as it does so may obvious and blatant falsehoods. In fact, I’d venture to guess that there may even have been articles posted here previously on WUWT which already refute the nonsense contained in this list.
Yet again, shame on WUWT for posting this anti-scientific drivel.

R. Craigen
May 15, 2015 1:29 pm

I doubt this one statement: “12. The sum of the surfaces of the Arctic and Antarctic icepacks is about constant, their trends are phase-opposite; hence their total albedo is about constant. (discussion: p. 25)”.
The first part is correct, but the constant albedo is doubtful because the arctic sea ice is at lower Southern Latitudes and therefore reflects more light than the northern pack-ice, which clusters at the pole. The constant icepack combined with a trend toward increased southern ice has a trend towards higher reflectivity.

May 17, 2015 8:46 am

But what about the Polar Bear??

Reply to  elmer
May 17, 2015 8:47 am

Just kidding great article.