Leif Svalgaard at AGU on the Current Solar Cycle: ‘None of us alive have ever seen such a weak cycle’

WUWT’s resident solar expert Dr. Leif Svalgaard (and others) says  ‘None of us alive have ever seen such a weak cycle’  and the panel he was on talk about the current state of our solar cycle at the AGU Fall Meeting.

Here is Dr. Svalgaard’s current SSN plot:

SSN_cycle24

Watch the video, Leif is on the left hand side.

At this year’s Fall Meeting of American Geophysical Union, held in San Francisco that I attended, prominent solar scientists made a presentation on weak Solar Cycle 24 and its consequences. They included:

  • Nat Gopalswamy, astrophysicist, Solar Physics Laboratory, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Maryland
  • Leif Svalgaard, senior research scientist, W. W. Hansen Experimental Physics Laboratory, Stanford University, Stanford, California
  • Marty Mlynczak, senior research scientist, Climate Science Branch, NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Virginia
  • Joe Giacalone, professor and associate director, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona

They agreed that the current solar cycle is on track to be the weakest in 100 years and that is an unprecedented opportunity for studying the Sun during this period. While the weak solar cycle trend is not new for the Sun, it is new and interesting for scientists who observe and measure it today with modern instruments and methods.

Hathaway_SSN_Dec2013

In this panel, scientists examined the current solar cycle in relation to past cycles and discuss the consequences of the weak solar cycle on the various layers regions between the Sun and Earth, including implications for space weather, atmosphere and climate.

Here is part of the press release package:

Solar signatures and Heliospheric Consequences of the Weak Activity Cycle 24

Nat Gopalswamy, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD 20771,

The Sun in the middle of its activity maximum that is relatively weak. The maximum phase ended in the northern hemisphere of the Sun and began about a year ago in the south.

The weak activity of cycle 24 is thought to be due to the weak polar magnetic field in cycle 23. If this trend continues for the next couple of cycles, the Sun may be heading for a global minimum.

Whether global minimum or not, the weak solar cycle has resulted in milder space weather: there are not many large geomagnetic storms and the energetic particle events are also generally of lower intensity. The milder space weather also reduces the drag on satellites and it is easy to keep them in orbit. On the other hand the space debris also have longer life, posing increased collision threat to operating satellites.

The weak solar activity in terms of the sunspot number did not quite translate into the CME rate itself. The CME occurrence rate in cycles 24 and 23 are comparable in the maximum phase. Then how do we understand the mild space weather in cycle 24?

A clue to the reason for milder space weather came from the fact that all CMEs that produced particle events are halo CMEs in cycle 24, compared to about 70% in cycle 23. Halo CMEs originate from close to the disk center and expand rapidly and give the appearance of surrounding the Sun. There must be something different about the size of the CMEs in SC 24.

Gopalswamy and co-­‐workers examined the relation between CME width and speed and found that the cycle 24 CMEs are wider than the cycle 23 ones for a given speed. For energetic CMEs (speed exceeding 1000 km/s), the width is higher by about 40%.

When they examined the total pressure (magnetic pressure + plasma pressure) in the heliosphere from measurements made by spacecraft such as ACE and Wind, they found that the pressure decreased by an astonishing 40% in cycle 24. From this they inferred that the pressure must drop by a similar amount near the Sun. CMEs released into this low-­‐pressure medium, expand more than usual, resulting in weaker fields, and hence weaker geomagnetic storms. The magnetic field strength in CMEs decides the intensity of geomagnetic storms.

As far the particle radiation, the situation is a bit more complicated. The reduced total pressure means a slight increase in the Alfven speed in the heliosphere. The Alfven speed is the characteristic speed of the medium. A CME needs to be faster than the Alfven speed to drive a shock that accelerates particles.

Therefore, it is slightly easier for the cycle 24 CMEs to drive shocks. However, the shocks are propagating through a medium of reduced magnetic field, which is known to be less conducive for accelerating particles to high energies. This means the number of particle events is not very low, but the events are generally of lower intensity and energy.

Here are other parts of the press release. Source: AGU

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December 13, 2013 5:43 pm

WYWT’s resident expert???
Wouldn’t that be your resident expert?

December 13, 2013 5:49 pm

Does anyone here know just how many “piggies” have their noses in the public trough, and how much cash is consumed by this “industry” with anything to do with weather?

Mike
December 13, 2013 5:51 pm

So, if this weakness continues through cycles 25, 26, or longer what does this do to earth’s climate?

phodges
December 13, 2013 5:51 pm

First again? And on a Solar thread?
Let’s see…ice skating in the streets of Dallas while summer snow falls in Australia…snow in Cairo and Jerusalem.
While the last few winters have seen snow in Tatooine, Tunisia (of Star Wars fame), tropical Brazil and Argentine Islands where no living local had ever seen snow. (see iceagenow.info for the litany)
You can tell me again it’s not the Sun, but I suspect there is more than TSI affecting the Earth. As climate is a sum of weather, maybe we should look at what constitutes weather and start thinking how the Earth’s interaction with the Sun contributes to that – ocean temps, jet stream locations, teleconnections, etc…

JimS
December 13, 2013 5:53 pm

I love how the word “unprecedented” is used.

Teddi
December 13, 2013 6:03 pm

It may just be my eyes, but each cycle seems more chaotic at its peak – if that is so, why ?

thisisnotgoodtogo
December 13, 2013 6:14 pm

Guys,
Dr.Svalgaard commented on such things himself very recently
“Science by press conference is often like that: To justify their funding [and beg for more], some scientists tend to claim that what they are seeing is unique, has never been seen before…”
Must see this thread:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/30/zombie-comet-ison-dies-again/
…might as well start from the bottom to see the bottom line

December 13, 2013 6:14 pm

Press Release says:
“The weak activity of cycle 24 is thought to be due to the weak polar magnetic field in cycle 23.”
Is there a commonly held theory on the mechanism of weak polar magnetic field in prior cycle producing a weak cycle, or is this an observed correlation that this cycle has repeated?
Probably covered a million times before here, but the statement above seems reticent to assert a known causal mechanism.

December 13, 2013 6:26 pm

thisisnotgoodtogo says:
December 13, 2013 at 6:14 pm
some scientists tend to claim that what they are seeing is unique, has never been seen before…”
except in this case, we strongly emphasize that for the Sun such cycles are old hat and that we have seen several such, e.g., as we point out, 100 years ago.

December 13, 2013 6:28 pm

Charlie Johnson (@SemperBanU) says:
December 13, 2013 at 6:14 pm
Is there a commonly held theory on the mechanism of weak polar magnetic field in prior cycle producing a weak cycle, or is this an observed correlation that this cycle has repeated?
Both, e.g. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.3408.pdf

Eric Barnes
December 13, 2013 6:30 pm

Yes he is an unbelievably huge PITA, but he’s our PITA. Hats off to Dr. Svalgaard.

December 13, 2013 6:33 pm

Imagine if we didn’t have a grand solar minimum at this time in history, when the entire planet was almost duped into and on the verge of conscription to an oligarch ruled global government? I understand the deep freeze hardship the new grand solar minimum is going to cause. But it’s totally worth it for our freedom and getting to stick it to the world’s oligarchs. No Carbon Dioxide Tax for you.
At 1:54 in this video;
“2009 is the first year of global governance with the establishment of the G20 in the middle of the financial crisis. The Climate conference in Copenhagen is another step toward the global management of our planet.”
Herman Van Rompuy is the first full-time President of the European Council.
How’s that NWO thing working out for you Herman?

December 13, 2013 6:33 pm

Cairo snow: Egyptian capital sees snowfall for the first time in 112 YEARS. Something’s going on. Is it the weak sun? Or, maybe… global warming? Yeah, that’s the ticket.

thisisnotgoodtogo
December 13, 2013 6:33 pm

Yes, Dr. Svalgaard, and except in this case you are always truthful

dp
December 13, 2013 6:33 pm

How profoundly refreshing to hear a scientist say “we don’t know”. We need more of that.

Ken L.
December 13, 2013 6:36 pm

Just looking at the graphs, if there are mechanisms not currently and precisely known for the sun’s variation to effect climate( new comprehensive multi-disciplinary research underway as I recall reading last January), could there be a lag in effect? If so, could the warming
prior to the current pause( 80s and 90s) possibly have been related to the peak activity in the 50s and early 60s? And in addition, might we expect possibly cooling ahead from the current downward trend in solar activity? I would appreciate if anyone here might address that question from this curious layman?

Editor
December 13, 2013 6:41 pm

Johnson:
Yes, there is a “commonly held theory” that the spots in one cycle depend on how much magnetic field moved to the poles in the prior cycle.
To me this leaves a little bit of an issue about inflection points. Somehow you need to have a shift from “less” to “more” flux in order to get the spots going up… but happening in a cycle where the flux went down prior and spots went down and…. So there’s an inflection change issue that I don’t know much about… But the “what you had determines what you get next” is the general idea.

gallopingcamel
December 13, 2013 6:56 pm

This discussion is way above my pay grade. I am here to say “Hi” to Chiefio.

Jimbo
December 13, 2013 7:03 pm

When you think about all the known knowns and unknowns that affect our climate it does make you wonder. It makes me wonder why co2 has failed to budge surface temps in the last 16 years. [Please no one tell me that such pauses have been seen before since 1850 – they have not at our level of co2 ppm].

December 13, 2013 7:03 pm

I would like to request that “thisisnotgoodtogo” be removed from participation on this website.

OssQss
December 13, 2013 7:11 pm

Excellent information!
Nice job Leif !
I do have a question relating to todays 2 trillion kilowatt hour measurement delta from the early 2000’s.
Can anyone quantify that delta over a years total of the same? Perhaps as a percentage of total?
I am just curious.

thisisnotgoodtogo
December 13, 2013 7:11 pm

I consider it of prime importance that scientists always be honest.
I’ve referenced Dr.Svalgaard elsewhere, trusting.

Alan Robertson
December 13, 2013 7:17 pm

I want to thank Dr. Svalgaard for the repository of his work and solar knowledge base which he maintains online and for his efforts here.

Dave
December 13, 2013 7:18 pm

I still don’t know the answer to this question: Did the Maunder minimum cause cooler temperatures on earth? What evidence for or against? According to the panel, there is no correlation apparently.

December 13, 2013 7:26 pm

phodges says:
December 13, 2013 at 5:51 pm
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That makes sense to me.

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