Newsbytes: climate programs now a political target

From Dr. Benny Peiser and the GWPF

Australian Government Axes Climate Programmes

MPs Call For Review Of Britain’s Climate Change Act

Public servants are drawing up plans to collapse 33 climate change schemes run by seven departments and eight agencies into just three bodies run by two departments under a substantial rewrite of the administration of carbon abatement schemes under the Coalition. The move is forecast to save the government tens of millions of dollars. The Climate Change Authority, which sets emissions caps, the Climate Commission, which has conducted research into climate change, and the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, which funds renewable technologies, are all slated to be abolished under the plans. –Sid Maher and Lauren Wilson, The Australian, 11 September 2013

Following the election of a new government, Australia is to abolish its emissions trading scheme, disband a climate advisory body and institute a carbon reduction policy that experts say will fail to meet its meagre target.

Tony Abbott’s coalition signalled that it would disband Australia’s Climate Commission – an independent scientific body that provides reliable information on climate change to the public. In response to a report the commission released, warning that extreme weather was made more likely by climate change, Abbott said: “When the carbon tax goes, all of those bureaucracies will go and I suspect we might find that the particular position you refer to goes with them.” –Michael Slezak, New Scientist, 10 September 2013

Coalition MP Dennis Jensen, who is a vocal climate science sceptic, has called on Prime Minister-elect Tony Abbott to appoint him as science minister. “At the moment to be honest I’m feeling under-utilised,” said Dr Jensen, the member for Tangney in Western Australia, who has a master’s degree in physics and a PhD in material science. Dr Jensen suggests he would be better qualified than anyone to take charge of science. “I’m not aware of any other scientist [in the Parliament],” he said. –Jonathan Swan, The Sydney Morning Herald, 12 September 2013

During the election campaign countless thousands of words were written claiming Australia’s carbon tax would either not be removed because Tony Abbott would have second thoughts or would be blocked in the Senate. Assuming the Coalition was convincing, it was always a very dubious argument because the Labor Party would not want another election after a big defeat. But, as it happens, the election gave effective control of the Senate to a group of unknowns and that makes the end of the carbon tax virtually certain, without a double dissolution. The independents were elected on complex preference arrangements and now have six years in the Senate. If there is a double dissolution in the second half of 2014 they may not be re-elected and their term will be closer to six months. So once it becomes a double dissolution issue carbon taxes will go. –Robert Gottliebsen, Business Spectator, 12 September 2013

I urge the minister, in the light of all the evidence that has come out about the lack of any change in temperature over the past 15 years, to think again about the Climate Change Act and to revoke it, amend it and support home owners and British businesses. –David Davies MP, House of Commons, 10 September 2013
Does my hon. Friend agree that the Climate Change Act is without doubt the most foolish piece of statute that any of us here is likely to see in Parliament? Does he further agree that the very principle of unilaterally re-embarking on a crash programme of carbon reduction can only have the effect of exporting our energy-intensive industries to places where they may emit more carbon, and that carbon reduction will have only a nugatory effect on the problem because, as he correctly states, the Chinese are increasing carbon emissions faster than we are succeeding in reducing them? –Andrew Tyrie MP, House of Commons, 10 September 2013
What worries me is our attacks on people’s energy bills — the poorest suffer most — and on British industry, because we have such penal energy policies. Tony Abbott recently won an important election victory in Australia saying that for him it was a referendum on the carbon tax, because he simply rejected dear energy for Australia. He was right about that for Australia, and should we not be doing the same here? –John Redwood MP House of Commons, 10 September 2013
Does my hon. Friend acknowledge that although the issue used to be called “global warming”, when the globe stopped warming the fanatics changed the name to “climate change” because nobody can ever deny that the climate changes? As he has just acknowledged, the climate always changes, and by changing the name they admitted that their previous hypothesis was wrong. –Philip Davies MP, House of Commons, 10 September 2013
David Cameron will face another challenge to his authority and credibility as a world leader today when Conservative MPs call for the UK to abandon its targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions. David Davies, the MP for Monmouth, and his other backbench colleagues will call during a debate in Westminster Hall for the Government to review the Climate Change Act, which commits the UK to cut its emissions by at least 80 per cent by 2050 compared with 1990. So Mr Cameron will have to choose between pandering to ‘sceptics’ in his own party or instead side with the world’s scientific community. It may not be an easy choice for the Prime Minister. And most of the editors of Britain’s right-wing newspapers have been coaxed by Lord Lawson into carrying out a concerted campaign of misinformation about the causes and consequences of climate change. –Bob Ward, The Independent, 10 September 2013
Nine of Europe’s biggest utilities have joined forces to warn that the EU’s energy policies are putting the continent’s power supplies at risk. Their intervention will put added pressure on EU leaders as they weigh the future of the bloc’s climate change policies. Gérard Mestrallet, chief executive of GDF Suez,  said one of the biggest problems was overgenerous renewable energy subsidies that had pushed up costs for energy consumers and now needed to be cut: “We have to reduce the speed at which Europe is building new wind farms and solar panels. At the moment, it is not sustainable.” –Guy Chazan and Pilita Clark, Financial Times, 10 September 2013
The battle over the future direction of the EU’s climate change strategy is to escalate further today, as a group of Europe’s leading energy companies prepares to warn that current policies are undermining the continent’s competitiveness. The energy giants are expected to side with the UK government and a number of other countries in arguing that the EU should not replace its current target for 2020 requiring a 20 per cent share of renewable energy with a new renewables target for 2030. -–BusinessGreen, 10 September 2013
Central European powerhouse Poland will anchor its energy strategy in coal and shale gas, with only limited investment in renewables, Prime Minister Donald Tusk said Tuesday. An EU nation of 38 million people, Poland currently relies on its vast coal reserves to produce about 90 percent of the electricity it consumes. “We want to have renewable energy sources, but hard coal and lignite — and soon shale gas — will remain our principal energy sources. That’s where the future of the energy sector lies,” Tusk told reporters. –Agence France-Presse, 12 September 2013
In a really good article in the New York Times, Eduardo Porter explains the economic end of the global warming debate in terms that even the most rabid green could understand. If he’s right then it may be that sanity has broken out in Washington. The Americans are going to reject Sternonomics out of hand. How long before politicians in Westminster follow suit? –Andrew Montford, Bishop Hill, 12 September 2013

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60 Responses to Newsbytes: climate programs now a political target

  1. Rob Potter says:

    “Australia’s Climate Commission – an independent scientific body that provides reliable information on climate change to the public.”

    Try saying that again without laughing when you know that it was led by Tim Flannery!

  2. Phillip Bratby says:

    Rob Potter: Don’t forget that greens have a different definition of “reliable” from the rest of society.

  3. “Tony Abbott’s coalition signalled that it would disband Australia’s Climate Commission – an independent scientific body that provides reliable information on climate change to the public.”

    This news source is not biased at all!! HaHa!

  4. Resourceguy says:

    The unemployed climate change ministry of truth workers can migrate to California. I hear they are still hiring truth pickers there.

  5. johnmarshall says:

    Australia is now diverting down the right track. It would be an intelligent decision for the UK to follow suit and scrap the Climate Change Act which was the longest suicide note in British history.

  6. GLEFAVE says:

    Finally, a place for the rest of us “Climate Refugees”. to migrate to.

  7. And most of the editors of Britain’s right-wing newspapers have been coaxed by Lord Lawson into carrying out a concerted campaign of misinformation about the causes and consequences of climate change. –Bob Ward, The Independent, 10 September 2013

    Here is another great one… Note to self: Bob Ward should never be trusted. Must be a paidoff hack…

  8. Robin says:

    Now if we can just get rid of the systems sciences/behavioral sciences push on all this globally through K-12 and higher ed. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877343512000024

    It is far less visible and going after permanent behavior changes whatever the factual reality at the unconscious level of values, attitudes, beliefs, and feelings. With digital learning instead of textbooks, most parents will never see the extent of the push. Much will be in the gaming push and virtual reality to “engage” the kids.

  9. edmh says:

    This says it all

    from

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmhansrd/cm130910/halltext/130910h0001.htm#13091045000001

    ———————————————————————–
    3.50 pm

    The Minister of State, Department of Energy and Climate Change (Gregory Barker): I am glad to be able to respond to the debate. My hon. Friend the Member for Monmouth (David T. C. Davies) has performed a useful parliamentary service in allowing the issue to be aired. Although profound climate scepticism may be only a minority interest, such sceptics voice a view shared by a number of my constituents and people in the newspapers. It is a view heard on the Clapham omnibus and it is right that we hear such views and debate them in the open. I agree with my right hon. Friend the Member for Hitchin and Harpenden (Mr Lilley) that a cloying consensus in Parliament does no service to legislation or national debate. However much I profoundly disagree with some of the arguments, it is right that we have the chance to air them in Parliament.

    Steve Baker: We have agreed here that science proceeds by conjecture and refutation, so in an attempt not to have a cloying consensus, will the Minister fund some climate scientists who wish to refute the current thesis?

    Gregory Barker: I am afraid that I do not have a budget for that sort of research.

  10. Roy UK says:

    A while ago we were told of the plight of the farmers in Australia. We have not had an update in a while. Is there any possibility that this change of government and its tidying up of the climate change bureaucracy will have a positive result for those farmers affected by the madness?

  11. BBould says:

    This type of political action is exactly what is required to save any country from themselves. Well done Australia! May your work be a model for the rest of the world.

  12. Robin says:

    Or this, the 57th Annual World Conference in July of the Intl Society for the Systems Sciences may not be on our radar but each of us, our societies, political structures, and economies are certainly on theirs. As targets for change and trying to change reality to fit the models.
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/sres.2174/abstract

    What a title–“Curating the Conditions for a Thrivable Planet: Systemic Leverage Points for Emerging a Global Eco-Civilization.” Even held in Vietnam to show off Hai Phong City, the 1st city in the world to be managed using an integral systems approach.

    But not the last. Mayors just love these things. Everywhere.

  13. Patrick says:

    Climateace chirping in about the LNP “direct action” plan just wont pay him enough to stuff CO2 in the ground in 3, 2, 1….

  14. Patrick says:

    “Roy UK says:

    September 12, 2013 at 9:04 am”

    Sadly no. The “Green extremism” in Aus will take years to flush out. Having said that, the LNP are jus as bad in their “Green” agenda!

  15. AlecMM says:

    The latest news about the UK is that following the decision of the Minister for Energy and Climate Change to disregard the May 2012 advice of his Chief Scientist, which is that the only way for the planned 15 GW [name-plate] windmills to save any CO2 emissions is to invest in massive pump storage [nuclear pumped so the 30% efficiency loss is not CO2 emitting], it has been decided to use distributed diesel generators to maintain constant output.

    This is being marketed by Siemens to keep up windmill sales. However, no-one seems to have realised that it will inevitably lead to a massive increase of fossil fuel use and even higher CO2 emissions than for a no windmill programme using CCGTs.

    This surprising result is easy maths. A 55% thermodynamic efficiency 15 GW CCGT programme has a fuel demand proportional to 15 GW/55%. The windmills have an effective capacity factor of 18% after including the ~30% power loss from the predicted 11% disconnection in gales. Therefore the 25% efficient diesel generators produce 82% of 15 GW meaning fuel use proportional to 15 GW.82%/25%.

    The ratio of this to the CCGT fuel use is 82%.55%/25% = 180% meaning the proposed system uses 80% more fossil fuel than the no windmill option. Furthermore, since the C:H ratio of diesel is 4/2.2 higher than methane, the CO2 emission is 150% higher. Also the diesel generator subsidy is 4 times higher than the windmill subsidy.

    So, we have the Minister of State deciding to increase electricity prices by a factor of >4 for the total system and to nearly double fossil fuel use for the 15 GW and half again for the CO2 emissions.

    The only logical deduction is that there may have been massive corruption and these people should be put on trial for it.

  16. FrankK says:

    The Australian Climate Commission – an independent scientific body!!!?? You have got to be joking.

    More like a group of public servants who wouldn’t know the difference between a cold front and a cold beer led along by flim-flam Flannery, a fossil bone digger who reckoned the capital cities would run out of water and influenced the spending of billions on desalinisation plants during the drought he said was due to climate change.
    Following the drought it rained “cats and dogs”.

    And “reliable information” what a joke – just a lot of blatant propaganda supported by the now defunct Labour government.

    Tony Abbott our new Prime Minister – long may he prosper.
    His famous unofficial quote:“[Human] climate change is crap”

  17. RC Saumarez says:

    Unfortunately any scheme run by government employees is awfully difficult to shut down.

  18. Tom J says:

    Very old quote, I believe by P.T. Barnum . . . ok, I’m having a brain fart. Let me try a quote from Georges Pompidou, the president of the 5th Republic, who said: “There are 3 roads to ruin. Women, gambling and technicians. The most pleasant is with women. The quickest is with gambling. But the surest is with technicians.”

    Well, with just a little luck, or more likely, hands on experience with them, it appears the people have grown weary of their technicians. Could it be time for the US to learn from others experience? Or, while we’re still mired in a non-recovery recovery, will we have to, ourselves, learn the hard way while the EPA doubles down on the president’s climate agenda?

  19. kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:

    Just as the imperialist warmonger Obama has been skillfully deflected from igniting an all-consuming Middle East war, leaving the reputation and prestige of his office in nigh-irreparable tatters, Mrs. Obama is coincidentally drawing away national attention with her Drink Up campaign, encouraging people to drink more water more often. Especially bottled water from the 14 endorsing bottled-water brands, or that run through the famous filters of endorser BRITA, etc.

    “Since we started the Let’s Move! initiative, I’ve been looking for as many ways as possible to help families and kids lead healthier lives. I’ve come to realize that if we were going to take just one step to make ourselves and our families healthier, probably the single best thing we could do is to simply drink more water,” said First Lady Michelle Obama. “That’s it – it’s really that simple. Drink just one more glass of water a day and you can make a real difference for your health, your energy, and the way you feel. So Drink Up and see for yourself.”

    Because one of the best ways to restore the worldwide reputation of America and Americans, is to start a campaign that rubs into the noses of the impoverished of the world that America is awash in water that is not only potable, but filtered and purified.

    Americans are drowning in water that is clean and healthy and fit to drink, as opposed to water loaded with parasites and diseases and drawn from contaminated rivers or watering holes that is likely to make you sick as the other ~90% of the world has to put up with. Yup, getting that info out there is sure to make the world love Americans again.

    What is Australia planning on doing with those many unused desalination plants? America may soon benefit from supplying bottled purified water as part of US aid to needy countries, Australia is well-located for distribution to South and Central America, Africa, and Asia. America might want to lease one or more of those plants, if they’re available.

  20. Gene Selkov says:

    Pompidou didn’t use the word “technicians”, he was referring to “technlogie”, whatever it meant to him:

    “Il y a trois façons de se ruiner : les femmes, le jeu et la technologie.”

  21. “RC Saumarez says:
    September 12, 2013 at 9:25 am
    Unfortunately any scheme run by government employees is awfully difficult to shut down.”
    “5000 jobs will be lost. Oh the humanity” (how many people work for the Australian Climate Commission? I had no luck finding this number via Google…)

  22. Carbon500 says:

    ‘edmh': Thanks for a very interesting link – it’s encouraging to see that some of the UK’s politicians are at last starting to question the ridiculous Climate Change Act and its consequences.

  23. Patrick says:

    “FrankK says:

    September 12, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Tony Abbott our new Prime Minister – long may he prosper.
    His famous unofficial quote:“[Human] climate change is crap”

    Unofficial indeed. What he said was the “science” (Behind human induced climate change) was crap, and as we all know it is. His comment has been taken out of context ever since. In fact he is now being reported as authorising, yes AUTHORISING, by alarmist groups, mining rights 24hrs into his PM-ship. He’s not even a PM yet!

  24. OssQss says:

    Robin says:
    September 12, 2013 at 8:57 am
    Now if we can just get rid of the systems sciences/behavioral sciences push on all this globally through K-12 and higher ed. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877343512000024

    It is far less visible and going after permanent behavior changes whatever the factual reality at the unconscious level of values, attitudes, beliefs, and feelings. With digital learning instead of textbooks, most parents will never see the extent of the push. Much will be in the gaming push and virtual reality to “engage” the kids.
    _______________________________________________________

    Dig to the roots of the issue here at the UN. Rembering that CO2 is the tool they are using to implement this.

    I would really love to see a nice writeup linking the Agenda 21/Sustainable Development (called smart growth in your local communities), the IPCC, UNFCCC, NGO’s, CO2 policy development, and the evolution of education as it relates to said subjects ,,,,,

    http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/index.php?page=view&type=400&nr=23&menu=35

    For some entertainment, check out the videos at the bottom of this page if you dare :-)

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/11/19/what-is-agenda-21-after-watching-this-you-may-not-want-to-know/

  25. CRS, DrPH says:

    Wow….I keep thinking of the nursery rhyme, “ashes, ashes, we all fall down!” Amazing.

    Don’t count these folks out yet, they have very powerful corporate entities behind the scams (GE, Siemens, etc.) and plenty of money. The next big push will be ocean acidification….keep your eyes open for increasing press on the “evil twin of global warming,” soon it will be the only thing they have left.

    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-09/uosf-ura091213.php

  26. Gary Pearse says:

    You mean there will still be CO2 abatement run by two departments in Oz? What for? I get a kick out of the saving of some 34 million with no mention of the saving to the taxpayer of that many billions.

  27. steven says:

    “It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they’ve been fooled”
    Mark Twain

  28. AnonyMoose says:

    climate programs now a political target… which is fine, if those programs were political creations in the first place. Painting a veneer of science over your political preferences does not make them more true. Historical examples abound.

  29. bit chilly says:

    alecmm,would you mind if i borrowed the numbers from your post for a letter i will shortly be writing to my local mp,msp and mep ?

  30. philincalifornia says:

    In sort of related news – an extreme weather event in Boulder, Colorado with no mention of climate change:

    http://weather.aol.com/2013/09/12/1-dead-as-flash-flooding-hits-parts-of-colo/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D374001

    Cue some lies and BS from TravestyTrenberth 3-2-1 ……

  31. Tom Matkin says:

    “cue some lies and BS from TravestyTrenberth 3-2-1″

    What we need is rehab for the media reporters who are addicted to contacting certain predictable spokespersons when an event arises within the category. It’s probably taught in journalism 101 that if a black person in America is offended, hurt or killed you immediately contact Sharpton and Jackson (and more recently Obama) for a juicy printable quote. If it clouds up like it might rain then you call someone on the hockey team. If nothing happens at all call Wasserman-Shultz. She doesn’t need a pretext to be outrageous. The news is an entertainment machine and it demands content.

  32. Minnesota Ollie says:

    One small corner of the world takes a small step forwards. Congratulations to Australia on your new administration and on this positive early result.

  33. Gail Combs says:

    RC Saumarez says: @ September 12, 2013 at 9:25 am

    Unfortunately any scheme run by government employees is awfully difficult to shut down.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Truer words were never spoken.

    Sadly, bureaucracies are parasites that increase in number until they strangle their host to death usually in about two hundred years.

  34. Sweet Old Bob says:

    MORE, PLEASE!

  35. gnomish says:

    something that was never much mentioned is that oz has been, for at least the past decade, the largest coal exporter in the world with no less than 26% of total coal exports. burn, baby, burn.
    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Coal_exports
    there are just too many jokes in this – i don’t even know where to start…

  36. Gail Combs says:

    Gene Selkov says:
    September 12, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Pompidou didn’t use the word “technicians”… “Il y a trois façons de se ruiner : les femmes, le jeu et la technologie.”
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Google Translate comes up with
    “There are three ways to ruin: women, gambling and technology.” SEE link

  37. Gail Combs says:

    OssQss says: @ September 12, 2013 at 10:05 am
    I would really love to see a nice writeup linking the Agenda 21…
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    There is:
    http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/

    http://www.postsustainabilityinstitute.org/the-post-sustainable-future.html

    https://pgtruspace.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/agenda-21-or-sustainability/
    ……….
    A major problem is most write-ups are ‘Right-Wing’ and discarded because of that. That is why I pick the above.

  38. Gail Combs says:

    AnonyMoose says: @ September 12, 2013 at 10:31 am

    climate programs now a political target… which is fine, if those programs were political creations in the first place…..
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    They were the IPCC even says so. The IPCC mandate states:

    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was established by the United Nations Environmental Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) in 1988 to assess the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant for the understanding of human induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for mitigation and adaptation.
    http://www.ipcc-wg2.gov/

    Humans were tried and found guilty BEFORE the IPCC even looked at a scientific fact. The IPCC mandate is not to figure out what factors affect the climate, but to dig up the facts needed to hang the human race using CO2 as the noose. The IPCC assumes the role of prosecution and the skeptics that of the defense but the judge (aka the media) refuses to allow the defense council into the court room.

    Thank goodness for blogs like Anthony’s where the truth has had a chance to leak out.

  39. Zeke says:

    Whoa whoa whoa, what’s this? What’s this? What is this about women and roads to ruin?
    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=tony+abbott+and+family&FORM=HDRSC2

    Excuse me. It seems that having a lovely lifelong marriage and three daughters could be the absolute making of some. (:

  40. CodeTech says:

    While they’re at it, they could shut down other equally effective departments in government:

    * The unicorn locating department
    * The Martian invasion defense department
    * The Leprechaun gold storage facility
    * The Zombie Apocalypse preparedness group

    I’m sure there are more.

  41. Eliza says:

    Posted by Cunukistan on Bishop Hills Blog this is quite amazing read last paragraph
    Well look what happened in parliament this week . . . catching up to the Aussies . . . nuke your Climate Change Act!

    “Philip Davies (Shipley) (Con): I am delighted to be one of the four remaining MPs who voted against the Climate Change Act in the previous Parliament, all of whom are in the room today. Although my hon. Friend rightly wants to chastise the Government, does he acknowledge that the Act, which has done so much to add to people’s energy bills, was actually steered through Parliament by the right hon. Member for Doncaster North (Edward Miliband), who is now Leader of the Opposition? Does my hon. Friend also agree that the Labour party has played a huge part in increasing energy bills, and that it is no good for Labour Members to complain about fuel poverty when they have created so much of it?

    David T. C. Davies: Indeed, I do agree. I am sorry that I was not a member of the famous five who voted against the Act in 2008, but I hope I will now do something to put that right. I am pleased to see my hon. Friend the Member for Chichester (Mr Tyrie) here, because he helped to steer the opposition to the Act at the time.

    I must confess that I was one of those who accepted the arguments that were made—I supported the Act when it was passed. Of course, part 1 clearly states that the Act is open to amendment if the science changes or if significant developments in science become clear. I contend that, given what we now know about climate science, we have a strong argument for reconsidering the Act with a view to either revoking it completely or drastically amending it.”

  42. Eliza says:

    I wonder if Zeke has actually given up along with Lucia trying to still show some sort of significant warming due to AGW using useless fraudlently adjusted GISS, BEST, hadcrut, etc data. I reckon its sweet time to go after the lukewarmers just joking! I think its acknowledged that the only reliable data is CET, RSS and AMSU satellite and that shows no trend for 202 months now

  43. Eliza says:

    Just joking Lucia actually has done a great job in showing that the models are way off

  44. u.k.(us) says:

    Zeke says:

    September 12, 2013 at 11:33 am
    ========
    Pardon me, but….
    …..correlation does not imply causation.
    Last I heard :)

  45. Andrew says:

    @Rob, to be fair Tom Foolery’s pronouncements WERE always reliable. He would always say it’s worse / hotter / drier / more koala-deadly / faster / more catastrophic than we thought. He was as reliable as a Swiss watch in that respect.

  46. Peter Miller says:

    The global climate ecolunacy is hopefully running scared of the first ecoloon vaccine that is now bringing sanity to Australia.

  47. Lil Fella from OZ says:

    Here is a little update on farming in Aus. It is a little off topic but the question was asked about farming in Aus. Green philosophy has had a huge impact on farmers. One of those things is buying farms and converting them to National Parks under many guises, of course water is one. ‘We have to do something about AGW to preserve the water.’ Just recently in the State of NSW 180 million was spent on a substantial purchase of land to make it a National Park. The land was probably worth no more than 20 million. This fit nicely with Agenda 21! The water at present is gleefully going into the sea!! Every time a purchase of that nature occurs it will eventually impact food prices! I might add this is not the first purchase of its kind in that area. Already about 400,000 acres have suffered the same fate. This is just one area!!!
    Further, many will have heard Lord Monkton mention the Natural Resources Management Board. This group is funded by the people, a State tax collected by local councils, to wage havoc on farmers. Control, control!!
    Simple, control the water, control the farmers and you control the people. Democratic???

  48. FrankK says:

    Patrick says:
    September 12, 2013 at 9:57 am

    “FrankK says:

    September 12, 2013 at 9:23 am

    Tony Abbott our new Prime Minister – long may he prosper.
    His famous unofficial quote:“[Human] climate change is crap”

    Unofficial indeed. What he said was the “science” (Behind human induced climate change) was crap, and as we all know it is. His comment has been taken out of context ever since. In fact he is now being reported as authorising, yes AUTHORISING, by alarmist groups, mining rights 24hrs into his PM-ship. He’s not even a PM yet!

    ———————————————————————————————————————–
    Not a lot of difference Patrick. But let me correct you – the bit about the “science underpinning” was how the Australian journalist reported it to make it sound more palatable and is not what he actually said. But lets face it its splitting hairs. He’s back tracked a little with his “direct action plan” for the sake of political effect. But I would venture that when it comes to it he will marginalise this plan given the state of the Labour’s deficit legacy.

    I agree the bit about authorisation of mining rights is definitely crap.

  49. richard verney says:

    AlecMM says:
    September 12, 2013 at 9:22 am
    /////////////

    Further to the point made by Alec that due to back up, the rolling out of windfarms will increase CO2, not reduce it, and due to the subsidies the cost of energy will rise significantly, Christopher Booker had an insightful article on this. See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/10220083/We-could-soon-be-paying-billions-for-this-wind-back-up.html

    It will be noted that in extreme cases the back up (standby diesel generators) will be producing electricity at a jaw dropping, eye watering price iof some £15,000 per MWh!! This will surely hike elecrity bills substantially and force even more into fuel poverty. Sheer madness.

  50. Stephen Brown says:

    I spoke with Andrew Tyrie MP (Conservative, Chichester) before the last General Election in a short one-on-one session. He impressed me with his arguments against any attempts to ‘control the climate’ as being an absolute waste of effort and money.
    I voted for him.

  51. Robert Orme says:

    Removal of the Carbon Tax was taken by Mr. Abbott to the election a few days ago and he was given a resounding victory. A previous Prime Minister, Ms. Gillard, said “there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”, and then promptly introduced one. At the moment members of the former government are running around like headless chooks, but still seem to think that they have to resist its repeal. It’s going to be an interesting time as the balance of power in the new senate will be held several micro parties, and obviously they do not want lose 6 years in office which will happen if they reject the Carbon repeal bill twice. Meantime, global warming continues to stall making the predictions look more and more unlikely.

    The Lord Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, doesn’t believe in global warming either!

  52. Zeke says:

    u.k.(us) says:
    September 12, 2013 at 12:44 pm Pardon me, but….
    …..correlation does not imply causation.
    Last I heard :)

    I did not say that the fact that Tony Abbott has a magnificent wife who is his lifelong mate, and three lovely daughters, is the direct cause of his being a civilized, rational, and considerate human being.

    I am saying it is axiomatic.

  53. Hoser says:

    If sanity really has returned, maybe the formerly free and once justly proud people of Oz can get their guns back, along with their honor and their freedom.

  54. Mike Allen says:

    I Would like to point out (regrettably) that Abbot came to the “Climate Change is Crap” theory while sitting in the town hall in Beaufort, Victoria. Which is a lovely and well loved town, but it’s as cold as a witch’s teat! I can just Imagine him sitting there freezing his arse off and the next thing he says is
    “Climate Change is Crap”. Solution: wear thermals in the Victorian Highlands, and up the desert at night. Love your work, just remember that reality needs a turn occasionally

  55. J Martin says:

    Hoser. The statistics of mass murder in Australia very strongly support them not getting their guns back. As do the statistics in the UK. Forcing people to keep guns in locked cabinets has been shown to work. And as we are regularly reminded by mass shootings in the USA, not to mention the nearly 2000 children and teenagers that die from gunshot wounds each year in the USA (US government statistics, 19 and under), not requiring that guns are kept locked away leads to a lot of tragedy.

    I am sorry, but some freedoms should not be allowed, because whilst a majority might be sensible enough, there remains a significant minority that are not.

    Mods. Sorry to be so off topic, but it seemed important.

  56. Mike Allen:

    You conclude your post at September 13, 2013 at 3:08 am saying

    just remember that reality needs a turn occasionally

    I agree, and you seem to have missed the reality that the ridiculous and untrue AGW-scare is crumbling fast.

    Richard

  57. Leo Morgan says:

    Complaining that the 3 programs won’t meet their goal disingenuously implies that the 33 would have.
    They would not.
    A child will come up with unfeasible solutions to a problem because they don’t know any better. “We can’t afford to buy a new car? We can get more money from the ATM.”
    But to get someone to impose solutions that won’t work when they do know it won’t work- that takes a politician.
    Or a Green extremist.
    In fifty years time when nanotech 3d printers are sucking carbon from the air to produce whatever gadgets our grandkids desire, they will be lamenting that we oldies didn’t put enough carbon into the atmosphere.

  58. Mike Jonas says:

    To add to comments by AlecMM and Robert Orme – Boris Is reported as saying that wind farms are a disease that has blighted Britain’s countryside.
    Did someone ever warn the British people that these moaning seagull slicers were going to be erected on some of the most sensational scenery that God ever called into being? ….. I mean the windmills, the turbines – whatever they are called. I mean the things that look like some hideous Venusian invasion, marching over the moors and destroying the dales; the colossal seaside toys plonked erratically across our ancient landscape; the endless parade of waving white-armed old lunatics, gesticulating feebly at each other across the fields and the glens.‘.

    He is reported as writing that in the UK’s Sun, but it’s surprisingly reported in Oz’s CAGW-committed SMH: http://www.smh.com.au/world/wind-farms-a-disease-says-boris-johnson-20130915-2tt61.html#ixzz2eymFui6z“.

  59. Jen says:

    I warn everyone not to get too celebratory about the new Australian government. While there are no doubt strong vested interests in pushing the climate change angle, we now have a government that is unwilling to seriously address any major social or environmental issues or to perform with a sophistication that matches the complexities of today’s world. This may seem like a breath of fresh air to some, but to others, including myself, it is a sign that we are in for a very childish and reactionary period in Australian politics.

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