Quote of the Week, down under edition

qotw_croppedMany Australians are celebrating the win of Tony Abbott and his coalition government as a vote by the populace against the much hated Carbon Tax ramrodded by former prime minister Julia Gillard.

David Elder of Australia, commenting on this event at WUWT, condensed what many of us feel about global warming and environmentalism into a single sentence.

A great victory over the radical green extreme. We here in Oz have found WUWT invaluable in this cause. There has got to be a better way of stewardship for the planet than by scaring the hell out of everyone.

Indeed.

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97 Responses to Quote of the Week, down under edition

  1. Gary says:

    Well said.

  2. Streetcred says:

    Let’s start by scaring the hell out of the radical green extremists … oooH ! I can’t wait to see the defunding of the NGO’s, research funding directed to practical deserving endeavors, and the leftist MSM made to eat crow !! BRING IT ON !!

  3. Jimmy Haigh. says:

    They don’t scare me!

  4. macattack says:

    Aus now open for business, Now onto the next step of following through and axing the tax. For the bloke trolling youtube who said “carbon tax is the way of the future” and that we “WILL pay it whether we like it or not” How do those words taste mate?

  5. I caught a quote on TV about the Coalition’s planned overseas aid cuts.

    “We will reduce funding to unaccountable international agencies.”

    I hope that includes the IPCC.

  6. John Blake says:

    Tony Abbott is entirely correct: The inconvenient truth is, AGW Catastrophism has precisely nothing to do with empirical scientific fact or even rational inquiry. Everything its sociopathic Green Gangsters do or say is one great big, fat lie.

  7. ossqss says:

    My Take !

    On its way down under>

  8. “…the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.” HL Mencken

  9. ossqss said @ September 7, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    My Take !

    What a pity he didn’t bring his false teeth with him! I was almost as saddened to hear of his demise in April as I was that of Bill Putt (a mere one inch shorter) last month.

  10. Larry in Texas says:

    I concur with your sentiment, David. Awesome stuff.

  11. Kiwi Guy says:

    Elections in NZ next year and hopefully the same result-Goodbye to Prime Minister John Key & the Greens

  12. GaryM says:

    So Australia’s thermophobia appears to be in remission, while this debilitating progressive mental disease continues to afflict the U.S. and Europe unabated.

  13. NZ Willy says:

    No idea what “Kiwi Guy” is on about, the current lot that we have in New Zealand is the best we’re gonna get. The Greens are NOT part of this government. The alternative to the present National government is a Labour-Green coalition and we do NOT want that.

  14. jorgekafkazar says:

    There has got to be a better way of stewardship for the planet than by scaring the hell out of everyone.

    No unelected stewards. No public funding of pseudoscience. No taxation without a vote. No signing of international climate treaties. No loss of freedom. No installation of unelected Ubergovernments. No IPCC. No EU. That’s the better way.

  15. Paul Westhaver says:

    Oz and Canada… leading the way!!!

    Canada backed out of the Kyoto Protocol officially June 29, 2012. And that was that.
    Welcome to the land of reason Oz.

    Regrettably some provinces are still in la la land and are punishing their citizens as if there was such a thing as carbon dioxide problem. Those provinces have leadership that use typewriters, pagers, and Volkswagen Westphalias (with flowers painted on the side)

  16. Goldie says:

    To be honest whether you believe AGW to be true or not, the way that the Carbon Tax in Australia was implemented made it entirely ineffective in actually reducing emissions in the long run, hence it was not necessary to be a skeptic to vote liberal.

  17. A.D. Everard says:

    Well said, David – that’s something that should be heard around the world.

    Thank you, Anthony, for making David’s comment a post. Cheers to all. :)

  18. Randall_G says:

    Ozzy! Ozzy! Oi, Oi. Oi!

    Regards from Virginia, USA!

  19. Greg says:

    Philip Bradley says:
    I caught a quote on TV about the Coalition’s planned overseas aid cuts.
    “We will reduce funding to unaccountable international agencies.”

    I hope that includes the IPCC.

    That description would apply to the whole of the U.N. , should be interesting to watch.

    Nice to see WUWT getting credit for providing information to the political process in Oz.

  20. Greg says:

    re. My Take !

    That some impressive rhythm guitar work by Richie Haven. I’m sure it was all one chord but he turns the guitar into part of the percussion section.

  21. Peter Pond says:

    I would like to be confident that the election win by the Liberal/National Coalition will bring some sanity to the (non-existent) climate change debate in Oz. Realistically however, ALL the scientists in the critical positions in the relevant government bodies/educational institutions are AGW (or even CAGW) true believers. And all of them owe their power, influence and incomes to perpetuation of the CAGW fear. When the incoming government asks them for “frank and fearless advice”, what do you think the new government is going to be told?

    In addition there are large numbers of bureaucrats at all levels of government whose very positions are dependent upon there being some climate crisis that needs attention. How many of them are going to suggest to the new government that their own position is not really needed?

    When academics and bureaucrats are so entrenched it will require a major effort to winkle them out. Not many politicians/governments can afford the time and emotional energy for this task and it is often less troublesome to apply gentle pressure only.

    Each month and each year that goes by without a resumption of global warming will make the task a little easier – but I am not holding my breath.

  22. NZ Willy says:

    Gaia is on our side. That and popcorn are all we need.

  23. Kim says:

    This woz one of the things wot dun it :- http://imgur.com/a/VxYDn .

  24. vespas4life says:

    Watts the big deal?

  25. UK Sceptic says:

    Randall_G – you missed out an Ozzy! But I understand exactly how you feel.

    :D

  26. Jon says:

    ‘Never in the field of human ideological conflict has so much been destroyed to so many by so few’?

  27. ConTrari says:

    Great to see that WUWT gets a well-deserved credit!
    Warm thanks also from the far north.

  28. Expatrius says:

    Perhaps worth remembering one of the first websites to campaign effectively against the global warming scam was Australian. The pioneering “Still Waiting for Greenhouse” run by the late John Daly first opened my eyes to the nonsense & lies of the global warming fraudsters.
    The site has been inactive for many years now, with the last posting in 2005. How sad that John never saw his pioneering work so conclusively vindicated.

  29. Hector Pascal says:

    I like this quote from Abbott in this Piece in Spiked.

    Time’s up for this Ruddy Technocracy

    Abbott’s vision reaches beyond the knowledge class to draw wisdom from the crowds. As he said recently: ‘My vision for Australia is not that Big Brother government knows best; it’s that our country will best flourish when all of our citizens, individually and collectively, have the best chance to be their best selves. Government’s job is rarely to tell people what to do; mostly, it’s to make it easier for people to make their own choices.

    That could almost be the POUSA speaking. Oh wait………

  30. Hector Pascal said @ September 8, 2013 at 12:45 am

    That could almost be the POUSA speaking. Oh wait………

    Is that the same Senen Pousa accused of raising at least $53 million from investors with false claims that he ran a group of elite foreign-exchange traders who could generate 78 percent annual returns?

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/us-authorities-accuse-brisbane-firm-of-53m-fraud-20120920-267mu.html#ixzz2eHoJ34IC

  31. ROM says:

    The official “Australian Electoral Commission’s” web site, the “Virtual Tally Room” which lists the up to the minute national vote and a quite comprehensive breakdown of the national voting patterns can be found @
    http://vtr.aec.gov.au/

  32. David W says:

    So Labor got thrown out of office due to the carbon tax? It wasn’t anything to do with them being the most incompetent government in the history of Australian politics?
    What do you do when both sides of the debate are full of it. As Mulder would say. Trust no one.
    Some of you guys make me ashamed to be on the sceptic side.
    Queue the feral attack dogs.

  33. Felflames says:

    Peter Pond says:
    September 7, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    You might not quite realize how we work down here.
    When we clean house, we usually go right down to the bedrock.
    There will shortly be a lot of unemployed scientists looking for work.

  34. FrankK says:

    macattack says:
    September 7, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Aus now open for business, Now onto the next step of following through and axing the tax. For the bloke trolling youtube who said “carbon tax is the way of the future” and that we “WILL pay it whether we like it or not” How do those words taste mate?
    —————————————————————————————————–
    Don’t forget Good ol’ Tone (PM Tony Abbott ) still has to get it through the Senate who are turning out to be Rag bag of “all sorts”. Referred to by one our previous PM’s as the “unrepresentative swill”.

  35. Greg says:

    Abbot said carbon tax abolition would be this first act as PM. Let’s see how gets that through a Senate that he does not have fully on his side before jumping with joy.

    It’s good to see that this climate BS is becoming toxic politically.

    Perhaps that what Obama meant

  36. David W said @ September 8, 2013 at 1:20 am

    So Labor got thrown out of office due to the carbon tax? It wasn’t anything to do with them being the most incompetent government in the history of Australian politics?

    “The English think incompetence is the same thing as sincerity.”
    Quentin Crisp

  37. David Chappell says:

    Caution before you all cheer too loud. Abbot is first and foremost a politician and a politician is someone whose electoral promises rarely translate into deeds. Remember Obama (just one amongst many)?

    I shall cheer on behalf of my daughter and grandchildren, who recently became fully-paid-up Australians, if and when…

  38. Dudley Horscroft says:

    Re David W’s comment, The carbon tax was a large part of being incompetent. No argument there.

  39. D. Lawrence says:

    Global warming alarmism is extremely useful as a form of employment for those that have failed in everything else.

  40. ROM says:

    A bit of quite useless information on an Australian electorate whose 90,000 voter’s are represented in the lower of our bicameral system’s House’s of Parliament, the House of Representative’s by just one elected member.

    The electorate of Durack in Western Australia covers some 1,587,775 sq kilometres or 613,044 sq miles.
    [ http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionProfile-17496-312.htm ]

    Alaska has an area of 570,833 sq miles.

    Texas is somewhat puny in area compared to this one single WA electorate represented one one single elected representative at 262,015 sq miles.

    The Durack electorate is approximately equal in size to the combined American states of California, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Oregon and Washington state.

    For Europeans, the Durack electorate is slightly larger in area than the combined West European countries of France, Spain, Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Austria.

    Western Australia of course, if it was a country in it’s own right, would be the 9th largest country in geographical extent on the planet and is larger than any single country in all of Africa since Sudan was divided.

  41. Carsten Arnholm says:

    Congratulations to Australia.
    Here in Norway, we also have an election today and tomorrow. The “Red-Green” government is likely to lose after 8 years. However, the Conservatives are committed to CAGW as every single party is in Norway, minus some few “climate deniers” (word used by PM Stoltenberg on TV two days ago) in the Progress Party. To top it all, we now have another, new “Green” party of zealots.

    It is an overdone parody.

  42. Stefan v says:

    A note of caution….Abbot & Co are also mere politicians. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

  43. Sasha says:

    It is interesting to see how people react to a democratic verdict they don’t like. For those who rather enjoy it when democracy (for once) gives the human-hating so-called “greens” a kicking, you should see the anguished yelling and screaming in today’s Guardian comments at the bottom of their article:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/07/tony-abbott-new-prime-minister

  44. wayne Job says:

    Being a politician and an honest straight forward person is usually an oxymoron, our new prime minister is such a person, thus despised by the left for he will not follow BS. We are blessed for now, but the left will start a concerted hate and villification campaign continuing a process they have been doing for years. Most have stopped listening and his good nature and character will win over many and we will have a stable and sensible government for many years.

  45. Gillard was much more convincing in the silence of the lambs.

  46. The important thing here is that there were only two significant groups supporting any kind of revival to the Kyoto treaty when it died at the end of last year.

    1. The nutcase EU
    2. Australia

    As long as Australia backed Kyoto the EU have the thin veneer of credibility that it was an “international” obligation that was forcing the EU to destroy the economy. Now when Australia also dumps Kyoto there will be no place to hide the fact that it is the self-destructive twats in the EU who want to destroy themselves.

  47. johnmarshall says:

    Well done Australia. I have always said ‘vote that woman out’ so voting does work (in a democracy). Now we wait to see if our new man is as good as his word, unlike Gillard.

  48. James Allison says:

    Kiwi Guy says:
    September 7, 2013 at 10:11 pm
    You twit! The Greens are in opposition to John Key and the National Gov.

  49. Admad says:

    Hmm. Listened to BBC radio news this morning and MOST SURPRISED that there was ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of this. Can’t quite understand why not (sarc off, or in the case of the BBC, naff off!)

  50. ecoGuy says:

    Abbott will get what he wants through the Senate for one very simple reason; a lot of the minor parties that have come in now would not survive a double dissolution. The magic of PR preferences is not likely to repeat exactly the same again. Also Palmer threw a massive spanner into the well oiled political machine and the green gear train got thrown out as a result.

    Interesting times are ahead and I think Abbott is in a good position to deliver. Labor and the Greens know this, they just aren’t prepared to admit it. I reckon a lot of ‘nutty’ legislation is going to burn.

  51. Carsten Arnholm says:

    Why is my post earlier today stuck in moderation?

  52. JohnB says:

    While I am happy that Abbott won, we have to remember that he is a politician. I have strong suspicions that many in the Abbott camp are sceptics so I would expect the Carbon Tax to go and feet being seriously dragged on a replacement.

    The election wasn’t a sceptic win, we simply did what a democratic nation can do and we dumped a completely useless government.

    A final note. In the first paragraph Prime Minister should be capitalised. Respect for the Office if not the person, that sort of thing.

  53. jim heath says:

    What scares me is that 30% of the population still voted Labor. If they still vote for a party that financially rapes their children and grand children what hope is there?

  54. Baa Humbug says:

    David W says:
    September 8, 2013 at 1:20 am

    So Labor got thrown out of office due to the carbon tax? It wasn’t anything to do with them being the most incompetent government in the history of Australian politics?
    What do you do when both sides of the debate are full of it. As Mulder would say. Trust no one.
    Some of you guys make me ashamed to be on the sceptic side.
    Queue the feral attack dogs.

    Some history for you David.
    When Kevin Rudd PM wanted to pass an ETS legislation, the then opposition leader Malcolm Turnbull – a fully fledged AGW alarmist – was ready and willing to sign up. At the 11th hour, and after a grass roots campaign (much of it via Jo Novas site) Turnbull was rolled by Tony Abbott by a solitary vote.
    This was the beginning of the end of the Labor Party. They lurched from one crises to the next after that with a highly disciplined opposition led by Tony Abbott never allowing Labor to recover. They changed leaders twice to no avail.
    Abbotts first and enduring catch-cry was “The Carbon Tax has to Go”. (The 2nd being “Stop the Boats”)

    So YES, the genesis of the demise of this putrid, incompetent government was the Carbon Tax. No question about it. You can re-write history all you want.

  55. rogerknights says:

    GaryM says:
    September 7, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    So Australia’s thermophobia appears to be in remission . . . .

    Cool term!

  56. Stephen Richards says:

    jim heath says:

    September 8, 2013 at 4:27 am
    What scares me is that 30% of the population still voted Labor. If they still vote for a party that financially rapes their children and grand children what hope is there?

    They are not alone in voting for incompetence. Voire – Cameron, Hollande, Obama, Merkel, Clegg, Salmond, etc. Need I continue? 97% of the world’s population are thick as two short planks.

  57. Stephen Richards says:

    David Chappell says:

    September 8, 2013 at 1:44 am
    Caution before you all cheer too loud. Abbot is first and foremost a politician and a politician is someone whose electoral promises rarely translate into deeds. Remember Obama (just one amongst many)?

    You clearly did not listen carefully to Hussein Obama. At no time during either of his campaigns did he define any policies. It was all retoric and anti-business pro unemployment.

  58. Congratulations too, for Jo Nova and Anthony Watts!
    May we awaken and follow the same, sane, brave, path that OZ has shown.

  59. WTF says:

    Greg says:
    September 8, 2013 at 1:38 am
    Abbot said carbon tax abolition would be this first act as PM. Let’s see how gets that through a Senate that he does not have fully on his side before jumping with joy.
    ————————————————————————————————-

    If the Senate obstructs him and if he is serious he will do what Harper did for the long gun registry. Simply defund the program and let it die a slow death. The Senate (if their powers are similar to Canada’s) can’t create or obstruct money bills. Even if a bill to eliminate the tax gets held up the Government could simply refuse to collect it through regulation.

  60. Oatley says:

    The people of the U.S. owe a debt of gratitude to the Aussies.
    Thank you.

  61. WTF says:

    I wonder if the Governments of BC, Ontario and Quebec are taking note?

  62. R. de Haan says:

    The current liberal Prime Minister of the Netherlands called wind power “a toy of the Green Party” and told the electorate we had to stop wasting our money on this “nonsense”. The first contract he signed when arrived in office was a 35 billion euro investment program in off shore wind farms.

    Let’s see how Abbott is going to handle the carbon tax and the “water tight, irreverible” legal contracting performed by the former government before people jump a hole in the air.

    I’m a skeptic.

  63. WTF says:

    They could also simply make the tax rate 0% tomorrow until the law can be revoked.

  64. Sleepalot says:

    The only election promise – “jam tomorrow.”
    (Still waiting for Obama to close Guantanamo Bay.)

  65. Dr. Bob says:

    The problem with government intervention in the economy is that changes in government lead to changes in signals that the government gives to business. If these changes occur ever 4 years or so, businesses will not invest in anything that is subject to government control, which is quite a lot of areas. For example, alternative fuels. In the US, the misdirection and mixed signals given by the Federal Government on alternative energy has stymied investment. A business cannot count on revenue from support programs as Congress may take the support away at any time. This happened to biodiesel when Congress failed to renew the excise tax credit for biodiesel production. Many marginal producers went under. If they had a viable produce produced at an affordable price, there would be no need for government support programs. But that is not the case. If there is going to be any progress towards meeting the RFS2 mandates requiring production of 36B gal/year of total biomass derived fuel, fuel production processes will have to be able to compete with conventional fuel on cost and performance. Neither are easy, especially for ethanol. And look at how close the industry is to meeting RFS2 goals. They have essentially no commercial Cellulosic Ethanol production when the mandate already is supposed to be at over a billion gallons a year. Last year they produced something like 3 million gallons, and that was from pilot plants that are not commercial activities.
    The attempt to produce “Drop-In Hydrocarbon Fuel” is probably the only way to get around the debits of oxygenated biofuels (biodiesel and ethanol), but converting a solid resource containing >50% oxygen into a liquid hydrocarbon fuel is not trivial and costs a lot of money in capital equipment and feedstock. Using Gasification and Fischer-Tropsch conversion, drop in diesel and jet fuel of high quality can be made from any carbon containing resource. But these plants are not cheap to build. They can use NG, Coal, Pet Coke, very heavy crude oil, or any other resource with carbon energy content. But no one will build these plants if Government regulations change day to day. This will be a challenge for Australia that could use its coal resource to be energy independent. Will the current government provide a stable regulatory environment upon which to build an energy infrastructure that will allow economic growth and prosperity. It can, but the country must be committed to it and never again try to use environmental regulations (e.g., GHG regulations) to control energy production.

  66. David Riser says:

    First off I am not Australian, but it seems to me a Prime Minister who lays out what he plans to do in plain talk is a good leader. If this leader also happens to have good ideas its a win win. I am hoping that the Honorable Mr. Abbott succeeds in his efforts to prove who he says he is. Good luck sir!!

  67. Patrick says:

    “Dr. Bob says:

    September 8, 2013 at 6:39 am”

    Australia already can be energy independent, right now! LNG is being sold and shipped offshore at ridiculous prices. And we have ~500 years of known coal reserves…

  68. rogerknights says:

    Peter Pond says:
    September 7, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    I would like to be confident that the election win by the Liberal/National Coalition will bring some sanity to the (non-existent) climate change debate in Oz. Realistically however, ALL the scientists in the critical positions in the relevant government bodies/educational institutions are AGW (or even CAGW) true believers. And all of them owe their power, influence and incomes to perpetuation of the CAGW fear. When the incoming government asks them for “frank and fearless advice”, what do you think the new government is going to be told?

    In addition there are large numbers of bureaucrats at all levels of government whose very positions are dependent upon there being some climate crisis that needs attention. How many of them are going to suggest to the new government that their own position is not really needed?

    When academics and bureaucrats are so entrenched it will require a major effort to winkle them out. Not many politicians/governments can afford the time and emotional energy for this task and it is often less troublesome to apply gentle pressure only.

    Here’s what Abbott should do. Convene a “science court” (google for papers describing its details) consisting of non-climate scientists in related disciplines who can understand climate science papers. Divide the court into several sub-courts dealing with different aspects of the topic. Invite warmists and contrarians to make their case to each sub-court, and to cross-examine each other. Then each sub-court would sum up its findings, ala the IPCC’s reports.

    Or something less formal could be done, such as debates before an audience of scientists, with votes before and after the debates as to how much of a threat AGW is.

    Or there could be long-running legislative hearings to which scientists on both sides were invited to give testimony.

    Incredibly, governments have shirked their duty to investigate and “vet” warmist claims using these traditional investigatory tools. So this is a great opportunity for Australia to pioneer and “put itself on the map” scientifically and politically.

  69. ozspeaksup says:

    Admad says:
    September 8, 2013 at 3:35 am

    Hmm. Listened to BBC radio news this morning and MOST SURPRISED that there was ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of this. Can’t quite understand why not (sarc off, or in the case of the BBC, naff off!)
    ======
    this am the ABC new pet labor fella :First Dog on the moon”s rant was ripper,
    so prolabor its…embarrasing
    of course the entire ABC science leaning is led by one R williams it would appear and he?? is such a watermelon fawning over any prowarmist he can get onto the show and pretty much barring ANY and ALL sceptical views for the last few years.. dissing Ian Plimer who he handed TWO Eureka science awards to a tad earlier:-) short memory that lad.
    a LOT of the abc is in for a bit of a shakeup I reckon
    and not before time!
    Abbot was once heard to say Climate change is a load of Bullshit.
    very truthful our Tony:-)
    one hell of a lot of relieved and happy folks in Aus today.

  70. Camburn says:

    “Skeptical Science Syndrome” does seem to be on the wan. Looks like this election is a clear result of this.

  71. BBould says:

    I wonder what stance they will take when CO2 is found NOT to cause any appreciable warming of the planet? What can they ban next to still remain in control?

  72. Patrick says:

    “Baa Humbug says:

    September 8, 2013 at 4:28 am”

    Lets put the “asylum seeker” and (So called) “illegal immigrant” entry to Australia to rest. 99% of all migrant entry, to Aus, is legal and at borders at airports.

  73. John Whitman says:

    David Elder said,

    [. . .] There has got to be a better way of stewardship for the planet than by scaring the hell out of everyone.

    If by ‘stewardship’ one basically means government action, then scaring strategies are the rule rather than the exception.

    If by ‘stewardship’ one means basically wanting to live in a relatively healthy place, that is nice. That is a self-correcting, sensible and personal motivation that is very effective.

    John

  74. Pete of Perth says:

    Mr Abbot must get rid of the 20% renewable energy target legislated by the previous Liberal government under John Howard. Only then will we have cheap energy.

    Link: http://jennifermarohasy.com/2013/09/remembering-appalling-policies-introduced-by-previous-coalition-governments-part-1/
    Science institutions such as the CSIRO are riddled with cagw faithful whose job depends on the continuation of the thermogeddon gravy train.

    Regards, Pete

  75. DayHay says:

    Hopefully all the people of Oz realize that REGARDLESS of what is happening on earth, making changes in their country will never ever affect anything global as far as CO2 or weather. Even if they had a contribution, it would be a pimple on an elephants ass quite literally.
    Now they can lead the way regarding climate science and its relation to politics.

  76. michael hart says:

    I have spent more time than most people walking and climbing on “the environment” because it gives me pleasure. Those who label themselves “green” also need to come to terms with the fact that the rest of us can care just as much, if not more, and that they do not own any moral high ground.

    You don’t need to have a religion to think that murder is a very bad thing.

  77. buhovda says:

    “Perhaps worth remembering one of the first websites to campaign effectively against the global warming scam was Australian. The pioneering “Still Waiting for Greenhouse” run by the late John Daly first opened my eyes to the nonsense & lies of the global warming fraudsters.
    The site has been inactive for many years now, with the last posting in 2005. How sad that John never saw his pioneering work so conclusively vindicated.”

    I second that!

  78. @Kim at 11:48 pm +2
    It brings a whole new meaning to the term “Carbon Footprint”

    New term: “Carbon Bootprint“: The Government’s “Carbon Pollution” police powers.

  79. Kick Stand says:

    BBould says:
    September 8, 2013 at 7:47 am

    I wonder what stance they will take when CO2 is found NOT to cause any appreciable warming of the planet? What can they ban next to still remain in control?

    Believe it will either be water vapor- or oxygen. Both obviously ‘tools of the devil’………..

  80. Sunspot says:

    There will be severe job cuts in The Department of Climate Change, some 4,000 I believe, to compensate for the loss of revenue from the carbon tax. I am not sure what these people achieve come Friday.

  81. Two Labs says:

    Or, rather, “trying” to scare the hell out [of] everyone.

  82. Jeff Mitchell says:

    Stefan v says:
    September 8, 2013 at 2:09 am
    A note of caution….Abbot & Co are also mere politicians. The lesser of two evils is still evil.
    ——
    Stefan, your post reminds me of the difference between a pessimist and an optimist: The pessimist votes for least objectionable of the candidates relative to their own purposes, the optimist chooses the candidate which best represents their purpose.

    Thus, you have the best choice equaling the least objectionable, but it is still the best. And that is with the same set of candidates. So saying the least evil is still evil is still a pig that won’t fly.

  83. DirkH says:

    BBould says:
    September 8, 2013 at 7:47 am
    “I wonder what stance they will take when CO2 is found NOT to cause any appreciable warming of the planet? What can they ban next to still remain in control?”

    Terror and War On Terror is the new Global Warming. One day you fund the terrorists, the next day you fight them. Terror Park, like Jurassic Park. AK(47)A Syria.

    The scientists who need to prostitute themselves can make studies about how to make terrorists use only renewable materials. I suggest Sarin-laden Trebuchets.

  84. Melbourne Resident says:

    You dont have to look far for Tony’s real beliefs, he got a briefing from Ian Plimer several years ago, he just couldnt say then what he really believes, but I wouldnt expect us to wait long for the scientific review lead by real scientists for a change. Tim Flannery – still our climate commissioner – should be packing his bags right now. Yes climate is only a small part of the reason for the Gillard/Rudd demise, shear incompetence and infighting were the main reasons. With regard to the Senate – dont expect anything much too soon, from the strange anachronism of our system, the Senate changeover does not happen until July next year and it is still dominated by the labor green alliance until then. Even then it will be a little like some candy bars – contains a sprinkling of nuts – so who knows what we will eventually get. I would expect an effective reduction in the carbon tax rate – long before any repeal of the law.

    Happy voter –

    ps – in my electorate it is still undecided – with only 70 votes in it – so maybe my vote will have counted?

  85. bobl says:

    @ Baa Humbug

    I’ll add to your historical recount, might be interesting for our international friends…

    The vote was to be taken on the ETS, there was a grass roots revolt from the public and the Liberal Parties phone system melted down with the number of calls to stop the legislation. They had never seen the number of contacts, ever, truly unprecedented. The legislation TO THIS DAY permits the government to enter your house WITHOUT WARRANT to check what light bulbs you use !

    This day is known as the “The day the electorate went nuts” – Tony Abbott.

    On the back of this revolt Tony elected to challenge Malcolm Turnbull and won by a single vote on a platform of dumping the ETS (which they did with their Senate majority- Abbott kept his word on this)

    Yes, Tony Abbott knows the depth of his commitment on the Carbon Tax, I’m sure, but he hasn’t yet promised to act on the other sops to the greens like the Renewable Energy Target, or repudiating Kyoto, or even calling for the dumping of the IPCC in the UN.

  86. Ken B says:

    Sunspot says:
    September 8, 2013 at 1:57 pm

    Don’t worry too much about that Sunspot, as many who work there don’t believe the meme that they had to support to ensure the salary kept coming. For some it was an incredible strain to conceal their true thoughts from their fellow workers due to the incredible vehemence and vilification and instant loss of job that would come if they were reported as “open to different views on the subject” They knew the line that must never be crossed and kept their heads down as it has been a difficult time economically to keep food on the table, educate your kids and pay off large mortgages in a time of rapidly rising prices, rates, taxes, and in colder Canberra huge energy bills, with everything being much more expensive, housing, childcare, living in the Canberra Capital (an annexed portion of the State of New South Wales). Privately and between trusted friends they could express the truth in typical Australian direct language, so some will be relieved that this strain will be lifted and their interest is now on how those vindictive supervisors and meme promoters will survive as reality sets in.
    Hopefully the universities and organisation like the C.S.I.R.O. and the Bureau of Meteorology will similarly face reality of a government that does not support the waste and effort that has gone into creation of propaganda, again many of the scientists and researchers dislike the falsity of the output that is demanded of them, but have seen the vicious treatment of those that had the temerity to speak out and none of them can afford become a target.
    I speaking with some, there was a feeling of hopelessness, of being trapped and an enormous expression of relief that they played a part in bringing down this house of cards by their vote for a new government.
    I wonder if the ABC and the other scare promoting media will seek out and report for all to see what has been a great travesty of green enforcement and promotion in this country.

  87. Brian H says:

    Carsten Arnholm says:
    September 8, 2013 at 4:09 am

    Why is my post earlier today stuck in moderation?

    It seems to be back now; I suspect you tripped the “den**r” verboten vord filter!!

  88. Brian H says:

    Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition. This will be a very instructive drama: elected government vs. opposed entrenched bureaucracy, pushing a self-empowering meme it would be suicidal to abandon.

    On the flip side, in an extreme reverse scenario, how would a “heads down” sceptic scientist who’d survived by silence, or even worse insincere support of the prior meme, now establish his bona fides as a sceptic/honest researcher? After all, anyone who sold out once is always for sale.

  89. Sunspot says:

    Ken B says:

    September 8, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    True enough there are innocent people caught up in the web that must toe the line in order to keep their job and pay the bills. I also agree that the CSIRO needs to alter their charter back to productive R&D rather than propaganda.

  90. JCR says:

    @bobl and others – much keeps being made of the fact that Abbott rolled Turnbull by one vote in 2009. I wish people would remember that Abbott was re-elected un-opposed as Coalition leader after the 2010 election.

  91. Geoff Sherrington says:

    We have a set of local rules down under, with a bit of a larrikin spirit.
    In early 2012, the State of Queensland had an election where the left-leaning leader Anna Bligh was replaced by a former Army major and right-leaning Campbell Newman. Just as Tony Abbot has been elected to replace Kevin Rudd.
    As told in an Andrew Bolt blog,
    “QUEENSLAND Premier Campbell Newman has ordered Anna Bligh’s husband to begin dismantling green energy programs he helped create, as the new LNP government moved to slash environmental spending to offset the federal carbon tax…
    We want him to unravel those programs ‘cause he’s the bloke who set them up,” Mr Newman said.
    Mr Newman denied his government was trying to manage out Mr Withers, an assistant director-general who set up the Office of Climate Change when his wife became premier in 2007.”

  92. Ken B says:

    Brian H says:
    September 8, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    On the flip side, in an extreme reverse scenario, how would a “heads down” sceptic scientist who’d survived by silence, or even worse insincere support of the prior meme, now establish his bona fides as a sceptic/honest researcher? After all, anyone who sold out once is always for sale.

    Brian
    There comes a time when you have to walk a mile in another man’s shoes, to understand their particular circumstances, it is always easy to put down another or espouse an ethical goal that others should aspire to, but for one reason or another that person makes a choice based upon their circumstances at the time.

    Women sometimes understand this more than men when deciding on the choices to be made to hold their families together rather than abandoning them, its nice to be moral and ethical but that won’t always put the needed reality on the table.

    Sure a researcher may be well remunerated in the job they hold, but if they morally object, is there any other position for them, especially in a highly specialized field of work/research.

    I try to walk that mile before I judge another if I can, but by the same token if you find that person wanting after due investigation, sure condemn their lack of integrity, perhaps they will also.

  93. John Trigge says:

    Here are some examples of why we changed governments:

    MILLIONS of dollars in taxpayer-funded grants for obscure research projects – such as the role of public art in climate change – will be scrapped or redirected to find cures for dementia and other diseases as part of a Coalition crackdown on government waste.

    and

    Coalition sources also cited as waste several grants worth more than $1 million into philosophical studies including the meaning of “I” through a retrospective study of 18th and 19th century German existentialists.

    It also suggested that programs such as the $160,000 given to Macquarie University to examine “sexuality in Islamic interpretations of reproductive health technologies in Egypt” would no longer receive taxpayer-funded assistance.

    Stupid wastrels, pandering to the Greens due to the hung parliament. There was never an opportunity wasted by the Labor government to spend, spend, spend OUR money.

  94. Will Gray says:

    Kim says:
    This woz one of the things wot dun it :- http://imgur.com/a/VxYDn .
    Great cartoons 10/10.. Thankyou kim.

  95. Steve from Rockwood says:

    Patrick says:
    September 8, 2013 at 6:57 am
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    Australia is a commodity surplus nation (like Canada). Being energy independent is meaningless if you are a net exporter (exports minus imports).
    The bigger problem for Australia is the fact they raped and pillaged the mining industry during the good times and find themselves in trouble only in a worldwide slowdown in commodities. I don’t think the mining companies will forget that, even if Oz declares itself open for business. Meanwhile China has been actively investing in other countries (many of them poor African countries). There is a change in momentum going on and Australia will need more than a few years of good behaviour to win back long term investment. This inertia could hurt the new government despite their best intentions.

  96. Thank you Anthony and others for the kind remarks.

    I think Abbott is an honest politician and will move to get rid of the carbon tax. He does face an obstacle in our senate or upper house; Abbott may not have the numbers there. But at least his election puts paid to further carbon taxes, emission trading schemes and the like. These are pointless indeed destructive for Australia to undertake unless the rest of the world does likewise – a large caveat. Especially with the extra problem of no significant global temperature rise for about 16 years.

    Abbott also hopes to bring in a ‘direct action’ plan to pay us as positive incentives to reduce CO2. The methods proposed seem of variable merit – I am sceptical about paying people to sequester CO2 in soil for example. But the worst excesses of the extreme green movement have been slowed.

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