Hump Day Hilarity: Great moments in planet saving energy engineering

British fracking protestor Prajna has it all figured out. Tom Wilson interviewed this guy at the fracking protest in Balcombe England. A cartoon from Josh follows.

Prajana

Prajna

Have you protested before on energy issues?
Prajna: “Well, no. But I’ve designed a few energy things. I’ve designed an internal combustion engine that only has two moving parts, which is far too efficient to produce, otherwise oil companies would kill me.

I’ve had some top engineers working on it. My great uncle designed a perpetual motion machine. But he was busy looking for something that would insulate between magnets in order to produce it. Well actually I’ve had a look at the design since. I looked into buoyancy. I did all the maths on buoyancy.

It never seems to quite work, does it?
Prajna: “Well, this is the thing. It does work. It balances perfectly.”

Are you against the extraction of all fossil fuels in the UK?
Prajna: “Do you know, it would be a wonderful start if they just stopped suppressing free energy and starting encouraging it. But they’re not about that.”

Read the rest of the brilliant set of interviews here: I met the fracking protesters

Josh also has an excellent cartoon on fracking here

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123 thoughts on “Hump Day Hilarity: Great moments in planet saving energy engineering

  1. I have to admit, I sent this missive to Caroline Lucas (Green Party MP for Brighton), to open her eyes to the environmental devastation that she and her party have been ignoring for years:

    Dear Mrs Lucas,

    I have to ask – why you are protesting about hydraulic fracking taking place, despite the fact that it is far safer than the manual fracking that has been carried out throughout the world for decades, with little attempt to reduce it?

    Manual fracking is considerably more hazardous than hydraulic fracking, as it involves sending a workforce into the locale to fracture the substrate; it also involves the use of many extremely dangerous chemicals – some highly explosive, and many known carcinogens – the removal of large quantities of substrate, despoiling vast areas of the surface, ruining many habitats, destroying environments, and creating huge risk of local tremors, many of which have been known to damage property and endanger life. Indeed, entire landscapes have been radically altered by manual fracking, resulting in the destruction of many environments. As I said before, this has been carried out in this country for decades, yet you have done nothing to control or prevent it, yet feel incumbent to interfere with the considerably safer process of hydraulic fracking – there are about 500,000 hydraulic fracking sites in the USA alone, and there has never been one instance of harm or damage to any individual, community or the environment. At the hundreds of manual fracking sites in this country, there have already been thousands deaths recorded, including many children, yet you are not making any protest about this devastation!

    Yours sincerely,
    Radical Rodent

    I suppose I could have added more, but I wanted to keep the message short.

    Originally posted this on Bishop Hill, where at least one person liked it.

  2. An internal combustion engine with only two moving parts?
    Hmmm….A lump of iron serving as a piston in the combustion chamber to generate electricity as it moves across a magnetic field? Moving part number 2: a check valve of sorts for the fuel flow?
    I wonder how often “Prajna” moves his parts?

  3. …I’ve designed an internal combustion engine that only has two moving parts…

    We already have an internal combustion engine with only ONE moving part. Frank Whittle invented it during the 1920s. We call it the ‘Jet Engine’…

  4. It would be funny if it wasn’t so dangerous. As somebody said in comments somewhere else, in 1984/5 the police were roaming the country stopping flying pickets to enable businesses to continue to operate. Today, the exact opposite appears to be the norm. What went wrong? One answer to that question is the lack of balance.

  5. Guinevere is Eric Idle. Regan could be Michael Palin. Karl Marx in the first picture needs crutches now? Poor fella.

  6. What a coincidence. My favorite perpetual motion machine is driven by buoyancy also.

    The rotor is a chain of accurately formed buoyant spheres (e.g., ping pong balls) glued to fibers 1/2 ball diameter long. The stator chamber has an opening, at its lowest part, lined by a vertical cylinder of just ball clearing diameter that is low friction and three ball diameters long – through which the chain of balls is passed. See that two balls are always in the cylinder preventing flow. The chain is passed from the cylinder valve, up through the working liquid (buoyancy), over the side of chamber (on a wheel if you will), hanging down the side of the chamber (gravity normal force), and freely looping up into the cylinder valve.

    The weight plus buoyancy should be sufficient to keep the chain in motion. Sadly it is not. I was in high school when I discovered why.

  7. I’ve debated “free energy” advocates many times before. Many seem to hold two conflicting beliefs at once: (1) The laws of thermodynamics hold. (2) If you’re really clever, you can confuse Mother Nature enough that she gives up extra energy.

    Must be a psychological term for this phenomenon.

  8. Rhoda R says:
    August 21, 2013 at 2:18 pm
    They vote.
    =================

    That’s the truly scary part…

  9. Dodgy Geezer says (August 21, 2013 at 2:00 pm ): …”Frank Whittle invented it during the 1920s. We call it the ‘Jet Engine’…”
    ‘Ram Jet’ if I remember correctly.. and as OldWeirdHarold says (August 21, 2013 at 2:12 pm): “…I got that beat. A turbine is an internal combustion engine with one moving part.”

    That seems to cover the cases for both zero and one moving part. I’m a bit dubious about Prajna’s design with two though.

  10. Annie says:
    August 21, 2013 at 2:06 pm

    Human high intelligence in action…..or not, as the case may be!

    see there are your two moving parts

  11. I’ll venture a guess on his college major: environmental studies, sociology or psychology. Presently, living in mom’s basement, unemployed and on the dole.

  12. Saw this on Bishop Hill. I laughed.
    Then I felt guilty.
    These people are not reaching their potential… but they are still people.

    Prajna, for example, appears to have been damaged somehow. Maybe it was his lifestyle choice (dope). Maybe it was bad luck.

    But I felt bad for laughing at him.

  13. Anytime I’ve seen coverage of environmental protesters here in Oregon the same type of folks as those in England show up. Totally clueless about everything but convinced they know the “TRUTH”.

  14. “Rhoda R says:
    August 21, 2013 at 2:18 pm
    They vote.”

    Worse than that Rhoda – they breed.

    :0/

  15. OK, so they’re fruitcakes. But something about holding them up to ridicule leaves me feeling uneasy. A bit like picking on a disabled child at school. Does that sound cruel? It’s not meant to. I’ll just shut up now.

  16. He could easily release the design for his engine into to public domain and then multiple companies would start to produce his “free energy”.

    Either:

    a. He is lying and there is no such design, or,
    b. He wishes to monopolize the production of “free energy” for himself.

  17. The reason that it’s fair to hold them up to ridicule is that THESE are the people being used by the warmist establishment to try and pretend that there is some great grass roots movement that supports their anti-energy, top down controlling agenda.

    No – their only real foot soldiers are hangers-on who hope to scam a buck or two, ideological loons, and the mentally incompetent. That needs to be repeatedly pointed out, and ridicule is the best tool to do that with.

  18. Perpetual motion machines?

    Only one small problem. They don’t seem to produce any extra energy to do useful work.

  19. Oh dear, and they have the temerity to psychoanalyse skeptics and call us “nutters”!

  20. Meanwhile in Australia, the greens are promoting solar thermal in the desert just 500km from the nearest large city. Apparently they don’t know about line losses. By desert I mean uncleared rangeland and dry lake systems that cannot be cleared except after serious environmental assessment. So they want to despoil a near pristine environment to generate electricity in a place that means over a third of it would be lost before it can do any good.

  21. Hippies are such dorks. What is the next best thing to free energy? How about 3c kWh from coal powered plants, and 2d gal gas? Voluntarily purchased and used as seen fit?

    Anyone who has free energy to offer the world had better do so now while there is cheap abundant energy and means of production and distribution.

    However, claiming that the economy must be destroyed first reveals that these activists are in reality waging economic warfare on free nations.

  22. Is there any other free stuff he wants, besides energy, while we are on the subject? Free doctors, free college tuition, free contraceptives?

  23. OldWeirdHarold says:
    August 21, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    > Perpetual motion. AKA “drinky bird”.

    Thermodynamic system. Works by creating a thermal gradient thanks to evaporative cooling. I don’t know of similar systems scaled up enough to do useful work.

  24. I don’t get why people even want a perpetual motion machine, when there is so much energy available.

    If you could somehow cheaply tap earth’s orbital velocity or say the geological heat of the Earth- that would be different.

    Considering that we can tap the past energies of supernovas by using nuclear decay [fission reactors- which capable of providing nearly a infinite source energy]. The issue isn’t some lack of energy, it’s do people actually want to use it.

  25. Perhaps he has a new religion for us, and a new organic vegetarian diet? Do we need to destroy the agricultural sector, along with electricity generation? Nationalize or destroy churches for a new religion which he likes better to just break out? The possibilities are just endless when you are a progressive with a plan.

  26. @sevad
    Don’t feel sorry. He doesn’t feel sorry for you either. What he is doing is not innocent. He wants you and me to get poor and live in misery. This kind of people need to be exposed. They live in lala land and want everyone else to go there too. No way!

  27. Yet another example indicating the shallow end of the gene pool needs a little more chlorine……

  28. Zeke says:
    “Is there any other free stuff he wants, besides energy, while we are on the subject? Free doctors, free college tuition, free contraceptives?”
    I say:
    Please, please give him free contraceptives!

  29. Latitude says:
    August 21, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    are these the same people?

    The thing I noticed was that every car was on the wrong side of the road. How are pedestrians supposed to look out for the obviously wrong?

    (Thats sarc by the way)

  30. There is an IC engine with NO moving parts-a varient of the pulsejet (WW2 German V1 engine). Instead of flapper valves, the geometry produces pulsating air intake and exhaust thrust. Also excellent at converting fuel to noise…

  31. RHS said:
    August 21, 2013 at 2:50 pm
    Wonder where he got the double wide folding chair…
    =================================================
    No, it’s a love seat. A folding love seat.
    (For folding love,… I reckon.)
    Ok, I’ll shut up now too.

  32. Re Prajna pose:-

    That is not tea or coffee in the mug/cup. There is no liquid in the mug/cup, that is just the colour of a well used, on site, contaminated (dirty) drinking vessel. Interesting how variable “contamination” can be?

  33. Richards in Vancouver says:
    August 21, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    Zeke says:
    “Is there any other free stuff he wants, besides energy, while we are on the subject? Free doctors, free college tuition, free contraceptives?”
    I say:
    Please, please give him free contraceptives!

    I am not paying for that. He can go out to New Mexico and live in a teepee off the grid with Rosy Palmer and her five sisters.

  34. “I don’t know of similar systems scaled up enough to do useful work.” (Ric Werme at 4:47PM).

    One travesty of an example proves your (underlying) point precisely: windmill farms.

    s-c-a-L-E-D u-P,

    and doing no useful work (given that their cost of production far outweighs their marginal energy production benefit).

    SCALE THEM UP TO THE MOON, Alice!* ……….——— ^^^
    It will result only in “dig(ging) our selves out of this hole.” (Dope & Biden and Co.)

    *”The Honeymooners” TV show allusion

  35. Goldie says:

    Meanwhile in Australia, the greens are promoting solar thermal in the desert just 500km from the nearest large city. Apparently they don’t know about line losses

    Worse still, they don’t appreciate that Geothermal is Nuclear in Australia. They don’t understand that geothermal from radiogenic sources isn’t as well controlled as the operation of a man-made machine that exploits the same phenomenon more efficiently.

    They’ll happily fracc for geothermal but not for any useful source of energy.

    I think that that’s the key. To them, any useful source of energy is “bad”.

  36. Rhoda R says: August 21, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    “They vote.”

    Doug UK says: August 21, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    “Worse than that Rhoda – they breed.”


    We have found a source for Paul Ehrlich to experiment with !

  37. @Donald P. McCollor
    “There is an IC engine with NO moving parts-a varient of the pulsejet (WW2 German V1 engine). Instead of flapper valves, the geometry produces pulsating air intake and exhaust thrust. Also excellent at converting fuel to noise…”
    ++++++++
    Quite right.

    The putt-putt boat engine has no moving parts either and is WAY more efficient than the gas-type because the working fluid has been condensed (heh-heh).

    For those who don’t know about it, the putt-putt is an external combustion engine that uses shaped orifices to create water flow biased in one direction, which create a jet to propel the boat. They are often candle-powered.

  38. IC engine with two moving parts = 2 stroke engine (piston+crankshaft). Huge ship powering variants (with addition of an exhaust valve, fuel, oil and water pumps and turbocharger are most efficient engines in existence at up to 53%.

    >rabbit says:
    >August 21, 2013 at 2:28 pm
    >I’ve debated “free energy” advocates many times before. Many seem to hold two conflicting >beliefs at once: (1) The laws of thermodynamics hold. (2) If you’re really clever, you can confuse >Mother Nature enough that she gives up extra energy.

    >Must be a psychological term for this phenomenon.

    Yes, Ignorance or Stupidity. Tanstaafl (There aint no such thing as a free lunch)

  39. “Goldie says:
    August 21, 2013 at 4:15 pm
    Meanwhile in Australia, the greens are promoting solar thermal in the desert just 500km from the nearest large city. Apparently they don’t know about line losses. By desert I mean uncleared rangeland and dry lake systems that cannot be cleared except after serious environmental assessment. So they want to despoil a near pristine environment to generate electricity in a place that means over a third of it would be lost before it can do any good.”

    Goldie, IMO you’re right about the transmission losses but the bad news is that most of these “pristine rangeland environments” are another green furphy.

    Start with aboriginal fire management before the arrival of Europeans. Then throw in the changes since – e.g. grazing, rabbits, woody species expansion for a few – and they’re mostly about as pristine as a recycled virginity.

  40. M Courtney says:
    August 21, 2013 at 2:54 pm
    Prajna, for example, appears to have been damaged somehow.
    ++++++
    dono. quite liked him. definitely living in the now.

  41. Feel sorry for Prajna ???
    Give his type a little more power and a gun and he’ll forcefully relocate you and a few million of your friends to the country for a little good old fashioned, back to nature, agrarian reform.

  42. rabbit says:
    August 21, 2013 at 2:28 pm
    “I’ve debated “free energy” advocates many times before. Many seem to hold two conflicting beliefs at once: (1) The laws of thermodynamics hold. (2) If you’re really clever, you can confuse Mother Nature enough that she gives up extra energy.

    Must be a psychological term for this phenomenon.”

    There is. It’s called “separation anxiety.” It happens when one is incapable of separating one’s self from mother. Mother then embodies all of nature. Rather common.

  43. These people clearly need psychiatric help and should be in an institution rather than be allowed to wander free in public.

  44. Crispin in Waterloo says: August 21, 2013 at 6:56 pm
    … The putt-putt boat engine has no moving parts either and is WAY more efficient than the gas-type because the working fluid has been condensed (heh-heh).
    For those who don’t know about it, the putt-putt is an external combustion engine that uses shaped orifices to create water flow biased in one direction, which create a jet to propel the boat. They are often candle-powered.

    The Miyazaki film “Ponyo” had a pop-pop boat, magically enlarged, for the kids to adventure in. First I’d ever heard of them. The only YouTube video I found of it had a rather impolite rap sound track, so I’ll spare the url. Lots of other pop-pop videos on YouTube though.

  45. These people are the remnants from the Cold War anti-nuclear protesters. After the Cold War ended they needed to find something else to protest about. Then came global warming and now fracking.

    In the interview I read “My great uncle designed a perpetual motion machine” and this:

    Are you against all fossil fuel exploration?
    Tom: “Yes.
    It’s costly, inefficient as well as environmentally damaging. It’s going to lock us into a carbon future that’s not only destructive in terms of climate change but also it’s incredibly expensive and will increase the fuel poverty that we see.”
    [my bolding]

    Is this what we are against?

  46. Prajna:

    So she said, ‘Do you intend to stay?’ And I said, I don’t intend to stay, I don’t intend to leave… I actually have no intentions at all.

    My motto is ‘always say no to drugs’.

  47. “Actually I don’t consider myself to be anything, because as soon as I consider myself to be something, the Government uses it to control me…..”

    Wow! I have this problem too!

    Looks more like a protest against reality than against fracking as such.

    Thanks for these interviews it was great to see and hear the warmist intellectual heavyweights expressing their views. WUWT should do more of this as it gives better balance to the debate.

  48. We do have a perpetual motion machine, with a single moving part. Called electric motor. Needs only permanent supply of clean electricity and that, uhm, comes from the wire, right? I wonder why these dudes can’t run their power plants on electricity.

    Actually, no. I was five years old when came up with this smart solution while watching the small generator attached to my grandpa’s bike, but soon realized it would have never worked as expected.

  49. What’s that brown stuff coming out of his mouth?

    What an embarrassing individual. Sadly his green mates probably regard him as essential but eccentric, instead of what he truly is: a total liability.

  50. There are plenty more like Prajna living in my neck of the woods, including Dale Vince, the founder of bird-slicer installer Ecotricity.

  51. …Dodgy Geezer says (August 21, 2013 at 2:00 pm ): …”Frank Whittle invented it during the 1920s. We call it the ‘Jet Engine’…”
    ‘Ram Jet’ if I remember correctly..

    and as OldWeirdHarold says (August 21, 2013 at 2:12 pm): “…I got that beat. A turbine is an internal combustion engine with one moving part.”
    That seems to cover the cases for both zero and one moving part. I’m a bit dubious about Prajna’s design with two though….

    Actually, Whittle invented the Jet Turbine in the 1920s. I think Ram Jets were proposed by the French in the 1910s.

    In the days when we had REAL engineers…..

  52. Ironically the most rational person from the link given was the druidess. Place like that can cause a lot of anxiety and other negative emotions that can bubble out of control. Giving a “time-out” space is the most responsible thing I’ve seen there.

  53. Like many people I am not totally happy about fracking, especially after watching the film ‘Gasland’. I understand though, that a lot of the film was exaggerated. Also it would appear that some of the problems were caused by unscrupulous companies not lining the wells properly which may allow pressurised fracking fluid to escape. does anyone have knowledge if it is the same few firms which allegedly are causing the problems? I also firmly believe that if we had a safe and secure electricity generation system which doesn’t rely on unsuitable renewables like wind or solar then there would be less of a need for fracking. However given that billions (perhaps trillions) of pounds have already been wasted on wind, we now need fracking in this country to prevent millions of deaths from hypothermia.

  54. I pity these types I really do. And to have these “big thinkers” interviewed and broadcast on nationwide TV, then spat out over the internet just makes me laugh my head off at them and their preposterous claims. As has been pointed out up-thread, his inventions were actually invented long before he did. I guess this “Einstein” forgot to patent his inventions, probably after smoking something odd. His finger nails are the same colour as the inside of the cup…needs a lot of smokes to do that…

  55. Pranja looks as if he has just snorted a couple of lines. Certainly sounds like he has.
    These idiots protest about pollution yet many drove there in old poorly maintained vehicles that spread pollution wherever they drive. Hypocritical Luddites.

  56. Never mind, folks – school’s back in the UK next week, so they’ll be back at their desks – or their teaching posts…

  57. A better interview topic would be how they got along with their parents. The regular “set” who show up for these dos appear to have unresolved family issues that they try to redress on the larger stage. I’m know of a few. Wearing Ghandi’s costume or whatever it is gives the opposite effect to what they think it does. Its a gathering of the disenchanted and a celebration of themselves at a venue about which they haven’t the faintest clue – this includes the MP in all the above. Interviewer, ask her if she hates her father. Most amazing of all is how these damaged empty vessels get so much traction.

  58. There are types that seem to ascribe some sort of meaning to names. On a hunch I typed “Prajna” into Google and found;

    http://babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com/meaning_of_Prajna.html

    Maybe because I now live “downunder” I can consider the meaning to be the exact opposite? Where am from originally, sadly the same country as this fellow and not too far from the location of the protest, most would simply call him “Prat”.

  59. Protests of this nature are evidence of the prosperity of the culture.

    If things were not going well, these people would have to be hustling the obtain the necessities of life. All of them are taking advantage of the industrial culture we have. The vegetables in the vegan stew pot were undoubtedly shipped from somewhere, to say nothing of the pot itself, a product of a mine, shipping, and metallurgy.

    Albert Einstein spent some time as a clerk working for the Swiss patent office. He was doing so as he was formulating his four papers published in 1905. One of his principle tasks was to reject patents for perpetual motion machines. I’m sure those receiving the rejections thought themselves persecuted by the ‘powers that be.’

    After reaching my limits with one acquaintance claiming to have a perpetual motion machine, I told him to just build it. His fame would be everlasting if he could overturn the 2nd law of thermodynamics. I would say the same to anyone with free energy devices.

    If someone were looking for financing such a system, try http://www.indiegogo.com/. You just might get funding for the project in this age of scientific ignorance.

  60. They’ve discovered the Great Truth: If you consume enough psychoactive chemicals, the Rules of the Universe don’t matter anymore! :-)

  61. IMO, the minimum number of moving parts in a conventional 2 stroke IC engine (Excluding all others, fluids, pumps, switches, transmission etc) would be 3. The piston, the conrod (Ignoring the little end moves on the gudgeon pin, the big moves on the crankshaft) and the crankshaft. You could argue it is actually 5. If neither of these components moved an engine in that state would be considered “seized”.

  62. Here’s some irony:

    “I have a working device utilizing perpetual motion.”
    “Cool, let’s see it.”
    “Easy. Here’s the Youtube link.”
    “Wow. That’s impressive. It really works?”
    “Yup. I got the schematics and everything.”
    “You’re gonna be rich!”
    “Nope. Industry is suppressing free energy.”
    “Really? Why?”
    “Because they’re greedy and don’t want to lose their monopoly.”
    “So, why not release your plans to the world. Somebody’s got to be interested.”
    “No way. Somebody would steal the idea and I wouldn’t get any money.”

  63. Seems like a lot of folks here prefer to post off-topic ad-hominem attacks against Mr. Prajna rather than address the issue of fracking. This, in my view, tends to cede the “moral high ground” to a most undeserving element by in effect “lowering ourselves to their level”. That said, fracking may pose significant trade-offs which would be imprudent to make at this juncture, as the jury is way, way, out on the risk/benefit in proposed fracking/pipeline activity proximate to high-value aquifers.

  64. “Jonathan Pulliam says:

    August 22, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Seems like a lot of folks here prefer to post off-topic ad-hominem attacks against Mr. Prajna”

    “Prajna” won’t be his family name on his birth certificate (Assuming he is British and born there), so you can’t call him Mr. Pranja (Legally without a deedpoll). Regardless, he assumes some sort of, as you say a “moral high ground”. Why? Why is *HIS* opinion and view more valuable that any other?

  65. Wow… actually, he looks rather harmless. I’m pretty sure he’ll never cost his country a lot of shed blood & £100bn+ listening to some wack job named Dick Cheney. Who btw cost his country a lot of shed blood and maybe 6 trillion.

    Ttyl, locate that barf bag.

  66. Progressives like to introduce an anti-war ethic, as if human life was precious to them.

    But the facts of the 20th century objectively analyzed show that the greatest killers during the 1900’s were governments killing their own citizens. Of the 65 million killed in WWII, 45 million were disarmed citizens killed within their own borders by their own governments. 15 million were battle dead.

    Progressives leave many facts and incommensurate realities out of their anti-war paradigm. Above we see how playing an anti-war card is now being introduced as justification for the open economic warfare being waged against free, open societies in the West through the abuse of science, AGW, and sustainability programs – a form of warfare deliberately waged in order to destroy domestic production capacity and to destroy purchasing power by citizens.

    Historically, the only countries who historically do not attack each other are democracies. Authoritarian, totalitarian, and communist countries have first killed their own citizens, then invaded and waged war on their neighbors.

  67. They showed them packing up on the T.V. Nylon tents, sleeping bags etc. He wouldn’t be sitting on that chair if it weren’t for the petrochemical industry

  68. Death by Government by RJ Rummel, pg 24
    inre: the data shows the number of dead by democide far outstrips the battle dead – for example, WWII:

    “Moreover, even the toll of war itself is not well understood. Many estimate that WWII, for example, killed 40-60 million people. But the problem with such figures is that they include tens of millions killed in democide [death by government]. Many wartime governments massacred civilians and foreigners, committed atrocities or genocide agaisnt them, executed them, and subjected them to reprisals. Aside from battle or military engagements, during the war the Nazis murdered around 20 million civilians and prisoners of war, the Japanese 5,890,000, the Chinese nationalists 5,907,000, the Chinese communists 250,000 [figure rose to millions after the war], the Nazi satellite Croatioans 655,000, the Tito Partisans 600,000, and Stalin 13,053,000 (above the 20 million war dead and Nazi democide of Soviet Jews and Slavs). I also should mention the indiscriminate bombing of civilians by the Allies that killed hundreds of thousands, and the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Most of these dead are usually included among the war dead. But those killed in battle versus in democide form distinct conceptual and theoretical categories and should not be confused. That they have been consistently and sometimes intentionally confounded helps popularize the 60 million figure for the number fo war dead in WWII, a figure that is way above the calculated estimate of 15 million killed in battle and military action.”

  69. If it actually worked, he could use it to become a wealthy and powerful man. So wealthy in fact, he could buy every oil company and make the employees do the chicken dance all day.

    Reminds me of psychics: if they could really see the future, they’d play the stock market instead of reading palms for 20 bucks.

  70. Crispin in Waterloo says: August 21, 2013 at 6:56 pm
    … The putt-putt boat engine has no moving parts either and is WAY more efficient than the gas-type because the working fluid has been condensed (heh-heh).
    For those who don’t know about it, the putt-putt is an external combustion engine that uses shaped orifices to create water flow biased in one direction, which create a jet to propel the boat. They are often candle-powered.

    ================================================================
    I’d forgotten all about those. I had one when I was a real little kid. It was tin with a thin copper tube that formed a coil in the bottom of the boat. Both ends of the tube stuck out the rear of the boat. It was only a couple of inches long. It used a cut down birthday candle. I remember I’d fill the bathtub with water and it would putt around the tub. (That is, it would putt around the tub when i didn’t sink the thing trying to light the candle.)
    I don’t know why they stopped making them. Too many kids setting the bathtub on fire?

  71. Ed Mertin saysAugust 22, 2013 at 9:47 am

    … I’m pretty sure he’ll never cost his country a lot of shed blood & £100bn+ listening to some wack job named …

    Freedom; so over-rated … and the costs to maintain it, not worth it either.

    God save the Queen!

    .

  72. @ Jimbo,

    Don’t judge people who use drugs. A lot of interesting things have come out of drug use, like art.

  73. Jimmy Haigh. says August 21, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    These people clearly need psychiatric help and should be in an institution rather than be allowed to wander free in public. …

    “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” with Jack Nickleson comes to mind …

    .

  74. Mike Wryley says August 21, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    Feel sorry for Prajna ???
    Give his type a little more power and a gun and he’ll forcefully relocate you and a few million of your friends to the country for a little good old fashioned, back to nature, agrarian reform.

    Wha!? Never happen. Those types are harmless, as harmless as the others in history who curiously studied socialism and read the works of Lenin (as Joseph Stalin did) or Zheng Guanying (as Mao Zedong did) …

    .

    .

    /sarc (if needed)

  75. Patrick says August 22, 2013 at 6:59 am

    IMO, the minimum number of moving parts in a conventional 2 stroke IC engine (Excluding all others, fluids, pumps, switches, transmission etc) would be 3. The piston, the conrod (Ignoring the little end moves on the gudgeon pin, the big moves on the crankshaft) and the crankshaft. …

    The Wankel engine? (A single-rotor design)

    2 moving parts, and it’s a 4-stroke.

    http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/html/one_rotor_wankel.html

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  76. From Outrageous Ampersand on August 22, 2013 at 2:49 pm:

    Don’t judge people who use drugs. A lot of interesting things have come out of drug use, like art.

    How much and which drugs does it take for you to think you’re pissing into a giant flower?

    Although frankly, these colorful handmade porcelain giant flower urinals are quite striking. First saw them when mentioned on a local TV home and garden show. Also the snail and conch shells are great.

    Now this is “modern art” I can support, explicitly made to pissed on. Rather than merely suitable and deserving.

    Hey, here’s a question. Some upscale place puts these in their mens room. How long does it take a stoner to convince themselves they really are looking at a urinal?

  77. Jonathan Pulliam says August 22, 2013 at 7:48 am

    Seems like a lot of folks here prefer to post off-topic ad-hominem attacks against Mr. Prajna rather than address the issue of fracking.

    Judged by this one thread or by the totality of the material and wealth of posts addressing the subject of ‘fracking’ on this website?

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  78. “_Jim says:

    August 22, 2013 at 3:56 pm”

    My post, I should have been clearer, was in response to RobL about 2 stroke (Suck and squeeze, bang and fart) engine (Piston/crank, ie, conventional) and large examples of which are used in ships. I don’t know of a rotary engine used in large ships. Mazda have exploited this very well with their 13B 4 stroke (Suck, squeeze, bang and fart) engine with no “top end” (Valve train) to worry about at 10,000rpm or more. That’s why the “hoons” love ‘em here in Aus.

  79. Gunga Din says:
    August 21, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    An internal combustion engine with only two moving parts?
    Hmmm….A lump of iron serving as a piston in the combustion chamber to generate electricity as it moves across a magnetic field? Moving part number 2: a check valve of sorts for the fuel flow?
    I wonder how often “Prajna” moves his parts?

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    OOPS! For this to be even theoretically possible the “piston” would need to be the magnet moving across a copper-wound iron. Of course it would have no real practical application. Maybe I can get a “Green Energy” grant?

  80. Patrick says August 23, 2013 at 6:12 am

    My post, I should have been clearer, was in response to RobL about 2 stroke (Suck and squeeze, bang and fart) engine (Piston/crank, ie, conventional) and large examples of which are used in ships.

    … using the two-stroke ‘diesel’ cycle which still requires an exhaust valve (camshaft driven or a lobe on the crankshaft plus a ‘rocker’ arm and pushrod?) Plus usually a low-pressure good-volume (roots blower type) supply of air on the intake port (which the piston uncovers towards the bottom of the crank stroke). Still requires an injector pump too (not insignificant; there is a high-pressure injection requirement on this).

    I took it that the ‘game’ afoot was finding the lowest-count on moving parts … no? Wankel still requires timing for a spark plug but this can be solid state and triggered via sensors monitoring crankshaft position.

    Refs – https://www.google.com/search?q=two-stroke+diesel&oq=two-stroke+diesel&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3.9414j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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  81. “RobL says:
    August 21, 2013 at 6:58 pm
    IC engine with two moving parts = 2 stroke engine (piston+crankshaft). Huge ship powering variants (with addition of an exhaust valve, fuel, oil and water pumps and turbocharger are most efficient engines in existence at up to 53%.”
    I say;
    “Patrick says:
    August 22, 2013 at 6:59 am
    IMO, the minimum number of moving parts in a conventional 2 stroke IC engine (Excluding all others, fluids, pumps, switches, transmission etc) would be 3. The piston, the conrod (Ignoring the little end moves on the gudgeon pin, the big moves on the crankshaft) and the crankshaft. You could argue it is actually 5. If neither of these components moved an engine in that state would be considered “seized”.
    You say;
    “_Jim says:
    August 23, 2013 at 7:28 am”
    I said in reply “(Excluding all others…”. The content of you post falls in to the category of being excluded.

  82. NO MOVING PARTS

    In high school I qualified for the International Physics Olympiad by solving a problem on an engine with no moving parts.

    You are in a submarine in seawater and have a battery and a permanent magnet, both fixed. Can you make the submarine move?

    The answer was YES.

    You put the magnet with poles up-down. You put the terminals of the battery right-left, outside the submarine, in seawater. You’ll have electrolysis (that’s why you had to have salty seawater.)

    As, say, negative electrons move right-to-left, around the submarine, positive ions move left-to-right, both in the magnetic field of the magnet.

    As they have opposite charges and opposite velocities, they will be pushed THE SAME WAY, say, backwards.

    By action and reaction, the submarine moves forward.

    Decades later, I read that the Navy had considered such an engine, completely silent. The problem was that electrolysis produced bubbles, easy to detect. So they were still working on ways to capture the bubbles…

  83. From Adrian O on August 23, 2013 at 9:27 am:

    In high school I qualified for the International Physics Olympiad by solving a problem on an engine with no moving parts.

    Decades later, I read that the Navy had considered such an engine, completely silent. The problem was that electrolysis produced bubbles, easy to detect. So they were still working on ways to capture the bubbles…

    Dang, you’re ancient. First patent is from 1961. That was decades later for you?

    http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2997013.html

    In 1994 the US Navy patented a modernized version, now with superconducting supercooled electromagnets.

    http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5333444.html

    Now although your solution sounds ingenious, it also sounds like “bathtub nautical engineering”. Technically correct, the model would move nice in a still tank. But could you get enough thrust to move a real submarine anywhere but with the current? Note the “modern” version upgraded to seriously strong superconducting electromagnets to get more thrust.

  84. kadaka (KD Knoebel) says August 23, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Heh, found an “Electromagnetic Propulsion” page, some plans, diagrams, good descriptions.

    Tom Clancy novel material I believe …

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