Quite a performance yesterday. Steve Milloy is calling it the “Zapruder film” implying it was the day the AGW agenda got shot down. While that might not be a good choice of words, you have to admit they did a fantastic job of shooting down some of the ridiculous claims made by panelists prior to them. While this may not be a Zapruder moment, I’d say that it represented a major turning point.
Give props to both Roger and Roy.
Marc Morano reported:
‘Senate global warming hearing backfires on Democrats’ — Boxer’s Own Experts Contradict Obama! — ‘Skeptics & Roger Pielke Jr. totally dismantled warmism (scientifically, economically, rhetorically) — Climate Depot Round Up
‘Sen. Boxer’s Own Experts Contradict Obama on Climate Change’ — Warmists Asked: ‘Can any witnesses say they agree with Obama’s statement that warming has accelerated during the past 10 years?’ For several seconds, nobody said a word. Sitting just a few rows behind the expert witnesses, I thought I might have heard a few crickets chirping’
Video link and links to PDF of testimonies follow.
Here is the video link, in full HD:
http://www.senate.gov/isvp/?type=live&comm=epw&filename=epw071813
Dr. Spencer writes about his experience here and flips the title back at them:
The PDF’s of each person’s testimony can be accessed by click on their names below:
Panel 1
| Dr. Heidi Cullen
Chief Climatologist Climate Central |
| Mr. Frank Nutter
President Reinsurance Association of America |
| Mr. KC Golden
Policy Director Climate Solutions |
| Ms. Diana Furchtgott-Roth
Senior Fellow Manhattan Institute for Policy Research |
| Dr. Robert P. Murphy
Senior Economist Institute for Energy Research |
Panel 2
| Dr. Jennifer Francis
Research Professor Institute of Marine and Coastal Sciences, Rutgers University |
| Dr. Scott Doney
Director, Ocean and Climate Change Institute Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution |
| Dr. Margaret Leinin
Executive Director, Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institute Florida Atlantic University |
| Dr. Roger Pielke, Jr.
Professor, Center for Science and Technology Policy Research University of Colorado |
| Dr. Roy Spencer
Principal Research Scientist IV University of Alabama, Huntsville |
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The performance was great; I thought it would be all over the news. Some county papers did report it.
Several minutes of filler page at the start of the video – I almost reported the link as faulty.
It’s sort of frightening to me, to see exactly how thick our elected government representatives are. I mean, of course we all know this abstractly, but to see those geniuses in action…
~wuwghhghgh~
Does anybody think Whitehouse would have dared to ask Spencer about his views on evolution if Spencer had happened to be muslim? I don’t, personally. Amazing that he’d have the audacity to go there at all in a hearing on climate change. Talk about sleazy lawyer tactics.
And the sum up point to walk away with according to Whitehouse, that if only we could get our CO2 emissions under control fishermen wouldn’t have to sail so far to fish. I was flabbergasted. I don’t know if Whitehouse honestly believed that or not. I hope he didn’t, some part of me would still like to pretend that he couldn’t possibly be such a simpleton.
On a different but related note, I wish we had a skeptic authority there on the effects of climate change on the oceans. The stupid 30% more acidic quote comes up and nobody can put it in context. Measurable increase in temperature? Sure, to an extent, but once again it’s misleading.
Still, Dr. Spencer did as well as anybody could I think, and Dr. Pielke certainly did as well.
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But it’s here. A 2013 version of the 1776 small town paper. (But with a lot more readers.)
Did you notice that Chairman Boxer said the purpose of the hearing was “to focus on Climate Change and the serious threat it poses to our nation”. I’d hate to be an innocent murder defendant in a trial whose judge starts the trial with something like: “we’re here today to find out why the defendant committed this heinous and vile act against the unsuspecting and innocent victim, and why the jury will convict and hand down the death penalty”.
Link to HD video doesn’t work, it says “Coverage Begins at 10:00 am” and doesn’t play any hearing.
Video won’t run for me. XP pro Firefox.
“Did you notice that Chairman Boxer said the purpose of the hearing was “to focus on Climate Change and the serious threat it poses to our nation”.”
That’s interesting. Lately she has been stumbling to keep the word “warming” coming out of her mouth. It looks like her aides and lobbyist minders have trained her now to stick to “climate change.” If the money can move the drones into believing in significant anthropogenic “climate change” as much as they did AGW in specific, it is a still a win, especially for the insurance industries.
Boxer is just doing her job, that is to be the most biased and partisan that she can be. She does a good job.
Oops, never mind, video works fine. Early onset …
What brians356 says.
“… some part of me would still like to pretend that [Whitehouse] couldn’t possibly be such a simpleton. …,” [Mark Bofill]
LOL, Mr. Bofill, I think you’re right, for your subconscious graciously edited Whitehouse’s inane remarks. He thinks that the flounder fishermen “DRIVE” to find the fish!!! Wow. I have heard many people, myself included, say, “drive the boat,” instead of “pilot” the boat, but, when “the boat,” is not included in the phrase, EVERYONE I’ve ever heard talk about it says simply “go” or, if more knowledgeable, “sail.” No one says, baldly, “Let’s drive to get some fish,” lol, unless they’re headed out to eat. Whitehouse is out to lunch.
Pielke concedes things that he shouldn’t such as agreeing with Whitehouse that the IPCC reports are credible. Some parts are, but some parts assuredly are not. Spencer’s monologue on Cook’s bogus research sounds like he agrees with it. I’m disappointed in the performance of both witnesses. Whitehouse will take their statements to reinforce his position rather than change his position to a reasonable one.
Wow, 3 hours and 48 minutes… I’m going to need an extra large bowl of popcorn! 🙂
Great showing, and it’s especially delicious that this push-back occurred in Boxer’s (“Please don’t call me ma’am, General”). What a pompous twit.
I was especially gratified to read Roger Pielke Jr’s remarks in this kind of forum. He’s spot-on when it comes to defusing the alarmist rhetoric about “accelerating severity, damage, frequency” that is so cavalierly strewn about by alarmists. And yet he continues to argue for “decarbonization of the economy” for reasons that elude me. Carbon-based fuels have done more to raise humanity from poverty, drudgery, disease, and suffering than any other class of chemicals in history.
But RP Jr will come around.
I just read Spencer’s testimony. He nailed it.
Heidi Cullen to Senator Vitter’s question about who agrees that temperature around the globe have continued to rise even faster even than was predicted ten years ago: “I think right now I we need to focus on the fact that warming is happening very, very quickly.” [Repeat the mantra over and over …] … “With to respect to President Obama’s specific statement, I can’t comment on that.” [Avoid answering inconvenient direct challenges] … “Bottom line is, greenhouse gases have continued to move quickly in the atmosphere” [Just blurt out a sound byte however incoherent or comical. Yep, those gases are moving around up there, perhaps even quickly, if there happens to be a big mixer like hurricane or something]
And dear little Heidi is one of the “experts” in the 98%.
In reply to Miss Cullen’s testimony to congress:
“2. Global Warming Has Not Stopped (William: Planetary temperature is not increasing, has stopped based on the definition of stopped as opposed to increase, however, Heidi Cullen – who is the Chief Climatologist, Climate Central Senior Research Fellow, Wharton RiskManagement and Decision Processes Center, University of Pennsylvania Visiting Lecturer, Princeton University – appears to be unable to acknowledge a fact.) Global warming has not stopped. It is important that we distinguish between global mean temperature and global warming. While the temperature rise in the atmosphere may have temporarily slowed, the warming continues to penetrate into every component of our climate system. The human impact on our climate system is significant. Current greenhouse gas concentrations are trapping enormous (William: The use of adjectives is not a substitute for data and analysis to support assertion.) amounts of heat into our climate system every day.
William: There is a factual difference from a wiggly line that is increasing slower than expected and wiggly line that is not increasing at all. A wiggly line that is not increasing indicates the forcing mechanism (solar magnetic cycle modulation of planetary clouds) has saturated. The CO2 forcing mechanism cannot be turned on or off. …. ….Scientists are interesting in understand what is the physical reason for changes and unexplained anomalies, such as the 16 year plateau with no warming or such as the Bond cycles of warming and cooling that captured in the paleo record. The principal concern of an activist as opposed to a scientist is to push an agenda. The fact that Heidi Cullen cannot acknowledge the observational fact that planetary temperature has plateau, stopped increasing supports the assertion that Miss Cullen is an activist first and a scientist second.
William: Miss Cullen, are you aware the planet has warmed and cooled cyclically before and that the cycles correlate to solar magnetic cycle changes? Are you aware the sun has entered a peculiar unexplained minimum? Are you aware that regions that warmed in the last 70 years are the same regions of the planet that have warmed when the solar magnetic cycle was active and that cooled when the solar magnetic cycle entered into a Maunder like minimum?
Miss Cullen, have you seen this graph? Are you aware that the general circulation models used by the IPCC cannot reproduce or explain this graph? Are you aware that solar magnetic cycle change correlate with both the past warming and cooling phase in this graph?
Greenland ice temperature, last 11,000 years determined from ice core analysis, Richard Alley’s paper. http://www.climate4you.com/images/GISP2%20TemperatureSince10700%20BP%20with%20CO2%20from%20EPICA%20DomeC.gif
I have to say, that I wasn’t overly impressed with Pielke Jnr. To me he seemed to be almost crying ‘I’m a warmist but I don’t have the data to support that’? or perhaps, he simply accepts, like most of us – that human co2 is likely to cause some climate effects – but we dont yet know how much?
Whitehouse seemed keen to brush aside Spencers graph and the major point he made – i.e. that it has warmed, but it is not necessarily ALL human co2 emission induced based on the past best estimated RWP and MWP. Without clear and unequivocal explanantion for these past warming and cooling changes – the ‘sole’ CO2 induced warming claims become very dubious.
Poor Heidi, you can see she really doesn’t believe what she’s spouting. Deer in the headlights. The lack of warming over the last 10-15 years is because ” … the warming has gone into other components of our climate system, notably the deep oceans.” Pure Teflon. And Boxer playing the smarmy yenta from Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn. Madam Chairwoman, may we enter in the record Senator Vitter’s and Senator Sessions’ material … “Sure, guys, enter anything you want into the record here, Alice in Wonderland, anything you want.” Very dignified and professional, Babs.
Klem said re: Boxer
“the most biased and partisan that she can be.”
You forgot “stupid idiot”, as in “the most biased and partisan stupid idiot that she can be.”
Listening to her is worse than fingernails on blackboard.
Cheapshot of the day goes to ………….. Senator Whitehouse.
What a Jackass.
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I always love the people who say that the heat has gone to the depths of the ocean (which is conveniently a place we can’t measure with any precision whatsoever) but then attribute “extreme weather” of the last 10 years to the warming that is hiding out at the bottom of the ocean.
“I thought it would be all over the news.”
No mention of it here in Oz.
@Mark Bofil
“It’s sort of frightening to me, to see exactly how thick our elected government representatives are. I mean, of course we all know this abstractly, but to see those geniuses in action…”
Remember that these people need to get the votes of the Homer Simpsons to stay in office. And yes, it is scary to see it in the raw.