From the University of Washington some walkback?

In the last few decades, glaciers at the edge of the icy continent of Antarctica have been thinning, and research has shown the rate of thinning has accelerated and contributed significantly to sea level rise.
New ice core research suggests that, while the changes are dramatic, they cannot be attributed with confidence to human-caused global warming, said Eric Steig, a University of Washington professor of Earth and space sciences.
Previous work by Steig has shown that rapid thinning of Antarctic glaciers was accompanied by rapid warming and changes in atmospheric circulation near the coast. His research with Qinghua Ding, a UW research associate, showed that the majority of Antarctic warming came during the 1990s in response to El Niño conditions in the tropical Pacific Ocean.
Their new research suggests the ’90s were not greatly different from some other decades – such as the 1830s and 1940s – that also showed marked temperature spikes.
“If we could look back at this region of Antarctica in the 1940s and 1830s, we would find that the regional climate would look a lot like it does today, and I think we also would find the glaciers retreating much as they are today,” said Steig, lead author of a paper on the findings published online April 14 in Nature Geoscience.
The researchers’ results are based on their analysis of a new ice core from the West Antarctic Ice Sheet Divide that goes back 2,000 years, along with a number of other ice core records going back about 200 years. They found that during that time there were several decades that exhibited similar climate patterns as the 1990s.
The most prominent of these in the last 200 years – the 1940s and the 1830s – were also periods of unusual El Niño activity like the 1990s. The implication, Steig said, is that rapid ice loss from Antarctica observed in the last few decades, particularly the ’90s, “may not be all that unusual.”
The same is not true for the Antarctic Peninsula, the part of the continent closer to South America, where rapid ice loss has been even more dramatic and where the changes are almost certainly a result of human-caused warming, Steig said.
But in the area where the new research was focused, the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, it is more difficult to detect the evidence of human-caused climate change. While changes in recent decades have been unusual and at the “upper bound of normal,” Steig said, they cannot be considered exceptional.
“The magnitude of unforced natural variability is very big in this area,” Steig said, “and that actually prevents us from answering the questions, ‘Is what we have been observing exceptional? Is this going to continue?'”
He said what happens to the West Antarctic Ice Sheet in the next few decades will depend greatly on what happens in the tropics.
The West Antarctic Ice Sheet is made up of layers of ice, greatly compressed, that correspond with a given year’s precipitation. Similar to tree rings, evidence preserved in each layer of ice can provide climate information for a specific time in the past at the site where the ice core was taken.
In this case, the researchers detected elevated levels of the isotope oxygen 18 in comparison with the more commonly found oxygen 16. Higher levels of oxygen 18 generally indicate higher air temperatures.
Levels of oxygen 18 in ice core samples from the 1990s were more elevated than for any other time in the last 200 years, but were very similar to levels reached during some earlier decades.
The work was funded by the National Science Foundation Office of Polar Programs.
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One has to wonder if anything that the climate change science has claimed is robust enough to stand scrutiny under the standards employed in virtually all other disciplines?
I work as a project manager and know for a fact that my Use Case has to be perfect before receiving the go ahead to start implementing. I also have to provide a huge amount of supporting data which is scrutinised by any interested party before receiving the final sign off, yet in climate change papers……no checks and balances.
So despite his research that shows the contrary, he still believes in AGW.
In the last few decades, glaciers at the edge of the icy continent of Antarctica have been thinning, and research has shown the rate of thinning has accelerated and contributed significantly to sea level rise.
I thought there was nothing unusual about the rate of sea level rise and if anything it was slower recently.
The same is not true for the Antarctic Peninsula, the part of the continent closer to South America, where rapid ice loss has been even more dramatic and where the changes are almost certainly a result of human-caused warming, Steig said.
And exactly what is the evidence or does he just know that has to be the case?
Who would have thunk it?…
…more and more things are becoming normal
..and since when did sea level rise accelerate?
The same is not true for the Antarctic Peninsula, … where the changes are almost certainly a result of human-caused warming, Steig said.
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Co-incidentally, this is the part of Antarctica where the most humans are located. Pumping out energy to try and stay warm. Are we seeing another case of frogs infected by researchers, mistakenly blamed on global warming?
Shut down your generators and heaters in Antarctica and see what happens. Pretty safe bet temperatures in the camps will plummet.
This is strictly a question. Ok, I recognize that that was a very stupid sentence to precede a question with, so let’s say we forget that I typed that. Anyway, has anybody ever done salinity measurements in that region and then kept an ongoing record comparing any changes to salinity in that region to salinity in the more open ocean. If the ice was melting at an unusual rate and contributing to sea level rise one might expect the salinity in that immediate region to be dropping particularly quickly relative to the more general ocean.
Levels of oxygen 18 in ice core samples from the 1990s were more elevated than for any other time in the last 200 years, but were very similar to levels reached during some earlier decades.
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So, the LIA was cold, we know that. So the 1990’s were not unusual in comparison to the past. Everyone except The Team and the IPCC knew that as well. This looks like a case of infinite ability to state the bleeding obvious.
ferdberple says:
April 15, 2013 at 8:08 am
The same is not true for the Antarctic Peninsula, … where the changes are almost certainly a result of human-caused warming, Steig said.
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Co-incidentally, this is the part of Antarctica where the most humans are located. Pumping out energy to try and stay warm. Are we seeing another case of frogs infected by researchers, mistakenly blamed on global warming?
Also as pointed out on this board only 5 years ago… There are active volcanoes all the way along the Antarctic Peninsula.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/22/surprise-theres-an-active-volcano-under-antarctic-ice/
Meanwhile . . . add the Arctic and Antarctic sea ice anomalies and we get +608,000 sq.km. more sea ice than the benchmark (1979-2000 mean). The Antarctic is well above the mean, and the Arctic is within 1SD of the mean. Didn’t Al Gore predict that the Arctic would be ice-free in the summer of 2015? I need to reconnect with a few folks and prepare to collect on some bets.
Looks like climate normal is the New Normal. The Alarmists, being somewhat slow, and currently in a state of d—al will continue on, in zombie-like fashion, of course.
The big mystery is why he claims the warming in the peninsula was human-generated.
Chuck says: So despite his research that shows the contrary, he still believes in AGW.
He believes that others believe that “Global Warming” is true. Others believe that he believes that “global warming” is true, because he believes that they believe that his belief that they believe is enough for him to say that he believes thus enforcing the belief of others that their belief is based on his belief.
Having had the ‘magic’ one tree the data from which can be used to cover the whole world . we now have the ‘magic’ one bore whole whose data can be used to cover the whole of the Antarctica.
Still at least it not ‘models’ this time , but given its Steig ,who has gone ‘all-in’ for the ’cause ‘ ,was there any other result possible than ‘its worst then we thought ‘.
Based upon measurements of soil radioactivity, the East Antarctic Ice Sheet has been stable for about 3300 years, ie since the Minoan Warm Period. The earth has been in a cooling trend since then, headed out of the current interglacial toward another glacial phase. Each succeeding peak of warmth has been cooler (Roman, Medieval & Modern Warm Periods) & each trough colder (Old Testament, Dark Ages & Little Ice Age Cold Periods).
Here’s a recent study arguing for a climatic explanation of the collapse of Minoan civilization, based on ENSO proxies:
http://www.clim-past.net/6/525/2010/cp-6-525-2010.pdf
Thinning of sea ice in the Arctic and the Antarctic Peninsular is doubtless due to mankind – so get the scientists, explorers, tourists, military, trophy hunters, ice-breakers and record breakers off the ice asap!!
‘Chuck says:
April 15, 2013 at 7:55
So despite his research that shows the contrary, he still believes in AGW.
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The research says nothing about the truth of AGW.
In a nutshell. here is the theory.
1. GHGs cause warming not cooling.
2. Humans are putting more GHGs into the atmosphere.
3. Over time the planet will warm, all other things being equal.
Now, at its core the science says nothing about Ice in antarctica does it? At its core the science says nothing about whether it was warmer in the past or cooler. At its core, nothing you can find in antarctica can challenge it.
Upon this core of the science, however, some folks have built some shakey arguments, particulary arguments about how fast it will warm or how fast it has warmed.
Pieter F. says:
April 15, 2013 at 8:24 am
Meanwhile . . . add the Arctic and Antarctic sea ice anomalies and we get +608,000 sq.km. more sea ice than the benchmark (1979-2000 mean). The Antarctic is well above the mean, and the Arctic is within 1SD of the mean. Didn’t Al Gore predict that the Arctic would be ice-free in the summer of 2015? I need to reconnect with a few folks and prepare to collect on some bets.
I wouldn’t be too eager to contact them were I you, since if you betted against the Arctic sea being ice free by then you’ll probably lose!
Why is any so-called “climate research” still being done by the Warmists? It’s always the same result. It’s like asking the old question, “Do bears do you know what in the woods?” And then pay armies of researchers to go around the woods with scoops to get the exact same result.
I suppose he feels he is risking his research grant by “dis-proving” global warming as a factor in the ice melt – thus the “yes – but I still believe so can I keep my grant money please?” statement.
Stephan Mosher let me help you out.
1. GHG’s cause warming in the lower atmosphere and cooling in the upper atmosphere.
2. Humans are putting more GHG’s into the atmosphere.
3. Over time the planets steady state temperature will stay the same, all other things being equal.
See how easy that was : )
Not that I believe that AGW is significant, but I keep seeing a debate whether the rate of sea level rise is increasing or not. I would think that any change in sea level, regardless of an increase or a decrease in rate of rise is still an increase in sea level, and must be the result of some cause. There is no background rate of rise.
Any comments?
The Antarctic Peninsula is particularly sensitive to small changes in waves 3 and 1, since it reaches relatively far northwards. Such a small change has taken place at least since the IGY and has nothing to do with CO2.
Steven Mosher says:April 15, 2013 at 8:49 am
3. Over time the planet will warm, all other things being equal.
We know things are not equal over time, and certainly not all of them simultaneously, so #3 is moot.
I cannot keep all this contractive info straight.
What happen to the observation that the East Antarctica ice sheets are growing?
http://www.co2science.org/articles/V16/N15/EDIT.php
And this is from a so called “alarmist” site!
And the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is warmer than ever?
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-01/nsf-pot010313.php
I can certainly relate with people choosing a side and digging their heels in.
Allencic said:
April 15, 2013 at 8:59 am
Why is any so-called “climate research” still being done by the Warmists? It’s always the same result. It’s like asking the old question, “Do bears do you know what in the woods?” And then pay armies of researchers to go around the woods with scoops to get the exact same result.
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Except that bears and their byproducts are real.
Acceleration of snow melt in an Antarctic Peninsula ice core during the twentieth century.