A Layman's Paper: Pneumatic Effects on Thermohaline Flow

Guest post by Caleb Shaw

Possible links between thermohaline circulation and the ENSO cycle were suggested by Bill Grey as early as the late 1970’s.

I became interested in this linkage when I learned Gore and Hansen, (who at that time were not deemed laughable and wielded considerable influence,) urged that Bill Grey’s applications for funding to study the linkage be torpedoed. (“Stick to hurricanes, Bill.”) I decided anything worth going to that length to suppress must be worth investigation.

One of the greatest withdrawals from the deep sea’s bank of cold water occurs off the west Coast of South America during La Ninas. This upwelling would seem to necessitate the deep sea’s bank of cold water be replenished in that area, and a deep sea current exist to do the replenishing.

Inexplicably, Wikipedia shows no such current, and in fact shows thermohaline currents go to great lengths to avoid the west coast of South America.

This further whetted my interest, as I have the cynical belief that, in matters of climate, when Wikipedia states there is no linkage, there probably is a linkage.

Besides withdrawals (up-wellings) to the deep sea’s bank of cold water, there must be deposits, (down-wellings,) and these occur in polar regions.

Because Antactica is completely surrounded by a circle of howling winds and surging currents, a great deal of mixing occurs, and down-welling is liable to be erratically located and of irregular volumes. A complete and thorough study of Antarctic down-welling would involve vast sums, sturdy equipment, and scientists hot-blooded and insane enough to work in the world’s coldest and roughest waters.  As I lack all three of these requirements, for the purposes of this paper I intend to do the scientifically reprehensible thing:  I’ll ignore Antarctic down-welling altogether, and focus on the calmer Arctic.

My understanding is that, when ice melts, the relatively fresh water floats on top of polar seas.  Therefore it can only be during times when ice refreezes that the relatively briney water created is injected downwards into the Thermohaline flow.

It follows that injections into the thermohaline circulation occur as a seasonal pulse, rather than in a steady manner all year long.  As I could find no word for such a pulse, I have created the acronym “WHADUP,”  (which stands for, “Wicked Huge Arctic Down-welling Undersea Pulse.”)

It is interesting to note that, just when the WHADUP occurs in the Arctic, the La Nina tends to get stronger off the coast of South America.

It therefore becomes necessary to invent a mechanism that explains the linkage.

The thermohaline circulation itself moves at a snail’s pace. Even if I had the WHADUP speed up the flow, (like a river in flood,) it would take hundreds of years for a WHADUP to reach South America. So I rejected that mechanism.

A better idea involved creating a wave in the thermocline.  In this scenario the WHADUP would lift the thermocline in the form of a gradual wave.  When this wave reached a place where the thermocline was close to the surface, such as the west coast of South America, the uplift of the top of the thermocline would manifest as an upwelling.

I still like this idea, but getting the wave around the tip of South America presented problems. Also having a wave in the thermocline, without a reflective wave at the surface, involved moving large amounts of water between the surface and the thermocline, and perhaps even the turbulent destruction of the thermocline itself. Lastly, a wave wasn’t fast enough.  I needed something immediate.

It was at this point I hit upon the idea of a pneumatic effect. After all, pneumatics allow us to touch our brake pedal, and to immediately have brakes grab in our distant rear wheels. Why couldn’t the WHADUP be like pressure downwards on brakes, and the simultaneous increase in La Nina upwelling be like distant brakes grabbing?

The answer, or course, is that a brake line is rigid and the thermocline is not.

However I then began to wonder exactly how rigid the thermocline is. To create even an inch-high wave in it, without a reflective wave at the surface, would involve displacing megatons and megatons of water.  What if the sheer weight of the water above made the thermocline semi-rigid? Could any pneumatic effect exist? Even if 99.9% of the pneumatic effect was lost, distorting the thermocline, might not 0.1% getting through be enough to increase upwelling off the coast of South America?

At this point it became obvious that I needed grant money, in order to study the pneumatics of semi-rigid systems.

I needed to build a huge glass tank, and to create an observable “thermocline” by purchasing a vast amount of transparent, yellow oil, which would float above water tinted blue with food coloring.  I also needed a large staff of Scandinavian blonds, a new computer, a geek who knew how to run it, and maybe even a scientist or two who could figure out how the heck to inject pneumatic pressure down on one side, and measure if there was any pneumatic change on the far side.

But where to get the funding?

I figured I might interest George Soros, if I could spin my study to show greater arctic melt meant a greater refreeze, greater WHADUP, and greater La Nina, and that this might “mask” Global Warming.  Alas, George Soros sent me no money.

I then figured that, with a different spin, I might interest Big Oil, by showing that melting Arctic ice might cause greater La Ninas, and lead to Global Cooling.  Alas, Big Oil sent me no money.

I had to keep my day job.

I found this very depressing.  (I was really looking forward to the staff of Scandinavian blonds, not to mention trips to Bali and Cancun.)

However true Science is not to be denied. It was while sitting dejected that I looked over at my bathroom sink and noticed a tube of toothpaste.  In a flash it hit me:  I might not be able to interest Big Oil, but I could interest Big Toothpaste, if only I could convince the readership of WUWT to conduct the following experiment:

Take a tube of toothpaste and, when your spouse isn’t looking, squirt at least half of the paste into the trash.  In this manner you have created a semi-rigid pneumatic system, a system that lacks the complete rigidity of a brake line.

At this point the tube’s skin is a surface that gives with some resistance, like the thermocline. By squeezing at various places on the tube your fingers are like the WHADUP, pressing down megatons of brine.  As you press, observe the mouth of the tube, which represents upwelling off the coast of South America. (Don’t forget to remove the cap.)  Observe whether a pneumatic effect far away has any effect on the paste at the tube’s mouth.

What I observed was that the pneumatic effect was largely spent distorting the skin of the tube, but sometimes the paste did bulge out.  (On one occasion the paste counter-intuitively sucked in, but I threw that observation out as an “outlier,” because I understand that is proper procedure for Climatologists.)

I rest my case.  The pneumatic effect of a WHADUP in the Arctic can immediately effect far reaches of the earth, and increase La Ninas.

I would like to thank Hansen and Gore for helping me write this paper.  If they had not torpedoed Grey’s efforts to study thermohaline circulation and the thermocline with, “Sick to hurricanes, Bill,” papers such as this one could not be written.  Only through their tireless efforts to pressure scientists has over a quarter century been spent adjusting, readjusting, and re-readjusting old and stale temperature data, without gaining new and fresh insights and data about mysterious deep-sea depths.  Indeed that pressure is more important than pneumatic pressure, for had people said, “Stick to Venus, Hanson,” and “Stick to politics, Gore,” science would be in a totally different state.

Short summary: A humorous paper written using a mock-heroic tone of voice and quasi-serious style,  intended to poke fun at the current nature of scientific thought, and hopefully to also get people thinking and commenting about thermohaline circulation.

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KingOchaos
September 18, 2011 9:10 pm

LOL, that was the most entertaining climate thingy ive come across in a while!
Of course tidal waves work via a similiar principle, where energy is transmitted molecule to molecule, enabling the tsunami to travel at close to the speed of sound across deep water, and it only as the water strats to shallow, the energy is concentrated by the sea floor pushing up concentrating the energy into a wave.

Richard Hill
September 18, 2011 9:11 pm

Caleb, You must drive a truck with air brakes, most cars these days have hydraulic brakes. The effect that you are surmising would be better summarised as Hydraulic…. But, but, but, there could be pneumatic effects of the changes in atmospheric pressure from the Nino Nina changes reflecting into the deep ocean.

Peter Sørensen
September 18, 2011 9:15 pm

You could probably do some simple hydraulic calculations involving the compressibility of water and the amount of downwelling in the arctic and if that could result in a upwelling on the other side of the earth. Just imagine a tube a couple of thousand kilometers long and what would happen if you ad water at one end of the tube. Remember however that at such vast distances compresibility of water and time changes the results.

Spector
September 18, 2011 9:15 pm

The thing that I notice about this circulation is that it runs all the way up to Greenland on the east coast of America, but it refuses to follow the east coast of China at all. It is almost like there was some strong northward flow in the Atlantic, which is replaced by a southerly flow in the Pacific.

September 18, 2011 9:16 pm

What, the sloshing of warm water back and forth between Japan and Peru isn’t enough for you? But you may have a point. If there’s no current off the west coast of SA, the water must be awful stale.

Editor
September 18, 2011 9:17 pm

Here’s some background on Earth’s Thermohaline Circulation;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermohaline_circulation
http://www.cmar.csiro.au/currents/global/CSIRO_Conveyor_Oceans_M.wmv
NASA’s Ocean Motion page offers some good insights;
http://oceanmotion.org/html/impact/conveyor.htm
as does this page;
http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/Water/deep_ocean.html
this page;
http://www.womenoceanographers.org/Default.aspx?pid=28EF75D5-D130-46c0-947E-5CCBC627B0EE&id=AmyBower
and on this page;
http://web.deu.edu.tr/atiksu/toprak/ani4083.html
these visualizations were helpful;
http://web.deu.edu.tr/atiksu/toprak/den41.gif
http://web.deu.edu.tr/atiksu/toprak/den40.gif
http://web.deu.edu.tr/atiksu/toprak/den39.gif
This map shows where cold ocean water is sinking;
http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/&/&/bbc12/gulf_stream.gif
this one shows where heat is released to the atmosphere
http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/Water/images/thermohaline_circulation_conveyor_belt_big.gif
and this animation is helpful in visualizing the process:
http://www.whoi.edu/oceanus/viewVideo.do?fileid=46592&id=32693
In addition to temperature and salinity Earth’s rotation comes into play, especially around Antarctica;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Conveyor_belt.svg
which is also called the Antarctic Circumpolar Current;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Circumpolar_Current
and is “the largest ocean current.” “at approximately 125 Sverdrups”. Given that “The entire global input of fresh water from rivers to the ocean is equal to about 1 sverdrup.”;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverdrup
this circulation is of an amazing scale. Also Figure 2 about two third down this page;
http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/Mi-Oc/Ocean-Currents.html
offers another perspective. And this page offers technical insights on the Antarctic Circumpolar Current:
http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/resources/ocng_textbook/chapter13/chapter13_04.htm
These maps seem to indicate an interesting circulation at the North Pole as well:
http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12455&tid=441&cid=47170&ct=61&article=20727
http://www.john-daly.com/polar/flows.jpg
According to this reference “The comparison suggests that the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation has slowed by about 30 per cent between 1957 and 2004.”
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7068/abs/nature04385.html
In this presentation on the Atlantic Meridional overturning circulation, the chart Slide 4 seems to indicate a slight slowdown, but the alignment between data sets appears awful and the resultant divergent predictions laughable:
http://ioc-goos-oopc.org/meetings/oopc-9/presentations/monAM/Bryden_rapid4oopc.pdf
On the other hand, this article from November 29th, 2008 in Nature, is titled, “North Atlantic cold-water sink returns to life – Convective mixing resumes after a decade due to massive loss of Arctic ice.”
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/081129/full/news.2008.1262.html
The claim that it resumed “after a decade due to massive loss of Arctic ice.” seems dubious considering that there does not appear to have been a “massive loss of Arctic Ice”;
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.anomaly.arctic.png
but this article from January 9, 2009;
http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12455&tid=282&cid=54347
also asserts that “One of the “pumps” that helps drive the ocean’s global circulation suddenly switched on again last winter for the first time this decade. The finding surprised scientists who had been wondering if global warming was inhibiting the pump and did not foresee any indications that it would turn back on.
The “pump” in question is in the western North Atlantic Ocean, where pools of cold, dense water form in winter and sink beneath less-dense warmer waters. The sinking water feeds into the lower limb of a global system of currents often described as the Great Ocean Conveyor (View animation (Quicktime)). To replace the down-flowing water, warm surface waters from the tropics are pulled northward along the Conveyor’s upper limb.”
These articles are based upon this paper:
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v2/n1/abs/ngeo382.html
Furthermore, “Satellite measurements of sea levels suggest the moon’s tidal pull plays a once-unrecognized role in lifting cold water from the ocean depths and influencing Earth’s climate.
Data from the U.S.-French TOPEX/POSEIDON satellite, which bounces radar off the oceans to measure sea levels precisely, also may solve the mystery of what happens to all the energy that the moon transfers to Earth by creating ocean tides.
Scientists once thought most of the energy was dissipated by friction as waves and tidal currents drag along shallow coastal sea floors. The new study indicates about three-fourths of the energy indeed is dispersed in that manner.
But the measurements also imply 25 percent to 30 percent of the energy in tides dissipates when deep-ocean tidal currents hit seamounts and mid-ocean ridges, creating turbulent “internal waves” that stir and lift cold bottom water so it mixes with warmer, shallower water. That effectively moves heat away from the sea surface, influencing climate in the overlying atmosphere.
“In the past, people thought wind was the primary agent to mix warm water down into the deep, cold part of the oceans,” said Richard Ray, a geophysicist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland. “Our work suggests tides are equally important.””
(For some reason, the article where this information is from, is no longer available at its source here:
http://www.space.com/science-astronomyplanetearth/tide_energy_000627.html

September 18, 2011 9:30 pm

Great, Caleb!
LOL.
It is a pity about Dr. Grey, we might know a lot more now.
Gore and Hansen have been going at it for much too long now.

ferd berple
September 18, 2011 9:32 pm

What you have there is a WASER. The differing density of the circulation versus the surrounding water serves to reflect the pressure wave from the Arctic back into the stream until it pops out as cold water off South America.
Don’t blame Wikipedia if they don’t know about the cold current off South America. It isn’t like climate scientists actually get out on the oceans and study what is happening. Much too busy attending taxpayer funded climate modelling conferences, where Real Climate is discussed by Real Scientists. Observation went out of style years ago along with the Dodo bird. Much easier to cook up whatever you want on the computer and twice as accurate.

edbarbar
September 18, 2011 9:38 pm

Well, what can I say. Very well written (both understandable, as well as humorous). Thanks for taking the time! (Naturally, though, we all know climate science is settled, as so many things have been in the past).
Cheers! Ed

Jens Bagh
September 18, 2011 9:41 pm

What happened to the Humboldt Current in your illustration?
Jens Bagh

September 18, 2011 9:46 pm

Hilarious.
Couple of questions?
1. Can I use a computer model of the toothpaste? Or is the experiment only valid using actual toothpaste?
2. If actual toothpaste must be used, is this the purpose of the Scandinavian blondes? To squeezwe the toothpaste? Is there any possible way to substitute Irish red heads with green eyes?
3. If computer models of the toothpaste are used, must the Scandinavian blondes also be computerized models? Or will it be OK to mix actual Scandinavian models with computerized toothpaste models?
4. If both computer models and actual toothpaste are allowed, will there be a nomenclature to identify which branch of investigation is being referenced in any given instance? Say…SBT (Spencer Braswell Toothpaste) or TTT (Travesty Trenberth Toothpaste).
5. What about white paint as a substitute for toothpaste? By painting teeth white, things like cavities and tooth decay can be hidden. HDT (Hide the Decline Toothpaste).
Very, very funny Caleb. One more question, this one serious.
What if you’re right?

kim;)
September 18, 2011 10:05 pm

Ha Ha Ha Ha….I LOVED this and davidmhoffer post, as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kim;)
September 18, 2011 10:15 pm

“Inexplicably, Wikipedia shows no such current, and in fact shows thermohaline currents go to great lengths to avoid the west coast of South America.
This further whetted my interest, as I have the cynical belief that, in matters of climate, when Wikipedia states there is no linkage, there probably is a linkage.”
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Priceless!!! 🙂

phlogiston
September 19, 2011 12:22 am

Brilliant, thanks Caleb. As the Russians say, in every joke a little bit is joke and the rest is true.
It is hard to imagine that significant oceanic upwelling such as that off the Peruvian coast does not link directly to the global THC. It is also not hard to understand why the AGW climate establishment would feel the need to sweep the THC under the carpet, since it offers a mechanism for multidecadal and century (even millenial) scale climatic heat budget variation separate from CO2.
It is well established that at the heart of ENSO is the intermittent positive feedback between Peruvian upwelling and trade winds that is the Bjerknes feedback.
http://stratus.astr.ucl.ac.be/textbook/chapter5_node4.xml
Thus variations in THC can and probably do influence the ENSO.
Perhaps the pulsatile “WHADUP” downwelling represents periodic forcing of the THC as a nonlinear oscillator, with the ENSO being one of the emergent periodicities resulting from the forcing. Like the wave pattterns induced in corn starch by vibrating the container:

September 19, 2011 12:50 am

RE: davidmhoffer says:
September 18, 2011 at 9:46 pm
“….Very, very funny Caleb. One more question, this one serious.
What if you’re right?”
Blind squirrels do get nuts, on occation. However my usual experience is to come up with an idea that seems brilliant, and to bring it to my older brother, who is a scientist and is far more disciplined, when it comes to scientific thought. He very politely informs me where I am mistaken.
I nod, and go back to my day job.
However, if I had a new computer and a staff of Scandavavian blonds….

September 19, 2011 1:12 am

In the thermohaline flow diagram it looks like the stripes in the toothpaste are behaving chaotically. I think you may be onto something here.

September 19, 2011 1:13 am

The possibility of a solar annual tidal effect as well as a lunar declinational tidal effect, or the interaction of the two being the mechanism for the displacement of the Antarctic down welling current showing up as the surge in the Humboldt upwelling, needs to be considered as a viable alternative. (I would need at least two Brazilian babes to help me with that, just to keep me warm in all that cold water.)

crosspatch
September 19, 2011 1:23 am

It would seem to me that if arctic refreezing resulting in downwelling of briny water, then antarctic freezing recently with record high icepack would cause downwelling of briny water there, too.
So if we are having a lot of water getting pretty cold and sinking, it stands to reason it should pop up somewhere. But the upwelling is going to be due to trade winds. But it still stands that the upwelled water will have to be replaced by water coming from somewhere.

Michael Schaefer
September 19, 2011 1:46 am

I’d like to add two links on Arctic currents, which might be of interest in this context:
http://polardiscovery.whoi.edu/arctic/circulation.html
and
http://www.jeanlouisetienne.com/en/images/encyclo/imprimer/18.htm (Scoll down for picture – very detailled french map)
Keep up the good job.
Michael

Claude Harvey
September 19, 2011 1:56 am

Now that Mr. Shaw has inspired my own frenzied voyage of discovery, my petulant wife is complaining about the “tube” situation. When I ran out of toothpaste, I discovered that most all of the tube-packaged products in her extensive cosmetics collection were equally suitable for my experiments. The woman has no appreciation for the scientific quest. Divining mysteries of the deep can be a lonely business.

A. C. Osborn
September 19, 2011 2:59 am

Re davidmhoffer says: September 18, 2011 at 9:46 pm
2. If actual toothpaste must be used, is this the purpose of the Scandinavian blondes? To squeezwe the toothpaste?
I think the Blondes are to squeeze Caleb, not the toothpaste.

September 19, 2011 3:06 am

Caleb,
Your essay is food for thought. A great piece of work.
You said, “This further whetted my interest, as I have the cynical belief that, in matters of climate, when Wikipedia states there is no linkage, there probably is a linkage.”
That’s not being cynical. Seems more like experience and healthy skepticism to me.
Robin

eyesonu
September 19, 2011 4:01 am

phlogiston says:
September 19, 2011 at 12:22 am
Brilliant, thanks Caleb. As the Russians say, in every joke a little bit is joke and the rest is true.
—————-
I have never heard that one before, but thinking about it a moment, it seems to support a lot of my observations.

tallbloke
September 19, 2011 4:38 am

Richard Holle says:
September 19, 2011 at 1:13 am
The possibility of a solar annual tidal effect as well as a lunar declinational tidal effect, or the interaction of the two being the mechanism for the displacement of the Antarctic down welling current showing up as the surge in the Humboldt upwelling, needs to be considered as a viable alternative.

http://ansatte.hials.no/hy/climate/defaultEng.htm
Yndestad says:
“ In this analysis we may understand the forced gravitation oscillation between the earth, sun and the moon as a forced coupled oscillation system to the earth. The tide and the earth rotation responds as a non-linear coupled oscillation to the forced gravity periods from the moon and the sun. This is a complex oscillation in periods between hours and thousands of years. The forced gravitation introduces a tidal mixing in the Atlantic Ocean. This tidal mixing introduces temperature and salinity fluctuations that influences climate and the eco system.”
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/the-moon-is-linked-to-long-term-atlantic-changes/

tallbloke
September 19, 2011 4:51 am

Through experimental work I found that water is very good at finding the most efficient way to shift energy from one place to another in order to maximise heat loss. As the input of energy to the oceans changes in locale and intensity (due mostly to cloud changes), so the flows will change.
ENSO is the most obvious perturbation, and it’s average period of around five years possibly matches a half period of interactions between the lunar and solar periods of 9.3 and 10.3-12 year.
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/the-moon-is-linked-to-long-term-atlantic-changes/
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/06/12/the-timing-of-el-nino-in-relation-to-the-solar-cycle/
Independent researcher ‘Bart’ recently found a period of 4.88 years in the impulse response time of cloud to temperature change.
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/09/11/bart-cloud-feedback-is-negative-ocean-response-is-around-4-88-years/
There is more in heaven and earth than is dreamp’t of in your philosphy, Trenberth.