The death spiral of PM Julia Gillard and the Labor Party in Australia continues, and it has been pretty much a sealed fate thanks to one nameless woman in gift shop where Gillard got cornered, and this lady stood up to not only Gillard, but a member of Parliament. According to Andrew Bolt at the Herald Sun, this video has been been getting wide circulation on TV networks, or as he says “…every TV bulletin ran this”.
Watch this lady take down the whole Gillard carbon tax scheme in just a few minutes. I love the way she shuts down the assistant Graeme Perrett, Member of Parliament. Video follows:
And it gets worse. Bolt writes on his blog:
The public has spoken and it’s over
Julia Gillard kept her cool admirably at the people’s forum in Brisbane last night, yet the whole thing was a disaster for her. No Labor MP watching could conclude that the party has a hope under a woman so distrusted.
Yeah, lies like a lawyer, doesn’t she?
But it was Brisbane.. wasn’t that Kevin Rudd’s mum?
Does Pinocchio come to mind?
“When you start telling the truth I’ll listen to you.”
Nice one.
Regarding the videos, Gillard’s responses are typical politician baloney. Are you sure she is not from the US?
The “assistant” is Graeme Perrett, Member of Parliament. If he chose to, he could vote against the carbon tax and that would be the end of it.
This is turning into a horse race.
Will Gillard or Obama suffer a total meltdown first. The pressure is mounting on both and neither is handling it very well. I think Obama is closer to it than she is, but Gillard is in public a lot more….
Where is the smart money on this one?
Yes, but people at the lower end of the income scale (i.e. most of them) are going to be significantly overcompensated for the carbon tax. In two years the opposition leader is going to say to most of the electorate “You know that extra spending money you’ve got in your pocket? Well vote for me and I’ll take it off you”. That’s sure to go down well.
The next Australian election is not a foregone conclusion.
What a condescending simpleton. She hasn’t a clue. Someone said “pigheaded” a while back to describe Ms. Gillard. Certain one-celled organisms are more useful. How she reaches out and touches the lady…watch the reaction…”get your hands off me!”
Brrrrr-rrr.
Stealth tax, scam. Cash grab.
That’s all it’s ever been about.
Julia Gillard’s Strategy: “If I can take your money and give it to some illiterate who will vote for, life will be perfect for my Party.”
She probably thinks she is gracing the lady with her touch. I’d pull a muscle recoiling from that touch. Who presents the Order of Austrialia? Don’t know if I’d want one if this woman does the presenting.
Awesome.
Really awesome.
Some time ago I drew a parallel between Gillard and Juan Peron. They are two leaders connected not just by their constant mismanagement, but by an ability to say something loudly and publicly, then deny they ever said it just as loudly and publicly. Gillard has been stupendously successful on a number of occasions.
Once she was supposed to be addressing the nation without notes. When a lucky camera caught sight of the notes being placed in front of her, her minders explained that the notes were for reference, not for reading. She got away with it.
When she was shadow health minister, she accidentally sent a text to her opposite number, health minister Tony Abbott, containing a confession that she found her portfolio bewildering. The cover-up she contrived for that was extraordinary, and involved an arranged radio interview where she claimed that the text was a prank. (Very honorably, Abbott had not tried to use the misdirected text against her, so the interview was a just-in-case.)
Her fudging over her affair with a married front-bench colleague would have made Peron envious.
And now the tax lie. If West Oz carries out its threat to secede, we could always join Argentina. Though I think they’ve had enough Perons.
She has that stunned, somewhat hopeless, yet smug look on her face that says she won’t be getting through the next election, but she has to hold the party line…but she’ll be okay…she’s got that golden parliamentary parachute that more than counteracts any impact her tax will have on her personal finances. Unlike most other Australians.
I don’t know how they do it. Land values are through the roof. The baby boomers (majority of the land owners) are well into the swing of retirement. Young families can’t get a look in on home ownership without selling their first born to the banks. And Julia wants to impose more taxes. Do Australians (and I’m one) realize the train is going so fast that one rickety bridge is all it will take and the whole lot will plummet over?
Gillard sure has a thick hide.
As for whether she or Obama implodes first? My money goes on Obama – his threatening of pensioners was the kind of trick I would have expected from Pelosi (and you might remember what happened to her in the last round of elections here in the US).
Stephen Harper and the Income Trust Tax…
This Gillard is a snake… carbon pollution… LOL
Woah. “Why did you lie to us?”
Short answer? Julia Gillard is a professional politician in a popular democracy, where the votes of gullible fools are precisely equal to those of thinking, skeptical, scientifically literate citizens.
You get the votes of gullible fools by lying to them.
To paraphrase the character of Col. Nathan R. Jessep, “They can’t handle the truth!.”
And so, madam, that’s why Julia Gillard lied to you.
to John Kehr says:
July 13, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Julia has a heart of stone. It won’t be her that cracks first.
There is a very simple solution to the carbon tax debate we are having in Australia.
And this is : Only those who voted green should have to pay it.
Then everyone is happy.
Those values that guard her every day are… pretty rotten.
In the former USSR she would have a better chance.
Good for that sweet, polite little old lady! I’m glad that was caught on video. Hope it goes viral!
Gillard has the same professional 10W-30W oily veneer as Obama.
‘I’m not a socilaist but I do believe in wealth redistribution…. ‘ They just get there by different paths.
Same snake oil… different hemisphere
She’s there to carry out the extremely unpopular and illogical policy of the social engineer globalists. It’s impossible for her not to be a liar. Evil is out in the open for all to see now.
Look out for the side profile shot of Ms Gillard, and watch her nose grow with each waggle of her head. Serious!
Read the Australian Treasurer’s report, the state plainly the carbon tax will go up every year, to a maximum of $62 dollars. The carbon tax is designed to make it so expensive to use energy that regular folks can’t use so much. They are going to force Australians to live like a third world nation. Is this what the Australian people have worked and strived for all the years of this great countries history. Is this the life you want to leave for the children of Australia? Do you believe that the government will provide those subsidies forever? On Gillard’s word?
How more egalitarian can this Julia Gillard wench get? She actually thinks that limiting carbon from AUSTRALIA is actually going to make an impact on the world’s CLIMATE?? Who on earth is this woman’s science advisor?? Or does she even have one?? Laughable, I say! Laughable!!
Doesn’t she realize all the CO2 from Australia is blown out to sea and by the time it comes back around in the atmospheric rotation, it’s so dilute her carbon cap would make essentially no difference? Again, laughable!
I love it! I just wish Obama’s appearances in public were as unscripted. From what I hear nothing is left to chance-the voters questions ahead of time are pre-screened.
I read in one of Australia’s newspapers that $4 billion a year was going to be spent (transferred) overseas each year by the buying carbon credits from other nations.
I find this interesting because policy-makers have repeatedly said there needs to be redistribution of wealth both within and between nations. This is simply the “between nations” part of global wealth redistribution tied to AGW. I also read that the Australian government was going to give part of this carbon tax money to people who will have a hard time with the higher energy prices. This is the “within countries” part.
I also noticed that in the first year of this scheme, it will add 0.7% to the CPI of Australia. 0.7% is also what the NIEO called for back in the 70’s as payment from developed countries for development programs in developing countries.
As far as I’m concerned, AGW is not about AGW but about a way to implement parts of the NIEO that fizzled out in the 80’s.
A betrayal of the first magnitude!
The Australian Government and Labor party is now on a deathwatch, due to self-inflicted wounds!
Watch peoples standard of living nosedive. Watch industry and manufacturing flee this poor broken country thanks to the lunatics running the country.
PM JULIAR (THERE WON’T BE A CARBON TAX) Gillard may ram this hateful CO2 ETS/tax through but is spells the end of the Labor government, the slimy backstabbing independents and the greens in the next election.
Maybe they can join the farting climate destroying Camels out in the lonely never never land in the back 40. Because they won’t see anymore political power or deserve trust for the following 20 years after that, if they’re lucky.
Peter Kerr, Perth West Australia you said on July 13, 2011 at 7:23 pm
Yes, but people at the lower end of the income scale (i.e. most of them) are going to be significantly overcompensated for the carbon tax. In two years the opposition leader is going to say to most of the electorate “You know that extra spending money you’ve got in your pocket? Well vote for me and I’ll take it off you”. That’s sure to go down well.
The next Australian election is not a foregone conclusion.
UNQUOTE
The latest public opinion poll (Gallacy) found that a clear majority believe that they will be worse off.
It’s an open question at the moment.
Will the offer of over compensation for the carbon dioxide tax will voters over?
Or will they realise that this is just the first installment and what follows will be far worse?
Have you read “the Wisdom of crowds”?
Given enough time I don’t think too many will be easily fooled.
Thanks for posting this. It’s the first I’ve heard of it.
Global warming has too much momentum. In America Sen. Inhofe has been the biggest influence in stopping Cap N Trade. I’d like to think that this blog, and others, have helped too. But President Obama is ignoring legal procedure and is going directly to the EPA, bypassing Congress, and Sen. Inhofe, to enforce carbon regulation with all its fees. Diesel engine truck regulations will affect everyone. Governments are ignoring the good of the people. I hope November 2012 comes soon enough here in America (the next big elections) to save us from what looks like a recession turning into a depression. But I think it’s too late. There could be economic suffering for the American people.
You have to love the Aussies. They don’t take any BS from their politicians.
OT
Only in Australia.
The BBC seems disdainful:
An Austrian atheist has won the right to be shown on his driving-licence photo wearing a pasta strainer as “religious headgear”.
Niko Alm first applied for the licence three years ago after reading that headgear was allowed in official pictures only for confessional reasons.
Mr Alm said the sieve was a requirement of his religion, pastafarianism…. A self-confessed atheist, Mr Alm says he belongs to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, a light-hearted faith whose members call themselves pastafarians.
A medical interview established the self-styled ‘pastafarian’ was mentally fit to drive The group’s website states that “the only dogma allowed in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the rejection of dogma”.
Now, this talk of “religious headgear” and dogma suggests one faith in particular.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14135523
O boy my imagination kicked into overdrive.
Apology’s to Australians everywhere.
It should read:
Only in Austria.
The BBC seems disdainful:
An Austrian atheist has won the right to be shown on his driving-licence photo wearing a pasta strainer as “religious headgear”.
@Peter Kerr, Perth West Australia
The compensation won’t cover the costs of this monster.
Politicians like her are eveywhere. Here we have one who this week argued against allowing a public vote on a boondoggle project she supports even though a poll showed 71% oppostion.
She pulled and read the last line from this Edmund Burke quote without mentioning the rest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Burke
… it ought to be the happiness and glory of a representative to live in the strictest union, the closest correspondence, and the most unreserved communication with his constituents. Their wishes ought to have great weight with him; their opinion, high respect; their business, unremitted attention. It is his duty to sacrifice his repose, his pleasures, his satisfactions, to theirs; and above all, ever, and in all cases, to prefer their interest to his own. But his unbiased opinion, his mature judgment, his enlightened conscience, he ought not to sacrifice to you, to any man, or to any set of men living. These he does not derive from your pleasure; no, nor from the law and the constitution. They are a trust from Providence, for the abuse of which he is deeply answerable. Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion.
One of the greenie channels SBS or ABC is running a campaign for an outfit called 1millionwomen.com or something like that.
The byline is something about women caring enough to save us from climate change!!!
Maybe the excellent Lady in the shop would lead the rest of australian’s women against the Gillard’s green nonsense.
The frightening thing is that she genuinely seems to believe that she hasn’t lied. She appears to have no grasp of the concept as it is commonly understood. She thinks that it was a perfectly reasonable and honest thing to have done, to have told this woman one thing in order to get her vote from her, but then, once the lady has given her vote, to go and do precisely the opposite. She can see nothing wrong in having broken her word, even though she gave that word in order to obtain a powerful, financially remunerative position in public office.
If she did that to the woman in the course of an everyday financial transaction, it would be considered a criminal offense. But she seems to consider that, having done it to the public at large, in order to purchase the power and salary of an elected position as national leader, she has done nothing wrong.
The woman is right though. Gillard made her a promise in order to obtain her vote, then once she had got it, she went back on her word. The lawyer in Gillard may not consider this a lie, but the ordinary, honest voter knows that it is.
Good god. What a narcissistic defense.
What is she defending??
Methinks she protesteth too much.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
unfortunately, when i turned on commercial radio in brisbane this morning, which is where the lady spoke to the PM yesterday, the female presenter was venting about how the PM was violently abused in the street and how shocking it was! fortunately most people had seen the clip and knew better.
the political Opposition is still playing games, saying they will go to an ETS when the rest of the world does, so the fight is not over yet. the Carbon Vultures are already drooling over the prospects of trading thin air, and it’s hard for politicians to disappoint them, as they all desperately need a new Financial Bubble.
meanwhile, back in the real world, the Australian economy is already suffering in many ways, the latest being the big Department stores, tho small retailers are probably suffering even more. shops in my local malls are shutting down on a regular basis and not being replaced:
14 July: SMH: DJs blames Gillard government taxes for profit plunge
“I think the [carbon tax] debate has certainly fuelled a reduction in confidence,” he (David Jones chief executive Paul Zahra ) said.
Mr Zhara said the flood tax, a looming carbon tax and threats of higher interest rates were forcing its shoppers, especially higher income earners, to curtail their spending and essentially go on a shopping strike.
He said people just didn’t “know what else is about to hit them”.
“We are in the eye of the storm, it’s a perfect storm,” he said…
He told journalists that the drop in sales during the fourth quarter was “rapid and unprecedented” as far back as David Jones records go, which was 20 years…http://www.smh.com.au/business/djs-blames-gillard-government-taxes-for-profit-plunge-20110714-1hf97.html
The Red Queen keeps repeating the Big Lie of “Carbon Pollution” many times a sentence in her Addresses to confuse her audience. Someone we dare not mention (hint, Germany, 1930’s) stated the “Big Lie repeated often enough, becomes the Truth”.
Carbon Dioxide is not Carbon as we know, it is the essential ingredient of life. She must be, as we all are, the end product of carbon dioxide processes, unless she claims exemption and belongs to the lowly forms of life that live in the deep, dark, black smokers of the oceans.
Belief in AGW go bye bye:
http://i.min.us/icnj0w.gif
Whats even scarier, is that in the Governments own report is this gem
“In order to reach our pollution target of reducing emissions by 80 per cent on 2000 levels by 2050, Treasury said that 434 million tonnes of carbon abatement would have to be sourced from overseas. ”
Basically we have to purchase our ‘savings’ from overseas. No doubt the carpet baggers and shysters will have a field day. Maybe I can get the CCX to re-open and snaffle some credits at 5c a Tonne?
Two of a kind, Gillard and Obama. Promises always followed by About Face.
Obama is coming unglued. The Social Security hostage dare was inexcusably brutal and genuinely ugly.
The lady reminds me of Clara Peller and her line “Where’s the Beef?”
Only this lady has the Beef, and there’s no way for Gillard or Obama to justify themselves.
Questions unanswered by Gillard include why did you lie to us, how much effect will this have on CO2, how much effect will this have on temperature, why won’t you let the people vote on important issues – such as this –
fot those of this who oppose governmental ineptitude and arrogance – the question is what can we do ?
If this doesn’t qualify for an Aussie recall, nothing would. This woman is an outrage, just like most politicians in the USA.
Penny for the Gill?
Our democracy got to this because we let it.
If she’d stayed in Wales she could probably have kept lying and defrauding the taxpayers and got away with it ‘cos the carbon liars and scammers are still well in control over here…
Same methodology – they don’t debate, they dictate!
I hope no one minds, but I would like to repost this response my father gave to an email sent to him by Julia gillard. I originally posted this in carbon tax mark 4, but towards the life of that thread.
Agnostic says:
July 11, 2011 at 9:20 am
Here is an e-mail my father (a retired project engineer) received from Julia Gillard.
“Dear Colin,
The time has come to move from words to deeds – from a climate change debate to action on climate change.
That’s why I have announced the Government’s plan for a clean energy future.
Under our plan, five hundred big polluters will start paying $23 for every tonne of carbon from 1 July 2012. By 2020 this will cut pollution by 160 million tonnes.
Some of the cost will flow to consumers, which is why we will provide nine in 10 households with permanent tax cuts, pension increases and higher family payments, plus 20 per cent extra for most lower-income households and pensioners.
The carbon price will drive huge investments in clean technologies like solar, wind and geothermal – bringing $100 billion worth by 2050.
Pricing carbon is a big change for our country, so please continue your activism and commitment because it has never been more important.
Keep telling your friends and family about why climate action is so important for our environment and for creating the jobs of tomorrow.
Make sure they get the facts by visiting our cleanenergyfuture.gov.au website where they can find details of the Government’s plan and what it means for them.
Australians are a confident, creative people. Together we can build a brighter future for our nation.
Julia”
Here is his response:
“Dear Julia,
Thank you for your message below. As a self funded retiree I will happily receive whatever allowances your plan provides for me. However, I despair over the way your carbon tax issue has arisen. I guess it’s been driven by your perceived need to reduce Australian emissions of carbon dioxide. I think your conclusions are premature,
I understand your perception that anthropomorphic emissions are causing global warming (AGW). But despite what your advisors say, the SCIENCE IS NOT SETTLED. It never is on any subject. In the case of climate science there is a lot of evidence that global temperatures have stopped rising (despite the continuing rise in CO2 levels) and that the impact of CO2 may not be as severe as the IPCC would have you believe.
Before using the state of knowledge as it is currently known in order to make far reaching policy decisions, you need to carry out Due Diligence studies in order to verify that what you are being told is correct. The level of detail required to execute proper Due Diligence for something as complex as the dynamics of climate change is truly enormous. Peer review is not due diligence. Neither are the IPCC reports. Certainly not the Garnaut reports.
Peer review of published papers is in general a coarse filter to ensure that if the evidence which the paper examines is valid and if the writers have done their sums correctly and if the results appear to make sense and add to the body of human knowledge then it’s OK to publish. Peer reviewers are unpaid experts in the same field as the writers of the paper. They seldom see all the basic data, the computer codes, the corrections, deletions and adjustments, the instrument calibration details, full details of all assumptions, etc, and their judgements are often coloured by their personal prejudices. Also they don’t get to see the experimental equipment and test environments or the actual samples that form the basis for the paper being reviewed. Usually none of this matters because scientific progress is self correcting. If a rocket scientist gets it wrong the rocket may crash or wander off course or fail in some other way. Oh dear, what a shame. Well, we’ll get it right next time round.
Predicting climate change is not rocket science. It’s much, much more difficult. And the consequences of getting it wrong may be much, much more costly. So what do you do, given that there may be something happening that could cause humanity immense harm unless we change something? You conduct proper Due Diligence studies – engineering quality, not academician quality.
You need to get the protagonists – those who claim we have a severe, looming problem – to assemble their best arguments and evidence to support their case. They should only offer papers which have been published with full public disclosure of all the data and computer codes so that the claims made within the paper can be reproduced by others. Then you appoint a Due Diligence Team (DDT) and give it a proper briefing (a Scope of Work). In the commercial world DDTs are usually independent disinterested contractors. They will need to see all of the things that peer reviewers usually don’t see as described above. In fact for proposals which will cost the community billions, the DDT will want to see a lot more. For example, many academic papers cite other previously published papers. These citations may have to be examined too. They will want to see the ‘bad’ data as well as the ‘good’. Also, published papers and other evidence may be invited for positions purporting to be contrary to the protagonists case. There is plenty of evidence which appears to throw doubt on many aspects of the IPCC case for climate change (the politically acceptable expression for AGW) and this will need to be subjected to DDT examination too.
Unlike the authors of the IPCC reports who are nearly all climate scientists, the DDT should comprise physicists, economists, engineers, mathematicians (especially statisticians), geologists, biologists and climate scientists. But no more than 25% of the team should be climate scientists. It’s doubtful if the DDT will ever be able to achieve certainty on any matter but they should be able to come much closer to the truth than has the IPCC.
Contrary to what you may have been told, the IPCC reports comprise the assessment by no more than 40 or 50 climate scientists, of all the published papers that in their opinion support in some way, climate change outside the realm of natural variation. Reviewers of each chapter in the reports were not permitted to see data which was not expressly provided in the relevant papers. In fact one reviewer was threatened with dismissal because he kept asking to see data. There is no audit trail for positions taken by authors of each chapter. None. In the business world, if a financier were asked to commit billions for some project on the basis of a report of the quality of any of the IPCC Assessment Reports he would tell you to “Go away – don’t waste my time”.
I’m a retired engineer with a background in project management. Many of my peers agree with me about this.
Colin”
“RockyRoad says:
July 13, 2011 at 8:35 pm”
Gillards actual science advisor resigned in protest ‘coz Gillard was ignoring her. Gillard receives “climate science” advice from an economist, Prof. Ross “Gold Mine” Garnout. All economists agree there has to be a price on carbon. Tim Flannery has stated that is all global emissions of CO2 (From human activities) temperatures might not start to drop for 1000 years. Rudd had Penny Wong as climate change minister, Gillard has Combet, and not one of them has an actual clue about physics and chemistry.
“Peter Kerr, Perth West Australia says:
July 13, 2011 at 7:23 pm”
The compensation (Compo) is just vote buying for the next couple of years so that Labor/Greens are returned to Govn’t. Well, that is what Gillard/Brown hopes. They are seriously deluded. The compensation will eventually be worth nothing and may even be repealed, just like compensation for the introduction of the GST in Aus. The actual tax falls short by as much as AU$4.5billion when compo is factored in. So where is all the extra money coming from? Most AGW/carbon tax supporters claim Labor won a majority when in actual reality the Coalition won more votes. The minority Labor lead Govn’t was created by the Greens joiing Labor followed by the independents crapping on their electorate. The next election will see these traitors out of Govn’t for sure, sadly by then, the damage will be done. Gillard also states that any corporates/companies “price gouging” will be fined AU$1.1mil which to me suggests industry WOULD go offshore, no question.
“why did you lie to us?”
She lied because she is a politician and politicians lie… she should know that.
Peter Kerr in West Oz, seems likely that a lot of that compo will have its value eaten away by inflation (see here – http://blog.libertarian.org.au/2011/07/10/carbon-tax-compensation/). If that’s at all accurate I reckon the compo isn’t to compensate people for higher costs then but to make sell the idea now by making them think they’ll be compensated, and then for Jules to cross her fingers and hope like hell nobody calls her on it come election time.
Julian Braggins, July 13, 2011 at 10:29 pm
More than once I’ve asked the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, and the Minister for Minister for Climate Change and Energy Efficiency, Greg Combet, to explain what they mean by the phrase, “carbon pollution”? Neither has deigned to answer. I suspect that they are both scientific ignoramuses and wouldn’t have a clue about the difference between carbon and CO2.
It’s easy to tell when a major politician is lying.
You can see their lips moving…
In all this I have not yet heard the Abbott stating that he will perform the simple expedient of repealing the carbon tax when he gets in.
Simples surely?
I’m just asking.
we in australia have to put up with this melon head 80% of us would like to send her over to the US we are being taken for a ride buy the greens (melon heads) the only good news is we are fighting back
At 0:39 she says “. . . put a price on carbon pollution – polluters gonna pay.” Pollution BS aside and to the economics of “making the polluters pay,” she’s either very cynical or very stupid; but no one could be that stupid.
Could they?
If I recall George H. W. lost his bid for reelection when he uttered:
“Read my lips, no new taxes”
He was gone next election.
She talks abouther values “I’m Labour, my family was Labour I grew up with values of hard work, politeness and thrift all the sort of things that are not fashionable nowadays”. Notice there is not a mention of honesty! I wonder why? Is it her Labour background?
PS. I know the above is in quotes and it isn,t exactly verbatim but essentially it is what she said – it,s difficult to retype everything from a video.
Sorry for the typos, damn these french keyboards!
log onto galileo movement to see what the aussies are up to.we must derail our labour govt on this carbon hoax. we are having a canberra national rally to be held on the 16th of august
She talks volumes about which she knows nothing.
I am afraid those rebuilding in Brisbane on the flood plane will be flooded out again. It has happened many times before so instead of blabbing on about carbon pollution she should be ensuring that rebuilding is on higher ground not as now.
She will cost Australia dear with no change of natural events.
We can get by with lying politicians in Australia as it is par for the course. Except before an election when a lie by the Prime Minister changes the result of the election. This is a no no and all thinking people are pee’d off. If this lying b–ch had said she was going to introduce a carbon dioxide tax she would have gotten a maximum 27% of the vote, some what less than needed to form a government. The left in Australia are always devious but even to left voters this lie has changed some 20% of them into conservatives. Calling this tax a pollution tax on carbon is another fabrication that is spreading through the lower echelons of society as BS. That is why this mature women stood firm and called BS on Ju-liar. We have our Juliar the ranga bogon of government house. Ranga Australian slang for a red head {orangatang} a red haired primate. Bogan is harder to explain using American english , Some one with no ethics or social graces and a look at me I’m so clever attitude {But is thick as two planks} is close in American terminology.
Tallbloke, brilliant
Here in France, Sarkozy changed his mind and abbated the tax until the rest of europe are paying it. In the UK, the average QI of 1 doesn’t help at all. With 4million readers of their Sun newspaper (Murdocks rubbish), their leaders know that they can do what they like. Vue Brown, Blair, Osborne and Cameron. Complete and utter incompetents.
This is part of the overall UN scheme of things and carbon taxes in the major economies have to brought and harmonised to give the UN funding for transfer to developing countries. The same price has been set in the UK and is the price sought by the UN High Level Climate Finance Advisory Panel, which has as members people such as George Soros, carbon trader Lord Stern, UK carbon tax economy destroyer Chris Huhne, the new IMF head, Christine Lagarde. Check it out:
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/high_level_climate_finance.html
http://sppiblog.org/news/a-nest-of-carbon-vipers
Agnostic @ 12.29 am:
Thank you for putting in your father’s letter again. I missed it before. He has made a very good and sober response to dear Julia. I still can’t believe that ‘Altona Woman’ became PM; I suppose that’s because Greenies supported her and Independants ratted on their constituents.
“When you start telling the truth I’ll listen to you!”
Priceless…..
Maybe they should have that on T-shirts. Even better still “When you start telling the truth I’ll vote for you!”
Here in the UK we are looking at having the power of recall, ie re-election, if a politician promises in a manifesto one thing and then does the opposite in power. I guess it will be a cold day in hell when that becomes law!
mike g said:
July 13, 2011 at 7:35 pm
Who presents the Order of Austrialia? Don’t know if I’d want one if this woman does the presenting.
Rest assured, the Prime Minister has no say in who gets them, and does not present them (unless they are honorary ones to foreign citizens that she decides she’s like to present while overseas in the right place at the right time). There is nothing to stop someone nominating that gutsy lady for an award in the Order of Australia for what she did in that shopping mall on that day, but … in the greater scheme of things it’d be pretty unlikely to be adjudged worthy, even with the independent council appointed to judge these things. Let the court of public opinion see the worth of her contribution and be done, I say.
That lady calling the Aussie PM a liar reminds me of this other old lady, Gillian Duffy, who asked an inconvenient question and was maligned, on air, by the UK PM, Gordon Brown as a bigot:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8649012.stm
Politicians everywhere, here’s my advice: beware of old ladies!
We’re not the sweet, knitting little grannies who can be patted – we’re not afraid of asking the inconvenient questions you don’t want to answer.
It’s pathetic really that the PM of Oz and the People’s Democratic Party High Commissar in the USSA need they’re own KGB and Gestopo to put their Party Platforms over on the Voters. Whatever happened to chrisma, integrity, common sense, and all that rot? I guess we should be happy that at least the Chinese are being honest with everyone about their intentions for the future of the planet. Right? I mean Left?
After watching the clips of this politician Julia, you can tell she’s an expert in obfuscation and factual inexactitudes. Her logic is as pretzelesque as it comes.
Ms Gillard starts out by diverting attention onto a bogus issue labeled “carbon pollution” and how they are going to reduce it but the gas is not a pollutant until it reaches levels over 10X to-day’s values. From reading the Govt’s literature her objective seems to be to introduce some international taxation scheme agreed upon behind closed doors at Copenhagen and Cancun and this has nothing to do with the weather.
All those well-meaning conservationists have been hijacked to do the UN’s dirty work.
>>Dave says: July 13, 2011 at 9:25 pm
>>An Austrian atheist has won the right to be shown on his driving-licence photo
>>wearing a pasta strainer as “religious headgear”.
The point he is making is quite valid.
I am not allowed to wear a hat on a driving licence, even though I always wear a hat. But someone who has arrived in the country 5 minutes ago, is allowed to wear a hat. That, my friend, is discrimination, and it should be stopped immediately.
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I don’t think any small reduction in carbon fuel usage in Australia will offset the upcoming burning of coal in German power plants. 🙂
Between Obama and Gillard, black women everywhere would be thanking their lucky stars Condoleezza Rice preceded them both.
Caught these videos over at James Board’s blog. You got to love the woman! Angry, but civil and deadly accurate!
Gillard was a socialist when she started out and remained a member of the Socialist forum from ’98 – 2002. She only moved to Labor because, beside there being no difference between Labor and Socialists, the Socialist Party never wins any seats. She has no problem redistributing the Australian people’s money overseas because, as a politician, she’s assured her pocket will be filled with the taxpayers’ money first.
“The Socialist Forum was established in 1984, initially by disaffected members of the Communist Party of Australia (CPA). Its membership included Australian Labor Party (ALP) members and political activists . . . (Its) stated aim was to contribute to the development of democratic socialism in Australia . . .”
And one of its unstated aims was to help former communists join Labor.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/andrew-bolt-more-than-just-red-hair/story-e6frfifx-1111114676610
Is there a single politico out there who can understand that carbon is not carbon dioxide? Or do just read what the enviros put in front of them? Pitiful, really.
It was all that guff she spouted (in the 2nd video) about ‘how she was brought up’ that got me. Its kinda hard to believe that anyone could ‘bring up’ a slimy lying little c0w like that.
Is that the state of the Aussie Labour Party – it certainly seems to be that of the UK Labour Party. The fact that Tony Blair, over the course of 10 years, tripled the size of the UK Statute Book speaks volumes. (and is voluminous, now) What I read of it that they regard the rest of the UK population as grasping lying little scumbags that cannot be trusted. It was/is nothing more than a reflection of themselves.
Ranting on, anecdotally it seems that the UK is setting the pace re: exporting pollution and making itself ‘green’ by, get a load of this, burning Chinese sourced wood pellets in a large UK power station. Gobsmacking is not the word
and I thought it was bad enough that UK’s largest supermarket (Tesco) is selling home BBQ charcoal, yet again, sourced from China. From “Certified Cottonwood trees” each 5Kg sackful declares.
They ain’t selling a lot of it of course.This year’s rampantly out of control Global Warming has put paid to any chance of anybody having a BBQ anywhere in the UK.
Can the Little Shop Keeper run for Premier?
Brave lady. When you you get mature you begin
to not care or respect the authorities that put their
pants(or Panty hose) on one leg at a time…
What a mealy mouthed Pol….
Jesse Gump says:
July 13, 2011 at 7:15 pm
Regarding the videos, Gillard’s responses are typical politician baloney. Are you sure she is not from the US?
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Clearly not. Otherwise it wouldn’t be called a carbon tax, it would be a kinetic revenue action.
I, unfortunately, have only known about a dozen Australians, during my long life. They have all seemed to be like Agnostic’s father, July 14, 2011 at 12:29 am. Very intelligent, grounded to earth, no BS, type people.
I am at a total loss, trying to reconcile, my image above, with the reality of the self inflicted injury, presently happening in Australia. It’s not enough to blame this mess on the politicians. It must be shared by those who put them in power. Those amazing people like Agnostic’s father, must take back the rule of their country. If you don’t… then Gillard is what you deserve.
Sorry, that’s, the long and short, of it. GK
Where does one stand legally for buying carbon credits from overseas? CO2 isn’t exactly a ‘local’ problem therefore carbon credits should be purchasable from any nation that issues them. A careful shopper could buy credits for ‘pennies’ in some markets……….
Agnostic says:
July 14, 2011 at 12:29 am
That’s funny. Your father Colin must be telepathically connected to one ‘John Holmes’ who left an almost identical post on the UK Department for Business, Innovation and Skills Blog in response to a request for feedback by Sir John Beddington th UK Government Chief Scientific Adviser.
http://blogs.bis.gov.uk/blog/2011/07/13/preparing-for-the-future/
Either that or there is a lot of plagiarism going round.
stephen richards says:
July 14, 2011 at 2:49 am
Hang on a minute Stephen, it’s 143 Irishmen (or Newfies if you’re Canadian) with an IQ of 144 – you’ve got to allow for the odd bright one!
G Karst, (14/07 – 11.45am) we are in this situation because, over time, our education has been taken over by socialists; we have a compulsory voting system where many people do not follow the issues but vote according to who promises the most largesse; our media is also tainted by socialist educators as most journalists now attend university where many of the educators push Marxist or Socialist ideology.
As an example – when the Labor gov’t decided to change our Health system by socialising it and met resistance from doctors, the Prime Minister of the day (Gough Whitlam) acted to change their minds by this process. He said ‘Stuff their mouths with money.’ and he did! We now have a very expensive and ever failing health system.
The same is now happening with this nonsensical ‘Carbon Tax” where the ‘people are being promised full compensation’ to ensure their agreement. Unfortunately, Gillard does not have to face an election to implement this policy because of her lie, and because the minority Labor party, with the support of the socialist Greens and the moronic Independents can get it through parliament.
Australia’s people are waking up but at the moment the situation is horrible.
In my country we have a saying: A liar’s life is short.
What annoys me is that at least the Greens are open about their policies… the loony policies they announce is what they push for. Labor under Joooolya, on the other hand, is wafting in the wind and bending whichever way they can to maintain their precious minority Government. It was, is and will be a recipe for disaster because we all know the Greens are running the puppet show.
Any way to INCREASE CO2, I reckon rather than dodging the bullet, we just get busy making more of this nutritious trace gas. See its like a sticking plaster, we keep trying to ease it away, lets just get in there are rip the bugger off. On the count of three,…exhale deeply.
Poor old Julia, no matter how much she holds her breath, the carbon just keeps a comin’.
/SARC OFF
@Billy liar
Oh wow! The dude lifted my dads email verbatim. Nice find.
She lies and obfuscates as well as any politician. What she forgot to do was to pre-screen her audience and put friends in the group that she could call on so she would know what the questions would be ahead of time. Also, allowing follow-up questions and comments is not a good idea. One question, one evasive non-answer, no follow up.
She needs to take a lesson from Obama, who continues to lie, and no one is allowed to get a straight answer from him. In the US, people who tell the truth are shunned, reprimanded, and tossed aside. Truth is anathema to maintaining power in the US. The less we know, the less we need to think, the easier to rule us. We can’t even choose what kind of light bulbs to buy, testament to lack of respect we get from out gracious and all-knowing leaders.
Bulldust says:
July 14, 2011 at 2:35 pm
“What annoys me is that at least the Greens are open about their policies…”
Yes but the problem is..how many times have you ever seen a Green member asked a hardball question by MSM in Australia… I never have..I have watched abc “journalists” get into frothing frenzies about sceptics..but they never say peep to a Green..and I would also like to help the Greens raise funds for there web site. 🙂
The poor Greens dont have enough funds to restore their climate poll back online..,
Please help them LOL
http://joannenova.com.au/2011/06/greens-run-and-hide-from-poll-results/
What people need to recognise is that this is not about global warming (even these people can’t honestly believe that Australia’s contribution will make a difference), however it is about tax reform and social engineering. Julia and the Greens are implementing a tax fraud on a grand scale under the guise of a carbon tax. In reality much of what she is compensating with has already been reccomended to government because it ends up being cost neutral. The real point is that the compensation will not cover years 3 an 4 onwards, but then that’s after the next election.
@ Fred Allen
“Young families can’t get a look in on home ownership without selling their first born to the banks.”
The bank refused to take mine.
@Jesse Gump
Nothing particularly American about political waffle. I’ve lived in Australia, Britain, Sweden, Denmark, Saudi Arabia, Japan, and the US. All their politicians are like that. As far as I can tell, the same is true of every other country as well.
We’re all doomed.
RoHa says:
July 14, 2011 at 5:51 pm
Roha, your mental balance and blood pressure will benefit if you assume all politicians are criminal psychopaths. You will rarely be disappointed by anything they do and now and again, one may provide a pleasant surprise by proving that they are not a criminal psychopath, at least on that occasion.
After all what kind of mentality does it take to be willing to force people to your will by sending armed men to their dwelling?
In the U.S. we have people who vote according to placement on the ballot. I recall one old fellow who, in the year 2000 mess in Florida, was complaining that he always votes for the top name on each ballot race, a straight ticket, because the Democrats are always listed first, and in this election he was tricked because someone switched places on the ballot. He wanted his vote adjusted accordingly. As you can see in democracies there is a lot of thought that goes into the election.
Beesaman says: ““When you start telling the truth I’ll listen to you!” Priceless…..Maybe they should have that on T-shirts. Even better still “When you start telling the truth I’ll vote for you!”
Needs a little color. Maybe a pink flying pig?
“if you assume all politicians are criminal psychopaths.”
Actually, I assume they are all lying criminal psychopaths. I make the same assumptions about almost everyone in a position of power, but especially the Big Money boys who spruik “free markets/less government” when what they mean is “free hand for looting the country and destroying the lives of everyone else.”
That’s why I think we’re doomed.
I really love watching the third leg of the global government stool crash and burn. Australia is just a comic tragedy in the global carbon tax scam.
“Once seen as a potential bonanza by governments, investment bankers, and alternative energy proponents, carbon dioxide credits have become close to worthless in trading exchanges and are now being shunned by investors.”
“New Jersey Leads the Way
RGGI received more bad news recently when New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie announced his state would be leaving the group at the end of the year. New Jersey’s unemployment rate is currently 9.3 percent, and Christie is trying to create a more business-friendly climate in his state. RGGI does not fit into those plans.
“Americans for Prosperity has exposed the RGGI cap-and-trade scheme as nothing less than a devious and immoral scam that will make the mortgage-backed derivatives scheme look like child’s play,” said Steve Lonegan, New Jersey state director for Americans for Prosperity. “This is a regressive, stealth tax on electricity that destroys jobs, does nothing whatsoever to address so-called global climate change, and is being exploited by insiders and speculators who see the potential to make massive profits on the backs of ratepayers. Thankfully, we are beginning to see this scheme unravel.”
New Jersey’s withdrawal from RGGI and the failed auction in June are unmistakable signs RGGI’s days are numbered, Lonegan says.
“I believe this signals the beginning of the end of RGGI and the end of cap-and-trade here in the United States. It’s just a matter of time until the entire RGGI scheme collapses of its own weight,” Lonegan predicted.
Hard Times Hit Carbon-Trading Markets
http://www.heartland.org/article/30366/Hard_Times_Hit_CarbonTrading_Markets.html
Old Woman of the North:
You are so 100% right about education.
Here and in every western country, the Left have had their way with education—in Australia it’s been especially so since the early sixties—and they’ve been able to snow politicians and parents no matter which side of politics is in power, because the education bureaucrats and academics are almost all of the Left.
They crippled a generation or more of Western children with a merry-go round of ‘new schemes’ designed not to educate children, but to give the academics and bureaucrats some new Socialist-inspired plaything to take with them to international conferences at taxpayers’ expense .
At the conferences, they indulge in back-slapping reinforcement of their post-modern credentials, quoting Freire, Gramsci and all the usual suspects—-and plan their next assault on the western democracies via our children.
In fact, it seems their aim is not just to provide a sub-standard education, but primarily to deprive children of real literacy , in order to limit their ability to think beyond all the fashionable mantras and persuasions— to make them susceptible to slogans and inducements, and to limit their ability to think beyond the blinkered tunnel vision of the indoctrinated —to embed in them the ‘move on’ mentality that characterises socialist activism.
I think our children are being groomed rather than educated.
If Western educators were part of the Communist Chinese Asymmetric Warfare strategy, they could not do a more effective job of sabotaging the West.
John Howard tried as valiantly as any politician could, to rid us of their damaging subversive curriculum elements and methods, but was thwarted at every turn by the broad spectrum of the Left with the enthusiastic assistance as always , of the almost 100% Leftist mainstream media.
The media is the key—they’ll always move mountains for the Left—as they’re now trying to do with the CO2 tax issue.
In education, in the climate change issue, in Treasury, the health bureaucracy, banking, and on every level, we ‘re suffering the consequences of the well-planned and relentlessly- executed ‘long march of the Left through the institutions’.
Only after Labor brings Australia to the edge of the precipice, as they always have done, do the Australian people stir and decide enough’s enough, and go after them with the proverbial baseball bats.
Ooooh that’s bad. We had a guy like that around here for the last few years (“You’re quoting me out of context”). In a single year he doubled the debt, created a huge future debt in public-private partnerships and now we have the IMF here and we were sold for the next 30 years.
Beesaman says:
Maybe they should have that on T-shirts. Even better still “When you start telling the truth I’ll vote for you!”
Given the voting record of the public at large, odds are good anyone wearing that statement would be wearing a lie.
This will never end as long as people keep ignoring or excusing the lies. I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
My heart and sympathies go out to you. Every country on Earth is struggling with this terrible yoke. Look what is happening in Egypt, Libya, Syria etc. The government is NOT the “LAST WORD”, obviously. Thankfully, more enlightened democracies, have other means, of accommodating public demands – such as impeachment, general strikes, peaceful demonstration, letters to editors, etc. etc.
The World aches for some country to stand up to this nonsense, unequivocally reject it, and show us a better way, of open truth.
That and a buck will get you a cup of coffee!
Those amazing people like Agnostic’s father, must take back the rule of their country. If you don’t… then Gillard is what you deserve.
Sorry, that’s STILL, the long and short, of it. GK
Ms. Gillard’s bafflegab meets the Axe of Truth in the hands of a couple of very plucky average Australians… Just love it.
I think she is about to have a “Read My Lips – No New Taxes” ax moment… Ought to have looked at what happened the other time a politician made a bald faced lie about not increasing taxes… Straight to the dumper…
gilliard is 100% reliable and trustworthy – she will do what gilliards do. count on it.
it does not take more than a simple mind to grasp this.
here is where the lesson is to be found: if that lady is something you call “plucky”, you are soooo doomed.
‘how can i trust you?’ heh- you can totally trust her. she can totally trust you to do what you reliably do – beg, whine and bend over for the next ‘chance’
so if there is any problem with negotiating a buggering, it’s not gilliard’s problem.
it will be your problem next time, too. you just never learn.
Ah, the sound of clashing realities …
Music for the 21st century? (Just as the Ideological March was the most prominent tune in the 20th.)
the Carbon Tax … the Carbon Tax …
I’m trying to recall where in Gulliver’s Travels that idea appears. I’m sure it was in the section on the Lilliputians but I don’t remember exactly where.
What would I give for an open mic. on Juliar, after that little encounter.
It was the undoing of Gordon Brown.
That Dear old Lady. Now she is what Australia can still be proud of. That calm, deliberate, determination, that will not be silenced. ( as opposed to the bare faced, duplicitous, patronising behaviour from the one entrusted to Lead the Nation).
I have had the great pleasure of working in Australia and with Australians. The one thing that is common to all Aussies, regardless of political preference, is they do not suffer fools or insincerity very well.
Gillard is well beyond the fool state. She is plumbing new depths of insincerity.
I’d say she’s done like dinner . . . .
Jones says:
July 14, 2011 at 1:29 am
In all this I have not yet heard the Abbott stating that he will perform the simple expedient of repealing the carbon tax when he gets in.
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If I recall correctly, Abbott has said on numerous occasions “We will oppose it in Opposition and repeal it in Government.”