The Met Office, eyes wide open

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There’s an extraordinary admission about solar activity and cold winters in the UK from the Met Office in an article in FT Magazine.

It is as if the blinders have been removed.

The relevant passage is below from the much larger article.

“We now believe that [the solar cycle] accounts for 50 per cent of the variability from year to year,” says Scaife. With solar physicists predicting a long-term reduction in the intensity of the solar cycle – and possibly its complete disappearance for a few decades, as happened during the so-called Maunder Minimum from 1645 to 1715 – this could be an ominous signal for icy winters ahead, despite global warming.

Read the article – http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/35145bee-9d38-11e0-997d-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz1RacNghPj

h/t to WUWT reader “Lord Beaverbrook”

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Lord Beaverbrook
July 9, 2011 12:29 am

First brought to my attention by Matthu at Bishop Hill.

stephen richards
July 9, 2011 12:32 am

Don’t you just love the phrase “inspite of global warming”. It’s the old global warming-cooling mantra again.

Stonyground
July 9, 2011 12:36 am

” With solar physicists predicting a long-term reduction in the intensity of the solar cycle – and possibly its complete disappearance for a few decades, as happened during the so-called Maunder Minimum from 1645 to 1715 – this could be an ominous signal for icy winters ahead, despite global warming.”
Shouldn’t that read “icy winters ahead rather than global warming”? As it stands it doesn’t make sense, it’s going to get colder despite getting hotter.

Brian H
July 9, 2011 12:36 am

The blinders may be lowered for nearer term forecasting, but if the MET is operating at all with the opinion that CO2 is a “warming driver”, it’s walking on thin air when it comes to climate predictions. It is running the WAG-o-flop computer on that one.

Autonomous Mind
July 9, 2011 12:41 am

Cookson was one of the ‘journos’ who reported the Met Office line that seasonal forecasts had been scrapped. But as I showed on my blog some months ago (previously linked by Anthony), the Met only renamed and moved those forecasts and this is evidenced by the minutes of their Board meeting…
http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/met-office-document-shows-it-only-renamed-its-seasonal-forecasts/
Despite this the Met, Cookson and his ilk maintain the falsehood. This article is another puff piece for the Met Office by their media friends.
Like the weather, these journos are cyclical, so we can expect another piece by Connor in the Independent shortly, Gray in the Telegraph and Harrabin on the BBC. But when provided with evidence to the contrary of the Met Office’s line these journalistic giants look the other way and run as fast as they can.

David Falkner
July 9, 2011 12:42 am

You know, I had a post written about min/max difference (to talk about variability), but I deleted it. When you’re looking at the average temperature for the day, that doesn’t really tell you squat if you are just taking (max+min)/2. There is no factor in that for time. In fact, if you really wanted to measure our temp system, and thought it was this important, why not set up a sort of ‘Marshall Plan’ to change the recording equipment to equipment that would report the temperature when it changed up or down by some predetermined interval of Celsius or Farenheit.
It wouldn’t need to hold any data except what the previous temperature was. As long as it sent the data to an external storage site with proper controls, you’d have a record of the temperature for a day, and be able to pick out the average by using the appropriate time factor. You could do this for a week or month or year, even, for that site without using the hamhanded (max+min)/2 formula. And it wouldn’t be incredibly difficult to setup.

Poul
July 9, 2011 12:43 am

Let’s sent a kind thought to whoever started Climate-gate. The effects are starting to be seeing.

Roy
July 9, 2011 12:50 am

Stonyground
“Shouldn’t that read ‘icy winters ahead rather than global warming’? As it stands it doesn’t make sense, it’s going to get colder despite getting hotter.”
I think they are covering all eventualities! Yesterday the Met Office forecast good weather for Wales this weekend but added that there was a possibility of showers. So far this morning it has been pouring with rain so they were right about the “possibility”. Still, it seems to be brightening up a little now so if the rest of the day is fine I’ll forgive them!
Roy

Chris Smith
July 9, 2011 12:50 am

China’s soot saved them re the 1998 to 2008 non warming… now they are ready to say that CO2 would have caused the warming were it not for the blasted sun spots cycle! We still need a carbon tax though!

Pingo
July 9, 2011 12:57 am

Warm winters caused by global worming, cold winters caused by solar. Spot a problem? Not like the sun was noisy in the 20th century was it….
But in climate change and uk politics, you can’t admit you were wrong. Turn lake sediment data upside down, magic away UHI, and hide data and you’ll be a climate scientist my boy.

Adam Gallon
July 9, 2011 12:58 am

Cognative dissonace? (Hmm, spelling looks a bit dodgy there!)
Thyt’re still trying to keep in with their political masters, by saying that “Carbons” are very naughty and so any plebs using them must be suitably punished, whilst a spark of science has started a bit of a real fire under them.

Mats Bengtsson
July 9, 2011 1:03 am

That does not look like eyes open to me. It looks like a preparation of an explanation “The temperature might have been going down lately, which is due to the lack of intensity in the solar cycle. But we are in the middle of ongoing global warming, which is harder for people to realise now when the temperature is going down due to other reasons”.
— Mats —

fdf
July 9, 2011 1:04 am

From the article: “For all the prodigious processing power and observational resources of the worldwide meteorological system, forecasting decisions still come down to human skill and experience. The Met Office would never rely solely on a computer-generated forecast, . . . ”
I guess that’s what the AGW argument comes down to. It’s OK to introduce their human conviction that CO2 causes non-linear warming because “forecasting decisions come down to human skill and experience.”
Apparently their skill and experience gleaned from predicting millenia of warming has given them the intuition to know when they are right, regardless of the data or the models.

Martin Brumby
July 9, 2011 1:05 am

“We now believe that [the solar cycle] accounts for 50 per cent of the variability from year to year,” says Scaife.
Ouch!
That must have hurt!!

Pete H
July 9, 2011 1:15 am

” Some climate-change sceptics seem to attack Met Office weather forecasts as a way of undermining its climate predictions.”
Ah! So its our fault that poor science emanates from Jones, his team and the Met Office. I will slap my legs and go and stand in the corner!
Until then, let the Met Office be run as a private company, raising its own funds and stop wasting U.K. tax payers money for its political ends. They will then stand or fall on the accuracy of their piss poor predictions.

Kelvin Vaughan
July 9, 2011 1:22 am

Stonyground says:
July 9, 2011 at 12:36 am
Shouldn’t that read “icy winters ahead rather than global warming”? As it stands it doesn’t make sense, it’s going to get colder despite getting hotter.
No! global warming will still be going on in the models.

Patrick Davis
July 9, 2011 1:24 am

“…this could be an ominous signal for icy winters ahead, despite global warming.”
I’d like to know where this global warming is going to happen. 3-4 sever winters in the UK and much of Europe. 3-4 summers here in Aus have been cooler than usual. 3-4 winters here in Aus have been very cold. Darwin had it coldest Autumn quarter in decades. Canberra had its coldest May night in 40 years. Where is the missing warming. Its a travesty I tells ya.
Meanwhile, carbon tax and global warming articles in the Aussie MSM are at rcord highs. Gillard is telling most people won’t be affected in terms of costs of living, some people will actually be BETTER off under the new tax. Gotta give her crdit, she is a try-hard. We get the full “message” about the carbon tax tomorrow afternoon. I am tempted to watch it but fear I may damage the TV.
And, aading insult to injury, we here in Aus are subject this this drivel;
this could be an ominous signal for icy winters ahead, despite global warming.”
Look at the date of the image. 2005!!

Patrick Davis
July 9, 2011 1:27 am

Ah, for some reason the link didn’t get posted. Here is the link to my comments in my previous post.
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/look-north-for-a-vision-of-east-coast-future-20110708-1h6ri.html

Lord Beaverbrook
July 9, 2011 1:44 am

At last common sense prevails, maybe we in the UK will have sufficient stocks of grit and snowploughs during winter from now on.

Mike Bromley the Kurd
July 9, 2011 1:49 am

stephen richards says:
July 9, 2011 at 12:32 am
Don’t you just love the phrase “inspite of global warming”. It’s the old global warming-cooling mantra again.

Un-theories die hard. The thing is, don’t they (or the person who wrote the statement) wonder how in heck they are supposed to show how much warming is going on while they’re freezing their sorry arses off? “Yes, if it were not for global warming, it would be 1.28462 degrees colder…so nonetheless, we must mitigate climate change!”
FAIL

July 9, 2011 1:49 am

Ah, mundanes. The average reader of “hard” speculative fiction (particularly those of us who read “military SF”) got a heavy dose of this in John Ringo‘s 2008 – pre-Climategate – novel The Last Centurion.
Sample chapters are freely accessible online, including Chapter Two:
“I Was and Am an Idiot”
, in which can be read the following:

The article my dad sent me was from a British source. See, there was this solar physicist in Britain who had sort of gotten out of the solar physics field and entered the long-range forecasting field. Weather, that is. We all know, Lord God do we know, that all that baloney about “greenhouse gases” and “man-induced global warming” was so much horse sh-t. But back then it was all “global warming! CO2 will kill us all!” Man, we wished we’d had that sort of CO2, didn’t we?
But the thing about this guy, don’t recall his name, was that he did long-range weather forecasts based on solar activity. He’d studied the sun until he should have been blind and had figured out that just about everything related to the sort of weather farmers cared about came down to solar output. Forget CO2, it was all the sun. We all know that now. Most of you probably know who I’m talking about. Damn, why can’t I remember his name?
Anyway, Dad sent me this article. It was complicated. I had to dredge up some long-stored memories from my “Weather and Agriculture” classes but I finally figured it out. Basically, the guy was being very cautious in saying that Our Friend the Sun had turned off.
Oh, not completely. But his predictions were way more cautious than normal and just f-cking dismal for the next growing season. He even put a caveat in the end. I recall it to this day.
“Based upon these indicators, NYP (Next Year Predictions) indicate significant chance of severe cooling regimes.”
Severe cooling regimes. That would be 2019. Nobody has to be reminded about 2019.
And then there was Dad’s note at the end. “Investing heavily in triticale.”
For all you non-farmers and non-Star Trek buffs, triticale is rye. See, there’s a couple of things about rye. The first thing is that it’s not exactly a big need crop. Wheat? Lots of markets for wheat. Ditto corn. (Maize to you Europeans and Canoe-Heads.) Soy? Always good markets for soy. Beans of various sorts. Peas. We grew it all, even seasonals like broccoli. All good markets.
Rye is a niche market. Not a bunch of people lining up for rye. (Didn’t used to be back then. Less so now, too. Thank God we’re past eating nothing but rye bread from the lines, huh?)
But the main thing about rye is that it grows fast and is cold hardy. Winter wheat’s cold hardy but . . . Oh, it’s complicated. There’s also only so much winter wheat market and it’s touchier than rye in certain cold and wet conditions. Look, I’m a professional. Do not try this at home.
Bottomline? Dad trusted this guy enough to be prepared to take a big hit economically on the basis that that was going to be the only way to survive.
Farmers are planners.

Pardon the elisions, but automated censoring in posting software sucks.
In his novel, Mr. Ringo was referring, I suspect, to solar physicist Piers Corbyn, of course, and he projected global cooling due to solar minima much later in the present decade than will most probably be the case.
But like most scientifically literate non-scientists during the run-up to the C.R.U. correspondents’ exposure in late 2009, he knew damned well that “global warming” was bullpuckey, and what the consequences of the most probable real global climate variations will be.
It’s true that “Farmers are planners.” Professional hard SF writers and readers are futurians.
And mundanes are cement-heads.

Gareth Phillips
July 9, 2011 1:58 am

I suppose what they are saying is that while a Maunder minimum may produce icy winters for a period of time, the warming will continue once that influence has creased. An academic argument for most as we are unlikely to witness such timescales.

JB Williamson
July 9, 2011 2:04 am

Brian H says:
“The blinders may be lowered for nearer term forecasting, but if the MET is operating at all with the opinion that CO2 is a “warming driver”, it’s walking on thin air when it comes to climate predictions. It is running the WAG-o-flop computer on that one.”
Surely you mean “it’s walking on thin ICE” 🙂

July 9, 2011 2:16 am

Amazing isn’t it. How changes in the sun’s output can account for cooling, however it can never account for any amount of warming. Cooling = the sun warming = us

Obie
July 9, 2011 2:25 am

Quote from paragraph 13 of the FT article
The other ingredient in forecasting is having ­accurate data to feed into the computer models. “The World Meteorological Organisation facilitates a remarkable global system for sharing data,” Golding says.
One would think that given this “remarkable global system for sharing data” that the data “lost ” by the UAE is still stored in the various global weather services’ super computers and, no doubt, is kept at the Met Office in Exeter but can not be released because said office is funded by the MOD and as such is a state secret.

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