Canadian Senate kills climate change bill

Excellent! Now the list of usual suspects are going to have to figure out how to try to come up with a deal at Cancun knowing that the US, Canada, and France have already opted out. Oh, and China and India were out in any practical sense long ago.
So who’s going to volunteer to destroy their economies and give up all their jobs in order to benefit these countries which are thumbing their noses at the rest of them?
No one, that’s who.
And this is how the international climate movement dies. It was always an all or none type of proposition; now that it definitely is not “all”, the only rational option left is “none”.

Well maybe some common sense is coming to the MPs of Canada. Now maybe they will look at the message with an open mind instead of the group think that is AGW!

FYI, what was voted down (THE CLIMATE CHANGE ACCOUNTABILITY ACT), began with:
Recognizing that
-climate change poses a serious threat to the economic well-being, public health, natural resources and environment of Canada;
-the impacts of climate change are already unfolding in Canada, particularly in the Arctic;
-scientific research on the impacts of climate change has led to broad agreement that an increase in the global average surface temperature of two degrees Celsius or more above the level prevailing at the start of the industrial period would constitute dangerous climate change;
-scientific research has also identified the atmospheric concentration levels at which greenhouse gases must be stabilized in order to stay within two degrees of global warming and thereby prevent dangerous climate change; and
-this legislation is intended to ensure that Canada reduces greenhouse gas emissions to an extent similar to that required by all industri- alized countries in order to prevent dangerous climate change, in accordance with the scientific evidence on the impacts of increased levels of global average surface temperature and the corresponding levels of atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases;
The act would have restricted:
(a) carbon dioxide, which has the molecular formula CO2;
(b) methane, which has the molecular formula CH4;
(c) nitrous oxide, which has the molecular formula N2O;
(d) hydridofluoridocarbon that have the molec­ular formula CnHxF(2n+2-x) in which 0<n<6;
(e) the following perfluorinated hydrocarbon:
(i) those that have the molecular formula CnF2n+2 in which 0<n<7, and
(ii) octafluorocyclobutane, which has the molecular formula C4F8; and
(f) sulphur hexafluoride, which has the molecular formula SF6.
The Government would have been committed to:
The Government of Canada shall ensure that Canadian greenhouse gas emissions are reduced, subject to the ultimate objectives of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change,
(a) as a long-term target, to a level that is 80% below the 1990 level by the year 2050; and
(b) as a medium-term target, valid prior to the target plan referred to in subsection 6(1), to a level that is 25% below the 1990 level by the year 2020.
In a nutshell, it was a repudiation of the UN, and, with the collapse of the Chicago Carbon Market, the senators put the final nail in the coffin of the Act since the trading of offsets was key to making this thing work. Domino #1?

While I agree with the defeat of the bill I will point out that the bill got to the Senate after it was approved by a majority of MP’s in parliment. A proud day indeed. Only the readers of the Toronto Star and Mr Layton’s supporters (leader of the party responsible for the introduction of the bill) will be gnashing their collective teeth – I hear the grinding now:)

wws says:
November 17, 2010 at 10:19 am
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And this is how the international climate movement dies. It was always an all or none type of proposition; now that it definitely is not “all”, the only rational option left is “none”.

If Cancun fails then I believe that this will be the beginning of the end. India and China would be nuts to opt into Cancun after seeing what has happened in US, Canada, and France.

interesting the bill was worked on for 5 years by the Sierra Club
/Mango

Official English:
O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
Official French:
Terre de nos aïeux,
Ton front est ceint de fleurons glorieux!
Car ton bras sait porter l’épée,
Il sait porter la croix!
Ton histoire est une épopée
Des plus brillants exploits.
Et ta valeur, de foi trempée,
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits.
Protégera nos foyers et nos droits.
Today freer than it could have been. Still glorious.

Greek PM Says it at Last: Carbon Taxes are Just Another Way to Raise Revenue
“George Papandreou, the Greek prime minister has said that there may need to be new Europe-wide forms of taxation to help pay for the bail-outs that will be needed by the growing number of crashing economies in the euro-zone. His suggestions include “carbon dioxide taxes” which, he says, could provide “important revenues and resources for funding such a [bail-out] mechanism.””
http://www.infowars.com/greek-pm-says-it-at-last-carbon-taxes-are-just-another-way-to-raise-revenue/

Huh, I really can’t say I saw this coming. This would have been the perfect opportunity for the liberal dominated senate to embararess the harper conservatives who are often acused of being “climate change deniers” (HELL YES I VOTE CONSERVATIVE!).
But it seems not all the liberal senators showed up for work – LMAO!!!
Well played!
Sha – ZAM!
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/tory-senators-kill-climate-bill-passed-by-house/article1802519/
No doubt the MSM is already lining up some synthetic outrage about this but harper has my full support on this.

Meanwhile what do I do about my own Parliament which voted virtually unanimously to cut CO2 emissions by 80% by 2050?

All though I do not have full confidence in understanding the context of what this means in Canadian politics, it looks on the face of it to be good news. Congratulations Canadian skepticism and common sense.
John

Some of the more strident alarmist projections show the tree line expanding all the way to the Arctic Ocean coast in Canada. Turning vast portions of their vast country, that are now essentially unusable, into productive acreage wouldn’t seem to be a trend that many Canadians would be willing contest with any fervor. If AGW does turn out to be real, Canada looks to be a major beneficiary.

Keep in mind the morons who sponsored this Bill . . . the NDP are the Canadian socialist party & big Believers in AGW
A 25% cut from 1990 levels would kill the Canadian economy.
Tale every vehicle off all the roads, stop every train, plane & boat, stop using all hydrocarbon powered farm vehicles and immediately stop all production of electricity from fossil fuels . . and we wouldn’t achieve the 25% cut.
We’d go back to a pre-industrial, hand to mouth agrarian existence . . .

Huzzah! The Senate has had a few glorious moments over its history, including a vote in 1919 that kept the control of Canadian fisheries science at arms length from government, a victory that was overturned in 1973 during the Trudopean smog.
I’d love to see Hansard to see if Climategate figured in this debate. It is indeed a proud day to be a Canadian.
Hope the British government comes to its senses soon!

Well done, Canada!

The great irony is that the Conservatives tried so hard to bring in an elected Senate, which both the Liberals and the NDP shot down. Now the un-elected Senate shows themselves to be the ones with the rational and clear thought on the matter, while the elected Parliament is the body that is full of irrational agw global warming activists/politicians who are prepared to go along with the United nations IPCC and the agw fraud and destroy the worlds economies.
For the first time in my life, I will have to vote Conservative.

There is hope. I would fly up there and give a royal salute but I don’t relish the groping portion of the trip.
James Hansen needs to go up there and picket.

Excellent news.
A couple of notes to clear up a couple of mistaken perceptions from above comments and to educate non-Canadians: (1) Actually Canadian Senators are not elected Members of Parliament, (2) as they are appointed by the Prime Minister (well, by the Governor General aka the Queen (sigh) at the request of the Prime Minister actually).
“The Senate of Canada (French: Le Sénat du Canada) is a component of the Parliament of Canada, along with the monarch (represented by the governor general) and the House of Commons. The Senate consists of 105 members appointed by the Governor General on the advice of the prime minister.[1] Seats are assigned on a regional basis, with each of the four major regions receiving 24 seats, and the remainder of the available seats being assigned to smaller regions. The four major regions are: Ontario, Quebec, the Maritime provinces, and the Western provinces. The seats for Newfoundland and Labrador, the Northwest Territories, Yukon, and Nunavut are assigned apart from these regional divisions. Senators may serve until they reach the age of 75.
The Senate is the upper house of Parliament, and the House of Commons is the lower house. This does not, however, imply that the Senate is more powerful than the House of Commons, merely that its members and officers outrank the members and officers of the House of Commons in the order of precedence for the purposes of protocol. Indeed, as a matter of practice and custom, the Commons is by far the dominant chamber. Although the approval of both houses is necessary for legislation, the Senate rarely rejects bills passed by the directly elected Commons. Moreover, the government is responsible solely to the House of Commons; the Prime Minister of Canada and Cabinet stay in office only while they retain the confidence of the Commons. The Senate does not exercise any such control. Although legislation can normally be introduced in either house, the majority of government bills originate in the House of Commons. Under the Constitution, money bills must always originate in the House of Commons.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_of_Canada
There is a long and twisted history of Senate Reform in Canada which would see the Senators elected thus the rhetoric along those lines in the news stories on this defeat of the Climate Chains Bill.
In a rare case of sanity Prime Minister Harper and the Senate did the correct thing.
Until there is verifiable hard evidence that independent critics of the doomsday climate change claims (aka catastrophic AGW hypothesis) can verify no government has any right or basis to pass any prohibitive legislation on this topic.
In fact, CO2 is an essential nutrient for life. To be Anti-CO2 is to be Anti-Green-Life.

So, so pleased to see my country do something right on the “Climate Change” file.

Mr. Harper needs to reapply for the cajones he used to have and quit following anything Obama sets as “guidelines”. Man made climate change is myth. Let’s get on to more important issues within government!

What have we accomplished so far?
The big one is the destruction of the world carbon(CO2) tax. The trillion dollar a year market the globalists were planning. We did this without the help of the main stream media. We went over your heads as we are going to do again and again.
The alternative media hammered the likes of ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, CNBC, and the Huffington Post on the issue of cap and tax. With very little help from FOX on the issue for which we are grateful, the vast majority of the heavy lifting on the issue was done by us. We rode ClimateGate for all it was worth. It helps that real science was on our side.
In the past few weeks, the CCX carbon trading market trading on the Chicago Exchange had to file for bankruptcy. This was a trillion dollar a year market we almost single handedly put to death ourselves. We accomplished this with the blogosphere with sites like Watts Up With That, Climate Depot, Climate Audit, InfoWars, and Prison Planet among others.

It wouldn’t matter if the UK government changed – they are all in the pay of Greenpeace and will do as their Greenpeace/Fiends of the Earth Rent-a-mob dictate. The UK’s Climate Change Act will remain on the statute books until the last light goes out, then they’ll sit around the CO2 emitting campfires and ask what went wrong …

@ John A:
What can you do about your Parliament? Well, a couple of hundred years ago a few guys over there got together and hatched a plan that failed and they got executed for, but tends to get commemorated every year (at least it does in NZ) on 5 Nov by setting off lots of fireworks …
Disclaimer:
This is meant as a humerous remark, and not a real suggestion. 😉

Just another nail!!!!

“Killing Bill C-311 shows a fundamental lack of respect for the many Canadians who care deeply about climate change. They had a right to have this bill debated properly,” Mitchell said in a news release.
NOW they want a debate?

Funny that I read a lot of AGW’er musing that democracy is the problem and that maybe it’ll take a benevolent dictatorship to save us. Now, they’re complaining “an un-elected Senate” could thwart the will of the people…

had this law been passed, our Prime Minister could have risen in the House of Commons and delivered a speech like this one . . .
In order to comply with the Bill and Kyoto, it is necessary to take some drastic measures to either reduce emissions I Canada.
Canada got hosed at Kyoto. Jean Chretien’s Liberal government signed Canada to a treaty that means we must reduce our standard of living in order to comply. This Bill further obligates Canada to reduce its economy in order to comply and because of the way the Bill is worded, our Government must achieve the drastic reductions.
I am instructing a number of government department and agencies to enact the following emergency measure so that we can comply with the will of Parliament, or at least the Liberal, NDP and Bloc Quebecois parts of parliament.
1. Immediate shutdown of all coal fired power plants in Canada. We realize that this will hit Ontario very hard – 1/3 of Ontario’s electricity is coal generated, but look on the bright side, the lack of power will also cause the shutdown of thousands of plants and factories, throwing hundreds of thousands out of work. While we are it, we’ll close down all the top ten GhG emitters, as researched by Pollution Probe, listed below:
Rank Company Name Province
1 Ontario Power Generation On
2 Transalta Utilities AB
3 Sask Power SK
4 Alberta Power Corp AB
5 Nova Scotia Power Inc NS
6 Syncrude Canada Ltd. AB
7 Suncor Energy inc. Oil Sands AB
8 EPCOR Generation Inc. AB
9 Petro-Canada AB
10 Dofasco Inc. On
2. Immediate shutdown of the entire Petroleum industry across Canada – we will need to import our oil but we are only going to import oil from countries that will sell us Kyoto Credits. Besides we won’t need gas or oil because we won’t have the money to buy these big GhG emitters.
3. Immediately ban all wood burning fireplaces, charcoal and propane BBQ’s and summer campfires. All recreational vehicles and activities are deemed frivolous and will be banned. Sorry Bombardier, you are jusr screwed. No more skidoos and water jet boats. We are investigating how to ban forest fires as well, but that has its challenges.
4. A 50 cent per litre “GhG Kyoto Credit Buying Tax. Based on recent data that we use about 45 Billion liters of gasoline every year, this new tax revenue should make up the shortfall in general tax revenues caused by the overall collapse of the Canadian economy caused by the cheap political theatrics of the NDP. It will not make up for the billions in lost income taxes the Federal and Provincial governments will not collect by the 35% contraction of our economy we need to achieve to be Kyoto compliant.
5. We will not be able to afford generous Employment Insurance support for all the laid off workers because the numbers will reach in the millions. Shutting down the oil sands alone will result in huge job losses in Alberta, but also in Quebec and Ontario, where tens of thousands of workers make the pipes, valves, machinery, trucks, tires, computers and other equipment that would have been purchased had we not put these actions in place to meet the requirements of the Bill’s Law of Unintended Consequences. Shutting down the transportation industry will also be hard on employment, but we haven’t had time yet to count how many truck drivers there are in Canada, so we can’t tell you yet how many of their jobs will be toast.
6. For the tens of thousands of workers in the Financial sector, we are aware that the mortgage and credit crisis these moves will cause will result in the devastation of your industry as well, but we expect that the Barons of Bay street will be able to salvage a few jobs scamming a few bucks in the International Carbon Credit Trading Market, or as some have come to call it, the Kyoto Hot Air Credit Socialist Money Sucking Ponzi Scheme. Hopefully you will be one of the few out of the tens of thousands Financial Sector workers who will get one of these new jobs – you might even make megatonnes of money.
7. Since there will be a huge rise in the number of corporate and personal bankruptcies, our government will be enacting new legislation to simplify the process. Simply nail a sign to the front door of your home saying “WE QUIT” or for consumer debt, place your cut up credit and bank cards in an envelope and mail them to Pablo Rodriguez. That’s all, no lawyers or courts needed
8. We will also be reducing the size of the federal government payroll by at least 50% to meet the requirement to keep the budget balanced to the new and much lower levels of Federal revenues. That should be a few hundred thousand fewer Civil Servants at the Federal Level and many, many more at the Provincial level. We understand this will devastate the economy of Ottawa, but what the Hell, the rest of Canada doesn’t care about what happens in Moonbat Land sur Rideau, so no worries. To the 250,000 or so Civil Servants who will lose their ticket to the Golden Pension Plan, tough shit.
9. We will be forced to make massive reductions to the Federal government’s transfer of Social Services & Health dollars to the provinces to fit within the new fiscal capabilities of Canada’s Federal government. We will leave it up to individual provinces to decide to close schools or hospitals, or both, or whatever. It’s a provincial responsibility, but at the very least, expect much longer waits for even basic medical service. Since Canada, in addition to using “more than our fair share of Carbon” also uses more than “our fair share of global health care”, it’s about time we cut back, suffered more, did away with excessive health care and just suffered along with the rest of the world.
Its not all bad news. Canada should be able to save a fortune in Immigration costs. We have a forecast from government experts that Canada will go to last place in the quest for skilled immigrant labour. Somehow they don’t want to come to a country with power shortages, no air conditioning, limited winter heating, no jobs a Health Care system modeled on Zimbabwe and a devastated economy. Go figure.
Mr. Speaker, let me close by thanking the Liberals, especially Mr Chretien who’s stupidity, ego and driving need to buy himself a political “good-guy” legacy got us into this mess and of course the NDP for devastating our economy and depressing our standard of living to upper third world status.
As we huddle in the cold and swelter in the summer heat, as we stare at our old car we can’t afford to drive, as we fondly remember how hard it was to get out of bed on a Monday morning to go to the job we used to have, we can take pride in being the best-est, wonderful-est, the most moral-est international goody-goody boy scout country supporting the great socialist ponzi scheme called Kyoto and proving we are doing our part to help the planet be saved.
Thank you Mr. Speaker

The experiment with ‘renewables’ is an excellent idea as long as those in favour of Alice in Wonderland energy policies agree to be the first to be cut or rationed when the wind doesn’t blow or the sun fails to shine, rarely of course in Canada or the UK.
If a ‘parliament’ passes such a bill then the representatives and all government institutions should be the first to suffer candles and cold showers.

Sorry, I think I’ve now answered my own question by realising that it was the opposition’s bill rather than the government’s (my initial joy made me skim rather than read properly). In that case, even if there were an equivalent of the Parliament Act in Canada it would be used only after the majority government’s defeat.

This may well be the first time Canadian history that the Senate has done something useful.

Now it is time for the rest of the world to step up to the plate and end this imaginary and ill conceived never proven threat of global warming caused by manmade greenhouse gases. There are much bigger world isssues that need our financial support.

Paul Westhaver says:
November 17, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Perhaps it has something to do with the north magnetic pole leaving Canada and going to Russia….:-)

I’m a member of the People’s Republic of Canada. This Senate vote is nothing short of amazing in this country where every single news outlet is pro-AGW except for the National Post (which hardly anyone reads in Quebec). I’m trying to understand how it happened, but the details are few.

Here’s another nail!!
NZ climate change minister Nick Smith has just announced postponement of the agricultural tax as part of the ETS. The tax was going to be introduced in 1014.
One of a number of reason Nick Smith gives; we would be the only country in the world with such a tax and that would make our farmers less competitive in the international market.
Oh my giddy aunt, a politician representing a Gumment saying something sensible.
Have you got it yet Mr Obama?

I love the smell of dead climate change bills in the morning.

“Delegates from nearly 200 countries will meet in the resort town of Cancun”
That, in a nutshell, is why they do what they do.

Ken Boldt says:
November 17, 2010 at 12:26 pm
This is a complete slap in the face to democracy.

Good thing you are not a democracy then, isn’t it?

NDP Leader Jack Layton, whose party introduced the bill, says it’s “outrageous” an unelected Senate can kill what he says is important legislation.

I’ll make this completely clear: what is “outrageous” is layton’s faux surprise.
The Conservatives and their predecessors (Reform) have been pushing for YEARS to have a Triple-E senate: Equal, Elected, Effective. But layton seems to have some problem with that… unless it benefits him to pretend otherwise. Meh.
The only reason Prime Minister Harper is even going for the insanity is that 0bama threatened trade stuff if we didn’t go along with it. So we “go along” with it. Until 0bama is out on his butt in 2 years.

Good on ya Canada.
Here in Australia the Government is still talking tough about carbon tax. Prime Minister Gillard took the unusual step and wrote an ‘editorial’ article in the Sydney Morning Herald yesterday in an attempt to raise support for her ideology.

Most of the 130 comments (now) are from people who didn’t buy what she is trying to flog, but the majority of the Herald readers probably agree with her.
For those who are not close to Australian politics, this is the same prime minister who clearly stated before the August election that there will be no carbon tax under her government.

Australians – be afraid. Be very afraid.

Well done, Canada (and beautifully timed!).
I’m another despairing Brit hoping to see some glimmer of sense in our parliament – which still wants to shut what’s left of our industry down while subsidising the desecration of our countryside with almost useless windmills and huge arrays of photovoltaic cells. Maybe – just maybe – they’ll start to see the folly of our unachievable target of a 80% cut in CO2 emissions as more countries bail out of similar suicidal agreements.

Well done Canada!! Please can you shove a bit of your common sense to us over the pond! Here in the UK our political elite say they want to cut 80% of our emissions. This will take us back to the 1800s !! No industries, no manufacturing, in fact, we must all stop breathing as this adds to our carbon dioxide!

“Killing Bill C-311 shows a fundamental lack of respect for the many Canadians who care deeply about climate change. They had a right to have this bill debated properly,”

Here, let me fix that:

“Killing Bill C-311 shows a fundamental respect for the many Canadians who care deeply about having an income. They had a right to have this bill killed”

It’s all about perspective, right?

@ wws says: November 17, 2010 at 10:19 am:
I deeply regret to have to say, as others before me have pointed out already, that the lilly- livered, spineless so-called government (lower case intentional) of what was once Great Britain have already signed up to an Act of Parliament which requires this already poverty-stricken land to cut its ‘evil’ greenhouse gas emissions by 80% in just four short decades, at a cost of £18 BILLION per annum.
Oh, and to replace the power stations which the Central Committee of the EUSSR has deemed to ‘too dirty to live’ we have embarked on a spending spree purchasing windmills and solar cells, which have already been shown to be a failure of majestic proportions in climes far more suitable than the one under which we suffer. Our lights are soon to dim and fade into darkness, our houses will freeze and our population will decrease by just a little less than the amount demanded by the Greens.
The Socialist Utopia of the EUSSR continues to blight and, in many cases end our lives.
Would that the flash of brilliance which hit the Canadian Senate strike a goodly proportion of our feckless representatives!

Today is the day to remind what happened one year ago, which became CLIMATEGATE at:
http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/open-letter/#comment-11917
“FOIA said
November 17, 2009 at 9:57 pm
We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to be kept under wraps.
We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code, and documents.
Hopefully it will give some insight into the science and the people behind it.
This is a limited time offer, download now: XXXXXXXX
Sample:
0926010576.txt * Mann: working towards a common goal
1189722851.txt * Jones: “try and change the Received date!”
0924532891.txt * Mann vs. CRU
0847838200.txt * Briffa & Yamal 1996: “too much growth in recent years makes it difficult to derive a valid age/growth curve”
0926026654.txt * Jones: MBH dodgy ground
1225026120.txt * CRU’s truncated temperature curve
1059664704.txt * Mann: dirty laundry
1062189235.txt * Osborn: concerns with MBH uncertainty
0926947295.txt * IPCC scenarios not supposed to be realistic
0938018124.txt * Mann: “something else” causing discrepancies
0939154709.txt * Osborn: we usually stop the series in 1960
0933255789.txt * WWF report: beef up if possible
0998926751.txt * “Carefully constructed” model scenarios to get “distinguishable results”
0968705882.txt * CLA: “IPCC is not any more an assessment of published science but production of results”
1075403821.txt * Jones: Daly death “cheering news”
1029966978.txt * Briffa – last decades exceptional, or not?
1092167224.txt * Mann: “not necessarily wrong, but it makes a small difference” (factor 1.29)
1188557698.txt * Wigley: “Keenan has a valid point”
1118949061.txt * we’d like to do some experiments with different proxy combinations
1120593115.txt * I am reviewing a couple of papers on extremes, so that I can refer to them in the chapter for AR4”

GAZ says:
November 17, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Good on ya Canada.
Here in Australia the Government is still talking tough about carbon tax. Prime Minister Gillard took the unusual step and wrote an ‘editorial’ article in the Sydney Morning Herald yesterday in an attempt to raise support for her ideology.
Most of the 130 comments (now) are from people who didn’t buy what she is trying to flog, but the majority of the Herald readers probably agree with her.
For those who are not close to Australian politics, this is the same prime minister who clearly stated before the August election that there will be no carbon tax under her government.
Don’t dispair Gaz, in my home province of British Columbia, our Premier instituted a new sales tax after stating outright during the election that he had no intention of doing so. His approval rating dropped through the floor, he has since resigned and his party will be lucky to win the next election. Its unfortunate, because of the two parties, he led the less insane one. But he learned that its not nice to lie to the voters. Maybe your prime minister will learn the same lesson.

CodeTech,
Could not have said it better myself. Kudos!

Conservative senators caught their Liberal and unelected counterparts off-guard on Tuesday by calling a snap vote on Bill C-311, the Climate Change Accountability Act introduced by Bruce Hyer.
That is sooooooo sweet.

Yes, we dodged that bullet but I take little comfort in that.
From a news report:- “A number of Liberals were not in the Senate when the vote occurred, and the bill died with a tally of 43-32. ”
Hopefully their absence was planned as part of some sort of deal; otherwise,
I can see a second try …a zombie if you like…. with the opposite result.
We need to be as vocal as posible everywhere we can to denounce this if it reappears.

Australia worries me (and I live in it). Carbon trading/tax/pricing would be economic suicide; the majority of our exports are of minerals and ores, not much ‘value add’ to those to stop buyers going elsewhere if the carbon taxes cause the prices to rise.
Only way out of this is to educate the masses and hope to stop the carbon trading train before it goes over the cliff.

Beauty, eh?
Senate told ’em hockey stick hose heads were to shove it, eh.
We are gonna save the planet by chugging more Brewskis, eh, like that’s less CO2, hosers.

I live in British Columbia a province of Canada and we just had our provincial premier who is interm right now as he has been kicked out, meet with California’s Governator Schwarzengger both of them idiotic about climate disruption. Sooo not all good news yet as we have a carbon tax.
Suzuki is from B.C. and I think the ground shook from his tantrum when he heard the news.

“KevinC says:
November 17, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Stephen Harper has been well ahead of this issue for years. ”
“CodeTech says:
November 17, 2010 at 1:14 pm
The only reason Prime Minister Harper is even going for the insanity is that 0bama threatened trade stuff if we didn’t go along with it. So we “go along” with it. Until 0bama is out on his butt in 2 years.”
The above is all true, but since the midterm elections this month, Obama has conceded that cap and trade is dead. Prime Minister Harper has said we will do what the U.S. does. So if the U.S. does nothing, Canada would not suffer trade barriers if it also did nothing. But what do you expect to happen in two years? If Obama is out and the Republicans are in, then there is no way anything will happen since the Republicans correctly think like Prime Minister Harper on this issue.

Excellent news for Canada!
Not only the NDP was trying to cuddle the green vote but now the Liberals who never did a thing since Kyoto managed helping killing this green garbage.
In Canada now the green zealots of the Suzuki Foundation are infiltrated in Provincial and Municipal governments. They are pushing green agenda through the backdoor having never been elected as greeen , only on others’ lists.
No doubt that “deepclimate” will feel it deep tonight!!! LOL

“Most thinking people in Canada view the NDP as a coalition of losers, lefties and loonies.”
Here in the Great White North, Kentucky Fried Chicken has introduced a new
“NDP Chicken Basket”
It is all Left Wings & A**holes.

Conan will save the planet almost singlehandedly.
Arnold Schwarzenegger Launches R20 Climate Change Nonprofit Coalition With Local Governments Around The World
“DAVIS, Calif. — Nearly two dozen local government leaders from Africa, Asia, Europe and the Americas have started their own coalition to harness private investment in their fight against global warming.
The nonprofit organization, called R20, was launched Tuesday at the conclusion of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s third and final climate summit in California.
Schwarzenegger says local governments are taking action because “we can’t afford to wait for national and international movement.”
Countries involved in United Nations climate talks continue to disagree on how much they must reduce greenhouse gas emissions, which scientists say is critical to address rising global temperatures.
The new regional coalition is intended to fund projects designed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.”
Conan the Barbarian – What is best in life?

and more good news for the anniversary:
18 Nov: New Zealand Herald: Adam Bennett: Farmers may win ETS reprieve
New Zealand farmers are unlikely to be brought into the emissions trading scheme in 2015 unless scientific advances are made in reducing animal emissions and our trading partners make giant strides in putting a price on carbon, the Government says…
Another big factor in the Government’s decision over agriculture was whether a “technological breakthrough that we really need” could be found enabling farmers to reduce animal emissions.
Smith said the third important consideration was the economy.
“When the economy is just recovering as it is at the moment, we are hesitant of adding additional costs.”
Smith’s comments were welcomed as “fantastic” by Act deputy leader John Boscawen. “[Agriculture] shouldn’t have been there in the first place. We’re the only country in the world to have agriculture in an ETS and the sooner the Government announces it is taking it out the better.”
Green Party co-leader Russel Norman said New Zealand risked getting left behind if it delayed agriculture’s entry into the scheme.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=10688316

This is too rich, the Liberals would have nothing to do with Senate reform in Canada, now the Senate kills a ridiculous piece of legislation trying to control climate. Liberals if you really have a problem with the Senate why didn’t you reform this upper house during the many decades you where in power (triple E maybe)?
It will be hilarious watching the climate religious fanatic David Suzuki arrest and throw the Senate in jail.

I still think that this site should stick to meteorogical data and graphs rather than politics etc..In the end that’s what will count. Ie: what I am saying we are falling for the AGW crowd if we don’t

Stephan says:
November 17, 2010 at 6:26 pm
I still think that this site should stick to meteorogical data and graphs rather than politics etc..In the end that’s what will count. Ie: what I am saying we are falling for the AGW crowd if we don’t
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Stephan – AGW is a political movement. How do you propose to keep the politics out of it?
All the best.

If you don’t mind in these trying times and now that this thread is getting long in the tooth, a little prescient topic relevant to today.
Enough Is Enough!

Stephan says:
November 17, 2010 at 6:26 pm

I still think that this site should stick to meteorogical data and graphs rather than politics etc..In the end that’s what will count. Ie: what I am saying we are falling for the AGW crowd if we don’t

No, Stephan. What the POLITICIANS do with the meteorological data/graphs in the end is EXACTLY what matters. Besides, they’ve fudged the numbers anyways, so it doesn’t really matter WHAT the data/graphs say. Bad politics must be illuminated in the brightest fashion possible.

In the mean time in the US Senate Testimony:
http://democrats.science.house.gov/Media/file/Commdocs/hearings/2010/Energy/17nov/Lindzen_Testimony.pdf

Municipal governments and their green councillor are using activists of the Suzuki Foundation – sorry concerned citizens, of course- to help draft climate action plans that are for the moment presented as voluntary but in fact at a 2015 horizon will become mandatory with retrofitting obligations and fines for no-compliance.
Check your own municipality, recognize the names -unelected greens- compare them with Suzuki Foundation activists, see how infiltrated they are and how they are preparing to shave your dollars in the name of GHG limitation!

Canada P.M. Stephen Harper in question period today, quote:
“It sets irresponsible targets, doesn’t lay out any measure of achieving them other than … by shutting down sections of the Canadian economy and throwing hundreds of thousands and possibly millions of people out of work,” Harper said. “Of course, we will never support such legislation.”
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/11/17/senate-climate-bill.html#ixzz15bTW0KNn
Also check out the video here…. Harper comes on at about 3 minutes
http://www.cbc.ca/video/player.html?category=News&zone=canada&site=cbc.news.ca&clipid=1648669835

Congrats Canucks. Take it from a Down Souther who has enjoyed the Canadian Sunset for more than 50 years you may or may not want to replace your “House of Lords” with an elected Senate. It took us more than a century to enact the 17th Amendment in April 1913 to get away from appointed Senators to elected Senators. The change from appointment to election brings benefits such as orderly transition from on social epoc to another. No more stodgy “in my day….” oratory, but not too fast of changes. An elected Senate may help tackle the indigenous “separate but equal” status of the Quebec; a more problem solving mentality with more currently aware Senators. Maybe a reconstituted elected Senate may offer another avenue for priminister leadership potential. None the less, Canada is better off now than in the era of myopic Defenbacher, and you sure helped us a lot during the tumultuous Iran Theocracy Revolution. Hmmm. An elected Senate vs the current Canadian version of an appointed House of Lords.

very good

I love the result, but not the method.
Unelected politicians struck down something that elected politicians passed. But maybe that says something about why we still have the senate.

Michael says:
November 17, 2010 at 11:20 am
Greek PM Says it at Last: Carbon Taxes are Just Another Way to Raise Revenue
If Carbon Tax is refused, Europe clearly needs Salt Tax. Ocean salinification has already gone too far. It is undeniable, seawater simply fails to be fresh, anywhere. And.. wait.. infamous salt deniers like Gandhi were always paid by Big Salt, weren’t they?

Fishmarket says: “While we are busy fiddling like, ‘nothing is happening’, the living world is out of here.
How does climate change tie in with this? ”
Point is the science seems to be settled in the warmist point of view, however that cannot be further from the truth.
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/oct2010/2010-10-26-01.html

Vince Causey says:
November 17, 2010 at 1:42 pm

Politicians representing the voice of the majority of the people? You must have read some primer on democracy written for third graders. Do the terms lobbyist, rent seeker, patronage and gesture politics mean anything to you?
In the US, the Tea Partyers sure told those elected representatives whose voices they were representing. And it certainly wasn’t the American people. If the house of commons, in your view, is representing the voice of the Canadian people, then the Senators must be guilty of protecting the Canadian people from the Canadian people.
Funny thing democracy.

I am not so naive to think that the system works just as it should, that there are not underhanded dealings and such that take place. But that doesn’t mean that the current system should be abused. If we want to reform it, I am all for that. We can hopefully do that through our vote.
Abuse of the system isn’t something that should be tolerated, or cheered as so many seem to be doing here.
We elected those officials to be our voice. We can whine and complain all we want (provided you voted of course), but like it or lump it, they are who we the people chose to represent us. If you don’t like it, vote for someone else. You have that right, but no one should have the right to abuse the system we live in just because you don’t agree with others.

A robust sign of intelligence in planet Earth!

One of the worst parts of this legislation is that no one even knew what regulations would spring from it. The Bill was one of those “Framework” Acts that the Government has become fond of in the past decade. It is like an undecorated Christmas tree. You start adding “decorations” (ie regulations) AFTER the Bill has passed. All you need to do is print them in the Canada Gazette. You do not need to put them through the House of Commons or the Senate.
How are businesses and individuals supposed to be able to plan their long-term energy use under such circumstances?
I have already installed a high-efficeincy gas furnace, installed those twisty lightbulbs and take the bus to work. There’s not much left to cut, but somehow I was supposed to reduce my emissions by another 80%?
And if I don’t what then?
Fines?
Prison???
Maybe the supporters of this Bill figure with all Canadians sitting in cold, lightless (no oil, gas or coal, no electricity except on windy days) prison cells, we could finally meet our “international climate obligations.”

Anthony, May I bring to your attention a follow up on this story as reported by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. In Canadian terms this article is unprecedented.
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2010/11/18/greg-weston-climate-change-bill.html#socialcomments

Mr Cripwell-
I clicked that link and was stunned- The CBC? reported the TRUTH?!
holy hanna what’s up with that?!