Over at the Air Vent, Jeff Id has a very interesting story by Roddy Campbell, and in particular one graph that struck me as thought provoking. When I first saw it, these two stories immediately came to mind:
Breaking: NASA GISS Dr. James Hansen – arrested yet again
Dr. James Hansen of NASA GISS arrested
You see, Dr. Hansen of NASA GISS, has been using his position to protest the use of coal in America. That’s certainly his right. But, since his concern is global CO2 produced by coal, is he really being effective by protesting here? It seems that he should think locally, but act globally. Have a look at this graph and see if you think he’s making any difference in the places coal is being used the most:
Now have a look at this graph and narrative I found from the same source as the one above.
What the chart doesn’t tell you is the composition of each country’s energy consumption. While many are aware the US is a heavy user of oil, there is less attention paid to China’s heavy use of coal. Let’s compare the two, shall we? Oil in the US represents nearly 39% of total energy use from all sources. But in China, oil barely represents 19% of total energy use. Most important of all: China’s coal use is four times its oil use.
Dr. Hansen, I’ll gladly take up a collection here for you to buy you a round trip ticket to any place in China you wish to go and protest, in the same manner you have done here in the USA. Just say the word.
Read the rest at the Air Vent here, and be sure to have a look at the graph showing China’s plan for airport expansion.
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China, India, Brazil, many other developing countries can grow faster, create more jobs and lift more of its people from poverty with cheaper energy prices. When people are wealthier, they tend to have cleaner environment and less pollution. The anti-coal, anti-cheap energy activities by the warmers is also an anti-development, anti-poverty campaign.
Yes but… China is a ‘developing country’ – isn’t it OK for them to be heavy polluters?
The Australian politicians via the MSM keep telling us that we have the highest per capita CO2 emmissions in the world and we should be doing something about it (like a CPRS – Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme – I love that little acronym :-}). Besides we are going to fix the problem by putting a super profits tax on the miners who supply a lot of the coal to China – that’ll slow ’em down a bit!
James
This involves a projection of regional coal consumption from 1990 to 2030 with all of the problems entailed, but is interesting………
http://photos.mongabay.com/09/coal_1990-2030.jpg
Well, in this case, let us hope that we (the realists, a.k.a “deniers”) are indeed correct, because there really isn’t any turning around. Talk people slowly becoming accustomed to prosperity out of there newly found lifestyles. Then come back to me and tell me what they say when you tell them electricity will destroy their futures.
Oh yes, I mean “…the warmers is also an anti-development, pro-poverty campaign.” Thanks MJ. The ecological socialists and their global ecological central planning agenda is really evil.
I’ve read a couple of projections regarding coal consumption by US DoE and IEA… they’re supposed to know about these things, right? Both forecast CO2 emissions growth by 30-40 % by 2030, due mainly to increased coal use by developing countries.
In order just to maintain 2010 global status quo emissionwise, the US, EU and Japan would have to cut down their emissions to zero in 20 years. I don’t see it happening.
I can’t really blame developing countries for burning the coal. India has 400 million people without electricity.
“Dr. Hansen, I’ll gladly take up a collection here for you to buy you a round trip ticket to any place in China… “
Can’t we make that a one way ticket? I’m sure you’d get a even bigger response 😉
“JacobusZeno says:
November 15, 2010 at 12:14 am”
That is correct. Per capita, we do (Australians – OK, I am an import, a volunteer import, I didn’t steal a loaf of bread) “pollute” more. Using a per capita figure is misleading when comparing 1.4billion people to 21million, but it SOUNDS more scary.
As we say in Scotland: “Get it right up ye Dr Hansen”.
“Can’t we make that a one way ticket? I’m sure you’d get a even bigger response ;-)”
Half of one way sounds even better…
“Dr. Hansen, I’ll gladly take up a collection here for you to buy you a round trip ticket to any place in China… “
…But then again, I don’t suppose the phrase “Chinese gulag” holds much appeal for you?
Please don’t wrap India together with China here. India’s total coal consumption grew from 388134 to 680873 thousand ton between 1999 and 2009 while China went from 1305219 to 3308653 thousand ton, or 500% more then India.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/cfapps/ipdbproject/iedindex3.cfm?tid=1&pid=1&aid=2&cid=&syid=1999&eyid=2009&unit=TST
The US went from 1038647 to 10008424 thousand ton over the same 10 years, or about 30% of China and declining.
Oops, the US consumed 1000424 thousand ton of coal in 2009.
Surely it would be a waste of money getting James Hansen a round-trip China ticket? In China he would get locked up for so long everyone will have forgotten who he is. A one-way ticket would be plenty enough.
Geoff Alder
Usual suspects….
http://www.glebedigital.co.uk/Usual_SuspectsSmall3.jpg
No no no…. the whole point about China is that WE have to set the example. We can’t expect them to change if we don’t set a shining bright successful example.
It is all explained in the book, What About China?
Remember, YOU have the power to make a difference! Don’t wait for the world’s politicians, especially those from other countries, to do it for you. That would NOT EMPOWER YOU.
YOU need to be EMPOWERED.
I BELIEVE THAT YOU, NEO, ARE THE ONE.
I suspect if Hansen did the same in China as he has done in the US, he’d be in jail for a long time, and that might not even have to include protesting.
Exactly why are the skeptics being hit up for a plane fare? Would not the best strategy be for the warmists to put up a few bucks to send him?
Oh, I forgot. They are adamant about doing stuff to save the environment as long as the stuff doesn’t come out of their pockets. Actually I think the way it works is they are the ones to take stuff out of our pockets to put it in different pockets that can be painted green. Problem being that the green pockets wind up with some stuff in them, its not very good stuff, and there’s always some stuff missing because someone stuffed their own pockets with it.
The UK Government has just passed the Climate Change Act – the most lunatic piece of suicidal legislation any government has ever passed. True, it is the legacy of the Labour Closet Communist Party, but the current coaition hasn’t actually thought through the result of attempting to reduce CO2 emmissions by 80% (Yes, that’s right!) by 2020.
I wonder if the Greenpeace, Fiends of the Earth supporting parasites on their Social Service benefits realise that once they complete making the UK an energy free zone – their ‘benefits’ will also cease.
I was under the impression that it was illegal in the US for government employees to undertake such protesting. Seems OK for Hansen though.
If Hansen went to China to protest it would be a one way ticket. They might insist he stay- in one of their lovely prisons.
What do mean buy him a plane ticket! Jim wouldn’t fly because it is to big a carbon footprint.
I wonder what China’s reserves of natural gas amount to. They will develop the infrastructure to deliver it to domestic and commercial consumers eventually.
Seems MS Gillard will charge ahead with a carbon pollution reduction scheme with the resulting and continuing export of jobs, and coal/gas, from and the import of taxes to Australia.
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/gillard-bent-on-climate-policies-despite-obamas-decision-20101114-17sri.html
Insane.
The Gray Monk says: November 15, 2010 at 2:29 am
Don’t worry – we’ve actually got until 2050 for the 80% cut. As long as we delay the shutdown until 2049 it probably won’t effect me too much..
Dr. Hansen, I’ll gladly take up a collection here for you to buy you a round trip ticket to any place in China you wish to go and protest at, in the same manner you have done here in the USA. Just say the word.
Anthony, a Hansen round trip ticket does not work for me. Organize a one-way ticket to China and I will contribute what I can to send him first class on the first available flight.