Sea Ice News #23, plus a bonus NOAA sea ice blunder

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This week, I suppose the best word to describe the status of Arctic sea ice would be “uncertainty”. I alluded to this uncertainty (due to weather) in Sea Ice News 22 saying:

While the vagaries of wind and weather can still produce an about-face, indications are that the 2010 Arctic sea ice melt season may have turned the corner, earlier than last year.

By all indications it certainly looked like we reached a minimum, the extent data went up for three days straight and  NSIDC officially called the minimum on 9/15:

The Arctic sea ice cover appears to have reached its minimum extent for the year. It was the third-lowest extent recorded since satellites began measuring minimum sea ice extent in 1979. This year’s minimum extent fell below the 2009 minimum extent and above the minimum extents in 2008 and 2007.

Then defying even the experts, it started back down again.

The only thing that has gone down and stayed down this past week is Arctic temperature above 80°N as seen in this DMI plot:

Source: http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

The good news is that Arctic Ice extent has not gone below the 2008 value yet, and seems to be making a slight turn up again:

click to enlarge

Here’s a zoomed view:

Here’s the most recent JAXA data, including the preliminary Sept 19th data, which will be updated again at 8AM PST Sept 20th.

Source: http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

09,01,2010,5332344

09,02,2010,5304219

09,03,2010,5245625

09,04,2010,5192188

09,05,2010,5136094

09,06,2010,5093281

09,07,2010,5027188

09,08,2010,4989375

09,09,2010,4972656

09,10,2010,4952813

09,11,2010,4986406

09,12,2010,5005000

09,13,2010,5008750

09,14,2010,4998594

09,15,2010,4948438

09,16,2010,4890938

09,17,2010,4842031

09,18,2010,4813594

09, 19,2010, 4822500

Source: http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/plot.csv

The US Navy Ice Thickness forecast plot shows that we still have a lot of 2 and 3 meter thick ice, but that it is mainly concentrated near Northern Canada and Greenland:

Source: http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/pips2/archive/

What I find most interesting though is the wind driven sea ice displacement plots. For example this one from the NAVY PIPS output:

The strongest vectors of the wind driven displacement are where the NAVY PIPS thickness plot show the greatest areas of thickness, Northern Canada near Ellesmere Island and Northern Greenland.

An overlay of the thickness and wind driven displacement vectors shows where the ice is being pushed to. The longest vectors show the greatest displacement in the direction of the arrow:

While the graphic overlay I made is not a perfect match, it is very close.

Since in the first temperature graphic from DMI, it is clear that average temperatures at 80°N and above are well below the freezing point of saltwater/seawater, which is approximately 271.15 kelvin (-2°C) See the line I’ve added below in magenta.

And that the majority of the remaining arctic ice is at 80°N or above in latitude, as seen in the PIPS map above and backed up by this map from UUIC/Cryosphere Today:

It suggests that like in 2007, wind is a more significant factor in sea ice depletion than from melting, especially this past week where the DMI temperature drop shows well below freezing point of sea ice temperature at 80°N and above.

WUWT regulars may recall I reported on this NASA JPL study that suggests winds may play a key role in pushing Arctic sea ice into lower latitudes where it melts. The author suggests winds may be the dominant factor in the 2007 record low ice extent:

Nghiem said the rapid decline in winter perennial ice the past two years was caused by unusual winds. “Unusual atmospheric conditions set up wind patterns that compressed the sea ice, loaded it into the Transpolar Drift Stream and then sped its flow out of the Arctic,” he said. When that sea ice reached lower latitudes, it rapidly melted in the warmer waters.

Interestingly we can now watch this actually happen thanks to an animation of AMSER-E satellite 89Ghz sounder images. Koji Shimada of JAMSTEC (Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology ). See the animation below (note- size is 7.1 MB, this may take awhile to fully load):

arctic_amsr-e_flow_animation-40
Greenland is in the upper right, Alaska lower right

If you want more detail, a full sized Video animation is available here as a flash video or here as an AVI file (highest quality 7.3 MB)  A hat tip to WUWT commenter Bill and to Thomas Homer-Dixon for this video.

What is interesting about this video is that you can watch sea ice being flushed out of the Arctic sea and pushed along Greenland’s east coast, where it then finds its way into warmer waters and melts. Also note how in the lower right, in the Beaufort sea, older multiyear ice gets fractured and broken up as winds and currents stress it.

While indeed we can watch some of the Arctic sea “melt in place” during this animation in the fall of 2007, we can also see that winds and currents are a significant contributor to breaking up the sea ice and transporting it to warmer latitudes.

I’m hoping JAXA will produce a similar video for the 2010 melt season.

UPDATE: Ron de Haan reports in comments this finding below. He says “sea ice has grown”. It sure looks like thickness has increased, doesn’t it?

He notes this from Pierre Gosselin’s No Tricks Zone. Pierre writes:

But now take a look at the following chart that compares September 1 ice to September 18 ice. Which would you prefer to be standing on?

These charts are taken from: http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/cgi-bin/seaice-monitor.cgi

Which ice looks thicker?

Don’t sweat the ice area statistics. The thickness is much greater today, and we could even say the volume is likely more.  Arctic temperatures above 80°N have been colder this summer and September. The ice area will rebound quickly, of course. I projected a 5.75 million sq km min. for 2011 a couple weeks back. I’m sticking to it.

BONUS:

Finally, WUWT readers may recall that earlier in the week, I caught NOAA saying that 2010 was the “second lowest extent on record” when it wasn’t, and with the help of Dr. Walt Meier of NSIDC got them to correct that blunder.

The screencap of the NOAA Environmental Visualization Laboratory also had another apparent error on it. Note the ice depicted withing the red “Average Extent 1979-2009” line below.

A number of WUWT readers pointed out that the presentation was biased and it appears that the ice edge was based on a 90% or greater extent, and not the 15% everyone else in the sea ice business uses. I fired off another letter to Walt Meier on the issue, but I never heard anything concrete back from him on the issue. But, it appears the message got through one way or another.

Now have a look at that web page today:

Notice anything different? Here’s the blink comparator of the before and after sea ice extent visualization image. NOTE: You may have to click on it if not blinking in your browser.

Click for a larger image if not blinking

Looks like somebody at NOAA had to fess up to the fact that what they were presenting earlier in the week was grossly biased in the way it presented Arctic sea ice extent, making it look like there was far less ice than there actually is.

Again I ask, why is it us bloggers and members of the public are the ones that have to keep pointing these things out? Maybe we should be the ones getting compensated for our time.

To the credit of the NOAA Vizualation Lab, they fixed the problems we pointed out to them, and reasonably quickly. My thanks to Dr. Walt Meier of NSIDC for his help. Compare the response this week to that of Dr. Mike Mann with his still inverted Tiljander proxies and stations with messed up latitude and longitude that are still in his supplemental data years later, after numerous people have pointed it out.

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September 19, 2010 6:50 pm

FYI: the blink comparator isn’t blinking
REPLY: sometimes, depending on your browser, you have to click on it to get it to go. I’ll add a note. – Anthony

R. de Haan
September 19, 2010 7:03 pm
Bill Illis
September 19, 2010 7:14 pm

How do we know it is 22% below average.
Well, we don’t know because nobody knows what the sea ice extent average is for September 15th from 1979 to 2009.
Jaxa shows it is currently lower than the 2003 to 2009 average but that is all we can say. (I might also add that many pro-AGW scientists are not very good at basic math and I have seen this time and again).

savethesharks
September 19, 2010 7:21 pm

Excellent post!

savethesharks
September 19, 2010 7:23 pm

Meanwhile….OT but over from Icecap:
Lisa Jackson, don’t mess with Texas!
http://www.oag.state.tx.us/oagnews/release.php?id=3484
Chris

John F. Hultquist
September 19, 2010 7:26 pm

Over the past two years I have learned that ice on the Arctic Ocean is greatest in about March and least in about September. The minimum seems to vary a bit more than the maximum. Winds, ocean currents, and temperature vary from year to year and so does the ice. It may take several years for a major loss to be replaced but a full basin can be rapidly depleted when winds and ocean currents break up the ice and flush it from the Arctic Ocean. The growth and decline of ice appears to have been happening much like this for a few hundred years and while the maximum ice amount is constrained by the size of the ocean the minimum can be assumed to be zero, however, unlikely that is. The North Pole being ice free is symbolic but of little interest otherwise as winds can force ice from the center of the Ocean. There is nothing in the historical record nor in current measurements to suggest the Arctic Ocean will actually reach zero ice or close to it, nor for how many days or weeks. There is nothing to suggest that it would not start to refreeze. There is no information to suggest a global catastrophe if it were mostly or completely ice free for a few days or weeks. A new glaciation would remove water from the oceans and store it on land in solid form. The Arctic Ocean level would drop. If there are studies about what this would mean for the Arctic region – I have not seen them.

R. de Haan
September 19, 2010 7:33 pm

The past comes a live:
Archeological finds indicate a much warmer Arctic not too long ago.
“What remains clear from these examples is that past climate was clearly warmer, with less ice, both in glaciers and in the Arctic, not long ago. One more clear indication of the hockey stick fraud (they hided the decline before 1400, remember?), and that the warming we are experiencing today is not abnormal, even in recent times…”
http://ecotretas.blogspot.com/2010/09/past-comes-alive.html

savethesharks
September 19, 2010 7:39 pm

Bill Illis says:
September 19, 2010 at 7:14 pm
How do we know it is 22% below average.
Well, we don’t know because nobody knows what the sea ice extent average is for September 15th from 1979 to 2009.
==================================
Excellent point!
And nobody DEFINITELY knows what the sea ice extent average is for September 15th from….1879 through 1978.
Or from, lets say, randomly, 1970 – 1978.
Or from 2007 BC through 2007 AD LOL.
How in the hell do they KNOW what “22% below average” really means?
The answer is they don’t.
But that doesn’t stop the primitive “fight or flight” mechanism…mostly “flight” when it comes to the CAGW crowd…from wriggling its way into
scientific argument and into NOAA press releases.
The sky is falling. The sky is falling. The ice is melting.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

DocMartyn
September 19, 2010 7:43 pm

just why should we believe any of they numbers they are supplying?
Seriously, they WANT the numbers to go, and down they will go. Previous data will be reanalyzed and the amount of ice cover in the past will increase.

AJB
September 19, 2010 7:49 pm

JAMSTEC video excellent. Thanks Anthony.

Ralph Dwyer
September 19, 2010 7:59 pm

I am in the process of moving to Texas; because, if you want to mess with Texas, it will be even more problematical because I’m there. Just remember all you collectivists, Texas was the only Republic to join the union (lower case intended). And you need Texas more than Texas needs you!

AJB
September 19, 2010 8:01 pm

Pretty much says the same as this …
http://www.aquatic.uoguelph.ca/oceans/ArticOceanWeb/Currents/maincur.htm
REPLY: Thanks for that! Note that the currents in this image near far northern Canada bordering the Arctic Sea

…are reverse to the displacement direction shown in the PIPS map. That’s the distinction.
The way the displacement vectors are going now, they are aiding the injection of ice into the transpolar drift, which pushes the ice southward to melt in warmer latitudes.
– Anthony

AJB
September 19, 2010 8:13 pm

Preliminary JAXA 15% Extent for 19th = 4822500, a minor loss of 8906 on yesterday.

AJB
September 19, 2010 8:23 pm

Sorry, that should say minor GAIN of 8906.

dp
September 19, 2010 8:32 pm

Until somebody can jot down what the extent should be I don’t see any reason to wonder what it is. If anyone can explain why extent this time of year when little sunlight hits the surface, is important (you know, the albedo argument), again, watts the big deal? And if anyone thinks I’m going to care about the 1979-2009 average, get another think. That is a very short time frame and we really don’t know what it tells us. Not enough data.
One interesting thing in the extent graphs – the rate of change going up or down (slope of the curves) is pretty consitant over time, the big difference being when in the year a particular extent value is reached. The timing is different every year, the max/min values are different every year, and except for outliers, the trend is what one would expect – because we don’t know what normal is. Any trend is as good as another.
The only significant thing going on is in the sun. It’s disrupting the climate. People notice those things. I expect the folks in Washington are already putting the polish on the new solar disruption – so dangerous it’s even reversed global warming. That is going to need investigating.

Chuck
September 19, 2010 8:38 pm

Measuring since 1979, are they? What are they confirming?
Elections are near here in the USA. Bloodless takeover there could be.
Climate gate hearings in the summer we may see.
Time to get the facts straight.

JK
September 19, 2010 8:40 pm

I agree we can just ignore this down-tick. It’s just wind, and some weather, and it really doesn’t mean anything.

JK
September 19, 2010 8:45 pm

Uh, I am wondering though why the difference between PIPS and Cryosphere Today images, where PIPS has thick ice on the north side of Spitsbergen and C.T. has no ice?
REPLY: one is a model forecast output (PIPS), the other is a satellite sensor rendered image. I would not expect them to match perfectly. – Anthony

Pamela Gray
September 19, 2010 8:56 pm

The Earth is not aware what day it is. It is absolutely silly to compare this day with last year on the same day. This kind of comparison within a weather driven chaotic, as well as oscillating and seasonal system has no meaning whatsoever. I much prefer the running three month average for all weather related data, if indeed you want to average it at all.

REPLY:
Pam, not sure what you are referring to, but if it is the polar ice images from Pierre, they are both from Sept 2010 – Anthony

pat
September 19, 2010 8:56 pm

blundering along in the MSM:
20 Sept: Australian from UK Times: Tony Halpin: Russia jostles for pole position as Arctic melts
IT is a question that could provoke a new Cold War as global warming opens up the possibility of exploiting vast new energy reserves: Who owns the Arctic?
Vladimir Putin opens an international conference on the future of the Arctic on Wednesday, the latest sign of the Kremlin’s determination to establish itself as the dominant northern power…
But with glaciers and sea ice melting in the Arctic at twice the rate of other parts of the world, the diplomatic temperature is rising over the future of this 21st-century Klondike…
The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration forecast that Arctic sea ice could disappear completely by 2030 in the summer months….
Moscow also argues that it is willing to seek negotiated compromise, pointing to last week’s agreement with Norway that ended a 40-year border dispute in the Barents Sea and the Arctic Ocean…
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/russia-jostles-for-pole-position-as-arctic-melts/story-e6frg6so-1225926701860

wayne
September 19, 2010 8:59 pm

“Maybe we should be the ones getting compensated for our time.”
Hear, hear!

R. de Haan
September 19, 2010 9:14 pm

Let’s face the facts made clear by the animated video:
The Arctic basin is one huge ice machine that is flushed on a regular basis by wind and currents. Ice melt within the basin is seasonal and not significant.

John F. Hultquist
September 19, 2010 9:14 pm

AJB and Anthony’s reply at 8:01
The description given for this map at the link is a bit confusing:
“As the West Greenland current approaches Davis Strait, it joins the Labrador Current, and then continues northward into Baffin Bay where it cools down dramatically.”
Only the map doesn’t show that. This one (of the same series) does:
http://www.aquatic.uoguelph.ca/oceans/ArticOceanWeb/Currents/frontpagecur.htm
Best to look at and read them all.

savethesharks
September 19, 2010 9:17 pm

Pamela Gray says:
September 19, 2010 at 8:56 pm
The Earth is not aware what day it is. It is absolutely silly to compare this day with last year on the same day.
========================
I get what you are saying in principle.
But, taking issue here, the Earth very well might “know” when it has made a complete revolution around the Sun.
So making annual comparisons is not completely meaningless.
Chris

ES
September 19, 2010 9:26 pm

Dr Frederick A. Cook is believed to be the first person to discover the western flow in 1908. Several others had found the eastern flow before that. When the explorers tried to get to the pole from Greenland they would have several days where the ice drifted south more than they walked north. They then started leaving from Ellesmere Island and today most trips from North American side start from Ward Hunt Island.
From Smithsonian:
The return trip almost did them in.
Cook, like other Arctic explorers of the day, had assumed that anyone returning from the pole would drift eastward with the polar ice. However, he would be the first to report a westerly drift- after he and his party were carried 100 miles west of their planned route, far from their supplies they had cached on land. …
Page two:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/Cook-vs-Peary.html?c=y&page=2

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