Hurricane Julia explodes — Atlantic has two coincident Category 4 hurricanes, very rare

UPDATE 5 AM AST: Second time in 100-years two coincident Category 4’s in the Atlantic…together, Igor and Julia have the highest coincident intensities on record.

Two major hurricanes exist simultaneously in the North Atlantic, a rare occurrence.  With the current intensities (110 knots +) of Julia and Igor, this has only happened 3-times in the past 60-years:  1950 [Dog & Easy], 1958 [Helene & Ilsa], and 1999 [Floyd & Gert].  But Igor and Julia are both very powerful major hurricanes, they are Category 4’s.

  • Unprecedented:  in our North Atlantic historical records, the forecast intensities of Igor and Julia during the next 12-24 hours will be unprecedented for coincident storms.  The only other time (we know of) coincident Category 4+ hurricanes occurred was in 1926 with Hurricane #4 and the Great Miami Hurricane (September 26 at 06:00 UTC).
  • More:  At 115 knots +, Hurricane Julia is the most intense storm that far in the Eastern Atlantic [-31.8W] joining other major hurricane east of -35W including Frances 1980 and Fred 2009.
  • Early morning September 15: 12-hour forecasts indicate a maximum intensity of 120 knots for Julia and 130 knots for Igor. Two coincident Category 4 hurricanes have not occurred since 1950.  The only occurrence since 1900 happened on September 15, 1926 at 06Z with Hurricane 4 [115 knots] and the Great Miami Hurricane [120 knots].
  • Thus, Igor and Julia will attain have attained coincident intensities that are unprecedented:  Igor:  130 knots & Julia: 115 knots.

Hurricane Julia has rapidly intensified during the morning hours of September 15, blowing up to Category 3 + (110 knots).  Meanwhile, closer to the USA mainland, Igor was packing 135 knot winds, just the smallest of margins weaker than Category 5.  Need 136 knots, but the NHC issues advisories in increments of 5 knots.  If Igor does not break the Category 5 plateau, it is possible a post-season re-analysis will bump the storm into the most extreme Saffir-Simpson category.

ACE has really picked up:  90 as of 00Z September 15… [note the Western Pacific is 83% below normal].

Coincident major hurricanes (96 knots +) in the Atlantic basin have not occurred very often since 1950.  To ferret out the occurrences, we need to go into the best-track database.

From the HURDAT best-track database, which I have put into a easily digestible form here:  Atlantic storm listing, it is trivial with a quick UNIX/Linux command prompt:

cat hurdat_1850_2009 | awk ‘($1 >= 1950 && $8 >= 100) {print $4}’ | sort -n -k 1,1 | uniq -d

1950090406 – 1950090518

1951090712 – 1951090800

1955091806 – 1955091900

1958092618 – 1958092800

1961091112 – 1961091200

1964090918 – 1964091000

1969081806 – 1999091500

1999091506 – 1999091512

But Julia is at 110 knots and Igor at 135 knots.  Let’s then see the occurrences of 110 knots+ for two hurricanes:

1950090412

1950090418

1950090500

1958092700

1958092706

1999091506

Only 6 time-instances in the best-track since 1950!

Here are the particulars for those events:

YEAR, #, BASIN, DATE, STAGE, LAT, LON, Wind Speed (knots)

1999 09  NA 1999091506 TS  28.20  -78.50 110

1999 10  NA 1999091506 TS  17.40  -47.90 110

1958 08  NA 1958092700 TS  31.70  -78.10 110

1958 09  NA 1958092700 TS  21.40  -61.20 115

1958 08  NA 1958092706 TS  32.40  -78.50 110

1958 09  NA 1958092706 TS  21.90  -61.30 110

1950 03  NA 1950090500 ET 39.70  -56.80 55

1950 04  NA 1950090500 TS  23.40  -67.70 140

1950 05  NA 1950090500 TS  27.90  -83.10 110

1950 03  NA 1950090418 TS  38.40  -58.10 65

1950 04  NA 1950090418 TS  22.90  -67.20 135

1950 05  NA 1950090418 TS  28.00  -83.80 110

1950 03  NA 1950090412 TS  37.80  -58.80 70

1950 04  NA 1950090412 TS  22.60  -66.80 135

1950 05  NA 1950090412 TS  27.40  -83.20 110

Early September 15, Julia was at 110 knots, Igor at 135 knots, and Karl at 40 knots.

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Reply to  Ryan Maue
September 14, 2010 11:42 pm

This historical note might be worthy of a new thread.
[yes, if the 5 AM AST advisory indicates strengthening, which I suspect it will]
[going to ask Drudge to link, prepare for bandwidth]
REPLY: Bandwidth is no issue, I have wordpress.com cloud computing behind WUWT, bring it!
-Anthony

Reply to  Anthony Watts
September 15, 2010 12:45 am

Ryan I made a small formatting change, thanks for this post!

the_Butcher
September 14, 2010 11:53 pm

Is this ‘Unbelievable’ because it has happened 3 times in the last 50 years (and who knows how many more times prior to that?)

September 15, 2010 12:03 am

where’s my plywood?
oh wait Im in SF
Cool Ryan you must be stoked!
ryan: [i’m in Monterey enjoying the same fog banks as you]

tallbloke
September 15, 2010 12:06 am

It’s certainly been windy in the UK overnight. One of the plastic chairs on my patio was on its side this morning.

September 15, 2010 12:09 am

And each one of these storms sucks heat out of the ocean and sends it on its way.
Hmmm…let’s hope they are fish storms but I would stack an extra cord of firewood on the off chance that absent heat plus La Nina equals one very, very cold winter.

maksimovich
September 15, 2010 12:23 am

In the SH the Polar front jet has meandered up to around 40s a big antarctic blast into the mid latitudes.
http://squall.sfsu.edu/gif/jetstream_sohem_00.gif
ryan: just wait for the Arctic blast behind Igor during the next 5-7 days over the Northern half of the US and Canada. Time to harvest your tomatoes…

Natsman
September 15, 2010 12:30 am

Something else for the warmista to blame on AGW…

tonyb
Editor
September 15, 2010 12:31 am

Ryan (excitedly) said;
“Unbelievable: in our North Atlantic historical records, the forecast intensities of Igor and Julia during the next 12-24 hours will be unprecedented for coincident storms. The only time coincident Category 4+ occurred was in 1926 with Hurricane #4 and the Great Miami Hurricane (September 26 at 06:00 UTC).”
You forgot to insert the words ‘short’ before the phrase ‘North Atlantic historical records’ and the words ‘observed’ as well. As Tom Fuller points out there is much better observation these days that goes together with better (official) recording of events.
I suggest you read Hubert Lambs book ‘Historic Storms of the North Sea, British Isles and Northwest Europe’ which although not directly related to the area you describe nevertheless gives us a good insight into past storm activity.
tonyb
ryan: i’m well aware of the issues with the best-track, in the Atlantic, Pacific, and globally, i recall publishing something on it a few years ago… i wrote a whole dissertation on intense extratropical storms, and am aware of the Lambs book. Sometimes u need to just put the skepticism aside and simply look in wonder at what nature does all on its own…

tonyb
Editor
September 15, 2010 12:46 am

Ryan
Can you help me out here please? The Saffir Simpson scale for categorising Hurricanes was only introduced in 1970.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_Hurricane_Scale
How do we therefore retrospectively categorise Hurricanes that existed prior to this new standard?
ryan: simply according to the maximum recorded wind speed in the best-track database.

September 15, 2010 12:59 am

I have no idea if this will come across or not and even if it does, you may not want to show it. If not just delete. This is a screen capture of my OSXplanet screen. I am not sure where the program gets its data from but storms are supposed to be updated every three hours.[no link or attachment . . . b.mod]

Pete
September 15, 2010 1:20 am

“ryan: just wait for the Arctic blast behind Igor during the next 5-7 days over the Northern half of the US and Canada. Time to harvest your tomatoes…”
Just checking I have this right. Are we expecting the jet stream to be sucked southerly by these storms, a bit like the “ox bow” loop that came southerly last winter?
And is this a good model to follow that progression?
http://www.stormsurfing.com/cgi/display_alt.cgi?a=glob_250
If not, could someone recommend a similar animation type display. Thanks.

September 15, 2010 1:23 am

tonyb says:
I suggest you read Hubert Lambs book ‘Historic Storms of the North Sea, British Isles and Northwest Europe’ …

Oh yes, such good advice! Enjoy the wind in your hair right now, but whenever you feel sucked into the present, just open up a Hubert Lamb. It’s a pity the picture quality was so poor but the text rewards. That man is a giant of climate history obscured (as a sceptic) by the present scare of our supposed un-precendent-ed climate. He’s got the the grand scope, the big-picture-in-the-small in that marvellously British sober and nuanced story telling.
Meanwhile in our small picture we have passed a SOI mile record of 2.5 years, and so with IOD still in neg, the deluge of the great southern land looks set to continue into our temperate spring and the southern flip of the tropical monsoon….
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/

September 15, 2010 1:26 am

Nice picture:
http://oiswww.eumetsat.org/IPPS/html/MSG/RGB/AIRMASS/FULLRESOLUTION/index.htm
BTW
The graphic file
http://oiswww.eumetsat.org/IPPS/html/MSG/RGB/AIRMASS/FULLRESOLUTION/IMAGESDisplay/l9NSHszWShFUy
seen on the HTML page is NOT recognized by Firefox! (The name changes every hour.)
Try to open the EUMETSAT files in Firefox and Opera browsers. Opera is able to open it without problem, Firefox see it as binary file and wants to save it. Probably the moronic Firefox comes from “Windows School of Doing Things in 1995”, where type of file is read from file extension instead of first few bytes of a file. Pathetic.
Regards

September 15, 2010 1:31 am

Follow up to EUMETSAT picture.
There is a note above the picture window: Zoom: SHIFT key pressed and Drag on the image. Make use of it as the picture is much bigger than the image window on EUMETSAT html page.

Steven mosher
September 15, 2010 1:33 am

Ryan are you gunna stay up all night and watch storm tracks
ryan: waiting for 5 AM AST advisories to update the post. i have work at Navy Lab in morn.

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
September 15, 2010 1:40 am

*ahem*

1 Knot = 1 Nautical Mile per hour
1 Nautical mile = 6076.12 ft. = 1852 m **
1 Statute mile = 1760 yards = 5280 feet
** Definition: [n] a unit of length used in navigation; equivalent to the distance spanned by one minute of arc in latitude; 1,852 meters
1) Also called: international nautical mile, air mile a unit of length, used esp. in navigation, equivalent to the average length of a minute of latitude, and corresponding to a latitude of 45°, i.e. 1852 m (6076.12 ft.)
2) a former British unit of length equal to 1853.18 m (6080 ft.), which was replaced by the international nautical mile in 1970

1 knot = 1.152 miles per hour = 1.85 kilometer per hour
What is this stuff I’ve heard about the US going metric someday (there’s supposed to be a federal law about it) and metric is the system used in the sciences (like meteorology)? And now we’re using obscure seafarer units? How many fathoms deep do storms like this disturb the ocean?

Caleb
September 15, 2010 1:50 am

Measurements of AMO ought show the warm phase cools. Will the warm phase recover, or is this the beginning of the end for the AMO’s warm phase?

John A
September 15, 2010 1:57 am

All of that energy wasted on fish. Its a crime.

Gareth
September 15, 2010 2:01 am

Jay Currie said: “And each one of these storms sucks heat out of the ocean and sends it on its way.”
Like a giant vortex tube.

mike sphar
September 15, 2010 2:10 am

Two Majors and a minor on the Wide screen . Its an amazing site. especially from the Eastern tip of Puerto Rico which is still quite close to the main feature. Next week back to the hurricane safe harbor of Northern Nevada.

George Turner
September 15, 2010 2:21 am

We are all doomed, doomed I say!
Repent, and watch The Weather Channel
<— read a book on the history on the history of The Weather Channel because watching The Weather Channel was just to exciting and stressful.

George Turner
September 15, 2010 2:24 am

[George, check out the guide to WUWT linked on the right side of this page near the top, check out formatting tips ~ ctm]

phlogiston
September 15, 2010 2:24 am

The USA MSM who are panic junkies at the best of times, will go completely hysterical over this. Expect hours on end of a ruggedly heroic Anderson Cooper with hair dramatically flapping in the wind. I wonder if they will evacuate the entire eastern US seaboard?

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
September 15, 2010 2:30 am

For Severe Weather Like This, You Should Have
StormPredator
Keep Track Of The Storms
Receive Personalized Alerts
Know When Severe Weather Is Approaching
Think Of The Children!

(This has been an unsolicited uncompensated recommendation by someone who just happens to think it’s a good thing to have.)

September 15, 2010 2:43 am

OMG! It’s worse than we thought!!

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