I don’t have a lot to say about this, but I would suggest reading the comments over at the Climate Audit thread on the subject.
The acount of Richard Lindzen’s testimony in the report is interesting.
~ charles the moderator
UPDATE: Dr. Mann responds to the news in a video interview below.
H/t to Luboš Motl
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“And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!”
He chortled in his joy.
And what did Bismarck say?
‘Das ist der Mann!’
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/07/01/climategates-death-rattle/
“Hear that choking sound? That’s the dying gasps of Climategate.”
Yeah right Phil, that’s why my rating of Awe for your site dropped to well below zero.
Fascinating comments at Climate Audit. Sooner or later Doctor Mann is going to be nailed.
I’m particularly intrigued by the inclusion of the particular response by Richard Lindzen. There are a couple of theories at CA about it. One was that the blatancy of the putdown is chilling and threatening, the other that the inclusion of his comment was an indirect dig at the first part of the inquiry which dismissed the first three allegations.
I don’t know. It is very odd that it is there. A chunk of grime thrusting through the whitewash.
Next step is Piccola starting an investigation in the state legislature. I can’t wait for the cries of ‘witch hunt’ from the usual suspects.
But wow is the alarmosphere dancing the night away with tom toms, and frenzied dances.
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Mann was judged by a “jury of his peers”.
I find this type of protectionism through out our higher education system of protecting the “old boys club” no matter how terrible the science is.
Science is a joke and only hurting the furtile minds that are absorbing this garbage.
Actual physical evidence is put aside for the current theories that protect the current system. What should be classed as actual science is in a class of psuedo-science and fiction is what we are left with.
Gravity should be classed as a psuedo-science as it is theories with a proxy for an outcome.
Meanwhile centrifigal force is classed as psuedo-science even though actual physical evidence can recreate and measure this.
Is it any wonder science knowledge is limited proxies and models that are incorrect?
Having read the Penn State report, I am left with severe nausea.
Is there any whitewash left for my fence? The pejorative word “stolen” with regard to the CRU emails gives the whole thing away. Sorry Charlie, Mann was a conclusions first, supporting data and manipulation of that data, and analysis of that data using methods to produce his conclusions scientist. I would not trust him to mow my lawn.
I am not at all surprised at Dr Mann being totally exonerated in this report. That is exactly what whitewashes do.
His statistical analysis which came up with the hockey-stick was still rubbish, the hockey stick is nonsense and there is still no empirical evidence that the earth is about to fry to a crisp.
The people at CRU and IPCC and Penn State still acted very unscientifically and they are all covering up their own failures and complicity in wilfully manipulating “evidence” to fit their theory.
This is no big surprise. Keep reporting on the truth and the earth’s natural cooling phase over the next 30 years will finish off these warmists. Mind you, they will probably drag out the next ice age scare thing again…
I am waiting patiently for our litigious friends in the US to take Mann et al to court.
In the meantime, why not a sort of “Scope’s” trial for AGW? It would make for thought-provoking TV and would help clarify the issues for the soap-opera crowd.
The foxes assigned to investigate henhouse violence found no cause for alarm. What a surprise.
Awesome!!!!! A great day for science. 🙂
Ape shall not kill Ape!
The bar for “fraud” is high. The bar for sound science is low. Peer review is pal review. Diogenes is still looking for an honest man…
dorlomin says:
“Awesome!!!!! A great day for
sciencewhitewash. :)”Fixed.
I wonder when the public (typically referred to in the Real Climate blog as “uneducated trolls”) will finally make a logical leap to the only one possible conclusion that all the system for funding the sciences is rigged. Asking committee comprised of academics, this is like asking a peer reviewers selected from the mafia if this particular drug dealer’s activity was in the range of typically accepted practices. Of course, it was from their point of view! All Mr.Mann’s activities were exactly what is accepted and required for generating funding, making publications and receiving tenure. Now, if you ask outside of the mafia, i.e. among layman, then you might get a different answer. However, fist, someone should really explain to the public in all the details of how carriers in modern academia are made. My favorite choice for such alternative review panel comprised of “ordinary” public would be Leo Szilard… Oh shoot, he’s dead! May be Richard Feynman… Also dead! Ok, how about Jerome Ravetz and more people like him. May be then the public will become aware of the fact of how our sciences and engineering academia is misusing enormous amount of funding coming from our tax dollars and of how the education of American students is ignored and of how they are substituted with the students from “third world” who are much more complaint. Well, may be you, Mr. McIntyre, should create a think tank for the sake of public education in this matter. I’ll be willing to help you.
If people like Joe Bastardi and Piers Corbyn are right- The planet is about to have
its way with US-and not warming BTW..
Judith Curry posted over at CA:
“In terms of (internal) process and documentation, this report scores much higher than the UK reports. But the internal committee probably won’t satisfy people in the state of PA, we’ll see. In any event, in terms of formal research misconduct as defined by Penn State (which is a fairly common definition), I don’t think Mann is guilty, particularly during the time period he has been at Penn State (which is relatively short). Issues related to standards of ethics and professional behavior can be discussed, but I am not seeing evidence of any formal research misconduct. Back to a point i’ve made earlier, the real issue is the shenanigans that took place in the preparation and response to reviewers in the IPCC reports. IMO, the blame is on the system and people higher up in that food chain than Mann.”
Well, that just further tars my opinion of “academic research.” So they found him not guilty based on how popular he is (read: how much grant money he brings to Penn State), and worse, based on “a definition that is fairly common”. That leaves me to conclude that they’re saying his conduct is just fine because everyone does it. That’s an argument your kids use when trying to get out of trouble! It’s also fallacious–argumentum ad populum AKA appeal to consensus, which is what the entire AGW house of cards is based on.
Not very stringent codes of conduct then. In other words, they can pretty much do whatever they want and still get away with it.
This is why Mann’s actions at UVA need to be investigated. Most of the really nefarious stuff with the hockey stick took place when he was at UVA and even UMass. He got to Penn State when he was already at the top of the food chain.
After reading the report, I am astounded that the committee wouldn’t allow Lindzen to comment on the first three points, nor does it appear they even bothered to talk to Steve McIntyre. That tells you all you need to know.
“Dr. Mann responds to the news in a video interview”
What an appallingly smug little man. And this is one the best that climate science has to offer, one of its rock stars? Embarrassing.
To Jerry Mead:
No this one isn’t the best. Gavin Schmidt from NASA GISS is the best. In my humble opinion, the second best is Ken Caldeira from Carnegie Institution for Science’s Department of Global Ecology (spreading the sulphuf oxide particles in upper atmosphere to cool down the planet supported by Gates and Bono). Those two are the rock stars. The funny coincidence (?) is that KC was a post-doc at Penn State.
My take: you don’t wait to release something on the Friday before a holiday weekend if you are proud of it and believe it can stand up to scrutiny. Such release timing is usually reserved for something which you hope will draw as little attention as possible and will “go away” quickly.
Mann’s video:
What an unbiased interviewer … “misuse of stolen emails”
We’ve got the egregious Fortran77 error. We have the provable lie about the Excel files. We have the backhanded, but erroneous, defense of the hockey stick(Principal Component standard method and validation of the stick by subsequent studies). We have these five stars on the sidewalk of scientific shame saying that Mann’s funding proves his worth and his popularity proves his ethics. It’s a travesty that we can’t find the missing honesty.
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I found this segment particularly jaw dropping (aside from the overall pat on the head result) – from Dr. Easterling’s testimony:
Emphasis mine – basically, I read this as his position is “we’re special, the regular rules really don’t apply to us, so it’s fine if we make stuff up as we go along, and that’s just fine”.
Mann is only symptomatic of a much, much larger problem if this is the widespread viewpoint amongst the ivory tower set.
The stated logic in the last part of the Mann investigative report is simply stunning. It basically concludes that if Mann had been guilty of misconduct, he wouldn’t have been able to bring in all that research money, received all those prizes and been held in such high professional regard. Therefore, he must be innocent. That brings me to a monumental question:
“Why is Bernie Madoff in prison?”
CH