Blizzard Warning for DC, NYT: “Capital Is Crippled as Blizzard Continues “

Let it snow… let it snow… let it snow…biggest snowstorm since 1922, and still not over.

From the New York Times, a crippled government. Even the post office gave up.

Snow covers a decorative iron fence at the White House in Washington, on Saturday, during a snow storm in the Washington area. Photo: AP.

Snow covers a decorative iron fence at the White House in Washington, on Saturday, during a snow storm in the Washington area. Photo: AP via The Hindu

Capital Is Crippled as Blizzard Continues

By LIZ ROBBINS
Published: February 6, 2010

A winter storm continued its blizzard rage in some parts of the Mid-Atlantic region on Saturday morning, dumping nearly two feet of wet, heavy snow that cut power to about 200,000 residents, caused the roof of a private jet hangar to collapse at Washington Dulles International Airport and forced the nation’s capital into quiet hibernation.

All postal operations in the Washington area, including the suburbs in Northern Virginia and Maryland were canceled on Saturday.

Full story at NYT here

CBS news calls the storm “epic”. See video report below.

From NOAA/NWS

…EXTREMELY DANGEROUS WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS CONTINUE THIS
AFTERNOON AND EVENING FOR THE BALTIMORE-WASHINGTON REGION…EASTERN
PANHANDLE OF WEST VIRGINIA…AND NORTHERN SHENANDOAH VALLEY…

…BLIZZARD CONDITIONS ONGOING IN SOUTHERN MARYLAND…

…POISED TO SET ALL-TIME STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL RECORD FOR
BALTIMORE…

BLIZZARD WARNINGS CONTINUE UNTIL 10 PM FOR MARYLAND EAST OF THE
INTERSTATE 95 CORRIDOR BETWEEN BALTIMORE AND WASHINGTON DC AND WEST
OF THE CHESAPEAKE BAY. WINTER STORM WARNINGS FOR HEAVY SNOW
CONTINUE ELSEWHERE ACROSS THE REGION UNTIL 10 PM.

AT 11:45 AM THIS MORNING…WEATHER OBSERVERS AT BALTIMORE`S THURGOOD
MARSHALL BALTIMORE-WASHINGTON INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT REPORTED 26.5
INCHES OF SNOW ON THE GROUND. THIS IS ONLY 0.3 INCHES SHY OF THE
26.8 INCH RECORD FROM THE PRESIDENTS DAY FEBRUARY 2003 STORM. THE
AIRPORT IS FORECAST TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 3 TO 6 INCHES BEFORE THE
STORM ENDS THIS EVENING. A RECORD REPORT WILL BE ISSUED WHEN THE
RECORD IS REACHED.

GENERALLY…24 TO 32 INCHES OF SNOW HAVE FALLEN ACROSS NORTH OF A
LINE BETWEEN ANNAPOLIS MD TO WASHINGTON DC TO PETERSBURG WV. SOUTH
OF THIS LINE TO CHARLOTTESVILLE VA…APPROXIMATELY 14 TO 20 INCHES
HAVE FALLEN.

AN ADDITIONAL 4 TO 8 INCHES WILL FALL ACROSS THE REGION BEFORE THE
SNOW TAPERS TO FLURRIES LATER THIS EVENING. AREAS SOUTH AND EAST OF
BALTIMORE AND WASHINGTON WILL SEE ACCUMULATIONS AT THE HIGHER END
OF THIS RANGE…ALONG WITH WIND GUSTS TO 35 MPH CREATING BLIZZARD
CONDITIONS.

Blizzard Warning

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC
1002 AM EST SAT FEB 6 2010

DCZ001-MDZ007-011-013-014-062315-
/O.CON.KLWX.BZ.W.0001.000000T0000Z-100207T0300Z/
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA-HARFORD-SOUTHERN BALTIMORE-PRINCE GEORGES-
ANNE ARUNDEL-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WASHINGTON...BALTIMORE...ANNAPOLIS
1002 AM EST SAT FEB 6 2010

...BLIZZARD WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 10 PM EST THIS
EVENING...

A BLIZZARD WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 10 PM EST THIS
EVENING.

* PRECIPITATION TYPE...MODERATE SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...AN ADDITIONAL 4 TO 8 INCHES TODAY WITH TOTAL
  ACCUMULATIONS OF 20 TO 30 INCHES.

* TIMING...MODERATE INTENSITY SNOW BANDS WILL MOVE SOUTHEASTWARD
  THIS MORNING THROUGH EARLY THIS AFTERNOON. SNOW WILL BECOME
  LIGHTER THIS AFTERNOON AND WILL TAPER OFF BY EARLY THIS EVENING.

* VISIBILITIES...VISIBILITIES AS LOW AS ONE-QUARTER TO ONE-HALF
  MILE ARE EXPECTED THROUGH EARLY THIS AFTERNOON.

* TEMPERATURES...TEMPERATURES WILL REMAIN NEAR 30 DEGREES THIS
  MORNING AND WILL FALL INTO THE MID TO UPPER 20S TONIGHT.

* WINDS...NORTHEAST WINDS 15 MPH WITH GUSTS TO 25 MPH THROUGH
  THIS AFTERNOON...ESPECIALLY ALONG THE COAST.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

ALTHOUGH WIND SPEEDS WILL DECREASE THROUGH THE DAY...VISIBILITIES
WILL BE AT OR BELOW ONE-QUARTER MILE AT TIMES IN MODERATE SNOW...
WHICH WILL MAKE TRAVEL VERY DANGEROUS.

A BLIZZARD WARNING MEANS SEVERE WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. FALLING AND BLOWING SNOW WITH STRONG WINDS
AND POOR VISIBILITIES ARE LIKELY.
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139 Responses to Blizzard Warning for DC, NYT: “Capital Is Crippled as Blizzard Continues “

  1. FergalR says:

    Well, at least this Winter’s weather is conforming to NOAA’s prediction:
    “The forecast for the Northeast, the world’s largest heating oil market, will have equal chances of above-normal, near-normal, or below-normal temperatures and precipitation.”

  2. kyle says:

    Once again, this is why you should be taking seriously this NWF report:
    Global Warming Bringing More Oddball Winter Weather – http://bit.ly/99i0A8 – also endorsed on the NRDC blog http://bit.ly/bLbjMj

  3. rbateman says:

    What’s missing from NOAA’s forecast:
    The Weather is beyond Man’s ability to control, though he may temporarily alter it.
    Gore’s Gaia is getting pounded.
    Ya think Washington will get the hint?

  4. bobbyv says:

    go mother nature, i hope our government is closed for a month.

  5. David says:

    We have gotten 20 inches where I live and it is still going strong. I hope DC gets plastered. It will delay the cap-and-trade bill a little further.

  6. George Tetley says:

    What a lovely ”Present” for Washington !

    I cannot remember if the White House has one way glass? Perhaps they don’t know?
    Well, no policy change, a new law and a couple of trillion Dollars will assure that it won’t happen again.
    Let it snow!

  7. Steve M. says:

    Er, dude? I’m here in Manhattan and there’s been NO SNOW WHATSOEVER. There’s no snow north of here — y’know, in upstate New York, where it’s supposed to snow a lot in February? And in New England, ditto?

    I know that the point you want to make is IDIOT LIBERALS THINK IT’S GETTING LESS WINTRY WHEN IT’S ACTUALLY GETTING MORE WINTRY!!!!1!!!!1!!!

    But, in fact, it’s snowy where it usually isn’t and it’s not snowy where it usually is. Which just means the weather patterns are a bit askew.

    REPLY: You are completely out of bounds. This post reported only what was going on using news sources and NOAA/NWS. There’s no editorialization. – Anthony

  8. B. Smith says:

    FergalR (10:34:46) :

    Well, at least this Winter’s weather is conforming to NOAA’s prediction:
    “The forecast for the Northeast, the world’s largest heating oil market, will have equal chances of above-normal, near-normal, or below-normal temperatures and precipitation.”
    _________________________________________________________________________

    LOL! You’ve got to admire someone with the cojones to go out on a limb like that, calling it as they see it.

    On a more serious note, best of luck to all of our fellow citizens, visitors and illegal aliens caught in this nasty bit of AGW-induced erratic weather.

    Congress excepted, of course. :D

  9. JDN says:

    Here in downtown Baltimore, we have 2′ on the ground now and expecting almost another foot, although it has let up. Main streets are passable, but, only plows and emergency vehicles are out. It’s as bad as the previous worst blizzard (2003) and probably worse because the snow is much heavier.

    I’m taking a bike trip up to Charles Village later today (about 5 miles). I did so during the last blizzard and will do so again. A bike with knobby tires is really the way to go. You can portage around snow drifts & use tire tracks from the plows on the main roads.

  10. UK Sceptic says:

    Is that the howling blizzard wind or the banshee wail of yet another warmist trying to put an AGW spin on the wrong kind of climate change?

  11. pwl says:

    A flurry of weather outside the recent range of climate makes this weather climate. After all weather is real and climate is abstract statistical math at best and sly statistical manNipulations at worst. I guess this is one decline they can’t hide. [:)]

    I’m sure glad I missed this one. A few years back I enjoyed a mild DC winter.

    http://pathstoknowledge.net/?s=mann
    http://pathstoknowledge.net/?s=climate+weather

  12. tallbloke says:

    My thoughts are with the people in rural areas suffering power cuts. I hope everyone stays safe and warm.

    Kyle:
    BS (Bad Science). Warm air over the warm ocean in El Nino. More evaporation. Warm wet air meets cold continental air –> Mucho snow. Nothing to do with global warming, just weather.

  13. Ecotretas says:

    Looks like Punxsutawney Phil was right!
    Ecotretas

  14. rbateman says:

    David (10:54:36) :

    It should freeze the cap-and-trade bill into the next Ice Age.
    It’s “Sno Go” on the Goreacle Show.

  15. crosspatch says:

    I just spoke to my mom who is about 100 miles East of DC. The snowplow is stuck about a block up the road. She has the driveway dug out (not bad for someone in their 70′s!) and the snow on either side of the driveway is up to her chin where she stacked it from the driveway.

    She reports temperatures in the low 20′s with “snow blowing sideways” and visibility “about a block” .

  16. Ric Werme says:

    kyle (10:47:22) :

    Once again, this is why you should be taking seriously this NWF report:
    Global Warming Bringing More Oddball Winter Weather

    Oh, it’s not all that oddball. Joe Bastardi and Joe D’Aleo both predicted a winter storm track in the mid-Atlantic, and cold but low-precip in the northeast.

    Blame it on the ocean oscillations, and you get a weather pattern like a few decades ago. Throw in a little luck and you get a record storm or record year.

    Up here in New Hampshire I have 3″ of snow on the ground, and have had only two storms with more than 6″ this season. Very sad. Might get some on Wednesday.

    I consider it an investment – if it helps to bury Cap and Trade legislation, it’s worth your inconvenience to me. :-)

    Oh good. You referred to NWF articles by Amanda Staudt:

    http://www.nwf.org/News-and-Magazines/Media-Center/Faces-of-NWF/Amanda-Staudt.aspx
    Amanda Staudt
    Climate Scientist
    Headquarters – Reston, VA

    I hope she like shoveling snow!

  17. Fred from Canuckistan says:

    Now that is global warming I can believe in . . .

  18. rbateman says:

    What’s the President doing in all of this?

    From: http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2010/02/05/snowstorm-mid-atlantic-scrambling-staples/

    The blizzard did not keep President Obama from traveling a few blocks through deserted streets in a motorcade of sport utility vehicles from the White House to a nearby hotel to speak at the Democratic National Committee’s winter meeting.

    In his opening remarks, Obama thanked the activists for being willing to brave the blizzard which he referred to as “Snowmageddon.”

  19. ecliptic says:

    … further evidence that:

    • there is a god
    • he has a great sense of humor
    • the New World Order will fall

  20. Russ Steele says:

    I have seen 12in of snow bring Washington DC to it’s knees. In the 1970s I was stuck there for three days at Bolling AFB with the power off, no TV and no food except for chips and cookies from a snack machine that did not require power to operate. I spend the time writing my first magazine article for a computer magazine sitting by the window. After reading the articles in the one magazine I had in my briefcase twice, decide I could do a better job explaining the technology. When I got back to Offutt AFB I sold the article to the magazine and launched my freelance writing career. Do not let a little snow storm get you down, there is an opportunity in every crisis.

  21. John Mackie says:

    To ecliptic….

    I hit the wotzupwiddat bookmark in the hope this story was there.. with the express intention of saying precisely what you said!

    But you beat me to it.

    Grrrr!

    ;)

  22. Lazarus Long says:

    About 24″ in one Philly suburb, but what’s REALLY weird is that a boatlaod of migrating robins parked themselves in the trees and bushes behind my house.

    I’m talking hundreds of the big birds.

    (American robins, not British ones, actually red breasted thrushes)

  23. Van Grungy says:

    http://www.thetelegram.com/index.cfm?sid=324572&sc=79

    Looks like winter is still normal in Newfie-land….

    The snow hasn’t ‘hit’ Toronto yet (fingers crossed)…

  24. Claude Harvey says:

    Washington loons peeking out from under a blanket of snow; proof positive of the power of prayer! I’ll be taking requests.

  25. Brian G Valentine says:

    Can’t we have another Greenpeace organized rally outside the Capitol to demand that DC shut down coal heat and electricity operations that powers the Capitol?

    Nancy Pelosi missed the opportunity to address the “crowds” last year because of the snow.

    Can’t we have a green power DC? Wind mills and solar power! That’s the way to go

    - if you want to kill a lot of people for sure.

    [snip]

  26. Chris says:

    Local weather is always due to regional circulation patterns and has little to do with global trends. Still, too bad Al Gore wasn’t hosting a climate change event in D.C. this weekend. Another data point to confirm the Gore effect is always welcome.

    Slightly OT: I’m involved in a little global warming thread in my local newspaper’s forum. I tried to inject some first principle science into the discussion. If anyone is interested, please see if there is anything I’m missing that could help me strengthen my opening argument.

    (I’m on there as Pain Train, about the 6th post down. Apologize in advance if the discussion there gets too testy. Mods – Please snip is this request is in bad form.)

    Thanks,
    -Chris

  27. wayne says:

    NYT: “…it appeared that the District of Columbia would not surpass the 1922 record of 28 inches of snowfall.”

    But close!

  28. Ibrahim says:

    “You are completely out of bounds. This post reported only what was going on using news sources and NOAA/NWS. There’s no editorialization. – Anthony

    :-)

  29. Murray says:

    Anthony, give us a break. Why “completely out of bounds’? Perhaps “slightly skewed”? Maybe your original posting has no editorial content, but your readership and contributors largely equate warmist with liberal and skeptic with conservative and you get lots of conservative political comments or innuendos which don’t get commented on or snipped. Ex: your posting didn’t mention “cap & trade” either, but it got quickly referenced w/o comment. I’m not suggesting you encourage politicizing your blog or editorializing GW, but you should give the odd warmist or liberal equal treatment, especially in this case because his comment about askew weather is a largely correct and non-political observation. I’m a slightly left of center independant skeptic, and I get pretty tired of all of the comments equating left with warmist, and deriding anything except extreme right viewpoints. Be fair.

    REPLY:
    My career has always been to report the weather. If I was on TV still, I’d be asked to do a special report on the DC blizzard. This is no different. If I had done some editorializing I could certainly see the point. It’s fine if you want to accuse commenters of making something out of it I did not. But, the complaint was against me saying the purpose was to insult “liberal idiots” (his words) when no such claim was made by me nor even hinted at. That’s why it is out of bounds, he put words in my mouth that were not written. – A

  30. Douglas DC says:

    we’ve had not much of a winter here in NE oregonn-below 3500 ft.
    still anything above that altitiude seems to have snow.However, I see our turn coming…

  31. vukcevic says:

    It should not be forgotten that the Washington DC’s population is not just politicians. Few years ago, when I was there, I saw many ‘down and outs’, I think more than I encountered in any other major US city I visited. It is those we should be concerned for.

  32. Murray says:

    Whoa !!
    “Can’t we have another Greenpiece organized rally outside the Capitol to demand that DC shut down coal heat and electricity operations that powers the Capitol?
    Nancy Pelosi missed the opportunity to address the “crowds” last year because of the snow.
    Can’t we have a green power DC? Wind mills and solar power! That’s the way to go
    - if you want to kill a lot of people for sure.
    Dumb Ass Turkeys and Enviro Mentals: People have HAD IT with your “green” crap – you’re dead in the water with your stupid-ass “global warming” garbage and I guarantee.”

    And this is within bounds????
    So nasty, right wing, no useful content,editorializing is OK, but fair observation, with a slight, self deprecating liberal bent and a correct observation isn’t. This is supposed to be a science blog, fair and impartial, – NO??

  33. Ian says:

    O/T but we might want to take a look at EU Referendum website in an hour or two (http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/).

    “Another major “mistake” in the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report has been identified, easily of the same magnitude of the “Glaciergate” error. A lead IPCC author of the report has admitted that he cannot find any supporting evidence for the claim made.

    Over the last few days, I have been working flat out to prepare a report, which will be posted later today – about 10pm GMT. Watch this space”

  34. Neo says:

    Hey, I got 18 inches of “global warming ash” outside right now.

  35. Mark Sawusch says:

    Global Cooling is the new Global Warming

  36. Basil says:

    Yawn.

    I lived in Annapolis, MD, during the “Blizzard of 1983:”

    “February 11-12, 1983: The Blizzard of 1983 beat the Presidents’ Day Storm and was the second greatest snowfall for Baltimore since records began. It covered an unusually large area of Virginia and Maryland with more than a foot of snow. Two feet of snow lay in a band across Washinton, Frederick, Montgomery, Carroll, Howard and Baltimore Counties. The storm set a new 24 hour snowfall record at Baltimore with 22.8 inches. Parts of Northern Virginia up into western Maryland measured as much as 30 inches on the ground. Hagerstown reported 25 inches of snow (its second greatest storm behind the January 1996 snowstorm). For a couple hours of the storm, snow fall at an amazing rate of 3.5 inches per hour. Thunderstorms intensified the snowfall in some areas.Winds gusted over 25 mph all day on February 11 causing drifts up to five feet. The heavy snow and winds paralyzed the region. The cost of clearing the snow from roads was in the millions of dollars.”

    This week’s storm ranks up there, but it is not like this has never happened before.

    Anthony’s headline, however, was a tease: “Capitol is crippled…” We could only wish it would last.

    Basil

  37. DJ Meredith says:

    Looking on the bright side of this….

    For every day D.C. is shut down, taxpayers save a billion dollars.

  38. RockyRoad says:

    I can’t afford a sophisticated weather station, and I figure a meaningful “barometer” (pardon the pun) of weather is to watch accumulation on mountains east of where I live by using a ski resort that offers snow accumulation numbers to their skiing customers. That’s where most of our water comes from during the summertime. Here’s the link to Grand Targhee:

    http://www.grandtarghee.com/the-mountain/conditions/index.php

    I know Grand Targhee gets ~500 inches of snow per year and based on 5.5 months of snow accumulation (which is very close to 3 inches per day on average), I can tell if they’re behind or ahead of the curve. (This year they were behind until the last 3-4 weeks and now they’re catching up; they may make 500 inches yet!)

    Note: I have no vested interest or stock in the business; I just appreciate their web site for the information they provide. I have it saved in my Favorites for quick access.

    You all may want to find a ski resort near you that offers the same information.

  39. barbarausa says:

    To the poster who said precipitation is where it usually isn’t and isn’t where it used to be–guess what?

    This snow in DC is just what I remember from my childhood in the 60s. Snow every year and occasionally some whoppers.

    This whole idea that if WEATHER moves 6″ to the right or left of where the measuring tool is, and therefore massive change is permanently occurring, seems total BS.

    Particularly when the sanctimonious doomsday preaching is accompanied by stridently arrogant claims that if we just give all our money to the man behind the curtain and swear to never use energy or food again, WE CAN CHANGE THE WEATHER BACK.

    Stick around.

    It seems to change on its own, all the time.

    For free.

    (Schools already cancelled in suburban VA county outside DC for Monday AND Tuesday. Yikes. lol)

  40. D. King says:

    OT

    And like a good stew over time, the plot thickens!

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/climategate_is_it_criminal_1.html

  41. David Holliday says:

    I’m just outside the beltway in Northern Virginia. According to my unofficial tape measure we got over 21″ here.

  42. Steve M. says:

    You are completely out of bounds. This post reported only what was going on using news sources and NOAA/NWS. There’s no editorialization. – Anthony

    Oh, right. So this is just a harmless little weather post? The proximity of it to large numbers of posts devoted climate-change skepticism has no significance whatsoever?

    Don’t insult my intelligence any more than the rest of this blog already does.

    REPLY:…and don’t insult ours by claiming something specific like this article is for the purpose of insulting “liberal idiots” (your words) when it does nothing but report the facts of the event and no insults were levied by me. As I said, your criticism is out of bounds and not supported by your claims nor by the actual content. – A

  43. P Walker says:

    Chris (11:35:44) – Perhaps you could provide a link ?

  44. Mike McMillan says:

    Steve M. (11:03:47) :
    Er, dude? I’m here in Manhattan and there’s been NO SNOW WHATSOEVER. There’s no snow north of here — y’know, in upstate New York, where it’s supposed to snow a lot in February? And in New England, ditto?
    I know that the point you want to make is IDIOT LIBERALS THINK IT’S GETTING LESS WINTRY WHEN IT’S ACTUALLY GETTING MORE WINTRY!!!!1!!!!1!!!
    But, in fact, it’s snowy where it usually isn’t and it’s not snowy where it usually is. Which just means the weather patterns are a bit askew.

    Which really just means we’re getting back into the 30 year cool half-cycle of our normal climate. Can’t blame people for not seeing it when a full climate cycle is better than two generations long. Nice of you to share your snow with our DC rulers, who need the reminder.

  45. Kevin Kilty says:

    Others here beat me to the correction of

    kyle (10:47:22) :

    Once again, this is why you should be taking seriously this NWF report:
    Global Warming Bringing More Oddball Winter Weather – http://bit.ly/99i0A8 – also endorsed on the NRDC blog http://bit.ly/bLbjMj

    This is the biggest event since 1922 is all. The sky is not falling. Every once in a while local conditions set up for a big weather event in any place you can imagine — that’s what they call a perfect storm, cousin. A hurricane in New England, or a tornado in Salt Lake City, or a February thaw with flooding in North Dakota — better plan for them all. After a century of “unprecedented change” the weather continues to operate much as it always has.

  46. p.g.sharrow "PG" says:

    Once spent 5 days, after 3 feet of wet snow, no power and 2 miles from the nearest plowed road. I live in California below the normal snow line. NO fun, survival, glad I had a wood stove which the ecos are trying to outlaw. :-(

  47. A little late, but it was encouraging to read the news report yesterday that NASA will use the new Solar Dynamics Observatory to find out why the Sun is a variable star:

    http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2010/05feb_sdo.htm?list1073366

    Your study won’t win NASA any favors from the NAS President, climatologist Dr. Ralph Cicerone, but the global warming hypothesis is collapsing anyway.

    Congratulations, NASA!

    With kind regards,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA PI for Apollo

  48. Tom in snow free Florida says:

    How about one loud group shout:

    “WARMER IS BETTER”

  49. pwl says:

    It’s official, Obama’s named the storm “Snowmageddon”!

    Snowmaggedon, the epic snow storms of 2010, descends up on the east coast of the USA. Snowmaggedon is just a few categories below The Day After Tomorrow as far as snow disasters go. [:)]

    http://pathstoknowledge.net/2010/02/06/snowmageddon-2010-hits-east-coast-of-usa

  50. oliver says:

    I thought Al Gore was home in Tennessee… Who is he visiting in D.C. ? :)

  51. Adam Gallon says:

    “kyle (10:47:22) :

    Once again, this is why you should be taking seriously this NWF report:
    Global Warming Bringing More Oddball Winter Weather”

    So how do you explain the record set in 1922?

  52. dochia says:

    OT – An interesting study that suggest ~80% less potential amplification of ongoing global warming here:

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v463/n7280/full/nature08769.html

    It is discussed more here:

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/02/good-news-for-the-earths-climate-system/

    Does anyone knows if there is an y (sensitivity) estimate for water vapours only?

    Thank you!

  53. B. Smith (11:05:04) :

    FergalR (10:34:46) :

    Well, at least this Winter’s weather is conforming to NOAA’s prediction:
    “The forecast for the Northeast, the world’s largest heating oil market, will have equal chances of above-normal, near-normal, or below-normal temperatures and precipitation.”
    _________________________________________________________________________

    LOL! You’ve got to admire someone with the cojones to go out on a limb like that, calling it as they see it.

    My reply;
    Well I tried three years ago but due to the long lead time I was off a day, I have this storm forecast to arrive tomorrow.
    Sorry http://www.aerology.com/national.aspx

    Richard Holle

  54. Steve McIntyre says:

    We’ve had almost no snow in Toronto this winter. IT’s cold today but the ground is bare.

    REPLY: IIRC last year was your snow year extraordinaire – Anthony

  55. rbateman says:

    Douglas DC (11:43:36) :

    Ditto here. NW Calif. The rains have been pouring down, but the Reservoir is still low. Why? It’s all stuck up above 3500′ or higher. When the clouds clear, I can see the incredible view of snow so thick it looks like someone iced a cake with white frosting.
    The last time I remember seeing snow like that up high was in 1982-3 when an El Nino dumped snow that took 2 years to melt off.
    Sounds to me like your conditions are the same as here.

  56. Kevin Kilty says:

    This might have delivered a more forceful reminder if the people in the Mid-Atlantic region were dependent on wind turbines for power.

  57. Brian G Valentine says:

    When I think of the DAMAGE and MALICIOUSNESS that “global warmers” want to (demand to) vest upon innocent people, Murray, I make NO APOLOGIES AT ALL

    and I think it is HIGH DAMN TIME for people to speak out against the green crap

    JUST LIKE THAT THERE

    People can lie down and TAKE IT or they can YELL

  58. Arthur Glass says:

    “It snows where it wants to snow” is one of the more profound conclusions of meteorologists. I don’t mean that at all facetiously. This year it wants to snow on the Mid-Atlantic. For a snow goose in northern New Jersey, this means tease after tease. My only consolation is in understanding, at some basic level, that this southern route is a typical manifestation of El Nino.

    Mets like Joe Bastardi were onto this storm a week ago, had the DC-centered bullseye figured out, and also warned that the northern edge of the snowshield would be problematic.

    And so it transpired. The dry Arctic air pressing in from the northwest got as far as 30 miles to my south. How do going you get a respectable blizzard with dry bulb temps in the upper twenties and the dew point hovering around ten?

    In other words, it was, relatively, too cold to snow.

    Well, wait a couple of days!

  59. u.k.(us) says:

    seems like the “warmers” are getting tired of winter :)

  60. David Segesta says:

    E-mail to my senator:
    With Washington DC buried under 2 feet of snow it seems like an opportune time to continue my campaign against legislation aimed at curbing Global Warming. Please don’t tell me this near-record snowfall was caused by global warming. I wasn’t born yesterday and besides if you make that case then I will have to ask what caused the all-time record snowfall of 28” in 1922. Anyway I hope this latest “Snowmageddon” has given you time to ponder the question; what’s so bad about global warming? Life flourishes in warm weather. It is abundant in the tropics and scarce in the polar regions. The current semi-glacial conditions in Washington are far more harmful to life than a rise in temperature of a couple of degrees. In the past you’ve stated that there is an overwhelming consensus of climate scientists who believe in manmade global warming. Well someone once said; “a thousand scientists can be refuted by one fact”. I think that fact is sitting outside your window right now.

  61. DirkH says:

    “Steve M. (12:02:56) :
    [...]
    Don’t insult my intelligence any more than the rest of this blog already does.”

    There’s always the option of stopping reading things you don’t like. It’s not like we want to insult your intelligence.

  62. Mike Fox says:

    The Oregon Legislative Assembly has just commenced a special session. I wish the blizzard were in Salem, instead of this danged drizzle!

    We need some snow in the Cascades.

  63. _Jim says:


    Steve M. (12:02:56) :


    Oh, right. So this is just a harmless little weather post?

    Someone needs some nap time …

    .
    .

  64. DirkH says:

    “Murray (11:48:39) :
    [...]
    So nasty, right wing, no useful content,editorializing is OK, but fair observation, with a slight, self deprecating liberal bent”

    Do you mean this with the slight, self deprecating liberal bent?

    “Steve M. (11:03:47) :
    [...]
    I know that the point you want to make is IDIOT LIBERALS THINK IT’S GETTING LESS WINTRY WHEN IT’S ACTUALLY GETTING MORE WINTRY!!!!1!!!!1!!!”

    I thought it was some outraged screaming…

  65. Mark says:

    “FergalR (10:34:46) :

    Well, at least this Winter’s weather is conforming to NOAA’s prediction:
    “The forecast for the Northeast, the world’s largest heating oil market, will have equal chances of above-normal, near-normal, or below-normal temperatures and precipitation.”

    http://www.almanac.com/weather/longrange

    The Old Farmers Almanac Forecast for the SE is:
    FEBRUARY 2010: temperature 46.5° (0.5° above avg.); precipitation 4.5″ (2″ above avg. east, 1″ below west); Feb 1-4: Sunny, warm; Feb 5-8: T-storms, then sunny, cold;

    They missed it a bit for the Hampton Roads area during this time frame, but for the entire SE, Jacksonville had TSTMS as did Key West when the front went through.

    Mid Atlantic:
    FEBRUARY 2010: temperature 34° (1° above avg.); precipitation 3.5″ (0.5″ above avg.); Feb 1-5: Showers, warm; Feb 6-10: Rain to snow, then sunny, seasonable;

    Applachians:
    FEBRUARY 2010: temperature 29° (1° above avg.); precipitation 2.5″ (avg.); Feb 1-5: Scattered showers, mild; Feb 6-8: Snow, then sunny, cold;

  66. Ralph says:

    No global warming in Washington. Nothing to see here, move along.

  67. hotrod ( Larry L ) says:

    Steve M. (12:02:56) :

    You are completely out of bounds. This post reported only what was going on using news sources and NOAA/NWS. There’s no editorialization. – Anthony

    Oh, right. So this is just a harmless little weather post? The proximity of it to large numbers of posts devoted climate-change skepticism has no significance whatsoever?

    Don’t insult my intelligence any more than the rest of this blog already does.

    REPLY:…and don’t insult ours by claiming something specific like this article is for the purpose of insulting “liberal idiots” (your words) when it does nothing but report the facts of the event and no insults were levied by me. As I said, your criticism is out of bounds and not supported by your claims nor by the actual content. – A

    Steve M.

    Perhaps if you posted a well structured, and rational statement of your position rather than a hysterical rant, you might develop some conversation about your point.

    Yes there is a preponderance of conservatives here — if you look at the polls, independents and conservatives are much more likely to be skeptical than liberals. It is a fact of life that the liberals (Democratic party) have been hanging their hat on this issue for quite some time.

    Deal with it.

    If you monitored this blog consistently you would know that there are several vocal members who are also decidedly liberal in view point. Many of them very well respected in this community. Most of us leave our politics at the door, by and large but there are several primary vendors of the AGW dogma that just go way out of their way to make themselves targets of well deserved satire, and spoofing.

    There are “idiots” of all political flavors, liberal, conservative, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians. This specific topic is about the current storm not some specific scientific topic. As such it lends itself to a bit more “humor” than other threads.

    Try making a rational statement instead of a rant that attacks the owner of the blog out of the blue. It will be much better received.

    Larry

  68. killersolos says:

    Snowmageddon? They just had the Snowpocalypse in December!

  69. Cold Englishman says:

    Today in England I even got my Triumph out of hibernation for a one hour spin, temp about 5-6C, so not too bad.

    In the meantime, I’m still expecting more snow before February’s out.

    Stay safe over there, take a couple of days off, and wrap yourselves around a nice single malt. Works for me.

  70. pwl says:

    David Segesta (12:44:47), excellent email to your senator.

  71. mkurbo says:

    “The great global warming collapse –
    As the science scandals keep coming, the air has gone out of the climate-change movement”

    “The global warming movement as we have known it is dead,” the brilliant analyst Walter Russell Mead says in his blog on The American Interest. It was done in by a combination of bad science and bad politics.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/the-great-global-warming-collapse/article1458206/

  72. RockyRoad says:

    Just a reminder: Most storms are drug along by the jet stream, which snakes across the US from the Canadian to the Mexican border. Just because snow is falling in DC and not upper NY isn’t terribly surprising.

    For a quick peek of how the jet stream is behaving:

    http://www.stormsurfing.com/cgi/display_alt.cgi?a=glob_250

    Be sure to play with the controls to hindcast and forecast, paying particular attention to the configuration during the last day or so in the eastern US.

    (Hat tip to a prior poster; I put this in my Favorites and found it made great sense of this last mega srorm (which I hesitate to call snowmageddon, since that’s just inviting an even larger storm IMO).)

  73. RockyRoad (11:55:54) :

    I can’t afford a sophisticated weather station, …

    I just bought a weather station similar to the one shown
    here . It was only NOK 999 (~106 GBP or ~166 USD). Obviously not a sophisticated weather station, but not too bad with wireless to indoor unit, plus USB connection to PC. I’ve managed to write a Linux driver for it, so will accumulate my own raw data series in a database.

    Of course, placing it properly is important. But we have too much snow here at the moment :-) so a temporary solution will have to do until spring.

    Quite fun hobby project.

  74. Mooloo says:

    Yes there is a preponderance of conservatives here

    But hardly exclusively, since I feel perfectly comfortable here and I’m way left of most Americans. Anthony kindly takes all types, including a few warmistas. As part of that we get to share our little space with NWO conspiracy nutcases.

    Steve M’s problem appears to be that he can’t distinguish the content posted by Anthony from the comments posted by others. WUWT allows you to make any liberal-biased comment you want Steve (within bounds of legality etc). Always has.

  75. Brian G Valentine says:

    Does anyone knows if there is any (sensitivity) estimate for water vapours only?

    I’ve looked at that, I haven’t computed a value but it must be infinitesimal; looking at the absorption and emissivity spectra for water, say 0-25 deg. C, there is very little overlap.

    We know it has to be small; drowned out by everything else that influences the climate, for otherwise, the atmosphere would have saturated and remained that way eons ago!

    : )

  76. Britannic no-see-um says:

    p.g.sharrow “PG” (12:18:23) :

    ‘Once spent 5 days, after 3 feet of wet snow, no power and 2 miles from the nearest plowed road. I live in California below the normal snow line. NO fun, survival, glad I had a wood stove which the ecos are trying to outlaw. ‘

    They’ll have to get their act together then, judging by this eco promotion eulogising the woodburner

    http://www.greenandeasy.co.uk/Information/InformationPage.aspx?pagekey=71

  77. KW says:

    This was happening the last previous two years in the northwest.

    It’s your turn.

  78. RockyRoad says:

    Thanks, Carsten… I’m gonna start saving my nickles and get one soon since there’s nothing like being master of your own weather station. :)

  79. mkurbo says:

    Interesting summary on events and take on MSM, but I’m disappointed with the continued reference to the Guardian as the story originator.

    http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2010/02/03/fat-lady-warms-up-for-global-warming-grey-lady-not-listening/

  80. DirkH says:

    “DirkH (12:52:44) :

    O/T Richard North is up!
    http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/

    Sorry i jumped the gun, but now he has posted again: Africagate !

  81. TonyB says:

    Chris

    I don’t think you’re missing too much, but pasting a link to Climate Depot wouldn’t convince too many as it appears to be extremely biased. I’m a sceptic but I winced as I read it. Why not try linking to something less shrill?

    Alternatively, why don’t you suggest your new warmist friends acquaint themselves with some climate history and learn something about the constant climate oscillations?

    Hubert Lamb was the first director of CRU and he wrote some very good books on climate-truly there is nothing new under the sun and todays events are nothing out of the ordinary.

    As a first read I would suggest his book;

    “Climate, History and the Modern World” ISBN 0-415-12735-1

    Tonyb

  82. pwl says:

    Steve M. (12:02:56),

    I’m not a conservative (nor am I a liberal besides these terms have different meanings in Canada which also means that I’m not a republican nor a democrat) and I post here regularly as well as writing my own independent commentary based upon science rather than “belief” over at PathsToKnowledge dot NET (http://www.PathsToKnowledge.net).

    WUWT is an informative web site that, as I have observed, is consistently dedicated to what is actually happening with the weather and climate in objective reality rather than “believing” in a hypothesis (such as the AGW Hypothesis) that has so many flaws that it’s essentially been falsified time and time again.

    I’m the kind of guy that demands proof from claims, especially the extraordinary claims that underlie the alleged AGW Hypothesis.

    I’m an independent thinker Steve M. (12:02:56). I don’t follow “cult beliefs” like those of Al Gore or a “political party”. I’m a member of none. I know that most people want to save themselves from actually thinking by simply being lemmings and “belonging” to one group or another including political groups and let the groups do their thinking for them but I prefer to think through issues myself especially when it concerns matters that can be resolved with science.

    After spending months asking innocent questions, as someone wanting to learn about the science behind the alleged “anthropogenic global warming climate change hypothesis”, at various web sites (http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula for instance) I was always immediately subjected to a barrage of ad hominem person attacks which clearly indicated that those people – allegedly dedicated to the pursuit of science instead – were (and evidently still are) blinded by their “beliefs” rather than looking at the actual evidence in objective reality. The fact that they wouldn’t even engage in the questions raised by the alleged AGW Hypothesis with a civil discourse indicates the depth of their “cult belief” in said alleged hypothesis.

    Look, in science it’s ok to be dedicated to a hypothesis to some extent, however it’s not ok in science to berate people for even asking questions of your prized hypothesis. When you cross that line you’re become a cult member and not someone dedicated to the pursuit of the facts of life or Nature. Besides any hypothesis needs to have means by which it is falsified and *when* counter evidence is suggested it needs to be properly dealt with. Lo and behold there are so many lines of effective counter evidence to the alleged AGW hypothesis that it’s scary and as a result as far as I can tell the alleged AGW hypothesis has been falsified.

    The facts of science have nothing to do with politics, except that people such as yourself and the likes of Al Gore or Maurice Strong and others make it political. The sad part is that the evidence shows that you’ve got it wrong, it’s not the end of the world as we know it. The ice won’t all melt anytime soon. The seas won’t rise and flood the cities. You’ve seemingly bought Al Gore’s propaganda hook line and sinker. It’s time to pull that hook out of your mouth and do some independent thinking for yourself.

    WUWT is an excellent place to ask actual questions since people here are not adverse to pursuing what is really happening. So if you have any actual questions of substance or for learning about the good, the bad and the ugly of climate science this is one of the better places to ask them. It’s time to unlearn your “beliefs” and learn some actual science.

    Hopefully you and others can learn how when it comes to science “beliefs” in a hypothesis can prevent you from seeing what is really going on.

    All the best,

    pwl
    http://www.PathsToKnowledge.net?s=belief

  83. TonyB says:

    SteveM

    Perhaps it might help you to see things in a better perspective and not be so concerned about weather events if you also read something about the climatic variabilty of our planet, of which the current era is but the latest unremarkable episode. You might enjoy the book I just recommended to Chris.

    Tonyb

  84. Harry says:

    dochia (12:29:54) :

    Does anyone knows if there is any (sensitivity) estimate for water vapours only?

    No one is even sure of the sign of water vapor feedbacks.

    The sign on water vapor as a cloud is negative, water vapor as water vapor is positive.

    http://gcss-dime.giss.nasa.gov/cmai/cmai.html
    “Representation of clouds and cloud processes in climate and weather models (particularly in NASA-supported models) is considered one of the central issues driving uncertainty about their fidelity in making forecasts. “

  85. R.S.Brown says:

    In our little garden spot in the “northeast inland area of Ohio”
    we received 10.2” of snow between 10:30pm Friday evening
    and 10:30am Saturday morning. This fell on top of the roughly
    3” already on the ground (and on trees, wires, etc.) that arrived
    Friday morning & afternoon::

    http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/cle/clesnow.php

    None of this was “lake effect” snow. Curiously, a good amount
    of snow blew from the south (our “garden spot”) and pumped a
    couple inches of pollutant free snow 10 or 12 miles out onto
    the Lake Erie ice(view before the new snow):

    http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/prods/NAIS25ECT/20100204180000_NAIS25ECT_0004804114.gif
    :
    To put it in a more global context:

    http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/326193main_sup1seaicemax_full.jpg

  86. Telboy says:

    Richard Holle(11:05:04)

    I’m pretty sure that if you go over your calculations again you’ll find you’ve missed the extra day leap year from 2008 – so in fact you called it absolutely right. Well done!

  87. Telboy says:

    Sorry – leap year day

  88. Tom T says:

    Shutting down Washington can only be good.

  89. Telboy says:

    Dammit! I meant Richard Holles at12:31:17

  90. Robin Kool says:

    Hi Anthony. I am a fan of your site, reading it every day.
    Thanks for the abundance of high quality information and comment you supply.
    And I have noticed that you report not only news, analysis and debate on the AGW hypothesis, but also interesting weather phenomena, like this blizzard.
    So, yes, it is obvious to me that you do not make the mistake of saying that cold weather is proof of a cooling earth. As opposed to so many ‘warmists’ who use every warm spell to say it proves the earth is warming.

    [snip]

    It’s just not worthy of this site.

    That said, it does look like the AGW hypothesis is crashing and the warmist movement is imploding.
    Personally I deeply regret the damage that it will do to the trust people have in science.
    I think the time is near that we need to defend science by proposing ways to prevent the peer review process from being hijacked like the paleo-climatologists have done.

    Winston Churchill, one of my great heroes, said: “In war, resolution; in defeat, defiance; in victory, magnanimity”.
    In other words, “You don’t kick a (wo)man who is down.”

  91. Gerard says:

    From a guy in Aus. Is it warm snow?

  92. James F. Evans says:

    You can’t fool Mother Nature.

  93. UzUrBrn says:

    >> Steve M. (11:03:47) :

    Er, dude? I’m here in Manhattan and there’s been NO SNOW WHATSOEVER. There’s no snow north of here — y’know, in upstate New York, where it’s supposed to snow a lot in February? And in New England, ditto? <<

    Engage Brain before fingers on keyboard.

    I did not know we measured temperature with a ruler. What does the depth of snow have to do with temperature? (Oh, I know, it is all melting because of global; warming.) NWS and several other weather services indicate that up-state NY (WAY-upstate, e.g. Syracuse) has been about 10 degrees below average for the last month.

    To find off any flames that is ABOUT not exact. I did not do a mathematical calculation. I just looked at the stated normal high and the daily high for the last month.

  94. rbateman says:

    Actually, shutting down Washington was Hansen’s idea a year ago in a snowstorm. It’s not Washington I want to see shut down, it’s this AGW bill that has no basis in the real world.
    According to AGW, this snowstorm was NOT supposed to be happening.
    It was to be Hurricanes Galore and barbecue summers.
    To borrow a meteorological layman’s phrase:
    Clear & Hot through Doomsday.
    (You might remember that one, Anthony).
    The last year or two, they have been paint-jobbing thier philosophy of what exactly Global Warming is supposed to look like. “Snowmageddon” is nothing more than a continuance of the same chamelion act. They change tunes faster than an Octopus traveling around a Coral Reef.

  95. DirkH says:

    “Robin Kool (14:45:52) :
    [...]
    In other words, “You don’t kick a (wo)man who is down.”

    You shouldn’t forget that all of Europe is still in the hands of a carbon trading scam. NOTHING is down. They need to be kicked for at least another 2 years – until Kyoto expires.

  96. Antonio San says:

    I cannot wait for some goon to state that someone at HAARP pressed the wrong button… LOL

    [Reply: Already happened. A Pakistani journalist claims there is a HAARP installation near the spot in Norway the strange twirling light in the sky was seen a while ago. RT - Mod]

  97. JonesII says:

    It´s Climate Change!….or it´s climate changing, or rather changing climate, whatever!, Yes we can!…or was it we could?. anyway we have to wait until next summer….!!

  98. Peter Plail says:

    Hey, Steve M. (12:02:56), even the BBC covered the story in their TV News Bulletin (that’s News not Weather) tonight, what motives do you ascribe to them?

  99. kadaka says:

    James F. Evans (14:48:43) :

    You can’t fool Mother Nature.

    It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature.

  100. Brian G Valentine says:

    “I’m not a conservative (nor am I a liberal besides these terms have different meanings in Canada …

    And as for me. I’m whatever Jim Inhofe claims himself to be.

    Thank you Mr Watts for letting me say what I feel needs to be said here.

    I hope the fans of “Real” Climate etc read such things here and know, there are people who violently oppose what they espouse.

    And they’re not going to jam it down the public’s throat, either, with their puppy-dog whimpering about “deniers”

  101. crosspatch says:

    To add insult to injury, I just found this in the accuweather forecast for Tuesday night:

    A major ice storm, with a thick coating of ice; breezy late

    So they should just about get the power on when it starts going off again.

  102. joe says:

    DC already had snow on the ground from two previous snow storms, I wonder what the the total depth is.
    And more snow could hit on Wednesday. What a global warming year!!!

    “I thought Al Gore was home in Tennessee… Who is he visiting in D.C. ? :)”

    Obama gave a climate change speech about a week ago. Just like Copenhagen, when Obama speaks of climate change, snow balls head for his face.

  103. R John says:

    They have just issued a winter storm watch for my area (Illinois). The NWS thinks the next storm may be as potent for the southern plains into the midwest.

    Also – it appears as though every river from eastern Texas to North Carolina to northern Florida is in flood stage. El Nino sure can be a game changer in the winter.

  104. Robin Kool says:

    Hi Anthony.
    I am glad you removed the comment I quoted from ‘Brian G Valentine (11:34:27).’
    Like I said, it was not worthy of your outstanding site.
    Only, now it looks like I made a comment you found unacceptable, instead of quoting one and asking you to remove it.

    By the way, the same comment was quoted by ‘Murray (11:48:39).’ You may want to remove it there too.

  105. E.M.Smith says:

    tallbloke (11:08:08) : My thoughts are with the people in rural areas suffering power cuts. I hope everyone stays safe and warm.

    While I appreciate the sentiment, I can’t understand why folks just sit back and “take it”. I live in “earthquake country” and owned 2 generators up until a year ago when I sold one to a friend. For about 4 months power bill, I bought a very nice Honda generator. In several quake and storm (and one car crash) related power outages I’ve had the ‘terrible duty” of walking out the back door and pulling a starter cord on the generator…

    I sold the 5 KW “Coleman” not because there was any issue with it, but because the 1 KW Honda let me run everything but the A/C and washer / drier and I just could not justify the need to have A/C and drier in a “crisis”… Oh, and the Honda was way quite while the Coleman was kind of loud…

    So, while during the “Loma Pieita” quake:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Loma_Prieta_earthquake
    also known as the World Series Quake, I ran the Coleman (that cost me all of about $350 on clearance) and had Satellite TV, washer, drier, fridge, AC, lighting, and more; the fact is that the 1 kw Honda did more than I needed during all sorts of other outages.

    So I sold the 5 kW job largely because I really didn’t need that much power or redundancy. Also, I’d gotten a 1 kw inverter at Costco for about $70 so I could run everything off the car generator if I really felt like it. (Modulo doing the dishwasher, cloths washer, dryer et.al. all at the same time…)

    At the end of it all, it really is not all that hard to “make your own power” even if it is just a $70 inverter bolted to the car battery in the garage.

    So yes, I feel for the folks “having issues”. I’ve been there. But at the same time it’s incredibly easy to deal with ‘electricity outages” with just a tiny bit of preparation.

    (And yes, I know I’m “over the top” with having had 2 generators AND a 1 kW inverter AND 2 inverters of about 200 w capacity for travel… I’m compulsive like that… but it is cheap and easy to do.)

  106. David H Mercier says:

    The death of global warming, the snow is the icing on the cake!

  107. Anticlimactic says:

    At least Obama is in residence this time rather than being in the less snow-challenged Hawaii! It won’t happen, but I would like someone to rub his nose in it.

    It is easy to excuse politicians because we all know they are ‘dumb’, but it can be more fruitful to know if they or there friends [or donors] are making money out of any particular policy.

  108. Kay says:

    @tallbloke (11:08:08) : My thoughts are with the people in rural areas suffering power cuts. I hope everyone stays safe and warm.

    There are around 100,000 in my area still without power. I have 5 teenagers spending the night at my house–my own plus a couple of neighbors. No power=no heat, and it’s going down to 5 degrees F tonight. So they’re staying here. They live two doors up–I have power, they don’t…we’re on different grids.

  109. E.M.Smith says:

    Murray (11:42:28) : Anthony, give us a break. Why “completely out of bounds’? Perhaps “slightly skewed”? Maybe your original posting has no editorial content, but your readership and contributors largely equate warmist with liberal and skeptic with conservative and you get lots of conservative political comments or innuendos which don’t get commented on or snipped.

    Oh Pahleeeze… Look, I’m a “California Conservative” which makes me a flaming liberal in he eyes of my Texas Uncle.

    I think MEN have no right what so ever to step into the decision between a woman and her doctor. I think smoking grass ought to be legal and anyone who doesn’t mind losing their short term memory for a ‘good time’ is making a choice of them, not for me, so why ought I to have any say? Further, I don’t see where it makes any rational sense to let folks rot in prison for selling drugs, buying drugs, using drugs, or either being or patronizing prostitutes or, for that matter, doing ANYTHING that does not harm me personally.

    Further, I’d even go so far as to assert that their ought to be a ‘minimal safety net’ offered to everyone in the nation to assure that they have (even if low quality and unpleasant to assure nobody exploits it) minimal food, housing, and healthcare.

    Yet folks accuse ME of being “conservative”. Heck, I voted for Obama in the California primary. (I was an ABC voter… Anyone But Clinton ;-)

    So please, take your stereotype viewpoint and stuff it. Anthony is more interested in thermometer site quality than political view and as near as I can tell, the only folks trying to make a ‘skeptical’ viewpoint into a “republican” one are the AGW true believers.

    Lord knows I think the Republicans are a piece of work. Only slightly outdone by the Democrats. I’m a registered Independent (who are allowed to vote for Democrats in the California primary, but not Republican… go figure…) and not about to endorse conservatives carte blanch.

    So cut Anthony some slack. He reports weather and climate stuff Just Fine. Even acceptable to a California audience where “Snow” has a whole different and much warmer meaning ;-)

  110. bob paglee says:

    Philadelphia reported 26.7 inches, about the same as Baltimore reported. But Washington DC reported only 20+ inches when I watched network news at 6 pm. Are they censoring a truly historical snowfall so their brainwashed AGW devotees won’t start wondering if they have been duped?

  111. barbarausa says:

    pwl 14:07:26

    Excellent, excellent post.

    Thank you, and thanks to this blog for providing an intelligent forum.

    In a lighter vein, as I was shoveling today (until 8 p.m.!) with neighbors here in VA outside DC, I kept chanting to myself “fragile nature….FRAGILE Nature….fragile, fragile Nature…huff, puff….FRAGILE…”

    lolol

  112. hotrod ( Larry L ) says:

    (And yes, I know I’m “over the top” with having had 2 generators AND a 1 kW inverter AND 2 inverters of about 200 w capacity for travel… I’m compulsive like that… but it is cheap and easy to do.)

    You are not all that “over the top”, I have 2 large deep cycle 12V batteries on float charge continuously (to run my ham radio gear), and two 750 watt inverters and two 100 watt inverters (one for each car), plus another 100 w inverter in my laptop case.

    I also have 20W of 12 volt solar chargers that I can use to augment the 12 volt power available from the cars when the weather cooperates. I have a enough LED lights to function quite nicely with as well. A single LED lantern will run for a week continuously on 4 AA batteries.

    I need to pickup a small portable generator, I am looking for something like the quiet Honda generators with small enough power output to make it have very low fuel consumption. If you live a low power consumption life style, you only need about 500-750 watts of power to run even the big essentials. I have a small electronic peltier junction refrigerator that only takes a couple hundred watts, which can keep things like milk cold. The ice in the freezer will keep the frozen food frozen for several days if I am bright enough not to open the door.

    A standard freezer/refrigerator (if one of the energy efficient designs) only needs about 600 watts, (the frostless styles, and automatic ice makers use more) and you only need to run it a couple times a day in an emergency, when you don’t need power for lights or other uses.

    I keep a 2 liter soda pop bottle of water frozen in the freezer to extend its power off time without having melting ice drip all over everything.

    A car’s alternator can deliver from 360-500 watts at fast idle, as long as your fuel lasts.

    It takes less than 200 watts to run the desk top computer , monitor and cable modem, for typical browsing, and only about 100 watts to run the laptop continuously.

    Making your house hold power independent for 48 -96 hours is really very easy, and as you say cheap peace of mind. If we have a power outage I hardly notice it.

    Larry

  113. Eric (skeptic) says:

    Re “Are they censoring a truly historical snowfall so their brainwashed AGW devotees won’t start wondering if they have been duped?” The low snow totals at National Airport have been discussed extensively. There is certainly less at 5 feet above sea level than there was at the old measuring point in DC. Now DC is a bigger heat island but still got 20-24 inches from what I read earlier at capitalweathergang. National Airport said 17.8 inches.

    …DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA…
    AMERICAN UNIVERSITY 27.5 600 PM 2/06
    1 SW AMERICAN UNIVER 25.0 715 PM 2/06
    VIRGINIA
    …ARLINGTON COUNTY…
    1 SW BALLSTON 28.0 600 PM 2/06
    1 NNE BAILEYS CROSSR 24.1 450 PM 2/06
    1 ENE FALLS CHURCH 22.0 700 PM 2/06 AVERAGE DEPTH
    2 E BARCROFT 19.8 718 PM 2/06
    2 ESE BARCROFT 18.0 630 PM 2/06 SNOW DEPTH
    1 W ROSSLYN 18.0 400 PM 2/06
    REAGAN NATIONAL AIRP 17.8 600 PM 2/06

    On the other hand, places like Rosslyn, also down on the tidal Potomac got 18 so that lines up with National in this case.

  114. Ken S says:

    Down here east of El Paso Texas several of us spent a wonderful day hikeing around the tops of almost barren desert mountains near a canyon in which a three day extreme bike riding event is being held.

    http://www.roughriderracing.org/index.html

    On one tall hilltop are our two and only wind generating towers, not a peep out of either one durning our 8.6 mile 7.5 hour hike. Neither set of blades moved all day. Warm sunny day, short sleeve shirt weather. Wonderful feeling, enjoying the fantastic warm weather while the loones in DC get dumped on! Hope for an even larger snow storm up there, hopefully very soon. Keep them (big storms) coming!

  115. _Jim says:


    Kay (17:30:29) :

    There are around 100,000 in my area still without power.

    … No power=no heat, and it’s going down to 5 degrees F tonight. … I have power … we’re on different grids.

    Probably you mean literally “on different spokes of the power distribution system“.

    Elaborating, power is distributed from substations to nrighborhoods on more of a “hub and spoke” model (think: old wagon wheel) -

    - and “a grid” (think: lines in an infinite rectilinear x – y pattern), per se, is done more at a transmission level, between load centers (areas of population or industrial centers) and at the substation and generation level to be a little more specific, and it is done so for the ‘security’ aspect of power generation … folks in the power industry use the word ‘security’ when they actually should use the word reliability (power is there) and stability (very close to the intended 60 Hz without generation surges), but the word ‘security’ is historic so there we are …

    The larger systems are interconnected in a ‘grid’ configuration primarily to provide ‘backup’ in the case of generation going down … with a ‘grid’ configuration generation in an adjacent system can absorb the ‘loss’ of a ‘generator’ without the entire service area losing power … with large interconnection areas (a large grid) the loss of a single generator contributes only a small load increase to all the generators still connected to said grid.

    Just trying to contribute a little to the discussion going on here; not all loss of ‘power’ literally involves ‘the grid’!
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  116. Felicity B says:

    On another site someone came up with an expression “green collar workers” which perfectly describes the advocates of the AGW nonsense. :+}

  117. Felicity B says:

    Of course, we can always ‘hope to change’ that to ‘orange collar workers’…

  118. savethesharks says:

    Steve M. (11:03:47) : “Er, dude? I’m here in Manhattan and there’s been NO SNOW WHATSOEVER. There’s no snow north of here — y’know, in upstate New York, where it’s supposed to snow a lot in February? And in New England, ditto?”

    You have no idea what you are talking about….but that’s OK.

    Come Wednesday of this week it won’t matter anyways because you and NYC will be digging out.

    Apart from that…why don’t you take a few minutes to look at the near record or record snowfall years for NYC in the past 10-15 years….and maybe you will recant.

    But even if you don’t…the VERY REASON you ain’t getting snow, mate, is because the storm track has been to your SOUTH….prima facie evidence that the cold is pretty significant, and not “normal” New England winter.

    Brrrrrr. And Grrrrrrr.

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  119. savethesharks says:

    rbateman (15:03:26) :
    “Actually, shutting down Washington was Hansen’s idea a year ago in a snowstorm.”

    It was LESS than a year ago, Rob. (11 months) My, how time flies. Can’t get out of one winter without getting stuck in another one. LOL

    Chris
    Norfolk, VA, USA

  120. savethesharks says:

    _Jim (21:08:05) :

    Stop being legalistic, _Jim. Appreciate your technical analysis, but this is not a time to analyze whether the terminology is correct.

    More important is to make sure people don’t freeze to death. Geez.

    NOTE: How much we are dependent upon energy sources keep us warm! thanks for all who work to maintain and make life livable on this planet (i.e the scientists and engineers).

  121. Benjamin says:

    The _snowstorm_ has crippled Washington D.C.? Hmm… Republican snow? I’m sure someone will say so at some point.

    Anyway, I was watching this story on my local station this morning (WGN, Chicago) and as they were showing the snow pile up, some voice off camera said…

    “Where’s global warming when you need it?!”

    It wasn’t live footage, so they could’ve edited it out, but chose not to instead. There was some agreement from the reporters and anchors. Indeed… where is it?

    It’s comin’ down, from the bottom up!

  122. Louis Hissink says:

    MOD: “Reply: Already happened. A Pakistani journalist claims there is a HAARP installation near the spot in Norway the strange twirling light in the sky was seen a while ago. RT – Mod]”

    Strange twirling light seems like a description of a Birkeland current – I wonder what the aurora was doing these last few days.

  123. cba says:

    and to think – all that snow in DC is being caused by moisture that came up to texas through mexico, evidently generated from el nino weather patterns that ran further up the coast and crashed into a buncha cold arctic air coming down from the NW. Or at least that’s what it seems to be. All this moist weather here this winter on the gulf coast of tx is evidently el nino generated.

    gee ya think all that extra el nino surface warming might be generating lots of extra evaporation and h2o vapor cycle heat transfer rather than simply continuing to inject more heat energy deep in the ocean?

  124. Andrew P says:

    Steve McIntyre (12:32:54) :

    We’ve had almost no snow in Toronto this winter. IT’s cold today but the ground is bare.

    REPLY: IIRC last year was your snow year extraordinaire – Anthony

    Yes, and it is only February, wasn’t there roofs collapsing in March last year? Or was that in 2008? I know that Norway had roof collapses in 2008 – the fjordhus I had on order was delayed because of damage to the factory. Most of the low-level (below 400m) in Scotand is gone now, but more is forecast for this week.

  125. Murray says:

    Hey Brian

    “When I think of the DAMAGE and MALICIOUSNESS that “global warmers” want to (demand to) vest upon innocent people, Murray, I make NO APOLOGIES AT ALL

    and I think it is HIGH DAMN TIME for people to speak out against the green crap

    JUST LIKE THAT THERE

    People can lie down and TAKE IT or they can YELL”

    Wrong forum for that discussion, and intemperate language makes no contribution. We had the same dire predictions before the “Clean Air Act” nearly 20 years ago, and what we got was beneficial. Move to an appropriate blog.

  126. Brian G Valentine says:

    Sorry, Murray.

    Freedom of speech means, some of what you hear might not be music to your ears.

    Clean Air Act was costly, but this is a different animal today. “Clean Energy/Climate Protection” amounts to Government-sanctioned methods to force people to suffer via demolishing an economy.

    The Nation cannot have “green” technologies without a “non-green” economy that supports them, and it cannot be done by demolishing the “non-green” system.

    Before irreversible and pointless mistakes are made, I yell and holler that people will be harmed. It’s that simple.

    One strategy for you, is to ignore anything that is appended to my name. Another strategy for you is to be found in the last sentence of your missive.

    Identifying yourself completely, as I do, goes a long way to enhancing your credibility Murray.

  127. Kevin Kilty says:

    TonyB (14:04:42) :

    Chris

    … Hubert Lamb was the first director of CRU and he wrote some very good books on climate-truly there is nothing new under the sun and todays events are nothing out of the ordinary.

    As a first read I would suggest his book;

    “Climate, History and the Modern World” ISBN 0-415-12735-1

    SteveM

    You might enjoy the book I just recommended to Chris.

    Lamb was a prolific writer. The book TonyB recommended is a good one, and concise, but you might also consider a heftier tome, and one pointed toward the future. TonyB probably knows of it also…

    H.H.Lamb, Climatic History and the Future, Princeton U Press, 1977. ISBN 0-691-02387-5. Look at plate IV for an interesting visual anecdote about the far north of Canada during the Holocene Optimum, 5000 ybp.

  128. Brian G Valentine says:

    Hubert Lamb had a great influence on Tim Ball, who in turn had a great influence on me, ever since I approached this area in my work for the US DOE in 1987.

    Tim Ball in Canada, and Fred Singer in te US, remain two unsung heroes who had a great deal to do with helping to prevent North America from falling into an abyss of superstition long ago.

    Hooray for them and all of the others!

  129. Gash says:

    This is totally unfair!

    I live in Ottawa, which wrestles Moscow for the title of “winteriest” capital of the world.

    Last weekend, the cross-country ski club that I belong to hosted the Eastern Canadian championships, and we were summoned a few days before the race to shovel snow from the woods onto the bare parts of the ski trails.

    It is plenty cold enough, but we have almost no snow in the city, and just enough outside the city (UHI effect on ski trails!) to give reasonable coverage on most of the ski trails.

    We have another race coming up, and it looks like we will again be called out to man the shovels.

    Any chance of shipping some of your snow up North to Canada?

  130. Kay says:

    @ _Jim (21:08:05) :

    Kay (17:30:29) :

    There are around 100,000 in my area still without power.

    … No power=no heat, and it’s going down to 5 degrees F tonight. … I have power … we’re on different grids.

    Probably you mean literally “on different spokes of the power distribution system“.

    Thanks for the explanation. :) Whatever the reason, this happens every time we have a storm. They lose power; we don’t. One year we had a wind storm and they lost power for a week. And they just built a new substation two blocks down the road, too. (I doubt that has anything to do with it, but you’d think it would be more reliable!)

  131. jorgekafkazar says:

    tallbloke (11:08:08) : “…Warm air over the warm ocean in El Nino. More evaporation. Warm wet air meets cold continental air –> Mucho snow. Nothing to do with global warming, just weather.”

    Yes, but if the “cold” in the continental air (∆H1) is just equal in BTUs to the “warm” in the air off the ocean (∆H1), you’d have a net balance:

    ocean water + ∆H1 → vapor
    vapor – ∆H1 → rain.

    To make snow, on the other hand requires extra “cold” BTUs.

    vapor – ∆H2 → snow
    ∆H2 > ∆H1

    Looking at just the El Nino vapor, and assuming that everything else is in balance, how can you have global warming and extra cooling at the same time? Impossible.

    Anyone out there who believes global warming causes more cold? If so, I have a bridge I’d like to sell you.

  132. Tronic says:

    I left my bicycle outside over the weekend and had to dig it up from the snow afterwards: http://zi.fi/photo/fillari.jpg

    This is in Southern Finland (Espoo). More snow has been pouring almost every day and today I once again need to take a shovel with me to access the bike.

  133. Phil Jourdan says:

    RFK Jr. – 2008 “Snow is so scarce today that most Virginia children probably don’t own a sled.”

    Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/RFK-79834057.html#ixzz0ez5WFvME

  134. Gail Combs says:

    vukcevic (11:48:18) :

    It should not be forgotten that the Washington DC’s population is not just politicians. Few years ago, when I was there, I saw many ‘down and outs’, I think more than I encountered in any other major US city I visited. It is those we should be concerned for.

    Yes and as rbateman (11:15:41) : asked

    “What’s the President doing in all of this?

    The blizzard did not keep President Obama from traveling a few blocks through deserted streets in a motorcade of sport utility vehicles from the White House to a nearby hotel to speak at the Democratic National Committee’s winter meeting.

    In his opening remarks, Obama thanked the activists for being willing to brave the blizzard…”

    Obama would make a better “show” by expressing concern for those caught without housing in this blizzard. I wonder what the death toll will be and whether any of the journalists will bother to report it. Since it will reflect badly on the current administration, I can see the stats being “homogenized” and swept under the rug.

    The possibility of families caught with out housing is very real. Many are people who have no idea of how to “work the system” or are to proud to ask for help.

    In September, U.S. foreclosure filings rose 29.2 percent. In the third quarter, foreclosure filings were up nearly 22.5 percent from 2008 and 2008 was already heading into the recession. One in every 136 U.S. households faced possible foreclosure and 16,687 borrowers in Virginia were struggling to make mortgage payments during the third quarter of 2009.
    http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/business/local/article/B-FORE15_20091014-220205/299406/

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